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James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:03:00 -
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I recently looked at my Remote Sensing skill and it says this:
The ability to gather and analyze remote sensing data from satellites in orbit around a planet and produce properly calibrated surveys.
Level 1: allows scans within 1 ly Level 2: allows scans within 3 ly Level 3: allows scans within 5 ly Level 4: allows scans within 7 ly Level 5: allows scans within 9 ly
Exactly how far is a lightyear? I assume it is one jump but I doubt it. Any clarification is appreciated. Knight in battered armor
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Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
112
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:06:00 -
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Seriously?
A lightyear is the distance light travels in a year.
Have you heard of google? Are you challenged or something? |

Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
760
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:08:00 -
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About 31.6 million Lightseconds.
Edit: Yep, I am surprisingly bad at math. My parents would be horrified. Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI |

James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
113
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:09:00 -
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I guess I should clarify. How far is a lightyear in Eve? I obviously don't know how many kms are between jumps to other systems. Knight in battered armor
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
1484
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:10:00 -
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+far+is+a+light+year GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour! |

Sturmwolke
563
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:12:00 -
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Not sure if serious. Lol. Hint : http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump |

James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
113
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:17:00 -
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Nevermind Knight in battered armor
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Evelyn Meiyi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
146
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:22:00 -
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James Nikolas Tesla wrote:I recently looked at my Remote Sensing skill and it says this:
The ability to gather and analyze remote sensing data from satellites in orbit around a planet and produce properly calibrated surveys.
Level 1: allows scans within 1 ly Level 2: allows scans within 3 ly Level 3: allows scans within 5 ly Level 4: allows scans within 7 ly Level 5: allows scans within 9 ly
Exactly how far is a lightyear? I assume it is one jump but I doubt it. Any clarification is appreciated.
You can calculate how far (in terms of jump length) a lightyear is by looking at how many AU a ship can cross before it empties its capacitor.
1 AU (the distance between Earth and the Sun) is approximately 93 mllion miles, and one light-year is (again, approximately) 63240 AU.
(And, just because I like numbers: one light-year (93,000,000 x 63240) = around 5,881,320,000,000 miles/9,460,800,000,000 kilometers. Try walking that far to get to school... ;) ) |

Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes The Volition Cult
567
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:23:00 -
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same lenght as the light travels in a year. You're welcome man |

Doreen Kaundur
44
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:25:00 -
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a light year is about as far as a regular year but with fewer calories.
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Tonai Kion
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:28:00 -
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around 9.46 trillion KM |

Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2173
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:29:00 -
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Evelyn Meiyi wrote:James Nikolas Tesla wrote:I recently looked at my Remote Sensing skill and it says this:
The ability to gather and analyze remote sensing data from satellites in orbit around a planet and produce properly calibrated surveys.
Level 1: allows scans within 1 ly Level 2: allows scans within 3 ly Level 3: allows scans within 5 ly Level 4: allows scans within 7 ly Level 5: allows scans within 9 ly
Exactly how far is a lightyear? I assume it is one jump but I doubt it. Any clarification is appreciated. You can calculate how far (in terms of jump length) a lightyear is by looking at the length of the jump itself: 1 AU (the distance between Earth and the Sun) is approximately 93 mllion miles, and one light-year is (again, approximately) 63240 AU. A Jaguar crosses that distance easily in one jump, but other ships might require two if their capacitor bottoms out. (And, just because I like numbers: one light-year (93,000,000 x 63240) = around 5,881,320,000,000 miles. Try walking that far to get to school... ;) )
Um, 63000 AU is a bit far for a Jag to cross in one shot, even with decent skills (not to mention it would take ages)... One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |

Jur Tissant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:44:00 -
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In-game, a light-year is the DIRECT distance to the star as seen on the star map (unflattened). In my opinion CCP doesn't give very good tools for calculating it. If you select "My planet scan range" (something like that) in the map options it will highlight systems you can scan and give the ly distance to those, I think they should extend that to all systems. |

Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
1484
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:54:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:In-game, a light-year is the DIRECT distance to the star as seen on the star map (unflattened). In my opinion CCP doesn't give very good tools for calculating it. If you select "My planet scan range" (something like that) in the map options it will highlight systems you can scan and give the ly distance to those, I think they should extend that to all systems. The give the data in the datadump (x,y,z) and sites like DOTLAN use it it to calculate jump costs. GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour! |

Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
323
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:54:00 -
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Are we talking about the unit of distance or a Buzz? ^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7
@grr_goons : Wisdom, Insight, GBS Posts |

Jur Tissant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:57:00 -
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Zifrian wrote: The give the data in the datadump (x,y,z) and sites like DOTLAN use it it to calculate jump costs.
And doing a data dump just to figure out how far away a system is is not a very simple way of doing things. DOTLAN's jump calculator can be used to see the direct light-year distance but isn't made specifically for that purpose. |

Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
119
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:50:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:About 31.6 million Lightseconds.
Edit: Yep, I am surprisingly bad at math. My parents would be horrified. You managed to get close to the 40th prime and then were able to figure out when my birthday is.
Now think about how far others would have gotten. :) |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21590
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:56:00 -
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It's roughly 1/80th the width of New Eden.
You can also filter the star map by the range of your skill, by the way. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3995
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:56:00 -
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Karen Avioras wrote:same lenght as the light travels in a year. You're welcome man
Give or take gravitional distortion and the observer's perception based on the point and condition inherent in that observation. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1017
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:00:00 -
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James Nikolas Tesla wrote:I recently looked at my Remote Sensing skill and it says this:
The ability to gather and analyze remote sensing data from satellites in orbit around a planet and produce properly calibrated surveys.
Level 1: allows scans within 1 ly Level 2: allows scans within 3 ly Level 3: allows scans within 5 ly Level 4: allows scans within 7 ly Level 5: allows scans within 9 ly
Exactly how far is a lightyear? I assume it is one jump but I doubt it. Any clarification is appreciated.
1ly = 9454254955,488 Mega Metres.
IF one year has 365 days.
Invisible magic fairy bless my pocket calculator. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
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Cebraio
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
404
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:07:00 -
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Congratulations GD. To this reasonable question there are only two serious and helpful answers in this thread. All others are purposely missing the point or direct towards third party tools for JUMP range calculations, which are also not what OP has asked for. |

Meiyang Lee
Game Instrument Applications
34
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:14:00 -
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James Nikolas Tesla wrote:I recently looked at my Remote Sensing skill and it says this:
The ability to gather and analyze remote sensing data from satellites in orbit around a planet and produce properly calibrated surveys.
Level 1: allows scans within 1 ly Level 2: allows scans within 3 ly Level 3: allows scans within 5 ly Level 4: allows scans within 7 ly Level 5: allows scans within 9 ly
Exactly how far is a lightyear? I assume it is one jump but I doubt it. Any clarification is appreciated.
The trouble is, there's no easy way to get that information. A single gate jump can cross a dozen light-years, and perhaps more (just check some of the longest distance jumps on the map in-game), or only a small distance (a few tenths of a LY). Each star has a distance to every other star around it, whether or not jump-points connect them.
The people pointing to the jump calculator are on the right track, as that has the positional data so it can calculate the optimum jump-route for a capital ship. I don't think there's a way to access this positional data through the game map. But suffice to say that a 9 lightyear sphere covers quite a few systems depending on where in EVE you are.
The Dotlan maps actually allow you to pick a system and then show what systems are how far away. That way you can easily check what's in range. Jump Range Just pick the system you want to calculate from and then look down the list, to see what's how far away. |

Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
120
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:15:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Congratulations GD. To this reasonable question there are only two serious and helpful answers in this thread. All others are purposely missing the point or direct towards third party tools for JUMP range calculations, which are also not what OP has asked for. Are you including yours to "all others", or is that a blind spot? |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3997
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:18:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Congratulations GD. To this reasonable question there are only two serious and helpful answers in this thread. All others are purposely missing the point or direct towards third party tools for JUMP range calculations, which are also not what OP has asked for.
Sorry in what way is this barely high school-level question reasonable for an adult with access to internet to ask? "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Cebraio
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
404
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:30:00 -
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Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Cebraio wrote:Congratulations GD. To this reasonable question there are only two serious and helpful answers in this thread. All others are purposely missing the point or direct towards third party tools for JUMP range calculations, which are also not what OP has asked for. Are you including yours to "all others", or is that a blind spot? I'm obviously in the "all others" category, as the question has been answered and I didn't bother to write a similar response to the OP.
Ramona McCandless wrote:Cebraio wrote:Congratulations GD. To this reasonable question there are only two serious and helpful answers in this thread. All others are purposely missing the point or direct towards third party tools for JUMP range calculations, which are also not what OP has asked for. Sorry in what way is this barely high school-level question reasonable for an adult with access to internet to ask? You're also missing the point. His question was not about a lightyear in general but a lightyear's representation in EVE. He may have phrased it badly, but if you read the OP and not just the headline, it's obvious that he is talking about in-game representation.
What makes you think he's an adult btw? EVE is rated pegi 12.
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Major Xadi
QuAD-F Non Unionised Bittervets Society
35
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:40:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Cebraio wrote:Congratulations GD. To this reasonable question there are only two serious and helpful answers in this thread. All others are purposely missing the point or direct towards third party tools for JUMP range calculations, which are also not what OP has asked for. Sorry in what way is this barely high school-level question reasonable for an adult with access to internet to ask?
Well, I'm assuming you realize OP was really asking how many systems distant from his present system he could scan since it's not apparent from the starmap in game, and not the actual miles or kilometers light travels in a vacuum. And yeah, everyone could google it or whatever, but how is his question then unreasonable or grade schoolish. He wanted clarification about in game distances between systems. |

Jur Tissant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:43:00 -
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One lightyear is equivalent to 3.72 x 10^20 mil or 5.9 x 10^50 Planck lengths or 9.4 x 10^16 hands (approximately the height of one million billion horses). Hope that helps. |

Meiyang Lee
Game Instrument Applications
34
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:43:00 -
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Major Xadi wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Cebraio wrote:Congratulations GD. To this reasonable question there are only two serious and helpful answers in this thread. All others are purposely missing the point or direct towards third party tools for JUMP range calculations, which are also not what OP has asked for. Sorry in what way is this barely high school-level question reasonable for an adult with access to internet to ask? Well, I'm assuming you realize OP was really asking how many systems distant from his present system he could scan since it's not apparent from the starmap in game, and not the actual miles or kilometers light travels in a vacuum. And yeah, everyone could google it or whatever, but how is his question then unreasonable or grade schoolish. He wanted clarification about in game distances between systems. Edit: Ninja'd by Cebraio as I was typing
And he received and answer from me, unfortunately, I doubt it's the answer he's looking for. I may have missed a mechanic on the map that allows you to check it these days, but as far as I'm aware, there isn't one. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3997
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:49:00 -
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Major Xadi wrote: And yeah, everyone could google it or whatever, but how is his question then unreasonable or grade schoolish. He wanted clarification about in game distances between systems.
Then thats what he should have asked, and not the elementary question he did ask.
TL;DR: GD's fault for poor OP apparently "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21592
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:49:00 -
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Major Xadi wrote:OP was really asking how many systems distant from his present system he could scan since it's not apparent from the starmap in game UhmGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3997
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:52:00 -
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Cebraio wrote: He may have phrased it badly, but if you read the OP and not just the headline, it's obvious that he is talking about in-game representation. No, it really isnt.
Cebraio wrote:What makes you think he's an adult btw? EVE is rated pegi 12.
Because a child capable of playing eve would know better than to ask such an elementary question.
and this Tippia wrote:Major Xadi wrote:OP was really asking how many systems distant from his present system he could scan since it's not apparent from the starmap in game UhmGǪ "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Cebraio
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
404
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:59:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Cebraio wrote: He may have phrased it badly, but if you read the OP and not just the headline, it's obvious that he is talking about in-game representation. No, it really isnt. Yes, it really is. Unless you're purposely missing the point. Buuuuuuut anyway, I'm out of here. I forgot to bring my high horse, so I can't stay with you. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13322
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:05:00 -
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Someone taped a Buzz Lightyear to the hood of my truck at work once.
I ripped it off and threw it.
It went about 50 yards.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3998
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:09:00 -
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Cebraio wrote: Yes, it really is. Unless you're purposely missing the point. Buuuuuuut anyway, I'm out of here. I forgot to bring my high horse, so I can't stay with you.
And normally you guys are good at poasting
You must be new "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Major Xadi
QuAD-F Non Unionised Bittervets Society
37
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Major Xadi wrote:OP was really asking how many systems distant from his present system he could scan since it's not apparent from the starmap in game UhmGǪ
Thanks Tippia. It seems you just never run out of things to learn about this game |

Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
225
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:16:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Congratulations GD. To this reasonable question there are only two serious and helpful answers in this thread. All others are purposely missing the point or direct towards third party tools for JUMP range calculations, which are also not what OP has asked for. Found the white knight.
Wait..... This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |

Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
467
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:20:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Cebraio wrote: He may have phrased it badly, but if you read the OP and not just the headline, it's obvious that he is talking about in-game representation. No, it really isnt. Yes, it really is:James Nikolas Tesla wrote:I recently looked at my Remote Sensing skill and it says this:
The ability to gather and analyze remote sensing data from satellites in orbit around a planet and produce properly calibrated surveys.
Level 1: allows scans within 1 ly Level 2: allows scans within 3 ly Level 3: allows scans within 5 ly Level 4: allows scans within 7 ly Level 5: allows scans within 9 ly
Exactly how far is a lightyear? I assume it is one jump but I doubt it. Any clarification is appreciated. |

Cebraio
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
404
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:20:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Cebraio wrote: Yes, it really is. Unless you're purposely missing the point. Buuuuuuut anyway, I'm out of here. I forgot to bring my high horse, so I can't stay with you.
And normally you guys are good at poasting You must be new Because continuing a pointless discussion with you would equal to good posting, right? I rather be a bad poster then.
Yes, I'm new.
Erufen Rito wrote:Cebraio wrote:Congratulations GD. To this reasonable question there are only two serious and helpful answers in this thread. All others are purposely missing the point or direct towards third party tools for JUMP range calculations, which are also not what OP has asked for. Found the white knight. Wait..... The world is not ever as black and white as it seems. 
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4000
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:26:00 -
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Cebraio wrote: Because continuing a pointless discussion with you would equal to good posting, right? I rather be a bad poster then.
No, continuing your silly nonsense would be bad. Its a bad reflection on the otherwise good work your Alliance does to sweep away rubbish like your poasts. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4000
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:27:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:
Exactly how far is a lightyear? I assume it is one jump
Uh huh. And this is a sensible, non-idiotic question that cant be looked up in seconds, quineg? "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
467
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:33:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:
Exactly how far is a lightyear? I assume it is one jump
Uh huh. And this is a sensible, non-idiotic question that cant be looked up in seconds, quineg? Irrelevant - it still makes it clear that he's asking for in-game info. |

Meiyang Lee
Game Instrument Applications
36
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Major Xadi wrote:OP was really asking how many systems distant from his present system he could scan since it's not apparent from the starmap in game UhmGǪ
You learn something new every day, thanks Tippia. 
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4001
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:36:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote: Irrelevant
Couldnt agree more lol "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Cpt Swagg
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:56:00 -
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Youre dumber than the average dumb eve player. Only you, at least, don't try to hide it.
I like you. |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3577
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:32:00 -
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Use a jump planner to figure out the distance between systems.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump http://www.eve-icsc.com/jumptools/jumpplanner.php http://eve.battleclinic.com/route_finder.php |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
2298
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:34:00 -
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Forget lightyears. How fast is a parsec and which way is Kessel? "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |

Kreaven Raines
KakingXtreme
0
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Posted - 2014.05.08 18:12:00 -
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1au= 149597870700 metres 1ly = 9454254955488000 metres |

Serene Repose
1339
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Posted - 2014.05.08 18:13:00 -
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I can't believe Tesla asked this question. This has to be a troll thread. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |

Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1304
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Posted - 2014.05.08 18:23:00 -
[49] - Quote
can we get a banana for scale ?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21599
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Posted - 2014.05.08 18:28:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:can we get a banana for scale ? Ok. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1230
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Posted - 2014.05.08 18:33:00 -
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Actually it would make more sence to use Parsec in New Eden as it is not cohereant to use the Julian Year.
TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9615
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:10:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Karen Avioras wrote:same lenght as the light travels in a year. You're welcome man Give or take gravitional distortion and the observer's perception based on the point and condition inherent in that observation. What? Light travels the same speed in all reference frames. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Meiyang Lee
Game Instrument Applications
37
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:18:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Karen Avioras wrote:same lenght as the light travels in a year. You're welcome man Give or take gravitional distortion and the observer's perception based on the point and condition inherent in that observation. What? Light travels the same speed in all reference frames.
depends on the medium it is traveling through (light in water is considerably slower than in air and that is again slower than in a vacuum, it's the principle refraction is based on), though gravitic lensing primarily changes the direction photos are travelling in, not their speed so much, though the visual effect is quite similar to refraction. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9616
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:24:00 -
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Meiyang Lee wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Karen Avioras wrote:same lenght as the light travels in a year. You're welcome man Give or take gravitional distortion and the observer's perception based on the point and condition inherent in that observation. What? Light travels the same speed in all reference frames. depends on the medium it is traveling through (light in water is considerably slower than in air and that is again slower than in a vacuum, it's the principle refraction is based on), though gravitic lensing primarily changes the direction photos are travelling in, not their speed so much, though the visual effect is quite similar to refraction. Medium is independent of reference frame. If light is traveling through water it'll still be traveling through water if I look at it standing on the shore or in a spaceship in orbit. And it'll be traveling at the same speed from both perspectives.
Gravitational lensing doesn't actually change the path of light - the light is merely following the straightest path through curved space-time, so it appears to bend because of the local curvature of space. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:27:00 -
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Meiyang Lee wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Karen Avioras wrote:same lenght as the light travels in a year. You're welcome man Give or take gravitional distortion and the observer's perception based on the point and condition inherent in that observation. What? Light travels the same speed in all reference frames. depends on the medium it is traveling through (light in water is considerably slower than in air and that is again slower than in a vacuum, it's the principle refraction is based on), though gravitic lensing primarily changes the direction photos are travelling in, not their speed so much, though the visual effect is quite similar to refraction. This is inaccurate.
Light always travels at the same speed.
When light travels through a medium, it spends time interacting with "stuff", (atoms absorbing and re-emitting) which makes it appear to be slower, while it actually isn't. |

Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
137
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:28:00 -
[56] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:... following the straightest path through curved space-time ... I like how this part often blows the minds of people.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9618
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:30:00 -
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Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Meiyang Lee wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Karen Avioras wrote:same lenght as the light travels in a year. You're welcome man Give or take gravitional distortion and the observer's perception based on the point and condition inherent in that observation. What? Light travels the same speed in all reference frames. depends on the medium it is traveling through (light in water is considerably slower than in air and that is again slower than in a vacuum, it's the principle refraction is based on), though gravitic lensing primarily changes the direction photos are travelling in, not their speed so much, though the visual effect is quite similar to refraction. This is inaccurate. Light always travels at the same speed. When light travels through a medium, it spends time interacting with "stuff", (atoms absorbing and re-emitting)which makes it appear to be slower, while it actually isn't. Yeah, this is also correct. Thank you for adding that. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4012
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:30:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Meiyang Lee wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Karen Avioras wrote:same lenght as the light travels in a year. You're welcome man Give or take gravitional distortion and the observer's perception based on the point and condition inherent in that observation. What? Light travels the same speed in all reference frames. depends on the medium it is traveling through (light in water is considerably slower than in air and that is again slower than in a vacuum, it's the principle refraction is based on), though gravitic lensing primarily changes the direction photos are travelling in, not their speed so much, though the visual effect is quite similar to refraction. Medium is independent of reference frame. If light is traveling through water it'll still be traveling through water if I look at it standing on the shore or in a spaceship in orbit. And it'll be traveling at the same speed from both perspectives. Gravitational lensing doesn't actually change the path of light - the light is merely following the straightest path through curved space-time, so it appears to bend because of the local curvature of space.
Oh ok. Sorry.
I thought that the passage of time appeared to be altered the closer to the speed of light you reached, therefore the length of time to travel the sdistance would vary depending if you were the subject or the object.
I really am trying to remember this stuff from school, so Ill take your word for it :) "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9618
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:34:00 -
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The only real difference as far as light is concerned has to do with its wavelength. If you're traveling at a very high speed towards a light source, the light you receive will have a shorter wavelength (higher frequency), and if you're traveling at a very high speed away from a light source, the light you receive has a longer wavelength (lower frequency). Blueshift and redshift, respectively.
Light coming from deeper in a gravitational well will also be redshifted, and light coming towards you from further out from the gravitational well will be blueshifted. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
138
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:45:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Oh ok. Sorry.
I thought that the passage of time appeared to be altered the closer to the speed of light you reached, therefore the length of time to travel the sdistance would vary depending if you were the subject or the object.
I really am trying to remember this stuff from school, so Ill take your word for it :) http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/22pi7o/eli5_why_does_light_travel/
This might be interesting for you.
It's not for those who believe they can read things and understand it immediately.
Great read.
A relevant part regarding time dilation:
Quote:By the way, this is why time dilation happens: something that's moving very fast relative to you is moving through space, but since they can only travel through spacetime at c, they have to be moving more slowly through time to compensate (from your point of view). |
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
533
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:58:00 -
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Picture
The picture is from a jump planner for a jump from Pelille to Vlillirier. The jump planer says this is a distance of 9.26 light years.
Hope this gives an idea of the distance a light year covers. |

