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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 06:54:00 -
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Edited by: ****take on 20/05/2006 07:03:04
Over the last 1+ months, representatives of corporations which would eventually form "Process of Elimination" alliance (or POE for short) have been in talks with northern entities such as D2D, Razor, and NFC regarding our inten t to return to what most of us consider our home in the north, Venal. While our diplomats were working on negotiations with all 3 of these northern entities, our forces preemptively set D2D, RAZOR, and NFC to positive and began camping Tribute and Vale of the Silent regions killing their enemies as a coutesy - for who we had hoped would become our friends in the north, interested in a common goal - a stable north.
After some talking, RAZOR and NFC understood we held the same values as they did, considered their enemies as our enemies, and standings were set appropriately and everything has been fine. We are on the same page when it comes to who are the "bad guys".
Originally D2D diplos told our diplos that D2D would not shoot us in Venal and we could move in. But apparently that order was not successfully communicated to their troops OR their troops have just ignored this order altogether.
Our pilots have been fired upon by the D2D member corps FATE and Euphoria Released continually. At first we did not fire back as we were attempting to get the D2D standings talks finished up - but the talks have stalled because we're not sure who is actualy in charge of D2D anymore and we cannot sit by and be shot at without protecting ourselves. So at this point POE has set FATE and E-R to -10.
I bring this to the public forums because we are not sure who really is in charge of D2D, and can work with us to get this problem figured out. We are for a stable north, and we've moved to Venal beacuse it is our home and we intend to stay. We would like to work with your PvP forces to shoot common "bad guys" but FATE and E-R are making that a little difficult.
Would someone in D2D's able to make decisions at an alliance level either contact ****take, Kalantis, or Mephistos regarding this please?
Thanks in advance for your help,
****take
CEO RONA Deepspace
POE Alliance Diplomat
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Back Story and Recent Events:
D2D alliance leaders should also be aware that there is some bad blood between Euphoria Released and OCC regarding some history back in the NBSI days. At that time I was in OCC, and my CEO Gafton basicaly blamed me for E-R leaving NBSI because I brought up a silly thing called "game mechanics" when it came to holding space which apprently caused Cartiff to bust a neuron and pull E-R from NBSI (probably because I used terms like Sovereignty and POS in the same sentence without making some kind of laser beam sound with my mouth and holding up a shiny thing to get his attention). Whether this is true or not who knows. There's no question that Cartiff as his gang might be good at shooting red boxes BUT if you talk to them about other aspects of the game they get angry and run away because they do not have the patience to sit and listen - and work with folks who would take care of those scary thigns called sovereignty and POSes.
Don't let the bad blood of a "shooty shooty" corp in your midst prevent you from normalizing relations with a neighboring alliance who holds the same values and has the same enemies as you. We have PvP and industrial forces available for greater northern regional stability operations and would like to be cooperative neighbors - but if not, who knows exactly how things will degrade. If we continue to be attacked then we will attack back, and it may not be against just FATE and E-R.
Also, last night, a gang from one of D2D's premier PvP corps called FATE was destroyed by POE's biggest carebear corp called RONA Deepspace, who held the battlefield in the end. RONA Deepspace consists of mostly noobs when it comes to PvP and I am perhaps their biggest carebear and my fighter/hauler character got 3 FATE killmails. Draw your own conclusions.
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Hyllekjeks
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Posted - 2006.05.20 06:57:00 -
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fight with us instead, d2 are newbs 
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 06:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Hyllekjeks
fight with us instead, d2 are newbs
Well we did, but we fly through Tribute and everyone is docked. I'm thinking you guys have more of a euro timezone presence.
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Gissa
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:05:00 -
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I guess e-r has a problem with backstabbers
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:06:00 -
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Edited by: ****take on 20/05/2006 07:06:53
Originally by: Gissa
I guess e-r has a problem with backstabbers
So E-R leaves NBSI and we are the backstabbers? Care to explain this?
Oh wait, you're an alt who doesn't have the stones to post with your main I guess - nevermind
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Dracolich
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:10:00 -
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I know its not my place to say anything.
As much as I understand your frustration. Parlaying and smacking in the same sentence is generally not a good idea for a diplomat. Has it gone beyond the parlay?
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: ****take on 20/05/2006 07:17:00
Originally by: Dracolich
I know its not my place to say anything.
As much as I understand your frustration. Parlaying and smacking in the same sentence is generally not a good idea for a diplomat. Has it gone beyond the parlay?
Very good question.
Diplomacy is a tricky business, and there's no question I am probably not the BEST diplomat in this game. We've attempted to get a hold of those in charge in D2D who can actually effect a change in these standings yet it appears that vocal yet newcommer elements within their alliance are attempting to hijack these standings changes due to some kind of vendetta. My alliance mates for the most part have lived in the Venal/Tenal/Branch regions for most of their Eve lives and would like very much to get along with D2D.
I only tell it as it is. I refuse to waste the time of others by mincing words so much as to sound like a eunek - so I don't.
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Nahual
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:17:00 -
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just what we _needed_ north was another alliance 
Your comments ask for a -10. Maybe you should rethink what you say.
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Dave Tehsulei
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:17:00 -
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Another mighty alliance moves into the npc stations of venal
how exactly are you going to help create a more stable north running guristas lvl 4 agent missions
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei
Another mighty alliance moves into the npc stations of venal
how exactly are you going to help create a more stable north running guristas lvl 4 agent missions
Well we have resources which would greatly help northern stability. I would be glad to discuss these resources with your diplomats, but not with you.
