Rather than increasing the size of fuel bays, why not cut the volume of the isotyopes by a third. Then it would carry through all of your systems using the isotopes at fuel. It wouldn't have an impact on POSes as POSes consume fuel blocks that would stay the same size.

Good thing there isn't something like a large coalition that controls all non-NPC nullsec from which nitrogen and oxygen isotopes are mined.

We're going to go ahead and use Resgo's suggestion. Instead of the increase in fuel bay size we will decrease the volume of isotopes by 1/3. OP updated.

isotopes aren't liquid ozone you dumb GOON

how should i know how jump bridges work u took our fuckin sov

I do not claim to be a math expert, but the 50% increase to isotope usage to the 1/3 reduced m3 of isotope, still seems that we are getting screwed & will not be able to carry as much fuel as before.

Should it not be 1/2 reduced m3 of isotope to even it out?

How does anyone at CCP think that the usage of ISO's is going to drop with the summer expansion? With the elemination of standings needs to put up a pos, and with the compression pos structures you are going to see lots more pos's being put up in high sec. This is going to drive the ice product market up on it's own. ISO's usage bump for fuel is just going to drive the price of fuel blocks even higher. You really should hold off on this change until a point release to see how the markets are reacting to more pos's being up and running.

can't help but notice that all of the 'but it will hurt small alliances!' objections are from enormous nullscrub blob coalitions

Hold your horses!

Is there some OTHER change that CCP has not yet revelaed that will make POSes dissapear from the game "en masse" that requires some rebalancing to the isotopes?! Something CCP will only reveal at fanfest perhaps?

Now, let's see here...where are POSes used the most....moon-mining and reactions maybe?

I also saw a new type of mining-frigate linked in-game, a greenish-looking variant of the Venture.

1+1=3 right?

Maybe ringmining for valuable minerals?! Find your R64:s in the ring-belts? ;-)

Funny you have so much faith is something that is total crap. Feel free to quote that

This change is a simple increase in transportation costs. It's bad for null sec, it's bad for highsec and in practice there isn't a single group of players who'll benefit from it.

Fozzie,

You and Rise were doing sooooo much better with the pirate re balance..... and now this ****.

This is an entirely unnecessary change at this time.

There's so many problems with the stated goals I dont know where to begin.

If your true goal here is to get things done locally in null sec you need to re distribute all the resources to all the different regions.

For starters capitals all use differing fuel types that cant be found everywhere. By default we will be needing to import fuel from other regions for the various capital jump drives needing fed.

T2 production requires resources from moons, which by the way, are concentrated based on regions. Yet again we will need to import these things.

IF the goal of this was some bastardized attempt at nerfing power projection, it wont work. How many times have you guys seen that price is NOT a balancing factor. The blocs will pay the fuel bill without a second thought. The guys like me who have to pay for their own fuel on the other hand are now consuming 50% more fuel for an already minuscule profit and thankless job of logistics.

You want to de centralize Jita and make nullsec industry worth while. I get it and I like it. This change however has numerous secondary and tertiary side effects.

You've said before you guys wont interfere with the market unless its PLEX prices.

FUNNY, Plex prices are through the roof and here you are making a change to shore up a market, that may, or may not be affected by a change that you have no idea how the player base will react too.

On second thought, it's good to have "put drones on everything and make interceptors unstoppable, what could go wrong?" Fozzie back. We're used to dealing with his insanity.

How to block good change?

Ask/Force your renter hordes to post a negative comment : http://eveskunk.com/e/338387548

Maybe it is time to reduce rent for those who posted here , like in CSM elections for proper voting.

People who mine topes won't benefit at all. There are two reasons for this:

1) The reduction in isotopes usage from towers will be offset by the increase in usage for jump fuel. That's the stated objective. So there will likely be no net increase in isotope demands or a sustained increase in isotope prices. There will be some movement in racial demands as caldari research towers are removed and archon jump costs increase. That is all.

How well would this argument have gone down if it was posted during the summer of rage? You don't think these factors are relevant? Fine. That's for you to prove. Trying to blatantly shape the narrative by insisting anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot for even raising such concerns is only going to entrench opinions against you further.

