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Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2014.05.02 03:15:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote: Get those station spinners out of Egg and get DCM spewing his usual ******** smack up here. JUSTK will pay the JF bill for you guys to move to Heyd :) I wanna see what the "best of Amarr" has to offer.
Let's do this
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Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2014.05.02 03:16:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:Best of the Amarr Militia vs Best of the Gallente. We've both wiped out our respective opposition. We're both bored. It only makes sense for us to go head to head. Your April 27th roam into Gallente space gave a glimpse of what both sides can field. (We can both field HAC-level doctrines, albeit kitchen sink at times) When is this dream match going to occur on a nightly basis? When will you all move up here?
That joint fleet was a combination of In Exile, Winmatar, and Vitoc; supposedly the best that Amarr has to offer. We want to see more! sadly fw is not about biggest fleets and biggest ships. fw is about farmers and farmers decide which side is winning.
Bad Messenger wrote:
something something blah blah FW working as intended blah blah generic answer blah FW is fine something something
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Heiian Conglomerate
764
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Posted - 2014.05.02 05:13:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I get fights all the time. Fun still seems to be available. The old faction war died before any changes were made, no point shouting its virtues.
if it died back then why are you trying to promote it now, you never learn?
truth is that now gallente complain about same issues we encountered a long time ago, FW is not about fights, because there is still no reason to fight for it.
Best isk comes when you just follow the tide and use best opportunities, long term constant work does not pay and if it seems too obvious to happen CCP makes emergency patch and breaks sandbox as they did last time and many times before.
So no, there is no reason to fight for any system, no matter what you think reason is. |

Day Mon
Caldari Privateers Group Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2014.05.02 06:24:00 -
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I thought this thread would be about amarr vs gal. |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:32:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:Deen Wispa wrote: Get those station spinners out of Egg and get DCM spewing his usual ******** smack up here. JUSTK will pay the JF bill for you guys to move to Heyd :) I wanna see what the "best of Amarr" has to offer.
Let's do this
compliments of ::ushrakong:: https://i.imgur.com/5eJ5y68.png We're not paying your JF bill. If you want our JF pilot to move your stuff then put up a courier contract with no collateral.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2183
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:34:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:So no, there is no reason to fight for any system, no matter what you think reason is. Something is/is not important because you decide it is or isn't. Only YOU can provide motivation. CCP can only provide the environment. |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Heiian Conglomerate
764
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:41:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:So no, there is no reason to fight for any system, no matter what you think reason is. Something is/is not important because you decide it is or isn't. Only YOU can provide motivation. CCP can only provide the environment.
CCP do provide environment, but they can actually take that away too if needed. So nothing is important, just farm isk and farm isk and farm isk and other thing you can do is farm isk.
I am now playing FW you guys wanted and FW what CSMs promoted and CCP delivered, actually my FW looks pretty much like your FW was at start, i do not care, except isk ofc. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
883
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Posted - 2014.05.02 10:07:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:So no, there is no reason to fight for any system, no matter what you think reason is. Something is/is not important because you decide it is or isn't. Only YOU can provide motivation. CCP can only provide the environment. CCP do provide environment, but they can actually take that away too if needed. So nothing is important, just farm isk and farm isk and farm isk and other thing you can do is farm isk. I am now playing FW you guys wanted and FW what CSMs promoted and CCP delivered, actually my FW looks pretty much like your FW was at start, i do not care, except isk ofc.
