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Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:13:00 -
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The CSM8 minutes are getting published 3-5 months after the discussions occurred, and long after CCP themselves have announced their direction for the next expansion based on the CSM discussion. They've had both of their sessions before the first sessions' minutes have been published.
CSM8 1st session August 2013 -> published 2 Feb 2014 CSM8 2nd session Jan 2014 -> published 11 April 2014
This is why nobody knows what effect the CSM has. |

Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
393
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:14:00 -
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was a shame there wasn't 800 votes there to help swing the vote in one person's favor
or even a tenth of that really |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2624
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:17:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Jayem See wrote: I may be misunderstanding, certainly not an unheard of occurence, but if their objective was just to get Core into the CSM then they succeeded.
Even if every other vote they could have taken was wasted, it's still mission success for them. No?
if I give you three boxes filled with money and you trip and drop one into the river because you tied your shoelaces to each other by mistake, you've still got two boxes of money but that doesn't change that you lost an entire box full of money by being unable to tie your shoelaces
But I still have two boxes of money right? Thanks.
My lost votes are fine with me as I didn't care massively about them. Also - nobody else told me how to use them. My 8 votes were used how I saw fit. Aaaaaaand relax. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21627
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:20:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Now, wonder what the cause was from the following choices:
a. CCP completely bungled the entire "get out the vote" concept to new players (love the huge chunk of new accounts created for the vote, wonder how many will be active next month?) b. As Malcanis, mynnna, and the rest of the cartel propaganda team suggests, I, the lone high sec champion, managed to suppress the vote, with my posting of dead accurate analysis of what CCP and the cartels are doing with Eve. c. The majority of the player base, high sec, recognized the direction the game is heading, realized the futility of voting and didn't. d. All of the above. So what you're saying is that you, personally, is responsible for what will happen to highsec in the year to come since you did your best to ensure that it is being represented as little as possible?
Good work man. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2970
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:22:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jayem See wrote: I may be misunderstanding, certainly not an unheard of occurence, but if their objective was just to get Core into the CSM then they succeeded.
Even if every other vote they could have taken was wasted, it's still mission success for them. No?
if I give you three boxes filled with money and you trip and drop one into the river because you tied your shoelaces to each other by mistake, you've still got two boxes of money but that doesn't change that you lost an entire box full of money by being unable to tie your shoelaces But I still have two boxes of money right? Thanks. My lost votes are fine with me as I didn't care massively about them. Also - nobody else told me how to use them. My 8 votes were used how I saw fit.
Yup.
Ignore the goon spin doctors.
I voted for 8 people, even ones I disliked, but felt would counter the cartel control of the CSM. I could only find 8 of the 14 that I could stomach, and even then, I knew some were highly sympathetic to other concepts I find abhorrent.
So if you see only 1 person you want on the ballot, and the rest you hate, then vote for the one, and you will be able to sleep at night. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:23:00 -
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should have uplifted some better candidates then
it is hardly our fault that the rest of eve is utterly incapable of grade-school level organization
and that is a pretty generous light to put our organization in |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2624
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:26:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jayem See wrote: I may be misunderstanding, certainly not an unheard of occurence, but if their objective was just to get Core into the CSM then they succeeded.
Even if every other vote they could have taken was wasted, it's still mission success for them. No?
if I give you three boxes filled with money and you trip and drop one into the river because you tied your shoelaces to each other by mistake, you've still got two boxes of money but that doesn't change that you lost an entire box full of money by being unable to tie your shoelaces But I still have two boxes of money right? Thanks. My lost votes are fine with me as I didn't care massively about them. Also - nobody else told me how to use them. My 8 votes were used how I saw fit. Yup. Ignore the goon spin doctors. I voted for 8 people, even ones I disliked, but felt would counter the cartel control of the CSM. I could only find 8 of the 14 that I could stomach, and even then, I knew some were highly sympathetic to other concepts I find abhorrent. So if you see only 1 person you want on the ballot, and the rest you hate, then vote for the one, and you will be able to sleep at night.
Oh dear - please don't agree with me! Don't want that on my copy-book!
Holy **** Dinsdale - I have enough trouble.