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Phonix
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:24:00 -
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Do we really wanna compare kills or losses? Afaik E-R dont like you. I dont like you. Hence why we kill you. I've also had many coverstations with your "Directors" weve told you many times that we will shoot you. You where never +10 with d2 or Fate. Thats why we have killed you and continue to do so.
Btw for your so called carebear corps beating us in ONE fight. Props to ya. Although according to the killboard it seemed pretty even..
CEO of Fate
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nahual
just what we _needed_ north was another alliance
Your comments ask for a -10. Maybe you should rethink what you say.
Which comment? The one where your guy killed a hauler and then we mobilized forces and destroyed your gang who came to help out your members who were camped in? That comment?
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kbullet
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:26:00 -
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let see we had 5/6 u had bout 18, we jumped in your camp with long range BS, so forum warrior and whining FTL
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Phonix
Do we really wanna compare kills or losses? Afaik E-R dont like you. I dont like you. Hence why we kill you. I've also had many coverstations with your "Directors" weve told you many times that we will shoot you. You where never +10 with d2 or Fate. Thats why we have killed you and continue to do so.
Btw for your so called carebear corps beating us in ONE fight. Props to ya. Although according to the killboard it seemed pretty even..
Is it even when a PvP corps starts a fight by killing a hauler and then those carebears rise up and kill a premeir PvP corp's gang and ISK losses are similar?
This is a draw?
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: kbullet
let see we had 5/6 u had bout 18, we jumped in your camp with long range BS, so forum warrior and whining FTL
There were 18 in local and there were 8 in the gang at the gate.
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:30:00 -
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Could someone from FATE help me understand why you do not like us? Is there somethign I missed - an event form the past, something?
I ask this because I have no clue why.
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Phonix
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:30:00 -
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I dont care about the fight tbh. I've already taken care of that. The fact that you come to the forums with this stuff and expect good standings now is comedy. Please re-think your actions, goodluck hiding in NPC stations.
Your next
CEO of Fate
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: ****take on 20/05/2006 07:33:47
Originally by: Phonix
I dont care about the fight tbh. I've already taken care of that. The fact that you come to the forums with this stuff and expect good standings now is comedy. Please re-think your actions, goodluck hiding in NPC stations.
Your next
I came to forums with this "stuff" because we've been trying for ages to figure out who can actually speak for D2D and work things out. Believe me, I do not like authoring posts in this forum unless I feel that I must.
Oh and the "your next" thing does not impress me.
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Razor Jaxx
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: ****take
Originally D2D diplos told our diplos that D2D would not shoot us in Venal and we could move in. But apparently that order was not successfully communicated to their troops OR their troops have just ignored this order altogether.
Our pilots have been fired upon by the D2D member corps FATE and Euphoria Released continually. At first we did not fire back as we were attempting to get the D2D standings talks finished up - but the talks have stalled because we're not sure who is actualy in charge of D2D anymore and we cannot sit by and be shot at without protecting ourselves. So at this point POE has set FATE and E-R to -10.
First of all, the chain of command within D¦ is perfectly functional, and all the alliance members honor the alliance standings. If your put yourself at risk by presuming something, don't come here and blame someone else for it. If you were shot, then I can guarantee you that you were not +ve / blue.
Secondly, you admit of your awareness that talks have stalled. In other words, they led nowhere? In other words, you are presently NOT set to blue. Trying to create a rift within the alliance (good luck with that one) will definitely NOT help your cause, I can guarantee you that much.
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I bring this to the public forums because we are not sure who really is in charge of D2D, and can work with us to get this problem figured out. We are for a stable north, and we've moved to Venal beacuse it is our home and we intend to stay. We would like to work with your PvP forces to shoot common "bad guys" but FATE and E-R are making that a little difficult.
We are for a stable north also. So far "your" north has never been stable - why would it change now? Your approach is by all means opportunistic, although not really surprising.
The above does not represent the views of the D¦ alliance as a whole, merely myselves and those of Fate corporation, although I'm quite confident we will receive the full support of our brethren.
Thank you.
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kbullet
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: kbullet on 20/05/2006 07:36:36
let see u had temp,scorp,apoc,mega
rapier, nighthawk, 2x eris, thorax, rupture, caracal
2-3 t1 frigs
we had 2 geddons, falcon, 2 inty and a cov op
p.s. only 4 ppl on ts channel so u were fighting 4 of us
i admit we did screw up abit but yeah going on forums and whine about it wont get u + standings anywhere
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: ****take on 20/05/2006 07:42:06
Originally by: kbullet
. . but yeah going on forums and whine about it wont get u + standings anywhere
My original post was not a whine. Learn how to read and comprehend. I wanted to get the attention of the people in D2D who actually make the decisions, not the frontline troops.
No question we had more ships in that battle, perhaps some more warped in while it was happeneing. But I am not some kinda PvP god, never claimed to be, neither is my corp. But we werent the ones dropping the T2 Tachyons and all the really expensive mods - most of our carebears were in T1 stuff with the exception of a few ships.
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Razor Jaxx
Secondly, you admit of your awareness that talks have stalled. In other words, they led nowhere? In other words, you are presently NOT set to blue. Trying to create a rift within the alliance (good luck with that one) will definitely NOT help your cause, I can guarantee you that much.
I am in no way attempting to cause a rift. My original post was to get the attnetion of folks in D2D to perhaps contact me or others to get thigns worked out. We have been trying to do so for a while, and at one point we were told that we would not be shot at in Venal, which is why we started our move into the region where we could setup camp and then finalize things with you guys.
I provided the backstory in my original post so that those in D2D could understand the complexity of some of the past relationships that we have had and how it may perhaps influence things within your alliance.
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Purgatori
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:54:00 -
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EVE Mail ftw
Doesnt need to be on forums ?
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Purgatori
EVE Mail ftw
Doesnt need to be on forums ?
