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Monclair
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:16:00 -
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About Eve-Guardains reports..
They got this backwards.. Probally a typo.. But god only knows.
"There are even rumors of a Bestower bearing Blueprints belonging to Stain Alliance members being lost, during an earlier incursion by the so-called "Curse" Alliance. Representatives of the "Curse" Alliance have denied any knowledge of its destruction. Given the boastful nature, and the quickness to gloat on either side of the conflict, this reporter suggests the Stain Alliance to look elsewhere for their missing Blueprints."
"Blueprints belonging to Stain Alliance members " I belive they meant to say Curse Alliance in that part. But then again, one of yah Curse guys say it wasnt you but and indepentant. So whatever.
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Yuen
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:16:00 -
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Damn I wasn't there... I'll try next time :(
Jokers
Jokers : Outnumbered !
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:18:00 -
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I only want to say : GOOD JOB CA !!!!
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Anubis iv
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:21:00 -
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This threads funnier than the last one with comments like this:
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Please take into consideration our forces were jumping into theirs. They already had their drones out and were on top of the jump in area. We we so lagged at first that we were damaged before our magnetic fields were realigned. Also, you had ships logged off hiding your numbers. Very cleaver but pretty shadey
Well how about considering you were attacking your meant to be prepared for this kind of thing obviously CA are going to be in a defensive position they were "defending"  As for logging off i logged off with alot of others.
We took a fleet to stain killed all of the MASS and anyother SA peeps we came across on the way then sat in stain unchallenged for what must have been near 2 hours we entered the system and had some solar wind peeps and Lord Zith and some other dude say "pod all noobs on sight if the dont identify themselfs" yes spelt just like that. Funny because those noobs made everyone apart from themselves go running to a station and talk smack about SA is coming for you crap fo over an hour. Needless to say with no Sa comign to get us alot of us logged off or went home and logged off.
Then when SA finally desides its big enough it came to challenge CA and yes since CA was in curse and defending they were in a defensive position and those who hadlogged off and were still in contact did log back on i for one wasnt sadly.
All in all its turned out like all the other realistic battles beween CA and SA.
We lost a scorp on that one thats a major accomplishment for you guys in SA the last scorp you killed was 8 vs 1 and before that it was the same guys bestower you killed 7 vs 1  So thats 2 battleship losses for us and nearer 20 for you.
But oh well keep killing those convoys and eventually one might belong to CA and then you can claim you've killed more unarmed indies than we have 
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Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:38:00 -
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I've been at every CA defense fleet except for the one tonight, as I was one of the reinforements that "logged on" (I actually came in from behind the SA fleet). At none of them was the cargo can trick used.
We usually have 1 or 2 for forces to gather at which is obviously no big deal. We use drones, but everyone who PVP's uses drones, so I don't think we can be called "exploiters" for that.
As for mining drones, I've seen one ship in the many I've worked with use that and I was vocal in my criticism, but he claimed they were useful as a shield against missiles. Even if he was, in fact, doing it solely for the reason to create lag, that's one in several hundred alliance members.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:49:00 -
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I watched as CA forces more then 2 to 1 their favor moved down the chain of stain. Yes it was just prior to the unscheduled downtime however I guess they felt it prudent to return to curse rather then face us on our turf.
The SA forces moved up into curse. We split into 2 groups with 9 of us in a forward group that waited for nearly an hour while the 18-19 CA in the next system would not advance on our position. How daring...
Finally the word was given for the rear forces to advance and form up to assault their entrenched system. We knew exactly what they would pull. Not once was it suggested to camp the "jump in" incase they rallied the courage to advance on our position.
It was decided that we would assault their lagfest camping spot regardless of losses if for no other reason then to show them how true warriors fight with honor.
The results were actually better then we had anticipated. Even with the force being split in two upon sytem entry and delayed regrouping due to the dead space of the battleground we pressed the attack for a considerable time.
When the smoke cleared 3 enemy vessels were witnessed in control of the scene. The others were either destroyed or fled the battlefield to lick wounds. This may be the reason for conflicting loss reports. It is possible they had withdrawn but who cares. CA took the day and SA displayed the courage and boldness of action that the CA has yet to display. We thoroughly enjoyed the encounter, there will be many more in the coming days...
One last note: If the enemy claims they do not use the drones, canisters, mines and the delay of jump in as an exploit then why do they not have the courage to entrench at a gate or station, or god forbid... a planet. Is the warp in delay not enough of an advantage for your valiant warriors?