BM will never get over the fact that more than just one corp of saddos, for 2 hours after downtime, can control a faction war that no one else cares about.
5 yeas later his pain is palpable and only getting worse. |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Heiian Conglomerate
764
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Posted - 2014.05.02 10:17:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:So no, there is no reason to fight for any system, no matter what you think reason is. Something is/is not important because you decide it is or isn't. Only YOU can provide motivation. CCP can only provide the environment. CCP do provide environment, but they can actually take that away too if needed. So nothing is important, just farm isk and farm isk and farm isk and other thing you can do is farm isk. I am now playing FW you guys wanted and FW what CSMs promoted and CCP delivered, actually my FW looks pretty much like your FW was at start, i do not care, except isk ofc. BM will never get over the fact that more than just one corp of saddos, for 2 hours after downtime, can control a faction war that know one else cares about. 5 yeas later his pain is palpable and only getting worse.
You do not seem to understand that nothing has changed, there is no more reason to care about systems than before.
We did control all systems and mechanics what was what it was, but result from that is that CCP has to still think about it and make sure that same does not happen again and that is main reason why we get only ****** FW versions controlled by farmers who does not care about system owner ship at all.
Caldari did have plans but CCP had to make emergency patch and most of veterans quit FW after that, And no one is willing to care because of CCP. It does not really have anything to do with gallente. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
883
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Posted - 2014.05.02 10:22:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote: You do not seem to understand that nothing has changed, there is no more reason to care about systems than before.
We did control all systems and mechanics what was what it was, but result from that is that CCP has to still think about it and make sure that same does not happen again and that is main reason why we get only ****** FW versions controlled by farmers who does not care about system owner ship at all.
Caldari did have plans but CCP had to make emergency patch and most of veterans quit FW after that, And no one is willing to care because of CCP. It does not really have anything to do with gallente.
I care about more systems now than i did back then. |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Heiian Conglomerate
764
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Posted - 2014.05.02 10:26:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Bad Messenger wrote: You do not seem to understand that nothing has changed, there is no more reason to care about systems than before.
We did control all systems and mechanics what was what it was, but result from that is that CCP has to still think about it and make sure that same does not happen again and that is main reason why we get only ****** FW versions controlled by farmers who does not care about system owner ship at all.
Caldari did have plans but CCP had to make emergency patch and most of veterans quit FW after that, And no one is willing to care because of CCP. It does not really have anything to do with gallente.
I care about more systems now than i did back then.
maybe because you were not there back then. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
883
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Posted - 2014.05.02 10:31:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:maybe because you were not there back then.
This is not my oldest toon. I enjoyed the original mechanics for quite some time before they were fixed. |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Heiian Conglomerate
764
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Posted - 2014.05.02 10:33:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:maybe because you were not there back then. This is not my oldest toon.
how about post with your main then. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
883
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Posted - 2014.05.02 10:34:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:
how about post with your main then.
I am.
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Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
16
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Posted - 2014.05.02 11:44:00 -
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there is no "best of Amarr" there is only ******* slavers |