Been there, done that. It has not worked.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.20 08:14:00 -
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lol @ d2...
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Shirei
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Posted - 2006.05.20 08:30:00 -
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So does this post mean: 'We are abandoning diplomatics and want to shoot you'? At least that's how I would interpret it. 
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shirei
So does this post mean: 'We are abandoning diplomatics and want to shoot you'? At least that's how I would interpret it.
Not at all. We would like nothing more than to get this standings thing situated ASAP. We have common goals!!!
But when industrial pilots are attacked by PvPers from D2D while our PvPers work to protect the supply lines in Tribute for ALL the northenn alliances who use Tribute as a corrider, including D2D, you can understand the frunstration levels.
That's why I started this post. TO get the attention of those D2D leaders who can remedy the situation.
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Crean NaVar
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Posted - 2006.05.20 08:59:00 -
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Ever heard of a guy called OrcA?
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:07:00 -
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****take.... we have been in contact with d2's leaders, and have been working on getting things fixed, for the love of god, talk to the rest of the alliance leadership before posting something.
Our alliance knows that we are currently being shot at by D2, although certain elements of it are unclear (prior talks made it sound as if we would not be engaged in Venal or Empire).
Either way, ****take does not speak for our alliance atm, and if this thread can be locked that would be most appreciated.
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maria stallion
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:17:00 -
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/me wonders why OCC and there alliance want to nap an alliance like d2 who turnend on them before and not showing now any will to nap them.
even if they nap you know this nap will not hold on long from the looks of it.
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Phonix
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mephistos
****take.... we have been in contact with d2's leaders, and have been working on getting things fixed, for the love of god, talk to the rest of the alliance leadership before posting something.
Our alliance knows that we are currently being shot at by D2, although certain elements of it are unclear (prior talks made it sound as if we would not be engaged in Venal or Empire).
Either way, ****take does not speak for our alliance atm, and if this thread can be locked that would be most appreciated.
CEO of Fate
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:26:00 -
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Phonix, was that a question, or... ? :p
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:36:00 -
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What Mephistos said.
I was contacted by about 10 OCC guys (mostly via EVE-Mail) several times regarding our standing towards you. PoE were informed clearly by me that they are 0,0 - means shooty shooty in war regions and our homezones.
Its quite simple.
Background:
- There is several bad blood between OCC and D2 corps. Ofc i'd rather care about the opinions of my alliance member corps than that of a newish created entity.
- We dont want a 4th or 5th PA up here. Venal is fully full. Also, tbh. im personally tired of ex-PA corps wanting to come back after we secured most of the north while they failed at doing so in the past.
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Naphtalia
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Also, tbh. im personally tired of ex-PA corps wanting to come back after we secured most of the north while they failed at doing so in the past.
respect.
I guess if you want to be in the north and not have to secure it yourself you *JOIN* D2 like other corps that haven't shot posses or put up posses (like FATE.) and then follow D2 rules.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Naphtalia
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Also, tbh. im personally tired of ex-PA corps wanting to come back after we secured most of the north while they failed at doing so in the past.
respect.
I guess if you want to be in the north and not have to secure it yourself you *JOIN* D2 like other corps that haven't shot posses or put up posses (like FATE.) and then follow D2 rules.
dude, Fate did indeed put up posses 
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:52:00 -
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Quote:
- We dont want a 4th or 5th PA up here. Venal is fully full. Also, tbh. im personally tired of ex-PA corps wanting to come back after we secured most of the north while they failed at doing so in the past.
Considering we were holding an area against a number of hostile alliances (FE, 5, KAOS, Dominion, RISK, SMASH and various mercenaries) for quite some time, a feat that I doubt G/IRON or D2 would manage if faced with the same odds; usually in excess of 10:1 during primetime. I think you can admit that as a corp and small alliance we held quite well. Thankfully you were able to come in after all the major threats (ATUK) had left the area in order to "secure it".
Since D2 is not interested in a diplomatic resolution, mostly in thanks to Cartiff's bitterness over the fact that he was unsuited to run a 0.0 alliance, and whatever issues FATE may have. You know what, doesn't matter in the least. Because there is nothing that can be done preventing our use of 0.0 space.
In essence, though my alliance mates would prefer a peaceful resolution, I can say that I will not be dictated to by the remnants of G/IRON with a little Unicor and ex-Xetic.
To RAZOR, much respect for maintaining our old bonds of friendship. I do not wish to see you dragged into the middle of this fight, however, I will understand if you need to set us negative to make D2 happy. We will not fire upon you until you fire on us.
Anyway, I think you said it best as you stood back and watched until there was no one left to fight you. Let the North burn.
Yarrrr! 
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Nahual
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Naphtalia
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Also, tbh. im personally tired of ex-PA corps wanting to come back after we secured most of the north while they failed at doing so in the past.
respect.
I guess if you want to be in the north and not have to secure it yourself you *JOIN* D2 like other corps that haven't shot posses or put up posses (like FATE.) and then follow D2 rules.
Wow, glad you're so informed
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Esaam DeVries
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Esaam DeVries on 20/05/2006 10:04:16
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Mollari Cotto
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus
Quote:
- We dont want a 4th or 5th PA up here. Venal is fully full. Also, tbh. im personally tired of ex-PA corps wanting to come back after we secured most of the north while they failed at doing so in the past.
Considering we were holding an area against a number of hostile alliances (FE, 5, KAOS, Dominion, RISK, SMASH and various mercenaries) for quite some time, a feat that I doubt G/IRON or D2 would manage if faced with the same odds; usually in excess of 10:1 during primetime. I think you can admit that as a corp and small alliance we held quite well. Thankfully you were able to come in after all the major threats (ATUK) had left the area in order to "secure it".
