This game is not for children. At its core, its a nasty game, about stealing, cheating, telling lies, and using every method available to put yourself ahead of the rest.

I never quite get that argument.

Sure, EVE is about being the villain. But using foul language doesn't make you a bad guy, it just makes you appear immature. Being a villain is about your actions, not your words. You can be classy and evil. And you usually gain more with a kind word and a gun than a gun alone.

Of course, foul language used as a combat tactic to effect irrational, self-detrimental in-game behavior is something completely else and an useful tool in ones arsenal. (Which might or might not apply to the OP's situation.) But there are players who use it all the time for no apparent reason. And justifying pointless rudeness with "HTFU, I'm a bad boy," is just pathetic.

I had an unfortunate experience in chat today with rudeness crossing over the line to obscene insults and personal attacks. It appears the Mods will not enforce the rules..they gave an ambivilant response with no real reply. I will be moving on and leaving EVE most likely.

A game with no standards of conduct is not a game it is a disaster waiting to happen.

If it happens in public chats report it. If you see it on ship names, report it. If you see it in charter names, report it. If your corp or alliance chat is filled with 16 year olds who just learned a new pejorative then right click your toon and quit the corporation.

Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.

Ok. I see where you're coming from, but racism, antisemitism, etc. should be reported. Hate speech is protected in the US, but not tolerated (there is a difference). There are many democracies that believe in free speech but don't protect hate speech (Germany, France, Holland, to name a few).

It's impossible to have free speech and laws against hate speech.

Freedom of Speech isn't to protect the popular speech, it's there to protect the unpopular speech.

At some point, claiming that minorities should be treated fairly could easily have been illegal under hate speech laws. In the free marketplace of ideas, even those society doesn't agree with have equal right to be represented, regardless of how bad they make some people feel.

While I would never support the idea that any race, group, or gender, are better than any other for such an arbitrary reason, I would actively be opposed to any attempt to censor someone who does.

I also recognize that, as a private company, CCP has the full right to prosecute such actions as they see fit, but I would not support it, and I thoroughly feel that it would be against CCP's goal of making a real living world out of New Eden.

TL;DR Freedom of Speech and Laws against Hate Speech are completely contradictory and can't exist together in a logical society.

First, I agree with your ideas, but it doesn't apply. Free speech is not truly free. In the US there are many limits on free speech (more of them come each day), for example, you can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theater and then hide behind the 1st amendment. The countries I listed as examples have free speech but limits on hate speech. I know there are contradictions there, but that wasn't my point, rather just an example on the side.

Eve is a game. In a game, hate speech shouldn't be protected or tolerated. In your public life, say whatever you want, and I'll always defend your right to do so, it doesn't mean I won't punch you in the mouth for saying at the same time. Having a right to say something doesn't mean you should say something. Hmmm.... sounds a lot like just because you can fly a Golem doesn't mean you're ready to fly one, or should fly one. People think so much about how they play the game, and the repercussions of their actions, but put no thought whatsoever into what they say on coms or write in chats.

A bit off-topic but, OP, why did you create an avatar with GIGANTIC boobs?

A bit off-topic but, OP, why did you create an avatar with GIGANTIC boobs?

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First, I agree with your ideas, but it doesn't apply. Free speech is not truly free. In the US there are many limits on free speech (more of them come each day), for example, you can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theater and then hide behind the 1st amendment. The countries I listed as examples have free speech but limits on hate speech. I know there are contradictions there, but that wasn't my point, rather just an example on the side.

Eve is a game. In a game, hate speech shouldn't be protected or tolerated. In your public life, say whatever you want, and I'll always defend your right to do so, it doesn't mean I won't punch you in the mouth for saying at the same time. Having a right to say something doesn't mean you should say something. Hmmm.... sounds a lot like just because you can fly a Golem doesn't mean you're ready to fly one, or should fly one. People think so much about how they play the game, and the repercussions of their actions, but put no thought whatsoever into what they say on coms or write in chats.

I had no idea I would receive so much abuse here and personal attacks on my sensibilities, standards and right for a safe game environment as promised clearly by the EULA. It has continued now for four pages and may continue on. It is not pleasant to be so targeted and shamed in a public forum for no apparent reason. I have not committed a crime, or taken any right away from anyone, i have asked for the standards promised by the game to be upheld. I took action on that basis and am reassured that the moderators understand and will do what they decide to do. They do not report on results or actions. And I did not reveal the content of the attack to support that privacy.