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
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Posted - 2014.05.02 12:07:00 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:there is no "best of Amarr" there is only ******* slavers
          
          
          
          
          
          
          
          
          you Mabego.
Promise me you will never change.
Docked since 2009. |

Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1272
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Posted - 2014.05.02 13:13:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:says facts If you like lol. Sounds kinda silly. clean the down syndrome from your eyes and wake up. controlling occupancy is winning fw period Occupancy is a content driver, not content. Only the autistic could confuse this.
I noticed this is the second time this week you claimed someone else was autistic. Where I come from this sort of name calling from any adult is the sign or an abnormally immature/underdeveloped mind.
You are claiming someone else suffers from a disability that is often indicated by socially inappropriate behavior. But your accusation itself demonstrates you are extremely socially inappropriate. I wonder if you see the irony.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1272
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Posted - 2014.05.02 13:34:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:
Not quite...controlling home systems is 'winning' FW...if you can even call it that...
Who gives a rats ass about non-station systems or other systems that do not matter. The only system that really matters is the one you call home. The rest is Farmville garbage.
This douchery of occupancy is what is wrong in the first place...
Controlling your "home system" is what its all about huh? You can lose the other 99 systems but if they can't take this one then you are "winning."
I have to say this reminds me of the Notre Dame Navy rivalry. Notre Dame beat navy over 40 times in a row. But then the streak snapped. So presumably Navy could then say "Nobody beats Navy 50 times in a row!"
When eve came out with Faction war and later when inferno came out we really didn't hear many claims that holding 2 or 3 systems was winning. It seems this way of winning was more of an after the fact claim to victory. Gallente can't hold the space so they are going to redefine victory not unlike the navy fans.
When faction war first came out lots in amarr said the tier system and reward structure is broken. (after all that was a huge part of the changes!) We were told we were just crybabies and we should get out there and try to win the broken system. I and a few others did, but it just became obvious to us it was broken. Now it seems people agree its broken. But now they have changed the goal. Now all those changes that deal with various rewards for occupancy plexing (really 90% of the changes) are irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether we get kicked out of our home station.
Ok EVE is a sandbox so you can set your own goals and claim whatever subjective victory you want. But I would just point out that holding on to your "home system" is just a matter of who can get the largest blob and into a single system the longest. In other words its just null sec but with training wheels.
Its pretty clear to me that the intent of fw is that people would fight for occupancy throughout the warzone - as that is what the rewards are structured around. The rest is just a matter who can outblob the other or random rvb pvp.
Your basically saying we didn't want those systems anyway - and refusing to admit that something is broken. I think we should accept that fw has potential but it needs some work to fix it.
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote: That's true. I never won or lost. Actually to say someone won or lost suggests the war is over. It's not.
Suddenly occupancy in itself doesnt seem so important, right?
No its still what fw is about. You see I don't do what you did. I don't see that I haven't accomplished something and therefore decide that I can still claim to "win" without accomplishing it. I don't think holding onto a single system is "winning" the war.
The thing is I accept the truth that fw is geared toward occupancy but the mechanics needs to be adjusted so the game is worth playing. Right now it's not. You just make up your own victory condition - getting lots of killmails or whatever. That's fine too but really you can do that in rvb or null sec or low sec as a neutral. Gathering a bunch of killmails for your epeen really has nothing to do with fw in particular. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.05.02 14:03:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Controlling your "home system" is what its all about huh? You can lose the other 99 systems but if they can't take this one then you are "winning." Yeah pretty much, but without the snarky "quotes" and the fact that there are 101 total systems (not 100).
Honestly, I didn't know that it was your job to decide my victory conditions in a sandbox game. BTW, my side has already "won" FW once by your victory conditions - even though our self-defined victory condition was different (Our victory condition was to get a medal from CCP and high five from CCP Fozzie).
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2183
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Posted - 2014.05.02 14:07:00 -
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double post, please delete |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
884
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Posted - 2014.05.02 14:24:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:says facts If you like lol. Sounds kinda silly. clean the down syndrome from your eyes and wake up. controlling occupancy is winning fw period Occupancy is a content driver, not content. Only the autistic could confuse this. I noticed this is the second time this week you claimed someone else was autistic. Where I come from this sort of name calling from any adult is the sign or an abnormally immature/underdeveloped mind. You are claiming someone else suffers from a disability that is often indicated by socially inappropriate behavior. But your accusation itself demonstrates you are extremely socially inappropriate. I wonder if you see the irony.
I dont mind him saying ive got downs, he doesnt mind me saying hes autistic.
Even more issues only you care about.
You are a wierd dude cearain, lots of issues. |

Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
327
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Posted - 2014.05.02 15:13:00 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:there is no "best of Amarr" there is only ******* slavers quiet slave. /me smacks mabego |

Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1272
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:07:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:Controlling your "home system" is what its all about huh? You can lose the other 99 systems but if they can't take this one then you are "winning.".... Yeah pretty much, but without the snarky "quotes" and the fact that there are 101 total systems (not 100). Honestly, I didn't know that it was your job to decide my victory conditions in a sandbox game. BTW, my side has already "won" FW once by your victory conditions - even though our self-defined victory condition was different (Our victory condition was to get a medal from CCP and high five from CCP Fozzie). Quote:No its still what fw is about. You see I don't do what you did. I don't see that I haven't accomplished something and therefore decide that I can still claim to "win" without accomplishing it. I don't think holding onto a single system is "winning" the war. Again, been there - done that. Please don't get too upset with us for playing FW as you think it was intended to be played. Can't win by achieving Cearain's victory conditions, can't win by defining our own set of victory conditions. What'cha gonna do?
XG I'm not saying your victory conditions are wrong any more than I am saying Navy can't decide they met their victory conditions because "nobody beats navy fifty times in a row."
I am saying that, for the most part, this seems to be after the fact rationalizations. When faction war first came out I don't recall anyone looking at the rules and immediately concluding "ah yes, if I hold one system I am winning faction war."
But now that we see most of the changes ccp did regarding rewards for occupancy and tiers etc are broken this view seems to be the new raison d'+Žtre for faction war. The question is whether people are going to be honest and recognize that its mostly broken or whether they are going to pretend this is how it was all envisioned from the start.
As for holding a single system its just a matter of who can get the bigger blob in that system for enough time to flip it. If that is your "victory condition" that's fine your entitled to your opinion. But I'm entitled to mine as well. And my opinion is that such a victory is in fact null sec on training wheels.
On the other hand, if the goal of fw was in fact trying to achieve and hold occupancy throughout the warzone - and it wasn't broken - it would involve strategy that is significantly different in form from what they do in null sec. I just think we should admit its broken and try to fix it instead of claiming hollow "victories."
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
884
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:25:00 -
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You can only dock in one station at a time. Why would i care about occupancy beyond the fights it generates and the isk it periodically provides.
The current system gives everyone what they want, apart from those like yourself and a few others whos goal is to dominate the enemy factions indefinitely thus ruining FW.
Your goal is not a good one, nor is it healthy for FW or EVE. |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2184
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:34:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:You goal is not a good one, nor is it healthy for FW or EVE. I would say his STATED goal (total domination of the warzone) is a great driver for FW. The only problem is that he has never acted on his goal. He expects others to do the heavy lifting for him. His real goal is to have 1v1's in backwater systems - a thing you can get anyways without any changes in FW.
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Plato Forko
Of Questionable Lineage
59
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:36:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Controlling your "home system" is what its all about huh? You can lose the other 99 systems but if they can't take this one then you are "winning."
I have to say this reminds me of the Notre Dame Navy rivalry. Notre Dame beat navy over 40 times in a row. But then the streak snapped. So presumably Navy could then say "Nobody beats Navy 50 times in a row!"
how does a battlefield that's active around the clock while you're sleeping, working, exercising or feeding your face in any way compare to a team that fails to win matches they're in full attendance at?
I've only been in FW since the start of Retribution and have already seen at least half a dozen organized, capable alliances make a run on the warzone telling everyone "we're going to take the medal for x side" only to fall apart with TWO SYSTEMS remaining. It might not be an outright victory to prevent one system from falling, but it's definitely a victory for the people who actually fight when they can truthfully say "we saved the militia right here". My terribad blog where I QQ and rage about Amarr FW |

Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
359
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:00:00 -
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And here I thought FW was about having fun pew pewing and making isk. All this time I've been doing it wrong and should have been taking all the systems??? Wouldn't that drive away my opposing militia PvPers, and therefore cause me to have less targets? Taking all the systems sounds kinda counterproductive to MY goals. |

Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1272
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Posted - 2014.05.02 19:04:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:You can only dock in one station at a time. Why would i care about occupancy beyond the fights it generates and the isk it periodically provides..
I think it would be fun to try to do your bit in a larger operation to control a region of low sec. It would be fun if the mechanics made it feasible to do this through pvp. However it is not feasible with the current mechanics.
So you can either drastically lower your expectations and look at fw like rvb with the occassional blob of a home system, or you can argue for changes that would make fw great. But if you do the former don't pretend your not lowering your expectations to fit what is feasible under a broken system.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: The current system gives everyone what they want, apart from those like yourself and a few others whos goal is to dominate the enemy factions indefinitely thus ruining FW.
Your goal is not a good one, nor is it healthy for FW or EVE.
You make it sound like I am in favor of station lockouts. I am not. I want the losing side to be able to continuously put up a fight. And I am against mechanics that prevent that. My goal is to have Faction War be a continuous pvp fight happening in plexes throughout the disputed regions. I think ccp can do this if they finally implement changes that players have been recommending for a long long time. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2184
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:01:00 -
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Cearain wrote:You make it sound like I am in favor of station lockouts. I am not. I want the losing side to be able to continuously put up a fight. And I am against mechanics that prevent that. The losing side can always put up a fight.
What you are really saying is "I want the losing side to be able to go afk and not bother defending when the other side attacks."
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SmokinJs Arthie
Justified Chaos
20
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:27:00 -
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wrong thread. |
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