But then again maybe that's exactly what you want. This "us versus the pubbies" song and dance always plays well with the home crowd, regardless of the actual validity of other people's concerns.

The reason why fuel blocks were introduced were to make life easier....not harder like you are trying to suggest. You are taking currently 4 versions of fuel, and creating 13.

scorpion they are goons goons have already half the economy in theyr pocket they dont care

they are basicly targetting theyr compettitors

aout the titan
that was in the past that they had to come out of a pos to open a bridge
most likely because goons lost a few titans that way they changed that somewhere in 2009

they dont want smaller goups to grow cause that would cause theyr power to diminish

they will never allow that they want the smaller groups to merge into them to increase in strengh

most of the gm's are goons so they only look at what is in theyr best interest and dont care about the rest

GO BUG FIXING SO YOU DO SOMETHING USEFULL FOZZIE

DONT MESS WITH MECHANICS YOU DONT UDNERSTAND LITTLE BRAINDEAD WANKER

Hey CCP Goon Fozzie,

I think you wanted feedback and have received it. thus far your dates have said they're cool with it cause they already can afford, yet you just upset myself amongst plenty others about the change. so goon brother please why not go further and address AFK camping since that's so easy and doesn't have any limitations? im just saying while you're excellent at thinking how humans will react we all know that most goons (not all) are not even human.

place a fuel requirement on cloaking - there's a though stimulate liquid ozone markets.. how about that one.
give freighters and jump freighters slots! with drone bays! - how about that one!.

how about fixing the broken war dec system while you're at it?? oh I forgot its your job but instead pick on your friends enemies is much more fun.


where is the balance to your level head. you know folks chanted that you were the guy that was cool. that really knew the game and what it's meant to be.. now I see you as the dev that created those aweful missions!. forcing me to deliver milk cartons and cows.


this change sucks mr fozzie.. and that's all I have to say. if those are tears.. then next round is on me (hiccup)

"so we intend to decide upon player reactions to a rule set that hasn't even been explained in full yet let alone player tested or explored, in order to push forward a solution that doesn't actually address the original cause of the situation we're trying to compensate for with the undertone of trying to mess with power projection that isn't even half the monstrous problem that everyone is crying that it is."

now don't get me wrong here, predicting behaviour ahead of time is a very useful skill, last time i used it against you personally i predicted every move in sequence you'd command your actor fleet to use against what was left of mine, so i do know it's a very good skill to be able to use.

but what you're trying to do here and now goes beyond irresponsibility into the realms of outright stupidity.

this summer expansion you are doing something your organisation hasn't bothered to do in a very long time, and that is to change the rules of the eve universe - we all hope in a way that'll make the game more interesting to play - but unlike what you're doing here we're still reserving judgement until we've actually seen how this'll work.

and that is exactly what I am going to advise you to do now: nothing.

the cause of this ice problem was most likely your alterations to harvester time and spawn mechanics of ice fields, thus your first priority order should be to simply scale those back so gathering ice isn't as quick and simple as breathing - that'll reduce supply and bring prices back to a more reasonable spot - something you say is your plan. and actually removes the source of the problem you say there is now.

wait 6 months after the first real (summer) expansion you're going to have released in about 2.5 years, see what the players actually use your new rules to do THEN decide if you need to start messing with child systems in order to compensate for the problems your earlier changes to the parent system've caused.

your people are far too intelligent to make such simple development mistakes so frequently. please, do your job and do it responsibly we could all use some breathable air. (i will not ask for fresh air from you yet that'd be too much)
if your aim is to fix the problem being caused by something then address the mechanics that actually cause the error don't go messing with additional systems while ignoring the original cause it'll just compound the problem.

(that said, by all means continue trying to cure the disease by burying symptoms if you value the height of your workload over the quality and stability of your mechanics)

1) Doubling the isotope useage and reducing its size by only 1/3 is effectively nerfing the range on capital ships. In essence, all you are doing is making the logistic work harder, forcing people to spend more time moving stuff around space and less time in combat.

Moving goods in JF will be cheaper , if this JF will cargo expanding rigs.