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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2014.05.01 16:55:00 -
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So, anyone else feeling like that CSM panel has just said
1. CSM thinks they are important
2. CSM has been told by CCP they are important
3. CSM is important
4. CSM does things that are important.
Seriously, I listened to the stream expecting some sort of intelligent conversation about in-depth details.. Why none of this cee cee pee?
-Buhhd |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
194
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Posted - 2014.05.01 16:56:00 -
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Because, CSM is important man.
This is as nice as I get.
Best quote ever
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2305
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Posted - 2014.05.01 17:00:00 -
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Folk like to moan about the CSM, but if CCP did away with the CSM, I would suggest that there would be a lot of folk complaining that we no longer had any player representation.
Don't like 'em or think they are useless?
Don't vote.
This is not a signature. |
John Ending
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.05.01 17:01:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:So, anyone else feeling like that CSM panel has just said
1. CSM thinks they are important
2. CSM has been told by CCP they are important
3. CSM is important
4. CSM does things that are important.
Seriously, I listened to the stream expecting some sort of intelligent conversation about in-depth details.. Why none of this cee cee pee?
-Buhhd
Did you catch the part about making bad posts... |
mechform
Obstergo
Red Coat Conspiracy
94
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Posted - 2014.05.01 17:02:00 -
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I can see why CSM is needed, but I kind of felt like they viewed every player that has an opinion as the 'enemy'. Great, they do lots of work and they contribute somehow to the game. All we have is them and ccp saying it.
They even had a good idea during their panel, of a 'how the csm helped along a certain aspect of the game snip it'. But as most good ideas presented to both ccp and the CSM, this will be lost in the 'business' aspect of the game, which we heard a lot about.
Black Power - Brotha's in space unite! |
Marsha Mallow
420
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Posted - 2014.05.01 17:04:00 -
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Maybe its to get people to vote and stop babbling on about bloc voting v0v
Whining is a perfectly valid bloc imo, all the whiners should vote too (I forgot to this time, might whine at CCP about that for not reminding me)
Bounty each of them as an acknowledgement of their efforts, it's like a personal thank you note 
TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3105
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Posted - 2014.05.01 17:04:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Folk like to moan about the CSM, but if CCP did away with the CSM, I would suggest that there would be a lot of folk complaining that we no longer had any player representation.
Don't like 'em or think they are useless?
Don't vote.
You always find vocal people from both sides of the fence. The importance of the CSM can be gauged by the vote turnout, which is where? Some 10%? That's how important CSM is.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5090
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Posted - 2014.05.01 17:15:00 -
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If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
Fidelas Constans
532
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Posted - 2014.05.01 17:27:00 -
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If you dont like it i could come take your place and you can go home. |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
305
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:10:00 -
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Hey OP: you could've used SPOILER warning there, you impudent lout. Now you've gone and spoiled the session for those of us who were going to catch the repeat on YouTube.
MDD [fakeOutrage] |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
8271
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:16:00 -
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John Ending wrote:Buhhdust Princess wrote:So, anyone else feeling like that CSM panel has just said
1. CSM thinks they are important
2. CSM has been told by CCP they are important
3. CSM is important
4. CSM does things that are important.
Seriously, I listened to the stream expecting some sort of intelligent conversation about in-depth details.. Why none of this cee cee pee?
-Buhhd Did you catch the part about making bad posts...
Yes, i just wanted to be noticed! :(
Anyways, i appreciate the CSM talks a lot, but they talk a lot of **** in these panel things. I agree that actually the CSM is important, but the importance is defined by the people on it. Unfortunately, the people that were on it this time just spoke a load of old garbage, why wasn't there any actual information anyone wanted to hear? |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
1731
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:33:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:So, anyone else feeling like that CSM panel has just said
1. CSM thinks they are important
2. CSM has been told by CCP they are important
3. CSM is important
4. CSM does things that are important.
Seriously, I listened to the stream expecting some sort of intelligent conversation about in-depth details.. Why none of this cee cee pee?