James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
114
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:59:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:I can't believe Tesla asked this question. This has to be a troll thread. Well, I did ask and this is not a troll thread (at least on my part)
Anyhow, thank you to the people that helped me out, it turns out I was missing a part and I found some helpful tools for future use. Knight in battered armor
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9620
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Posted - 2014.05.08 20:03:00 -
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Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Oh ok. Sorry.
I thought that the passage of time appeared to be altered the closer to the speed of light you reached, therefore the length of time to travel the sdistance would vary depending if you were the subject or the object.
I really am trying to remember this stuff from school, so Ill take your word for it :) http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/22pi7o/eli5_why_does_light_travel/This might be interesting for you. It's not for those who believe they can read things and understand it immediately. Great read. A relevant part regarding time dilation: Quote:By the way, this is why time dilation happens: something that's moving very fast relative to you is moving through space, but since they can only travel through spacetime at c, they have to be moving more slowly through time to compensate (from your point of view). That actually clarified things significantly for me as well. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Evelyn Meiyi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2014.05.08 20:28:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:
Exactly how far is a lightyear? I assume it is one jump
Uh huh. And this is a sensible, non-idiotic question that cant be looked up in seconds, quineg?
I'd expect a mech pilot to be polite, instead of bickering like a six-year-old. Quiaff? |

Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
70
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:05:00 -
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Ok guys some of this is basic physics, some of this other stuff that was touched upon borders into Quantum mechanics.
Light travels at 186,000 miles per second. A light year is the distance light will travel in one year.
An A. U. is the distance between the Earth and the Sun, that's about 93 million miles. I believe it takes about 8 to 9 minutes for light to travel from the Sun to the Earth.
In Eve a ship can make a jump much farther than one A.U.
In a vacuum, light travels at the same speed, until it passes thru something that slows down the different colors that "white" light is made of. Red light travels more quickly (thru glass) than does violet light. When light passes thru a prism, the white light is broken down into all it's colors. ( a rainbow)
If there is a star behind a black hole in space, it's light sometimes can be seen as the gravitational forces of the black hole bend that light. (Sky and Telescope Mag. has some pictures.)
Could say more, but I've said too much. Science is just cool, and EVE tries to actually use some of it.
-Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9631
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:16:00 -
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1 AU is about 8.32 light minutes (.32 minutes ~= 19 seconds). As said earlier, light doesn't travel slower in a medium, what happens is that it's absorbed (photon energy excites a valence electron in the material) and re-emitted some time later (excited electron releases its energy in the form of a photon to return to the base energy state). And again, light doesn't actually bend. Light always travels in a straight path. The space that the light is traveling through is curved. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:27:00 -
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James hope you didn't think I was saying your wrong, because I wasn't.
"A gravitational lens refers to a distribution of plates (such as a cluster of galaxies) between a distant source (a background galaxy) and an observer, that is capable of bending (lensing) the light from the source, as it travels towards the observer. This effect is known as gravitational lensing and is one of the predictions of Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity."
"Spacetime around a massive object (such as a galaxy cluster or a black hole) is curved, and as a result light rays from a background source (such as a galaxy) propagating through spacetime are bent. The lensing effect can magnify and distort the image of the background source."
"Unlike an optical lens, maximum 'bending' occurs closest to, and minimum 'bending' furthest from, the center of a gravitational lens. Consequently, a gravitational lens has no single focal point, but a focal line instead. If the (light) source, the massive lensing object, and the observer lie in a straight line, the original light source will appear as a ring around the massive lensing object. If there is any misalignment the observer will see an arc segment instead."
I remember seeing a great picture of this in S&T, but I could find the article. I wanted to copy and paste what was said, and to be on the safe side, I'm quoting from another source.
In all, it's a great discussion.
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there. |