Edit: My view is very different from Din's Aaaaaaand relax. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21628
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:26:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I voted for 8 people, even ones I disliked, but felt would counter the cartel control of the CSM. GǪso you're saying that the CSM matters and that GÇ£the majority of the player base, high secGÇ¥ did a very stupid thing by incorrectly assuming that it's futile to vote? And you're suggesting that this is your fault? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6402
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:29:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Voting is a lot of work and it's pretty hard. it is when they're asking you to pick 14 people. i literally got to about 6 or 7 candidates and went "oh **** it, i can't be bothered" hit submit, and didn't bother logging in to vote on my alts. Picking 14 isn't required, you know. You pick up to 14. The "not filling in your ballot" mockery that Weaselior is engaging in is directed at the Provibloc folks, the vast majority of which put Corebloodbrothers and literally no one else down. e with numbers: 2944 people listed Core as their first pick. 1736 of them listed no one else. By the end of the election over 800 of those votes transferred their way off into the void instead of doing anything. What's there to mock? Is that in someway a problem for the system? I don't think it's a problem for the people who voted, since they got what they wanted in this case. I tried the website where you compare candidates and found a total of 2 who might be pushing for things that had major positive impact on my gameplay. Rest were mainly interested in pushing things, that are irrelevant to me or just had unacceptable views on the game in general. Out of those 2 people one got in and I'm pleased. I vote simply because I want to see a specific person or persons on the CSM. The system on the other hand seems to be designed for a more nuanced and manipulative voting in mind, but surely the simplistic for someone -voting isn't a problem for it. It just doesn't take advantage of all the opportunities to manipulate the end result to your liking. |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2624
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:34:00 -
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DSQ - I would say that is a perfect example of the system working as intended. One focus and a result.
I don't think Provi voted giving a turd about anyone else. Despite Weaselior thinking that the rest mattered - it doesn't - Provi achieved their aim and have a CSM.
Do I care? Not much. Do I care about the people I voted for - yep.
Aaaaaaand relax. |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7334
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:35:00 -
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i was going to explain more why you're all nuts but i then realized that i want you to stay this way so i will agree that you did exactly the right thing, thanks buddies Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2972
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I voted for 8 people, even ones I disliked, but felt would counter the cartel control of the CSM. GǪso you're saying that the CSM matters and that Gǣthe majority of the player base, high secGǥ did a very stupid thing by incorrectly assuming that it's futile to vote? And you're suggesting that this is your fault?
I don't go down logical sink holes with you. You have implied many times that the cartels don't even exist.
Find someone else to troll. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2624
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:38:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:i was going to explain more why you're all nuts but i then realized that i want you to stay this way so i will agree that you did exactly the right thing, thanks buddies
Lol - run out of arguments so will just say I am right.
Good work. Aaaaaaand relax. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2972
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:39:00 -
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Oh, and BTW, will see the total votes as a percentage of the total sub base? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Dave Stark
5438
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:39:00 -
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if i understand it properly, the point was that provi "wasted" 800 votes, and when people missed out by 79 votes... that 800 could have had a substantial impact upon the results. if provi are fine with that, power to them but 800 votes is still a significant amount. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21628
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:41:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I don't go down logical sink holes with you. True enough. You dive head-long down them all on your own. I'm just trying to figure out what kind of pretzel-logic made you take that leap.
You do realise the contradiction of what you're saying right? That on the one hand, there's the (mythical) GÇ£cartel controlGÇ¥ of CSM needs to be countered, and on the other hand, that it is futile to vote for the CSM.
Quote:You have implied many times that the cartels don't even exist. You have failed on every occasion to show that they do. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:41:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:i was going to explain more why you're all nuts but i then realized that i want you to stay this way so i will agree that you did exactly the right thing, thanks buddies Lol - run out of arguments so will just say I am right. Good work. when your argument is "i was being willfully obtuse due to laziness and/or mental defect" then we are more than happy to let you be right |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2624
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:44:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:i was going to explain more why you're all nuts but i then realized that i want you to stay this way so i will agree that you did exactly the right thing, thanks buddies Lol - run out of arguments so will just say I am right. Good work. when your argument is "i was being willfully obtuse due to laziness and/or mental defect" then we are more than happy to let you be right
I didn't mean me smartypants.  Aaaaaaand relax. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7334
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:48:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:i was going to explain more why you're all nuts but i then realized that i want you to stay this way so i will agree that you did exactly the right thing, thanks buddies Lol - run out of arguments so will just say I am right. Good work. you were right, I was wrong to criticize your voting strategy
please accept my apology and inform everyone else that you were correct Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2624
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:51:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:i was going to explain more why you're all nuts but i then realized that i want you to stay this way so i will agree that you did exactly the right thing, thanks buddies Lol - run out of arguments so will just say I am right. Good work. you were right, I was wrong to criticize your voting strategy please accept my apology and inform everyone else that you were correct
Carry on being told how to vote by someone else and realise that this is just a game. Aaaaaaand relax. |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7334
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:52:00 -
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Jayem See wrote: Carry on being told how to vote by someone else and realise that this is just a game.
you are right
all, i was wrong to suggest you should vote for more than one person. please accept my sincere apologies, and i hope you vote according to your view of strategy next year and not mine
sincerely, weaselior Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |

Dave Stark
5438
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:52:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:i was going to explain more why you're all nuts but i then realized that i want you to stay this way so i will agree that you did exactly the right thing, thanks buddies Lol - run out of arguments so will just say I am right. Good work. you were right, I was wrong to criticize your voting strategy please accept my apology and inform everyone else that you were correct Carry on being told how to vote by someone else and realise that this is just a game.
might want to realise it's a multiplayer game where working together is something to be embraced, not snubbed. |

Two step
Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred
4631
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:54:00 -
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If those 1736 Provi voters literally had no opinion/the same opinion on anyone else running for the CSM, their votes were fine. Of course, that is total nonsense, and if they were actually thinking about things they would have realized that folks like Ali Aras or perhaps Mike Azariah or someone actually would represent their playstyles better than Xenuria and filled in their ballots.