-Buhhd
Because that's not important when compared to the sheer value of the opportunity to EPEEN on Stream to the world. 
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Beta Maoye
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:41:00 -
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I have a feeling that the CSM election is downplayed this year. No pre-election. No email notification. Things are like rushing through. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2881
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:47:00 -
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Beta Maoye wrote:I have a feeling that the CSM election is downplayed this year. No pre-election. No email notification. Things are like rushing through.
The real question will be is if CCP releases the total number of votes this year, and the percentage that was of the sub base. Because then we have some kind of comparison to last year's sub base for growth purposes.
Then again, if they conflate the Serenity sub base with the TQ sub base, all bets are off, and no subscription trends for TQ can be established.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
562
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Posted - 2014.05.01 19:51:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Folk like to moan about the CSM, but if CCP did away with the CSM, I would suggest that there would be a lot of folk complaining that we no longer had any player representation.
Don't like 'em or think they are useless?
Don't vote.
We don't have any player representation - CCP's proved that time and again. CSM is just an Icelandic Vacation Award program.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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E Thatcher
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.05.01 20:43:00 -
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Yes paid vacation for sure, but don't some of the big sheets deserve it for all their hardwork? But why try get more for their money by trying to enlist us in the belief that they are doing anything for voters?
Just make it so top ten community leaders or assigned representatives get a free trip to fanfest with a special interview asking their opinions, You know, kinda like the free ticket/backstage pass for press and groupies gets you a crack at the rock stars after concert motel room where they ask your opinions before taking you for a ride?
Come to think of it, Lets quit the pretenses altogether and just award aurum. That would really be representing my opinion.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7204
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Posted - 2014.05.01 20:45:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Folk like to moan about the CSM, but if CCP did away with the CSM, I would suggest that there would be a lot of folk complaining that we no longer had any player representation.
Don't like 'em or think they are useless?
Don't vote. We don't have any player representation - CCP's proved that time and again. CSM is just an Icelandic Vacation Award program.
i do
you don't, because as an npc alt you barely exist
Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
CODE.
221
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Posted - 2014.05.01 21:09:00 -
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I always had the urge to fast forward when Dolan started talking just to be reminded that this was a live stream. |
Regan Rotineque
Arch Angels Assault Force
The Kadeshi
304
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Posted - 2014.05.01 21:16:00 -
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nomad pls |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
1452
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Posted - 2014.05.01 21:33:00 -
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I didn't watch it yet but I can guess it's because most of the player base does not know the CSM exists despite their vital role in CCP development and accountability. And then there's another part of the player base who bash CSM as being at fault for the former because they don't talk enough about the important stuff they do. And then there's a segment of the player base who doesn't get why that's important.
It's weird till you remember that if you follow the CSM and understand what it does you are a vast minority of the EVE Community.
"Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."
-Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM
Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3108
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Posted - 2014.05.01 21:48:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:It's weird till you remember that if you follow the CSM and understand what it does you are a vast minority of the EVE Community.
Funny how the CSM is supposed to represent all the players and not just a "vast minority". I'd call that a failure.
But who's to blame for that? The vast majority of players who either does not know or care? CCP that does not give the CSM enough exposure? The CSM that doesn't communicate what they're doing to the players they're supposed to represent?
Can we fix it?
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Louise Beethoven
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2014.05.01 22:00:00 -
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I used to be skeptical of the CSM too like some here. Then I watched another MMO dev (Turbine) try to do the same thing... their version of the CSM consists of a collection of dev-selected Yes men who hide behind a wall of impenetrable secrecy. I kind of found a new respect for CCP's attempt after watching that shitshow. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
8275
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Posted - 2014.05.01 22:06:00 -
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I follow the CSM closely, all the candidates and what they want and what they're improving. However, I recognised Rip as a CSM, the rest I have no clue, nor do I care really who they are, they haven't made much of an "Impact" on the community, I have been around for years and still don't know these people!