Since D2 is not interested in a diplomatic resolution, mostly in thanks to Cartiff's bitterness over the fact that he was unsuited to run a 0.0 alliance, and whatever issues FATE may have. You know what, doesn't matter in the least. Because there is nothing that can be done preventing our use of 0.0 space.
In essence, though my alliance mates would prefer a peaceful resolution, I can say that I will not be dictated to by the remnants of G/IRON with a little Unicor and ex-Xetic.
To RAZOR, much respect for maintaining our old bonds of friendship. I do not wish to see you dragged into the middle of this fight, however, I will understand if you need to set us negative to make D2 happy. We will not fire upon you until you fire on us.
Anyway, I think you said it best as you stood back and watched until there was no one left to fight you. Let the North burn.
Yarrrr!
Hmm. . . Quite!
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:07:00 -
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] Originally by: Mortuus
Quote:
- We dont want a 4th or 5th PA up here. Venal is fully full. Also, tbh. im personally tired of ex-PA corps wanting to come back after we secured most of the north while they failed at doing so in the past.
Considering we were holding an area against a number of hostile alliances (FE, 5, KAOS, Dominion, RISK, SMASH and various mercenaries) for quite some time, a feat that I doubt G/IRON or D2 would manage if faced with the same odds; usually in excess of 10:1 during primetime. I think you can admit that as a corp and small alliance we held quite well. Thankfully you were able to come in after all the major threats (ATUK) had left the area in order to "secure it".
Since D2 is not interested in a diplomatic resolution, mostly in thanks to Cartiff's bitterness over the fact that he was unsuited to run a 0.0 alliance, and whatever issues FATE may have. You know what, doesn't matter in the least. Because there is nothing that can be done preventing our use of 0.0 space.
In essence, though my alliance mates would prefer a peaceful resolution, I can say that I will not be dictated to by the remnants of G/IRON with a little Unicor and ex-Xetic.
To RAZOR, much respect for maintaining our old bonds of friendship. I do not wish to see you dragged into the middle of this fight, however, I will understand if you need to set us negative to make D2 happy. We will not fire upon you until you fire on us.
Anyway, I think you said it best as you stood back and watched until there was no one left to fight you. Let the North burn.
Yarrrr!
Ok E-R normally dont post on the forum but that slandering have got to stop right now punk..
Cartiff was a better leader then you could ever dream off so if you wanna blame some1 blame me because persoanlly I dont like you or OCC and ill do everything i can to stop you corp to ever get into 0.0 space again
OCC was one of the main reason E-R left NBSI becuase all there fricking miners recuested that E-R pilots would come and protect them while they could make isk in the middle of a giant war. Was a complet insult to all the brave pilots who fought and died
Yuo are a pathetic corp and you are just a bunch of leechers..
And becuase you keep slandering cart E-R and OCC gonna have a seriuos discussion soon..
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Nefariouz
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:09:00 -
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you're going to rush us with rifters lunas?
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Mortuus on 20/05/2006 10:11:17
To the BoB pilot.
I would prefer not to ally with D2. As they contain the cowards and backstabbers in E-R who abandoned what is it now, 3 alliances? After wars they start no less.
FATE, well I know you don't like us from GNW days Phonix, something about Unicor disappearing.
Anyway. Screw politics. Lets get down to killing D2.
Yarhar!
Lunas, are you really so simple minded that you can't see that you need the miners to maintain teh PoS's that allowed YOU to NPC and have a place to come sit between the fights you started? You mean that? Guess what, outside of what you and Cart may believe, infrastructure is needed to maintain any sort of hold in 0.0, something your corp couldn't do by iteself no matter how hard you try.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 20/05/2006 10:11:37
I really don't think that this forum diplomacy is doing you guys any good... seriously.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:13:00 -
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Shirei, I don't think I mind that one bit =)
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus
Edited by: Mortuus on 20/05/2006 10:11:17
To the BoB pilot.
I would prefer not to ally with D2. As they contain the cowards and backstabbers in E-R who abandoned what is it now, 3 alliances? After wars they start no less.
FATE, well I know you don't like us from GNW days Phonix, something about Unicor disappearing.
Anyway. Screw politics. Lets get down to killing D2.
Yarhar!
lol. Terrible. Simply terrible.
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Cyleth
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus
To RAZOR, much respect for maintaining our old bonds of friendship. I do not wish to see you dragged into the middle of this fight, however, I will understand if you need to set us negative to make D2 happy. We will not fire upon you until you fire on us.
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus
Edited by: Mortuus on 20/05/2006 10:11:17
To the BoB pilot.
I would prefer not to ally with D2. As they contain the cowards and backstabbers in E-R who abandoned what is it now, 3 alliances? After wars they start no less.
FATE, well I know you don't like us from GNW days Phonix, something about Unicor disappearing.
Anyway. Screw politics. Lets get down to killing D2.
Yarhar!
If you are planning on attacking D2, you are attacking Razor and IRON as well, and we'll undoubtably come to the aid of our allies in D2 (not that they would need our help against PoE  ).
And UNICOR didn't disappear, it merged with CoD to form NSA. Phonix wasn't a part of Cod/UNICOR/NSA as far as I recall.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
- We dont want a 4th or 5th PA up here. Venal is fully full. Also, tbh. im personally tired of ex-PA corps wanting to come back after we secured most of the north while they failed at doing so in the past.
good call. learning from the past 4tw.
<@II><
Worker bees can leave
Even drones can fly away
The queen is their slave |
Naphtalia
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:58:00 -
[49]
NBSI > booohooo D2 are attacking people we had to run away from.. lets suck up and ask for 'our' region for free, and then act in grandeur about killing them all.