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Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:00:00 -
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The forces you are speaking of before the unscheduled down time were in response to gathered forces that seem to be coming from Stain. Unless you consider U-Q to be SA property, we never actually entered Stain.
I must admit, you did have balls jumping into a jump-in point blockade. The main reason it was used is because right now, EVE game mechanics make it the best defensive formation, and the CCP represenitive on the scene assured both our sides that this kind of formation is not considered an exploit. I agree that it gives defenders too much of advantage, but keep in mind that attackers can have surprise to their advantage, though you lost it since you took too long to actually come and attack.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 23/09/2003 12:03:31
TRUTH PATROL ON TEH MOVE!!
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The SA forces moved up into curse. We split into 2 groups with 9 of us in a forward group that waited for nearly an hour while the 18-19 CA in the next system would not advance on our position. How daring...
You guys had more than that, we were watching you. Anyways, you wouldn't move on us, nor would we move on you. You advanced towards us, not us towards you. You were retaliating on us for our attack on Stain. You guys advanced to within 4 jumps of U-QVWD, but never advanced further. We got bored and headed back to HLW-HP, and your forces withdrew as well.
Proof
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Finally the word was given for the rear forces to advance and form up to assault their entrenched system. We knew exactly what they would pull. Not once was it suggested to camp the "jump in" incase they rallied the courage to advance on our position.
The attack never came until we moved back to HLW-HP and most of us logged off, only when we did not have many pilots online did you bother to advance for a second time.
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It was decided that we would assault their lagfest camping spot regardless of losses if for no other reason then to show them how true warriors fight with honor.
More like you attacked us because most of us had logged off and you have a 2:1 advantage, but this was not enough, as your forces were routed and destroyed.
Good day.
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Arud
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:10:00 -
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about the mining drone and secure canister accusation, doesnt anyone have a screenshot of that?
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:21:00 -
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As far as the mining drones go, it is possible they were out there. Yet, it is a known fact that one of our guys had to get there asap after he logged in he only had ogre drones and MINING LASERS on his Armageddon. Yet, those drones did manage to kill some ships. He quite possibly had some mining drones deployed without knowing it as it is rather easy to "select all" and deploy. As if a few mining drones caused you to lose. It was your obvious lack of skill. Our forces were fully prepared to suffer sever losses in the battle against 2:1 odds.
If I see one more whine about the jump in point I will be forced to post what your invited GM had to say about it. He was there after all and he watched the battle go down. Any way you spin it you just had your Waterloo. Deal with it.
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UnIQu3
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:22:00 -
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When do u guys learn that 7 bs can replaced in matter of days... 2 days max! so what i can tell... all ships have been replaced... is it a so big victory for a corp losing 7 battleship that they allmost have on stockpile...
Well for one... i dont believe these storys... some of them can be the truth.. but many is very lagging... so for me.. i hold on nothing... i can only see 2 confirmed kill... crimson and civil i think :D but so much lagging...
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:24:00 -
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When do u guys learn that 7 bs can replaced in matter of days... 2 days max! so what i can tell... all ships have been replaced... is it a so big victory for a corp losing 7 battleship that they allmost have on stockpile...
Well for one... i dont believe these storys... some of them can be the truth.. but many is very lagging... so for me.. i hold on nothing... i can only see 2 confirmed kill... crimson and civil i think :D but so much lagging...
Haha, what do we have here? Yet again the common retort from our good friends in Stain.
"It's okay we get our asses kicked all over the galaxy, we're rich!"
Give it up, man.
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Thalen Mort
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:30:00 -
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I was not present at the final battle but was there at earlier skirmishes...
Is the CA accounting for the 2 Scorpion Class Battleships destroyed in GE-8 by Solar Wind member Thirdstorm as part of their losses?
or is it just the final battle that the kill count is for?
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:31:00 -
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When do u guys learn that 7 bs can replaced in matter of days... 2 days max! so what i can tell... all ships have been replaced... is it a so big victory for a corp losing 7 battleship that they allmost have on stockpile...
Well for one... i dont believe these storys... some of them can be the truth.. but many is very lagging... so for me.. i hold on nothing... i can only see 2 confirmed kill... crimson and civil i think :D but so much lagging...
So what your saying is your subpar combat skills are a result of your wealth? Well, give him credit I havent heard that excuss yet.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:32:00 -
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I was not present at the final battle but was there at earlier skirmishes...
Is the CA accounting for the 2 Scorpion Class Battleships destroyed in GE-8 by Solar Wind member Thirdstorm as part of their losses?
or is it just the final battle that the kill count is for?
