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Dilligafmofo
The Generic Pirate Corporation Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:50:00 -
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I call troll.
If I'm wrong, will you marry me? you sound like a keeper !
EDIT: I reserve the right to withdraw any and all marriage proposals without notice. Especially if I am offended by your looks. |
Jack Lennox
Killing With a Smile
120
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Posted - 2014.04.30 09:36:00 -
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So now that you're leaving can I have your stuff? Been ganked? Robbed? Space feelings hurt?-á Now there's something you can do! Fill out a Customer Service Comment Card!-á EIther that or contact everyone's favorite Space Detective for an instant ban! |
Jint Hikaru
Truly Transdimensional The Nova Foundry
1196
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Posted - 2014.04.30 10:06:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.
Wow, some pretty thorough 'Reaserch' you've put in there... 3 days in noob corp. Totally enough to understand the whole community, report to the ESRB and do whatever 'Review' you are going to do.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1215
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Posted - 2014.04.30 10:16:00 -
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Wanted to ask for your stuff but some beat me to it... :-( sad panda
On a side note: Just block the guy. It happens a lot and your block list will grow steadily. Or post some funny, yet classy meme like
Look at all the fucks I give...
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
149
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Posted - 2014.04.30 11:22:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.
Your bio says Caldari but your galactic world-view smells like Amarr ... hmmm, stop drinking your own pod goo and relax a bit.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Jamwara+DelCalicoe+Ashley |
Precurseur
Norrskensdrommar Game Of Bears
3
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:17:00 -
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Expected a ragepoast Intended to troll but couldn't be bothered Left half satisfied, half wanting more
@OP: HTFU |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1217
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:52:00 -
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Precurseur wrote:Expected a ragepoast Intended to troll but couldn't be bothered Left half satisfied, half wanting more @OP: HTFU
wow
TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Lola Shaboopie
Auto Erotic Decapitation
5
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:54:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:I had an unfortunate experience in chat today with rudeness crossing over the line to obscene insults and personal attacks. It appears the Mods will not enforce the rules..they gave an ambivilant response with no real reply. I will be moving on and leaving EVE most likely.
A game with no standards of conduct is not a game it is a disaster waiting to happen.
Bye bye guy who obviously had too much fun creating the typical avatar a 12 year old would make [giant breastages] Can i haz ur stuf?
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Lola Shaboopie
Auto Erotic Decapitation
5
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:58:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:I appreciate the kind responses, as for the ones that is less than that, yes they ARE my values and they ARE the values of society thank goodness. It is true that in the modern world of today such values of decency and respect are eroding in some areas, but I will Never surrender the field to the "let them do what they want" cop out. I have worked to maintain respect and decency in many on line games for i work in the field of game development at the highest level and i will continue to support such standards. I have not previously had a chance to study and research EVE and I will keep an open mind and heart but I will NOT surrender on the issue of decency in shared recreation and communication. In private chat that is just fine, and com's the same. But in a public chat window there should be standards and levels of respect, and to be a personal target of attacks from creeps is not something to be hoped for.
Thanks for the thoughts shared, I am not surprised to hear tolerance suggested, but I will NOT tolerate such behaviour if there is any way that speaking up can get it curbed.
Such a player should be reprimanded by a GM immediatly and banned if it repeats. If we do not support standards there will be none and chaos leads to entropy NOT freedom.
As for the use of HOTFU in a chat with me I do not appreciate such rude slang attacks, and I request that you never address me in a thread again or i will report you for Abuse. I will not tolerate such rude behaviour in print or in life thank you very much. I have no intention of Hurrying Up to Accepting rude and unkind comments in any form or format. thank you.
Hypocritical wall of text from a thin skinned nub with a giant teated blonde bimbo as an avatar. Boobs ok, telling you to FO, is not? |
Hlokk Skoggangur
Shoot Them Later Serious Callers Only
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:06:00 -
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Lola Shaboopie wrote:Carnia Astrael wrote:I had an unfortunate experience in chat today with rudeness crossing over the line to obscene insults and personal attacks. It appears the Mods will not enforce the rules..they gave an ambivilant response with no real reply. I will be moving on and leaving EVE most likely.
A game with no standards of conduct is not a game it is a disaster waiting to happen. Bye bye guy who obviously had too much fun creating the typical avatar a 12 year old would make [giant breastages] Can i haz ur stuf?
So I was not the only person who thought that when I saw their avatar. for a moment I thought I had slipped into an alternate reality where someone with an overly enthusiastic relationship with the 'chest' scale slider actually could try and claim the moral high ground without being mocked.