Many here seem to feel empowered to blame me for caring for decency. That appears to be happening in our society as well. I cannot and do not hope to deal with it on that scale. But I do feel it is our responsibilty as mature adults who have inherited our culture to protect standards of decency in public areas, what you do in private and in your own personal communications is totaly your right as many here have stated. What happens in a public space where no one controls what may happen is based on Trust and agreed upon standards. Such standards forbid certain subjects due to their extreme nature and the upsetting imagery and nature of their content. I think maybe the ease of access of the internet and modern media has made such standards seem impossible. but I will not surrender my concern and care for this. I will not abandon the game or my beliefs. You are free to do as you wish but when you attack me and aggressively criticize me for asking for safely in a game that has clearly stated standards of play then you yourself are violating the rules against Trolling and flaming and being needlessly hurtful.

It has not been easy to endure this. I guess i have kept with this rather than run away because i think it may help some others who feel the same way and who may have been brutalized or bullied in the same way and were afraid to speak out.

I urge and encourage all who encounter speech and chat that violates the EULA rules to report it immediately. I don't think it is useful to talk about it here on the forums from the results of my effort :) but do please know some of us are doing our best to keep the game clean and as nice as it can be. Have fun, I plan to, and please think carefully about what you say and do, for even in a virtual fictional world, it has consequences and impact and you can cause both joy, fun and pain. Try to choose wisely. Take care and I wish you all well.

I was and am in the end very impressed by the very high quality of moderation by the Admins and GMs in this game it is superb and I am sorry that they have to deal with this kind of issue but I thank the stars they are here and are doing their best to give us a safe (not from Ganking and pirates )..... game to enjoy.

Pointless overblown waffle

I had no idea I would receive so much abuse here and personal attacks on my sensibilities, standards and right for a safe game environment as promised clearly by the EULA. It has continued now for four pages and may continue on. It is not pleasant to be so targeted and shamed in a public forum for no apparent reason. I have not committed a crime, or taken any right away from anyone, i have asked for the standards promised by the game to be upheld. I took action on that basis and am reassured that the moderators understand and will do what they decide to do. They do not report on results or actions. And I did not reveal the content of the attack to support that privacy.

Many here seem to feel empowered to blame me for caring for decency. That appears to be happening in our society as well. I cannot and do not hope to deal with it on that scale. But I do feel it is our responsibilty as mature adults who have inherited our culture to protect standards of decency in public areas, what you do in private and in your own personal communications is totaly your right as many here have stated. What happens in a public space where no one controls what may happen is based on Trust and agreed upon standards. Such standards forbid certain subjects due to their extreme nature and the upsetting imagery and nature of their content. I think maybe the ease of access of the internet and modern media has made such standards seem impossible. but I will not surrender my concern and care for this. I will not abandon the game or my beliefs. You are free to do as you wish but when you attack me and aggressively criticize me for asking for safely in a game that has clearly stated standards of play then you yourself are violating the rules against Trolling and flaming and being needlessly hurtful.

It has not been easy to endure this. I guess i have kept with this rather than run away because i think it may help some others who feel the same way and who may have been brutalized or bullied in the same way and were afraid to speak out.

I urge and encourage all who encounter speech and chat that violates the EULA rules to report it immediately. I don't think it is useful to talk about it here on the forums from the results of my effort :) but do please know some of us are doing our best to keep the game clean and as nice as it can be. Have fun, I plan to, and please think carefully about what you say and do, for even in a virtual fictional world, it has consequences and impact and you can cause both joy, fun and pain. Try to choose wisely. Take care and I wish you all well.

I was and am in the end very impressed by the very high quality of moderation by the Admins and GMs in this game it is superb and I am sorry that they have to deal with this kind of issue but I thank the stars they are here and are doing their best to give us a safe (not from Ganking and pirates )..... game to enjoy.

post removed and thanks for that.

it is not a matter of freedom when it involves a clear use of prohibited graphic pornographic imagery and content to attack a player in trolling. Sorry you clearly have an overly liberal view of freedom and that is not a problem limited to EVE but to our current culture as well.

Have a nice day.

This game is not for children. At its core, its a nasty game, about stealing, cheating, telling lies, and using every method available to put yourself ahead of the rest.