Dude D2 has a LOT of allies they can form up 250man fleet consisting of only capitals and battleships in 12hours notice. D2 and their pets RZR and the new bandwaggoneers IRON/DREAD and newfound allies MIHI are really big have had a lot of time to build ships and live near eachother..
I fear for BoB :P
I suggest NBSI hires new diplomats though ... need better sucking up :P
EMFI General IPO is LIVE! |
Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.05.20 11:03:00 -
[50]
A couple pointst to bring up Naph:
1) We are not NBSI, NBSI is a different entity (although I'm not sure what corps they consist of nowadays)
2) Mort's not a diplomat :p
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Shimpu
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Posted - 2006.05.20 11:33:00 -
[51]
Originally by: maria stallion
/me wonders why OCC and there alliance want to nap an alliance like d2 who turnend on them before and not showing now any will to nap them.
even if they nap you know this nap will not hold on long from the looks of it.
lol @ BoB
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.05.20 11:38:00 -
[52]
Edited by: pershphanie on 20/05/2006 11:43:37
Originally by: Mephistos
A couple pointst to bring up Naph:
1) We are not NBSI, NBSI is a different entity (although I'm not sure what corps they consist of nowadays)
2) Mort's not a diplomat :p
You will always be nbsi in our minds. Just like E-R will always be the Vale Alliance. Sticking feathers up your ass does not make you a chicken. You cant just change your name and expect ppl to believe you are some how different than OCC was for the last 3 years.
<@II><
Worker bees can leave
Even drones can fly away
The queen is their slave |
General Hansen
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Posted - 2006.05.20 11:40:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Shimpu
Originally by: maria stallion
/me wonders why OCC and there alliance want to nap an alliance like d2 who turnend on them before and not showing now any will to nap them.
even if they nap you know this nap will not hold on long from the looks of it.
lol @ BoB
lol@u
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.05.20 11:51:00 -
[54]
Hehe, and Persh, last time you said that we always going to be PA :)
I'm not saying we are different, I'm trying to correct the alliance name as NBSI still exists and we have been seperate from it for a while now.
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fire 59
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Posted - 2006.05.20 11:57:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Shimpu
Originally by: maria stallion
/me wonders why OCC and there alliance want to nap an alliance like d2 who turnend on them before and not showing now any will to nap them.
even if they nap you know this nap will not hold on long from the looks of it.
lol @ BoB
Muppet
Iron and G eat babie's , my views are my own, they do not refect my corp or my alliance |
pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.05.20 12:03:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Mephistos
Hehe, and Persh, last time you said that we always going to be PA :)
Ok fine. OCC = Pa/Nsi
<@II><
Worker bees can leave
Even drones can fly away
The queen is their slave |
Shawn McWayne
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Posted - 2006.05.20 12:54:00 -
[57]
@ persh, winning team joiner =)
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Truth Serum
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Posted - 2006.05.20 13:34:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Shimpu
Originally by: maria stallion
/me wonders why OCC and there alliance want to nap an alliance like d2 who turnend on them before and not showing now any will to nap them.
even if they nap you know this nap will not hold on long from the looks of it.
lol @ BoB
I seem to remember atuk alone wiping the floor with the whole north.
You add a lot of carebears and now talk tough. And one wonders why the same people in the north keep faling.
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2006.05.20 13:44:00 -
[59]
Originally by: pershphanie
Sticking feathers up your ass does not make you a chicken. You cant just change your name and expect ppl to believe you are some how different than OCC was for the last 3 years.
fowlplaychicken would disagree i think!
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Daxes
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Posted - 2006.05.20 13:45:00 -
[60]
actualy 5(atuk)/F-E were losing the war in tribute vs G/Iron when BoB invaded EC and then they all decided to disband so how did they wipe the floor with us?
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Truth Serum
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Posted - 2006.05.20 13:57:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Daxes
actualy 5(atuk)/F-E were losing the war in tribute vs G/Iron when BoB invaded EC and then they all decided to disband so how did they wipe the floor with us?
step away from the ***** pipe dood
You guys couldnt even kill a pos if I heard right in tribute. Youy lost a dread trying though...
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Torquemanda Corteaz
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Posted - 2006.05.20 13:59:00 -
[62]
this thread is fiery enough without more people adding petrol to it
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Daxes
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Posted - 2006.05.20 14:18:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Daxes on 20/05/2006 14:23:58
Originally by: Truth Serum
Originally by: Daxes
actualy 5(atuk)/F-E were losing the war in tribute vs G/Iron when BoB invaded EC and then they all decided to disband so how did they wipe the floor with us?
step away from the ***** pipe dood
You guys couldnt even kill a pos if I heard right in tribute. Youy lost a dread trying though...
clueless alts ftw?
We killed poses, not to mention that we won like 90% of all fleet fights.
Tribute would have fallen into our hands sooner or later (well its now ours anyways so...).
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Quarantine
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Posted - 2006.05.20 14:19:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Daxes
We killed poses and there was never a dread lost against f-e/5 (in our whole history we only lost 1 dread so far against bob)
We lost a Moros to atuk in d7- :)
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.05.20 14:21:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Nafri on 20/05/2006 14:22:03
Originally by: Quarantine
Originally by: Daxes
We killed poses and there was never a dread lost against f-e/5 (in our whole history we only lost 1 dread so far against bob)
We lost a Moros to atuk in d7- :)
He was busy spamming the alliance chat with me back then 
Anyway, we killed some POSes back then in d7 ZAC and hold the system for 70% of the time.
Summertime - Campingtime!