As for eve's community, both the good and bad, it all makes sense when you approach it as if all the others players are content. theme park mmorpgs use npcs for the bad guys or player support organizations. here it is the players, the good parts (random nice guys, training corps, ppl who help newbs) and the bad ( gankers, pirates, scams, etc). the threats to overcome and survive, and e characters who can help you do this are other people. not some npc standing in a field somewhere or a mob spawning in to drop a meaningless quest item #15478. |
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Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:07:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.
Are you familiar with the New Order of Highsec? We are a player organization which enforces a code of conduct in high security space. This code includes provisions against cursing in local chat and treating our Agents with disrespect. CCP lets us pretty much do as we please in the sandbox and allows the community to police itself (within reason), which is how it should be.
Perhaps you would like to consider becoming an Agent? You can find the details at www.minerbumping.com
www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
Wulfgar WarHammer
Imperium Research Inc
130
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:40:00 -
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Can I have your stuff? |
Franky Saken
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
37
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:45:00 -
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What if someone yells `**** you` on the street at you? |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
343
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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:31:00 -
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Show us where the bad potty mouthed Pixel touched you |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
509
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Posted - 2014.04.30 16:29:00 -
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Thomas Builder wrote:I never quite get that argument.
Sure, EVE is about being the villain. But using foul language doesn't make you a bad guy, it just makes you appear immature. Being a villain is about your actions, not your words. You can be classy and evil. And you usually gain more with a kind word and a gun than a gun alone.
Of course, foul language used as a combat tactic to effect irrational, self-detrimental in-game behavior is something completely else and an useful tool in ones arsenal. (Which might or might not apply to the OP's situation.) But there are players who use it all the time for no apparent reason. And justifying pointless rudeness with "HTFU, I'm a bad boy," is just pathetic. I have to admit, I totally agree with this. I'm embarrassed whenever one of my "allies" starts spouting foul language in local. (I do not feel such actions are petitionable, but it reflects badly on everyone around them) New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
22
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:10:00 -
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To the OP, the chat in Eve isn't different from any IRC chat, where you can find a mix of what you can find in Eve (and even worse with the scripts kiddies), and like others said you can block them anytime, and even filter offending words automatically since the recent patches. On the other way your condescending and threatening text, even without insults, smell a bit of trolling. I'm a game developer too and that doesn't give me any right on Eve since I'm a consumer in this virtual world. I think you can understand the nuance.
We are all here to have fun, and fun is a wide and personal aspect that can even include smack talk for some. If that (really?) reach you, maybe the entire online world that is internet isn't for you. |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
239
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:21:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.
Oh noes! How shall Eve ever survive? I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
350125GO
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
37
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:27:00 -
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Although I think this is a troll thread I'll say this. HTFU does not justify racism, misogyny, antisemitism, homophobia, or any other general bigotry. Whenever I've flown with people who cross a line I call them on it. If it doesn't stop I don't fly with them any more. There's plenty of people in eve to associate with. You're not forced to associate with anyone.
If it happens in public chats report it. If you see it on ship names, report it. If you see it in charter names, report it. If your corp or alliance chat is filled with 16 year olds who just learned a new pejorative then right click your toon and quit the corporation. |
Subject 4927
Short Bus Squad
55
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:54:00 -
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I'll just leave this here. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
642
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:18:00 -
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350125GO wrote: If it happens in public chats report it. If you see it on ship names, report it. If you see it in charter names, report it. If your corp or alliance chat is filled with 16 year olds who just learned a new pejorative then right click your toon and quit the corporation.
Or you could mind your own business and realize that while bigotry may be asinine, ITS NOT ILLEGAL.
We used to name our ships anti-french names when we fought against a french-based FW corp. Is this wrong? If so, who are you to dictate that? Obviously the french guys didnt care. It was all in good fun.
Ah, my Ferox "Paris is Burning"... how I miss her....
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
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Dsparil Mal
Crime Incorporated
13
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:36:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:I had an unfortunate experience in chat today with rudeness crossing over the line to obscene insults and personal attacks. It appears the Mods will not enforce the rules..they gave an ambivilant response with no real reply. I will be moving on and leaving EVE most likely.
A game with no standards of conduct is not a game it is a disaster waiting to happen.
http://lefthandbrewing.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/well-bye.jpg Erotica 1 for CSM 9! |
350125GO
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
40
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:42:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:350125GO wrote: If it happens in public chats report it. If you see it on ship names, report it. If you see it in charter names, report it. If your corp or alliance chat is filled with 16 year olds who just learned a new pejorative then right click your toon and quit the corporation.
Or you could mind your own business and realize that while bigotry may be asinine, ITS NOT ILLEGAL. We used to name our ships anti-french names when we fought against a french-based FW corp. Is this wrong? If so, who are you to dictate that? Obviously the french guys didnt care. It was all in good fun. Ah, my Ferox "Paris is Burning"... how I miss her....
Re-reading my post and I don't see anywhere I said it was illegal, in fact, I said if you don't like it, stop associating with people. Though I realize bigotry is a hatred of a specific group of people, and therefor your anti-French example fits, the term is generally used and understood to be hatred of a certain group of people due to race/religion/sexual orientation, etc. Jingoistic based bigotry is not what I was referring to, and your example of "Paris is burning" is neither, since the phrase is an idiom anyway, at least in English speaking countries.
Not looking at your character to see how long you been playing, but bigotry is not tolerated by CCP. There was a major incident back in 2005/2006 where a corp (or possibly alliance I don't remember which) was renamed by CCP because their name was the same as an anti-Chechen hate group that was active in the former Czech Republic. Bigotry is not illegal, but it doesn't mean we should tolerate it. |
Pubbie Spy
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:48:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.
Please do link your review here, it is shaping up to be quite... entertaining. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
643
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:52:00 -
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350125GO wrote:
Re-reading my post and I don't see anywhere I said it was illegal, in fact, I said if you don't like it, stop associating with people. Though I realize bigotry is a hatred of a specific group of people, and therefor your anti-French example fits, the term is generally used and understood to be hatred of a certain group of people due to race/religion/sexual orientation, etc. Jingoistic based bigotry is not what I was referring to, and your example of "Paris is burning" is neither, since the phrase is an idiom anyway, at least in English speaking countries.
Not looking at your character to see how long you been playing, but bigotry is not tolerated by CCP. There was a major incident back in 2005/2006 where a corp (or possibly alliance I don't remember which) was renamed by CCP because their name was the same as an anti-Chechen hate group that was active in the former Czech Republic. Bigotry is not illegal, but it doesn't mean we should tolerate it.
I agree!
But show your distaste for it by getting back at the player in game, not with the report button.
You didnt claim it was illegal, im just sick of hearing all the crud about how its ok to be tolorant but if you dont agree with something your a morally bad person. (Again, not from you, just venting ) Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Kristalll
Valkyrie Professional Resources
216
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:54:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.
ONLINE INTERACTIONS NOT RATED BY THE ESRB
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp
Congratulations at being both intolerant, and uninformed. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
Dsparil Mal
Crime Incorporated
13
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:57:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Carnia Astrael wrote:Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game. ONLINE INTERACTIONS NOT RATED BY THE ESRB http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jspCongratulations at being both intolerant, and uninformed.
By posting again, after stating that she wasn't going to post, she's broken our fragile trust. Who are we to believe anything she says now. The horrible person. I feel violated. Erotica 1 for CSM 9! |
350125GO
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
40
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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:01:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:I agree! But show your distaste for it by getting back at the player in game, not with the report button. You didnt claim it was illegal, im just sick of hearing all the crud about how its ok to be tolorant but if you dont agree with something your a morally bad person. (Again, not from you, just venting )
Ok. I see where you're coming from, but racism, antisemitism, etc. should be reported. Hate speech is protected in the US, but not tolerated (there is a difference). There are many democracies that believe in free speech but don't protect hate speech (Germany, France, Holland, to name a few).
I had a similar argument with someone on Twitter. Evil can exist in Eve without hatred. This is a game after all. Eve should remain dangerous, but it doesn't have to be horrible. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
938
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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:10:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote: ... 4) You can contact space lawyer, Ripard Teg, and have him blog about your event, and obtain a ban for the player that hurt your feelings. Because thats what we do now. ...
+1
Just blocking the offending person from further chat requests not only takes too many brain cells for the OP, it also doesn't have the added benefit of converting his pansy tears into a ban of the offender as the Ripard Teg approach does.
Would you like to know more? |
Kristalll
Valkyrie Professional Resources
216
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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:21:00 -
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350125GO wrote: Ok. I see where you're coming from, but racism, antisemitism, etc. should be reported. Hate speech is protected in the US, but not tolerated (there is a difference). There are many democracies that believe in free speech but don't protect hate speech (Germany, France, Holland, to name a few).
It's impossible to have free speech and laws against hate speech.
Freedom of Speech isn't to protect the popular speech, it's there to protect the unpopular speech.
At some point, claiming that minorities should be treated fairly could easily have been illegal under hate speech laws. In the free marketplace of ideas, even those society doesn't agree with have equal right to be represented, regardless of how bad they make some people feel.
While I would never support the idea that any race, group, or gender, are better than any other for such an arbitrary reason, I would actively be opposed to any attempt to censor someone who does.
I also recognize that, as a private company, CCP has the full right to prosecute such actions as they see fit, but I would not support it, and I thoroughly feel that it would be against CCP's goal of making a real living world out of New Eden.
TL;DR Freedom of Speech and Laws against Hate Speech are completely contradictory and can't exist together in a logical society. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
644
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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:35:00 -
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"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Voltaire
People need to read things like this more often. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
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