... why just one of your home systems has regularly 40-60 people online. i think our warzone has like 40-60 people doing anything.

This would have been interesting to see back in 2009 when both militia's were at their true hight and not a meer shadow of what they are now. And from what i remember back then the amarr did frequently fight the gals. it was pretty funny seeing the pure domi fleet (gals) fighting the pure abaddon fleet (amarr)

but now both militia's are so drastically different this just wouldnt be intresting. if its gonna come to large scale hac fleets there is no doubt in my mind that your side would easily crush because gals have way more pilots to grab from, why just one of your home systems has regularly 40-60 people online. i think our warzone has like 40-60 people doing anything.

We're no where near the numbers you think especially in the age of attrition warfare where some people can't get out of a meta fit frigate. Most of us are scattered across numerous home systems and a 40 man fleet isn't something we're capable of. I'd say 10-20 hac fleet is doable. 15-30 t1 cruisers is doable on weekends.

Dream doctrine fleet fights;

VNIs vs Aug Navies
Ishtars vs Sacs
Sentry Domis vs Apocs

Get those station spinners out of Egg and get DCM spewing his usual ******** smack up here. JUSTK will pay the JF bill for you guys to move to Heyd :) I wanna see what the "best of Amarr" has to offer.

Let's do this

Best of the Amarr Militia vs Best of the Gallente. We've both wiped out our respective opposition. We're both bored. It only makes sense for us to go head to head. Your April 27th roam into Gallente space gave a glimpse of what both sides can field. (We can both field HAC-level doctrines, albeit kitchen sink at times) When is this dream match going to occur on a nightly basis? When will you all move up here?

That joint fleet was a combination of In Exile, Winmatar, and Vitoc; supposedly the best that Amarr has to offer. We want to see more!

sadly fw is not about biggest fleets and biggest ships. fw is about farmers and farmers decide which side is winning.

Sadly people think that controlling occupancy is winning FW, rather than the fights and content it generates.

Sadly people think that controlling occupancy is winning FW, rather than the fights and content it generates.

So you don't think winning the occupancy war should be a primary content driver. Ok fine.

It seems like people are "bored" and turning to the forums to try to arrange fights with a militia on the other side of new eden. Is this considered fw "fights and content" we should all be so thrilled about?

Sadly people think that controlling occupancy is winning FW, rather than the fights and content it generates.

Sadly people think that controlling occupancy is winning FW, rather than the fights and content it generates.

controlling occupancy is winning FW.

Bitterness

Mal adjustment

Roleplaying

I need to farm

So you don't think winning the occupancy war should be a primary content driver. Ok fine.

Well IMO occupancy is what we are fighting for.

We already won.

If you like lol. Sounds kinda silly.

The Caldari already won.

clean the down syndrome from your eyes and wake up. controlling occupancy is winning fw period

Occupancy is a content driver, not content. Only the autistic could confuse this.

pointless information is pointless

You didn't.

That's true. I never won or lost. Actually to say someone won or lost suggests the war is over. It's not.

Get those station spinners out of Egg and get DCM spewing his usual ******** smack up here. JUSTK will pay the JF bill for you guys to move to Heyd :) I wanna see what the "best of Amarr" has to offer.

Let's do this

sadly fw is not about biggest fleets and biggest ships. fw is about farmers and farmers decide which side is winning.

something something blah blah FW working as intended blah blah generic answer blah FW is fine something something

I get fights all the time. Fun still seems to be available. The old faction war died before any changes were made, no point shouting its virtues.

compliments of ::ushrakong::

https://i.imgur.com/5eJ5y68.png

So no, there is no reason to fight for any system, no matter what you think reason is.

Something is/is not important because you decide it is or isn't. Only YOU can provide motivation. CCP can only provide the environment.

CCP do provide environment, but they can actually take that away too if needed. So nothing is important, just farm isk and farm isk and farm isk and other thing you can do is farm isk.

I am now playing FW you guys wanted and FW what CSMs promoted and CCP delivered, actually my FW looks pretty much like your FW was at start, i do not care, except isk ofc.

BM will never get over the fact that more than just one corp of saddos, for 2 hours after downtime, can control a faction war that know one else cares about.

5 yeas later his pain is palpable and only getting worse.

You do not seem to understand that nothing has changed, there is no more reason to care about systems than before.

We did control all systems and mechanics what was what it was, but result from that is that CCP has to still think about it and make sure that same does not happen again and that is main reason why we get only ****** FW versions controlled by farmers who does not care about system owner ship at all.

Caldari did have plans but CCP had to make emergency patch and most of veterans quit FW after that, And no one is willing to care because of CCP. It does not really have anything to do with gallente.

I care about more systems now than i did back then.

maybe because you were not there back then.

This is not my oldest toon.

how about post with your main then.

there is no "best of Amarr" there is only ******* slavers

Occupancy is a content driver, not content. Only the autistic could confuse this.

Not quite...controlling home systems is 'winning' FW...if you can even call it that...

Who gives a rats ass about non-station systems or other systems that do not matter. The only system that really matters is the one you call home. The rest is Farmville garbage.

This douchery of occupancy is what is wrong in the first place...

Suddenly occupancy in itself doesnt seem so important, right?

Controlling your "home system" is what its all about huh? You can lose the other 99 systems but if they can't take this one then you are "winning."

I noticed this is the second time this week you claimed someone else was autistic. Where I come from this sort of name calling from any adult is the sign or an abnormally immature/underdeveloped mind.