Kryxal
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
9
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Posted - 2014.05.09 02:24:00 -
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James Nikolas Tesla wrote:Well, I did ask and this is not a troll thread (at least on my part)
Anyhow, thank you to the people that helped me out, it turns out I was missing a part and I found some helpful tools for future use.
Remote Sensing isn't worth much, by the way ... you might as well just go to the system and look. If it's low-sec, take a covops. Assuming you're doing this for PI, any planet you place a command center on is effectively range 0 anyway. |

Sir Substance
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
649
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Posted - 2014.05.09 03:46:00 -
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1 lightyear is 3.066x10^17 attoparsecs, or 5.559x10^15 smoots.
I hope this clears up the issue for you. The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
723
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Posted - 2014.05.09 03:54:00 -
[70] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:1 AU is about 8.32 light minutes (.32 minutes ~= 19 seconds). As said earlier, light doesn't travel slower in a medium, what happens is that it's absorbed (photon energy excites a valence electron in the material) and re-emitted some time later (excited electron releases its energy in the form of a photon to return to the base energy state). And again, light doesn't actually bend. Light always travels in a straight path. The space that the light is traveling through is curved.
Regardless of the process involved, they slowed it down to effectively travel at 38 mph in some sort of supercooled gas back in the 90's no idea if there was any progress on that record.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1999/02.18/light.html |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9639
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Posted - 2014.05.09 03:58:00 -
[71] - Quote
They can stop it entirely now. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Cebraio
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
405
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Posted - 2014.05.09 09:22:00 -
[72] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:They can stop it entirely now. The article for five year olds: http://www.geekosystem.com/light-trapped/
Also contains a link to a more detailed article and the actual paper. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
379
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Posted - 2014.05.09 11:17:00 -
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This is one thing I actually wished they would add to the map somehow. A light year is not one jump though. Some gates will jump you 8 light years and some 1/10th it just varies. The only sure fire way to know is grab a ship with a jump drive, know its current jump range, pull up the map and there ya go, you can kind of sort of estimate. You will be surprised though how many systems are under 1 light year from each other...eve is one hell of a densely packed cluster of stars. |

ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
388
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Posted - 2014.05.10 10:18:00 -
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In RL a light year is roughly a quarter way to Alpha centauri, our nearest neighbour 4.37ly You only-árealise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead. |

Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:35:00 -
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ctx2007 wrote:In RL a light year is roughly a quarter way to Alpha centauri, our nearest neighbour 4.37ly
Yes, so if you could travel at the speed off light, it would take you 4.37 years to reach Alpha Centauri. (or you could get lost in space.)
-Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5321
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Posted - 2014.05.11 02:25:00 -
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If I wanted to get to the Andromeda galaxy (approx 2.5m ly), how many jumps would I have to make in a tricked out, max skilled, jump freighter?
Mr Epeen  There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9696
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Posted - 2014.05.11 02:50:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:If I wanted to get to the Andromeda galaxy (approx 2.5m ly), how many jumps would I have to make in a tricked out, max skilled, jump freighter? Mr Epeen  Assuming 2,500,000 LY exactly: A Nomad (most fuel efficient freighter) at JDC 5 has to make 222,223 jumps, consuming about 1,687,500,000 hydrogen isotopes at JFC 5 and JF 5. You'd need a little over 1/4 of a cubic kilometer of fuel (250,000,000 m3).
An interesting exercise would be to see how many jump freighters full of fuel you'd need to get one jump freighter all the way across, but I don't feel like doing that math right now (and I'm not entirely sure how I'd set up that problem). "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
387
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Posted - 2014.05.11 05:30:00 -
[78] - Quote
OP - try New Citizens Q &A for this time of game mechanics question next time - it's a bit less of a piranha pool over there and more like swimming with dolphins. |

BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
152
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Posted - 2014.05.11 10:20:00 -
[79] - Quote
Zifrian wrote:http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+far+is+a+light+year
When I clicked on that all I saw was 2 Donkey's and a farm girl... |

Bob Maths
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2014.05.11 11:31:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:1 AU is about 8.32 light minutes (.32 minutes ~= 19 seconds). As said earlier, light doesn't travel slower in a medium, what happens is that it's absorbed (photon energy excites a valence electron in the material) and re-emitted some time later (excited electron releases its energy in the form of a photon to return to the base energy state). And again, light doesn't actually bend. Light always travels in a straight path. The space that the light is traveling through is curved.
Not necessarily correct and we're arguing pedantics here.
Light doesn't excite exclusively valence electrons, as valence electrons are ones of the highest energy state, requiring the least energy to be emitted and are absorbed if the photon is of the hf to release the electron. The photoelectric effect tells us that the energy of the photon only needs to be greater than the difference of next energy state to the highest energy state for emission to occur.
As most mediums compared to the path of trajectory of a photon is virtually non-existent if it is opaque. The speed of light c is derived from Maxwell's equations (as all physicists should know) and is ultimately the inverse square root of the product of the permeability and permittivity of free space. However, that is free space. All mediums other than free space (a vacuum) have a refractive index which is a proportional increase of what the speed of light in the medium needs be multiplied by to become c. So as a result the permeability and permittivity of any other medium will reduce the speed to v, a percentage of c.
Light doesn't bend but space does so it doesn't bend? So, a projectile doesn't bend towards the Earth, the Earth is being pulled upwards in such a fashion that the projectile appears to be bending towards it. Oh wait, anyone who does physics knows that all masses attract each other so actually that's right, if only by thousandths of the radius of a nucleon in the case of Earth-to-Projectile. Classical mechanics will tell us that the projectile follows a parabolic motion towards the surface much quicker than the Earth will rotate and adjust itself to the point of the projectile. Light does bend as the path is bent and it can only travel along spacetime which begs the nature of light.
Ion Kirst wrote: Yes, so if you could travel at the speed off light, it would take you 4.37 years to reach Alpha Centauri. (or you could get lost in space.)
-Kirst
No it would not. Relativity will tell us that it will take less 'time' for you to reach Alpha Centauri but why waste all the energy going up to the speed of light when you could just warp and get there sooner?
When considering time dilation you have to also take into account length stretching (or from your point of view, length contraction) of the object in question that is travelling to the speed of light. The reason (i imagine, not versed as much as a msci in this) is because as you travel to the speed of light you occupy all the space of the event within the time period of observation and thus you appear to be stretched.
Length contraction means that your journey will mechanically take less time from your clock than if you were to sit and observe the journey. There would be a disparity in clock time ticking.
This is one of the reasons why we can observe muons at ground level and also how matter from the start of the universe are only just arriving here.
To answer the main post if it hasn't been answered already: 9.4605284 +ù 10^15 m in standard form which is 9.4 trillion (or billion if you like the long scale) km, so think travelling for 6 hours at 3 AUs |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21664
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Posted - 2014.05.11 11:58:00 -
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Obligatory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQnHTKZBTI4 GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
73
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Posted - 2014.05.11 21:09:00 -
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Good video Tippia, thanks.
Hey Einstein, (I mean Bob), for all intent and purposes, 4.3 years to get to Alpha Centauri is really close enough, especially in this instance. The idea is mute, as light speed travel is impossible. But if we could, and that's big if, getting up to light speed most likely wouldn't be instantaneous. We'd have to accelerate, and then at the other end, we'd somehow have to de-accelerate. So it may actually take more than 4.3 years.
And on light bending: The bending of light is used in many scientific journals. IE as light passed thru a prism or lens, the light is refracted or "bent". And in a lens the light comes into focus at that lenses Focal length. The light, being made up of different wavelengths, is split into those wavelengths as it passes thru a lens. Not all the wavelengths come to the same focus. So, some lenses are achromatic, and some have different indexes of refraction to minimize the color separation. Some lenses are doublets or triplets to help with the color correction. (Optics 101)
-Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there. |
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