However, there are people that are constantly active, wanting to help people and doing their best, and yet these scrublord retards get the CSM panel instead, its a ******* pathetic.
tl;dr, give the CSM to people who actually care, not people who pretend, or are your friends. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
170
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Posted - 2014.05.01 22:18:00 -
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I like the CSM. Also especially nice to see Malcanis in person, as much an ******* in real life and on the forums. ;) (in a good endearing way)
What made me chuckle, was the complete ass hat who asked the first question trying to say that eve is dying because CCP are not introducing lots of nice shiny new AUR store items for him to dress his avatar. I could see Malcanis was struggling to hold back his rage! |
Alphea Abbra
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
749
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Posted - 2014.05.01 22:21:00 -
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Beta Maoye wrote:I have a feeling that the CSM election is downplayed this year. No pre-election. No email notification. Things are like rushing through. I can't tell you why they didn't send out a mass-email this year when they did last year. Sadly, dunno why.
However, the pre-election last year was a farce that stole away from the actual elections, and the likes-screening one year was even worse. If people want to run, let them run. They put their name and time on the line, and if they're such a bad candidate they can't get through a pre-election, they won't get elected either. You get your Xenuria-esque candidates every year, and my guess is they won't get in this year, as was with last year and the year before that. Why? Because people don't vote for them.
KIller Wabbit wrote:We don't have any player representation - CCP's proved that time and again. See, this is funny, because I am represented. CCP-proved(tm)!
I don't agree with the CSM'ers with whom I share playstyle about everything (Not that I would expect to do so), but they are aware of the issues I am facing and they will more likely than not promote ideas and point out flaws that in aggregate is to my benefit. There are two good reasons for this: First, because I voted, and secondly because I voted for a reasonable candidate.
If you didn't vote, your representation is a cointoss.
Buhhdust Princess wrote:I follow the CSM closely, all the candidates and what they want and what they're improving. However, I recognised Rip as a CSM, the rest I have no clue, nor do I care really who they are, they haven't made much of an "Impact" on the community, I have been around for years and still don't know these people!
However, there are people that are constantly active, wanting to help people and doing their best, and yet these scrublord retards get the CSM panel instead, its a ******* pathetic.
tl;dr, give the CSM to people who actually care, not people who pretend, or are your friends.
All I got from this was that you had not looked into it.
And you didn't run because you didn't care.
And you are pissed off that they did.
And that people voted for them.
Next time, how about looking into it first? |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
8275
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Posted - 2014.05.01 22:24:00 -
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Not at all!
Actually, A lot of the CSM candidates will prove that they have had a decent amount of interaction with me, and previous CSM candidates such as Aleks have spoken to me about CSM "things". However, I am just not interested enough to be involved with it. This is a game to me and i want it to stay that way, joining the Air Force is much more important to me than CSM, plus, who'd vote for a scamming, pirating little shitlord like me? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5109
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Posted - 2014.05.01 22:42:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:I didn't watch it yet but I can guess it's because most of the player base does not know the CSM exists despite their vital role in CCP development and accountability.
Please explain the 'accountability' part that you mentioned and what role the CSM plays in that exactly?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Drone 16
Law Dogz
168
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Posted - 2014.05.01 22:53:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:I didn't watch it yet but I can guess it's because most of the player base does not know the CSM exists despite their vital role in CCP development and accountability. Please explain the 'accountability' part that you mentioned and what active role the CSM plays in that exactly?
They get the account ability which is the ability to have a free account...duh 
Joking aside I think that the CSM does a rather nice job. I was particularly impressed with Ali Aras.
It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits |
Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3419
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Posted - 2014.05.01 23:26:00 -
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Null-sec may get the headlines but high-sec is the engine that drives EVE. Yet there is little if any high-sec representation on the CSM, and this is why the majority of players don't vote and perceive the CSM as nothing more than a token alliance syndicate.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
E Thatcher
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.05.01 23:48:00 -
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