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Daxes
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Posted - 2006.05.20 14:24:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Daxes on 20/05/2006 14:24:54
Originally by: Quarantine
Originally by: Daxes
We killed poses and there was never a dread lost against f-e/5 (in our whole history we only lost 1 dread so far against bob)
We lost a Moros to atuk in d7- :)
ah ya sry totaly forgot about that one lol! corrected it but point remains saying that atuk wiped our asses is simply a bad flame bait.
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.20 14:54:00 -
[67]
Edited by: ****take on 20/05/2006 14:59:54
Oh my. I wake up and my computer was in fire!
Mortuus is a nice guy but is NOT a diplomat for POE. His commments are not the position of the alliance.
The whole point of this post was to hopefully get the attention of D2D diplomats and leaders who were unaware of this issue. I think that might have been accomplished.
Thanks to those of you who provided constructive replies, like Cmd Woodlouse.
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Sextus Licinius
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:12:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Daxes
actualy 5(atuk)/F-E were losing the war in tribute vs G/Iron when BoB invaded EC and then they all decided to disband so how did they wipe the floor with us?
Originally by: Daxes
actualy 5(atuk)/F-E were losing the war in tribute vs G/Iron when BoB invaded EC and then they all decided to disband so how did they wipe the floor with us?
lol some things will never change, still the same "smart" comments even if GIRON is dead, the spirit lives on. He said and i quote "I seem to remember atuk alone wiping the floor with the whole north" - he meant FE/PA/NBSI and this is true.
GIRON died so someone wiped the floor with them, maybe BoB, maybe FE/5 how about alltogether?
Another thing is that no one wiped the floor with ATUK or FE, they just disbanded.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" |
Crellion
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:14:00 -
[69]
Originally by: ****take
Edited by: ****take on 20/05/2006 14:59:54
Oh my. I wake up and my computer was in fire!
Mortuus is a nice guy but is NOT a diplomat for POE. His commments are not the position of the alliance.
The whole point of this post was to hopefully get the attention of D2D diplomats and leaders who were unaware of this issue. I think that might have been accomplished.
Thanks to those of you who provided constructive replies, like Cmd Woodlouse.
I think what you say about his comments was said about your comments in a post earlier This is reallly interesting 
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MacDuncan
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:16:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
GIRON died so someone wiped the floor with them, maybe BoB, maybe FE/5 how about alltogether?
Another thing is that no one wiped the floor with ATUK or FE, they just disbanded.
Oh...dam'n....why didn't nobdy told me, that we actually died...
Silly comparission, rly...
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Daxes
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:20:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
lol some things will never change, still the same "smart" comments even if GIRON is dead, the spirit lives on. He said and i quote "I seem to remember atuk alone wiping the floor with the whole north" - he meant FE/PA/NBSI and this is true.
GIRON died so someone wiped the floor with them, maybe BoB, maybe FE/5 how about alltogether?
Another thing is that no one wiped the floor with ATUK or FE, they just disbanded.
since when is the whole north = Pa/nbsi/f-e?
If anything was worth being called "North" then G/Iron.
And that G/Iron "died" (we didnt die we restructured into a new thing) has hardly anything to do with BoB or even F-E/5.
Noone wiped the floor with ATUK/F-E?
Well guess u should have followed the killboards when we were fighting, the results were kinda obvious.
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liquidism
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:24:00 -
[72]
open-mic-night is over. move on plz.
if you got any more questions read woody's post again. kthx
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shimmyckus
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:30:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Daxes
since when is the whole north = Pa/nbsi/f-e?
If anything was worth being called "North" then G/Iron.
And that G/Iron "died" (we didnt die we restructured into a new thing) has hardly anything to do with BoB or even F-E/5.
Noone wiped the floor with ATUK/F-E?
Well guess u should have followed the killboards when we were fighting, the results were kinda obvious.
dude pls stop crying. we all know what happend with g/iron/atuk/f-e so no need tell us your version. tnx.
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Sextus Licinius
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:32:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Daxes
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
lol some things will never change, still the same "smart" comments even if GIRON is dead, the spirit lives on. He said and i quote "I seem to remember atuk alone wiping the floor with the whole north" - he meant FE/PA/NBSI and this is true.
GIRON died so someone wiped the floor with them, maybe BoB, maybe FE/5 how about alltogether?
Another thing is that no one wiped the floor with ATUK or FE, they just disbanded.
since when is the whole north = Pa/nbsi/f-e?
If anything was worth being called "North" then G/Iron.
And that G/Iron "died" (we didnt die we restructured into a new thing) has hardly anything to do with BoB or even F-E/5.
Noone wiped the floor with ATUK/F-E?
Well guess u should have followed the killboards when we were fighting, the results were kinda obvious.
G were west, it really feels west when i look at the map ;). Restuctured meaning some ex-pirates, ex-nbsi and trust carebears joined? The fact that u had more kills against FE/5 mean you wiped the floor with em?  , but please continue posting these things. I can't hurt some people more than they hurt themselves with their own mouths.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" |
Daxes
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:40:00 -
[75]
I didnt start this discussion but its somewhat irritating to see atuk/5 ppl posting here like they owned everyone just to see all those ppl now totaly gone from here and being in totaly different alliances which is kinda "funny".
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:43:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Daxes
I didnt start this discussion but its somewhat irritating to see atuk/5 ppl posting here like they owned everyone just to see all those ppl now totaly gone from here and being in totaly different alliances which is kinda "funny".
thats the forums
Summertime - Campingtime!
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:58:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
GIRON died so someone wiped the floor with them, maybe BoB, maybe FE/5 how about alltogether?
1. Iron is still alive
2. G merged with Trust and E-R/Fate and created another alliance (name sucks though ;-))
3. Both Atuk and 5 disbanded
So?