Of course then said uninformed voters show up in the thread and act all proud about being uninformed, so shine on you crazy diamonds. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2626
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:57:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Jayem See wrote: Carry on being told how to vote by someone else and realise that this is just a game.
you are right all, i was wrong to suggest you should vote for more than one person. please accept my sincere apologies, and i hope you vote according to your view of strategy next year and not mine sincerely, weaselior
Not entirely sure how we ended up in an internet crapfest.
I voted for the folks that I cared about. Mynnna was one of them - I didn't vote for your top candidate as bragging isn't my thing.
I didn't feel strongly enough about the other candidates to vote negatively. Sorry. (Am not sorry.)
Aaaaaaand relax. |

Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
22
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:13:00 -
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Would it be possible to get the breakdown of subscribers by country? I believe that was included in previous dev blogs related to CSM results. It's just interesting to see how the votes were cast based on the total demographic. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3347
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:17:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jayem See wrote: Carry on being told how to vote by someone else and realise that this is just a game.
you are right all, i was wrong to suggest you should vote for more than one person. please accept my sincere apologies, and i hope you vote according to your view of strategy next year and not mine sincerely, weaselior Not entirely sure how we ended up in an internet crapfest. I voted for the folks that I cared about. Mynnna was one of them - I didn't vote for your top candidate as bragging isn't my thing. I didn't feel strongly enough about the other candidates to vote negatively. Sorry. (Am not sorry.) Totally sounds like you missed the point of everything that was said, but ah well.
The point seems to be that people who chose to vote for a single individual could have used at least some of their other voting slots to vote for people who they wanted after the first, or failing that, opposition to people who they don't want. They was STV work, the votes cascade when full, so if the person you vote in 1st place makes it in, you listing 13 other people won't affect that in the slightest, but what it will mean is that more excess votes will filter down the vote afterwards.
So if you wanted only 1 person and no other people you cared about either way, then voting with just 1 vote is fine. In all other cases there are smarter ways to play your votes. Now nobody is saying that you personally can't vote however you want. You can wipe your ass with the ballot for all I care, but as a group, there were smarter ways for it to be played. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
666
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:24:00 -
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I should've campaigned harder :P I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I-- THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/asayanami Twitter: https://twitter.com/Asayanami
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Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2626
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:30:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jayem See wrote: Carry on being told how to vote by someone else and realise that this is just a game.
you are right all, i was wrong to suggest you should vote for more than one person. please accept my sincere apologies, and i hope you vote according to your view of strategy next year and not mine sincerely, weaselior Not entirely sure how we ended up in an internet crapfest. I voted for the folks that I cared about. Mynnna was one of them - I didn't vote for your top candidate as bragging isn't my thing. I didn't feel strongly enough about the other candidates to vote negatively. Sorry. (Am not sorry.) Totally sounds like you missed the point of everything that was said, but ah well. The point seems to be that people who chose to vote for a single individual could have used at least some of their other voting slots to vote for people who they wanted after the first, or failing that, opposition to people who they don't want. They was STV work, the votes cascade when full, so if the person you vote in 1st place makes it in, you listing 13 other people won't affect that in the slightest, but what it will mean is that more excess votes will filter down the vote afterwards. So if you wanted only 1 person and no other people you cared about either way, then voting with just 1 vote is fine. In all other cases there are smarter ways to play your votes. Now nobody is saying that you personally can't vote however you want. You can wipe your ass with the ballot for all I care, but as a group, there were smarter ways for it to be played.
You are cute when you are angry.
I seem to be missing something from Weasel - he refuses to tell me what it is yet.
I DID vote how I wanted - as stated many posts ago. The not using my last 6 votes was a comment in itself. FFS - why is it so hard to realise that voting in an STV system (when not in a bloc) can work out both ways? Aaaaaaand relax. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3348
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:41:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:You are cute when you are angry.
I seem to be missing something from Weasel - he refuses to tell me what it is yet.
I DID vote how I wanted - as stated many posts ago. The not using my last 6 votes was a comment in itself. FFS - why is it so hard to realise that voting in an STV system (when not in a bloc) can work out both ways? Yup, I'm super mad. Grrrr, and all that.
And it's great that you voted how you wanted. When you are suddenly representative of everybody, let me know. the point is there are a lot of people who vote by saying "I want that one person", then don;t finish their ballots. They don't realise they can use the rest of their votes without affecting their first vote, possibly even thinking a sole vote has more weight than a full ballot. Realistically people can vote not only for people but against others. Exhausting your vote is not a way to do that, it's a way of you pulling out completely, leaving the rest of the vote up to the full ballot bloc voters, so thanks for that I suppose. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1383
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:49:00 -
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I'd hope Ireland isnt being classed as part of the United Kingdom. |
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