You are claiming someone else suffers from a disability that is often indicated by socially inappropriate behavior. But your accusation itself demonstrates you are extremely socially inappropriate. I wonder if you see the irony.

there is no "best of Amarr" there is only ******* slavers

Yeah pretty much, but without the snarky "quotes" and the fact that there are 101 total systems (not 100).

Honestly, I didn't know that it was your job to decide my victory conditions in a sandbox game. BTW, my side has already "won" FW once by your victory conditions - even though our self-defined victory condition was different (Our victory condition was to get a medal from CCP and high five from CCP Fozzie).


Again, been there - done that. Please don't get too upset with us for playing FW as you think it was intended to be played.

Can't win by achieving Cearain's victory conditions, can't win by defining our own set of victory conditions. What'cha gonna do?

Lots

You goal is not a good one, nor is it healthy for FW or EVE.

Controlling your "home system" is what its all about huh? You can lose the other 99 systems but if they can't take this one then you are "winning."

I have to say this reminds me of the Notre Dame Navy rivalry. Notre Dame beat navy over 40 times in a row. But then the streak snapped. So presumably Navy could then say "Nobody beats Navy 50 times in a row!"

You can only dock in one station at a time. Why would i care about occupancy beyond the fights it generates and the isk it periodically provides..

The current system gives everyone what they want, apart from those like yourself and a few others whos goal is to dominate the enemy factions indefinitely thus ruining FW.

Your goal is not a good one, nor is it healthy for FW or EVE.

You make it sound like I am in favor of station lockouts. I am not. I want the losing side to be able to continuously put up a fight. And I am against mechanics that prevent that.

Controlling your "home system" is what its all about huh? You can lose the other 99 systems but if they can't take this one then you are "winning."

Who gives a rats ass about non-station systems or other systems that do not matter. The only system that really matters is the one you call home. The rest is Farmville garbage.

This douchery of occupancy is what is wrong in the first place...

This is why I suggested to make warzone control and LP payout depend on the number of days that one side holds a particular system. The longer the system is held, the higher payouts become. Systems that go back and forth then gain only few rewards.

In that way the rewards reflect the reality.

Not a bad idea. However, might lead to a stable war front as farmers will pile on and keep the winners at the top.

"K guys, here's the game. Ball goes in this hole/net, but if it doesn't, you don't win or lose anyway. Also there's no timer, so the game goes on forever, even if your team was ahead at one point, it's irrelevant 'cause they'll be behind later, 'cause there's no timer to end the game at any point."

"there's no stoppage of play, there's no referees. Here's the ball and have fun! The net's over that way, if you...you know...want to."


Now tell me exactly how you "win" this game? Long as you're playing the game sounds like you're winning as it is.

o Lack of docking restrictions is like playing basketball where defense is optional.

o The "backwater systems" in FW are like the warm up area on the other court. Complaining that leisurely shooting the ball against an imaginary opponent is not exciting as playing in a real game, and then not wanting to play on the real court (where the opposing FW players live) is a bit weird.

o FW low sec is a haven for solo and small gang pvp. Check the killboards. Compare it to any other low sec in the game - or even null sec. Only Barlequet when BNI was living there could compete with FW space in terms of pvp.

o There are definitely enough pvp'ers to police the entire warzone. They don't do it because it's boring. People who like to pvp go to the areas where they know they're going to get a fight. They don't go to High Sec Unour Constellation in Placid to look for a fight, and they don't complain that they can't find one when they do. They're smarter than that.

Unless its fun to fight for those plexes. You know it's a game. Negative consequences just make you do things like have an alt account that sits in a stabbed ship to deplex your space. If you don't have the biggest blob (or have no interest in having a stabbed alt deplex) then you will just dock outside low sec space. This just means you will waste more time reshipping.

Yes because small scale pvp is just a warm up for blobbery.

Just because there is more small scale pvp in faction war than there is in other areas of eve doesn't mean there is enough. EVE in general needs more small scale pvp opportunities. Like I said eve is great, but it can be quite boring when you are wasting time looking for fights. IMO FW should be nonstop fighting.

What does high sec have to do with anything?

Yes its boring because the current mechanics make it efficient to hide and seek plex. If the mechanics made it more efficient to win occupancy by pvp it wouldn't be so boring.

Best of the Amarr Militia vs Best of the Gallente. We've both wiped out our respective opposition. We're both bored.

stuff...

You want quick 1v1 (or 1v2, 2v1, etc...) fights in plexes - these I can personally get within 10 minutes of logging in - proven repeatedly over a year ago. While you were ranting about not being able to do so, I was documenting case after case of doing just that (in Fliet where WTs were very active).

Deen is looking for different types of fights than you. ...
Deen wants big cruiser level or higher fights. 50 on 50 brawls.

We're no where near the numbers you think especially in the age of attrition warfare where some people can't get out of a meta fit frigate. Most of us are scattered across numerous home systems and a 40 man fleet isn't something we're capable of. I'd say 10-20 hac fleet is doable. 15-30 t1 cruisers is doable on weekends.

Everyone is always lying to me.

[...] Yes because small scale pvp is just a warm up for blobbery. [...]

Not in my perspective. I might be doing it wrong, but small-scale, especially in FW areas, to me is closer to a FPS. Instant action and gratification, if you actively seek it. To blob requires a big-ish group of "friends" online, and time. If you'd like fun here and now, that's two things you rarely have available.

If you want to know know Deen actually said you can find it in this very thread: