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Ptraci
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:46:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Every day we aid more corporations evade wardecs.
Maybe you start deccing real corporations in low/null sec instead of carebears in high sec and stop having these problems.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:20:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:
See above.
Once again we sit on opposite sides of the table. I have a POS anchored in high sec, amongst other things. Right now I am on the receiving end of a war dec from a PvP corp. I have no idea why they decced me, they haven't written to me, threatened me or attempted to extort anything from me.
The consequences for them? Pay a few million ISK.
The consequences for me? I've had to take down most of the modules for my POS's, online my hardeners, ECM/Neuts and guns. I have significantly altered my EVE activities and I can't do a lot of the things I did before. Freighter runs are now a no-no unless I have heavy escort. Mining is pretty much out of the question when there are war targets online.
Now, don't take this as tears - if I had really wanted to get out of it, it costs nothing to make another corp like OP said, and move everyone there. But honestly I can't be that bothered - in fact I wanted to try out some POS gunnery but it looks like that's not going to happen. However I merely want to point out that a low sec/null sec corp that declares war on a high sec corp suffers absolutely no consequences. The payment is trivial. High sec corps usually are not combat oriented. Their low sec counterpart's behavior is not going to change. On the other hand the high sec corp a) had to grind standing for god knows how long for most of its members just to be able to anchor in high sec b) is prohibited from most of its activities (hauling/mining/manufacturing/research) during war time and c) is probably in no shape to try to bring the other party to the surrender table through military force.
So really the high sec corporation has a lot more to lose than the low sec one during a war. Therefore considering it's absolutely trivial to be a major PITA to someone just by deccing them, why would you want to prevent those who really don't want to fight to try to avoid a fight? What's next - forcing people to play EVE to get shot at and not be able to quit instead of logging out and coming back once the war is over? Let the people who don't want to fight run away, and fight people who are prepared to make a stand.
I'm sitting here right now waiting for a fight, and no one shows up. So who exactly is taking advantage of game mechanics here? |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:56:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:
Welcome to eve. Your POS is not supposed to be happy-funtime immunity. Anchoring a POS is placing that POS at risk.
Oh I'm not asking for immunity at all. Anchoring in high sec protects me from capital fleets, and that's it. However there is something to be said about a PVP corp that only decs industrial corps that maybe have a drake or two somewhere in their entire ship inventory. While yes, I suppose I could put my 50+ million SP to use fighting other players, it's just not my cup of tea. You want to force a fight, and then tell me to toughen up my defenses - that's not why I play EVE. I play it for BPOs, for research, and for relaxation.
So we're back to the argument about the sandbox. Some people like to build sand castles. Some people like to kick other people's castles down. Do whatever makes you happy but if I'm in high sec, which frankly is a pain in the arse and quite limited in terms of what you can do, I have gone out of my way to be out of YOUR way. If you insist on coming after me it means that either you don't have the guts to fight people who are looking for a fight, or you just think you can extract more tears that way.
Just be careful when you kick those sand castles. Some of us actually know how to pour concrete. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:01:00 -
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mkint wrote: Defensive modules on a POS are nearly meaningless unless it's a deathstar
check
mkint wrote: and you have 5-6 active POS gunners
check
It's wasn't a death star, just an Amarr Tower with a corp hanger and ship fitting station. But now it's a death star. Too bad they won't come though, my last character just finished starbase defense management V today. :)
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
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Posted - 2011.11.17 02:51:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: People would be forced to compete with your prices on the market, but you wouldn't be forced to compete with them militarily for raw goods and freedom of movement. How would that be fair, exactly?
You make a valid point. I guess my assumption is along the lines of I am competing with other industrial type players on the market - not with PvPers who just want to blow things up.
I guess it's the age old case of "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must". What has to be understood however is that there are people who are drawn to EVE for the industrial and economic aspect and who won't fight no matter what. Screwing with the war dec mechanics and "forcing" them to fight will just result in them not playing the game at all. And then who will get picked on when all the easy targets have left? |
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