Which corp? All our forces were in 0SHT-A.
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Thalen Mort
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:37:00 -
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At least one was a RUS Member. The other I am not certain....
This was right after ccp shut down and brought up the server.
Both parties forces were a bit scattered at that point in time as CA or SA did not have time to withdraw/deply fully in the time limit CCP gave for server shutdown.
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Rust
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:39:00 -
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I wasn't there - have no idea what happened. However, it seems that large fleet battles have turned into the two forces waiting at jump in point at systems next to each other. You wait for hours, then one side gets bored and jumps in - and as was always expected, gets wiped out.
Until people jump 100k away, or at random points, I feel these fights are pointless. It looks like SA got hammered this time, and whoever jumps next time will also get hammered. So I hope SA have learned to wait for hours and hours for other side to jump, or log off and play something more interesting.
Does anyone have the answer to jumping into 30 ships with drones and ... errmm - navigation CCs out? Or do we read books while we fight as well as when we mine.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:41:00 -
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I'll return the coutesy of polite disagreement. Your "proof" means nothing as it was never said you didnt camp o**** (pet name) for a period of time. There were skirmishes witin stain with some advance CA forces and they were routed. Maybe your alliance wasn't fully aware of the position of many of it's "friends".
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The attack never came until we moved back to HLW-HP and most of us logged off, only when we did not have many pilots online did you bother to advance for a second time.
Actually we had 9 pilots waiting one jump from VOL for an hour while your forces were 17-19 in VOL. CA forces wouldnt advance even though our rear forces were 5 jumps behind and holding. There is no doubt of this and these numbers are very accurate.
When we saw that the fearless CA would not advance on such a numerically inferior force we decided to bring up the rear force and proceed with a full frontal assault. By the time we formed and came at you the numbers were close to even although we expected you had reinforcements which of course titlted the numbers back in your favor. Of course numbers are nearly irrelevent with a lag beast conjured to your aid.
Rest assured that CA will have no choice but to meet us on a more even battlefield without your courageous shield of lag.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:42:00 -
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People are getting this confused. We battled all day long. Those were small scale. This thread is about the battle in Vol a few hours before downtime.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:43:00 -
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I can verify that that convoy did not belong to CA because I talked to the CEO of the corp that lost it. It was some non-allied corp that just got caught in the middle, I'm sad to say.
Would it be safe to say that they have since applied for membership? 
Convert Stations
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:52:00 -
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I can verify that that convoy did not belong to CA because I talked to the CEO of the corp that lost it. It was some non-allied corp that just got caught in the middle, I'm sad to say.
Would it be safe to say that they have since applied for membership?
It actually shows their (SA) utter disregard for innocent bystanders. They seem to be moving towards piracy.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.09.23 13:01:00 -
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I'll return the coutesy of polite disagreement. Your "proof" means nothing as it was never said you didnt camp o**** (pet name) for a period of time. There were skirmishes witin stain with some advance CA forces and they were routed. Maybe your alliance wasn't fully aware of the position of many of it's "friends".
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The attack never came until we moved back to HLW-HP and most of us logged off, only when we did not have many pilots online did you bother to advance for a second time.
Actually we had 9 pilots waiting one jump from VOL for an hour while your forces were 17-19 in VOL. CA forces wouldnt advance even though our rear forces were 5 jumps behind and holding. There is no doubt of this and these numbers are very accurate.
When we saw that the fearless CA would not advance on such a numerically inferior force we decided to bring up the rear force and proceed with a full frontal assault. By the time we formed and came at you the numbers were close to even although we expected you had reinforcements which of course titlted the numbers back in your favor. Of course numbers are nearly irrelevent with a lag beast conjured to your aid.
Rest assured that CA will have no choice but to meet us on a more even battlefield without your courageous shield of lag.
Its a date.
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2003.09.23 13:24:00 -
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DAMNIT!!! I can't believe i missed it. Oh well, gj guys and nice fight. Hats off to stain for jumping in, hopefully ill get in the next battle :)
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Anubis iv
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Posted - 2003.09.23 14:47:00 -
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Lets all chip in and buy SA a few new excuses.