Tbh those points are mood as all events mentioned above had nothing to do with combat or being beaten by anyone.
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Body Count
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Posted - 2006.05.20 16:01:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Naphtalia
NBSI > booohooo D2 are attacking people we had to run away from.. lets suck up and ask for 'our' region for free, and then act in grandeur about killing them all.
I suggest NBSI hires new diplomats though ... need better sucking up :P
OCC is not NBSI. They were part of NBSI and a large one at one point,. But they weren't one of the original corps or even the heart of NBSI. POE is a diffrent entity entirely. All of the NBSI founding corps are ALREADY members of D2.
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Sextus Licinius
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Posted - 2006.05.20 16:02:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Daxes
I didnt start this discussion but its somewhat irritating to see atuk/5 ppl posting here like they owned everyone just to see all those ppl now totaly gone from here and being in totaly different alliances which is kinda "funny".
Lol what? Are you ex Giron? Am I ex The Five?
-There you have it; a discution among dead ppl, a "restructured" and a "disbanded".
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" |
Planket
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Posted - 2006.05.20 16:09:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
Originally by: Daxes
I didnt start this discussion but its somewhat irritating to see atuk/5 ppl posting here like they owned everyone just to see all those ppl now totaly gone from here and being in totaly different alliances which is kinda "funny".
Lol what? Are you ex Giron? Am I ex The Five?
-There you have it; a discution among dead ppl, a "restructured" and a "disbanded".
hi mom, i see dead poeple
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ChingChong Stoner
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Posted - 2006.05.20 16:27:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Mephistos
****take.... we have been in contact with d2's leaders, and have been working on getting things fixed, for the love of god, talk to the rest of the alliance leadership before posting something.
Our alliance knows that we are currently being shot at by D2, although certain elements of it are unclear (prior talks made it sound as if we would not be engaged in Venal or Empire).
Either way, ****take does not speak for our alliance atm, and if this thread can be locked that would be most appreciated.
This is one funny thread! Shattake is diplomat who starts thread wanting talks with D2. After a few responses, he is smacking like bored gate camper. Even arguing kills and gloating about 1 small victory! then his own alliance comes in to *****slaps him in public telling him to STFU.
Shattake = Orc A or stoneyvision?
Now hes back in thread like he just woke up and pretending things are ok!
funny funny funny
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.05.20 17:06:00 -
[82]
/me takes notes on how to conduct diplomacy.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.05.20 18:25:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Mortuus on 20/05/2006 18:30:07
I don't think I ever claimed to be a diplomat. And ****take is not one either. I don't know why he's asking people to contact him.
Me, I just think we should remove that whole diplomat part and just shoot people.
And Persh, we both know we were kickin your rear all over space till we had to deal with ATUK and KAOS as well. Hell, even KAOS wouldn't have been bad had other corps in NBSI not forgotten to fuel their PoS's...I mean really...who forgets to fuel the 2 PoS's they are responsible for...
Any, simply. FE were fodder, KAOS put up some good fights, and in the end, it came down to numbers with ATUK throwing its weight in.
Yarrr!!! Kill Maim Burn
Oh and Persh, don't forget we were also VA and NVA. Along with all but the last incarnation of the PA, then NBSI, then PoE. So more like...NVAPANBSIPoE...ok, it just doesn't flow...work with it.
Occassus Republica, PoE |
General Hansen
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Posted - 2006.05.20 18:37:00 -
[84]
Edited by: General Hansen on 20/05/2006 18:39:24
Originally by: Daxes
I didnt start this discussion but its somewhat irritating to see atuk/5 ppl posting here like they owned everyone just to see all those ppl now totaly gone from here and being in totaly different alliances which is kinda "funny".
Dont see any ex atuk posting
Nice try to flame tho
And ppl who actually were there with ATUK knew what happend, ATUK would of never given up.
Originally by: Daxes
actualy 5(atuk)/F-E were losing the war in tribute vs G/Iron when BoB invaded EC and then they all decided to disband so how did they wipe the floor with us?
Nice of you by takin the flamebait from an alt, by posting nonsense.
HIHI |
Cpt Roberts
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Posted - 2006.05.20 21:07:00 -
[85]
I WILL own The Eve World !
call me to create a anti D2 OP
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.05.20 21:29:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Stamm
/me takes notes on how to conduct diplomacy.
My thoughts exactly.
It wasn't *quite* as bad as OrcA, but still well and thoroughly botched.
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"Never underestimate the power of language."
--Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles-- |
DANGEROUS
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Posted - 2006.05.21 20:19:00 -
[87]
OMG,
Phonix, i know i siad i wouldnt, but i cant log on ingame atm so am 'watching' all from here. see u soon btw mate.
ps get fortunati to give me a call IRL please guys, and OMFG i am missing u ya'all so a BIG hi from me. (pass it on nahual)))
Great reading this thread, V nice to see we are creating waves as ever in the correct and proper FATE fashion ))
See u all soon
Dangerous out
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.05.21 20:54:00 -
[88]
****take, a humorous way of getting your alliance some people to fight as they will be even less inclined to NAP you after that post, if that wasn't your intention however  .
President
Huzzah Federation
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.05.22 03:44:00 -
[89]
I'll try to handle this in the order I remember them.
1) POE is not blue. I believe there was a thread that said you were KOS actually, just an FYI.
2) I told 1024 you would all die jumping into an interdictor bubble, yet he wanted a fight. He ****** up, and I've made fun of him on ts every time I've seen him for dying to such a group of 'carebears'. Hopefully my ridicule will do something.
3) FATE. have put up a pos. We have brought dreads, we've lead fights. Hell I guarded the BKG station for nearly 14 hours a day for that week while waiting on SOV. I even went in 80 v 1 in my mega and pwned a frig \o/. So don't say we don't contribute anything, you know nothing.
4) All questions that I feel fate. can answer, or positions that can be addressed have been answered, so next one of us that posts in here gets a slap from me. And if im in a bad mood I'll make you mine for a week or some evil punishment. Hell - ill have DANGEROUS lead you in another fight  .
GL with the talks ****take - we will honor our alliance standings, even if there is bad blood, but you aren't blue as of last time I logged in.
---
Originally by: Wrangler
...why do you people always have to verbally assault each other over things that doesn't matter anyway?
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Pant Alones
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Posted - 2006.05.22 04:23:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Hamatitio
4) All questions that I feel fate. can answer, or positions that can be addressed have been answered, so next one of us that posts in here gets a slap from me. And if im in a bad mood I'll make you mine for a week or some evil punishment. Hell - ill have DANGEROUS lead you in another fight .
omg dont let dangerous lead 
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Nahual
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Posted - 2006.05.22 06:17:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Pant Alones
Originally by: Hamatitio
4) All questions that I feel fate. can answer, or positions that can be addressed have been answered, so next one of us that posts in here gets a slap from me. And if im in a bad mood I'll make you mine for a week or some evil punishment. Hell - ill have DANGEROUS lead you in another fight .
omg dont let dangerous lead
DW I've bought 20 stabbers so he can lead...or shall we say solo 100% t1 fit and corp insured.....ftw
Maximum sig image file size is 24kb --Jorauk |
DANGEROUS
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Posted - 2006.05.22 08:53:00 -
[92]
See how my name is taken in vain when i am not around.
and ROFL @ 1024 - p
LOLOLOL
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Gyro DuAquin1
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:33:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
Originally by: Daxes
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
lol some things will never change, still the same "smart" comments even if GIRON is dead, the spirit lives on. He said and i quote "I seem to remember atuk alone wiping the floor with the whole north" - he meant FE/PA/NBSI and this is true.
GIRON died so someone wiped the floor with them, maybe BoB, maybe FE/5 how about alltogether?
Another thing is that no one wiped the floor with ATUK or FE, they just disbanded.
since when is the whole north = Pa/nbsi/f-e?
If anything was worth being called "North" then G/Iron.
And that G/Iron "died" (we didnt die we restructured into a new thing) has hardly anything to do with BoB or even F-E/5.
Noone wiped the floor with ATUK/F-E?
Well guess u should have followed the killboards when we were fighting, the results were kinda obvious.
G were west, it really feels west when i look at the map ;). Restuctured meaning some ex-pirates, ex-nbsi and trust carebears joined? The fact that u had more kills against FE/5 mean you wiped the floor with em? , but please continue posting these things. I can't hurt some people more than they hurt themselves with their own mouths.
funny
Another delta team smacking, nothing new move on.
Hi dangerous.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:44:00 -
[94]
Edited by: pershphanie on 22/05/2006 09:45:11
Originally by: Daxes
Edited by: Daxes on 20/05/2006 14:23:58
Originally by: Truth Serum
Originally by: Daxes
actualy 5(atuk)/F-E were losing the war in tribute vs G/Iron when BoB invaded EC and then they all decided to disband so how did they wipe the floor with us?
step away from the ***** pipe dood
You guys couldnt even kill a pos if I heard right in tribute. Youy lost a dread trying though...
clueless alts ftw?
We killed poses, not to mention that we won like 90% of all fleet fights.
Tribute would have fallen into our hands sooner or later (well its now ours anyways so...).
slight correcting. You killed A (one) mining pos in a non-station system. you were not successfull in killing any of our station claiming pos's. When you tried you lost a dread and many ships in the process. You took the shields down on a few, but did not kill them. You were not anywhere near victory nor did you play any part in FE dying. I'm not going to let you rewrite history like that.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:05:00 -
[95]
Originally by: pershphanie
Edited by: pershphanie on 22/05/2006 09:45:11
Originally by: Daxes
Edited by: Daxes on 20/05/2006 14:23:58
Originally by: Truth Serum
Originally by: Daxes
actualy 5(atuk)/F-E were losing the war in tribute vs G/Iron when BoB invaded EC and then they all decided to disband so how did they wipe the floor with us?
step away from the ***** pipe dood
You guys couldnt even kill a pos if I heard right in tribute. Youy lost a dread trying though...
clueless alts ftw?
We killed poses, not to mention that we won like 90% of all fleet fights.
Tribute would have fallen into our hands sooner or later (well its now ours anyways so...).
slight correcting. You killed A (one) mining pos in a non-station system. you were not successfull in killing any of our station claiming pos's. When you tried you lost a dread and many ships in the process. You took the shields down on a few, but did not kill them. You were not anywhere near victory nor did you play any part in FE dying. I'm not going to let you rewrite history like that.
Persh we DID infact kill atleast 2 large towers that claimed sov.
i was there in my ghey dread. not my fault that ppl wouldnt tell ya that they screwed up with stront and settings
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.05.22 11:20:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
Lol what? Are you ex Giron? Am I ex The Five?
-There you have it; a discution among dead ppl, a "restructured" and a "disbanded".
Difference is. They've continously kept their own space regardless of their name. Cloud Ring and Fade has never switched hands during their namechange. The only thing ever lost was one system.
You on the other hand have been kicked around so bad that you've totally relocated and joined another existing alliance that consists of far better people than you are. I have no doubts that you will soon enough get kicked out of that alliance too however because peoples patience with guys like you normally is very limited.
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Posted - 2006.05.22 11:32:00 -
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I declare this flamefest ended :)
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