Aso comments like these comming from SA are just outright contradicting to their previous actions
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It was decided that we would assault their lagfest camping spot regardless of losses if for no other reason then to show them how true warriors fight with honor
LOL dont you mean "defending" spot since CA as in Curse alliance were in curse and you Stain alliance werent in stain and these "true" warriors that fight with "honor" the same one which killed the convoy that wasnt even CA on the way down lol
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The results were actually better then we had anticipated
LOL you guys need help, though withthat attitude i can see us at CA are gona have alot of fun 
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SA displayed the courage and boldness of action that the CA has yet to display.
You mean the SA that hid in the stations in DSS then came running down to curse when CA moved back to log off for downtime?
oh yeah courage and boldeness i can see that not......
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There were skirmishes witin stain with some advance CA forces and they were routed.
Um i was in stain yesterday with alot of CA and all we got was smack talk off a few of your noobs lord zith and co from inside the station. The few of mass solar wind and SA that came into the surrounding systems or engaged CA in stain died rather quickly and your noobs like i said were still in the station last time i checked until CA left cursethats not routing for that you need to fight back in your own region what made CA leave stain was boredom
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When we saw that the fearless CA would not advance on such a numerically inferior force we decided to bring up the rear force and proceed with a full frontal assault
Advance? why would they want to they are "defending" they can sit there and wait your the "attackers" you needed to "advance".
With your backward logic somehow expecting attackers to sit still and defenders to advance its no wonder you keep losing all those ships.
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Rest assured that CA will have no choice but to meet us on a more even battlefield
Even battlefield you cant really expect us to think SA knows what that means. It took you 7 ships to kill a bestower then 8 ships to kill one of our bs thats 7vs1 and 8vs1 and now your complaining about even battles i dont think CA outnumbered you 7v1 or 8v1 did they?
And if it was 100vs1 in CA favour wouldn't it be your fault for "attacking" in the first place?
Fact remains you keep trying to charge into curse and then moan when you lose. How about not trying to attack a force that keeps beating you back?
Simple facts you need to understand is you can moan and make excuses all you want if CA comes into stain and kills loads of your ships and its uneven sides or we use drones or camp a jump in spot.
But if you come to curse and attack us and it all goes wrong then its your fault for coming and you just look like sore losers for making excuses.
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Archonus
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Archonus on 23/09/2003 15:15:18
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Um i was in stain yesterday with alot of CA and all we got was smack talk off a few of your noobs lord zith and co from inside the station. The few of mass solar wind and SA that came into the surrounding systems or engaged CA in stain died rather quickly and your noobs like i said were still in the station last time i checked until CA left cursethats not routing for that you need to fight back in your own region what made CA leave stain was boredom
I was not there before the server reboot so I can not account for that, however, you say you left Stain because of boredom and that we were hiding in the station in DSS. For one, they werent hiding in the station, they were waiting for you.
Two: I believe you failed to realize we had a large force gathered a couple jumps ahead (in Catch) of DSS waiting for you guys to come. Now you are contradicting yourself when you say
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Advance? why would they want to they are "defending" they can sit there and wait your the "attackers" you needed to "advance".
. We waited for you to come to us seeing YOU were the ones attacking. Now according to your little quote there, we are the ones defending, you are the attacker. YOU are the one that needs to "advance", not the other way around. I believe you guys just got scared and ran. .
"We had ga* burglars the other night. They broke in and rearranged the furniture."
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:15:00 -
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the curse propaganda is completely voided out by anything the reclaimer says. |
TerrorDactyl
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:20:00 -
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This is just too funny :-) 20 or more Stain battleships leave their region in order to attack and terrorize the good honest citizens of Curse. To their horror they discover that the good folks of Curse decide to fight back. Half the number of Curse ships kick Stains ass and then hand them back on a plate. Even funnier still is that the SA criticise the CA/CC for defending their homelands...muahahaha what a bunch of jackasses.
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sutty
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:23:00 -
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man CA spit more crap then the VA did, im going to enjoy this.
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Gunni
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:30:00 -
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DAMNIT!!! I can't believe i missed it. Oh well, gj guys and nice fight. Hats off to stain for jumping in, hopefully ill get in the next battle :)
They allways do stuff like that when i¦m sleeping.. 
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Wolfman
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:42:00 -
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These guys knew that they were overpowered and still had the courage and valor to go in charging. I do not care who you are or what group you belong to you have got to respect them. I was very impressed at the at the unanimous vote to go in. There was NO HESITATION at all despite the risk... They knew they would have losses and yet they decided to fight rather than run. Rising Sun it was fun shooting at your Tempest at the gate..then you said "I think this is my cue to leave". SA deserves the utmost respect for the balls to do what others only dream of doing.
Dust to Dust Ashes to Ashes
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