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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
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Posted - 2011.11.16 10:24:00 -
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This picture will show you exactly the step by step process on how to achieve highsec immunity from wardecs, and to save any of your towers infinitely. Your highsec towers will be completely invulnerable, no amount of wardecs will be able to destroy them, ever.
The exploit
For more information about the legality of this, visit this thread here, and see the GM ruling here.
CCP loves the mission bears, now go forth and use their exploits to enhance your gameplay. I will aid any of you with these abuses, Dec Shield will stand for the people. If you wish to promote a change to the current system of legal abuse, please give your support here.
To see a list of people we've aided with this in the past please visit our Dotlan listing. Every day we aid more corporations evade wardecs. Free Wardec Removal |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2011.11.16 10:25:00 -
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Breaking News : thread which has not been there, totally new and great. |

DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
326
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Posted - 2011.11.16 10:34:00 -
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So, Dec Shield hates the service it claims to give people? Yeah, sounds like a scam.
Change your corp to 'OUTRAEG ANGREE' or something. |

Vihura
Vihura Cor
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 10:36:00 -
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You are realy carebear if you want shot POS go to WH null or low, or wardeck all involved aliance. |

Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 10:41:00 -
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Vihura wrote:You are realy carebear if you want shot POS go to WH null or low, or wardeck all involved aliance.
Wardeccing both the dec-shield and the corp is probably beyond this scammers field of view. "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! |

March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
39
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Posted - 2011.11.16 10:46:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Breaking News : thread which has not been there, totally new and great. finally we NEED to go unsub, biomass and shoot Jita monument! |

The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
36
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Posted - 2011.11.16 10:58:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:So, Dec Shield hates the service it claims to give people? Yeah, sounds like a scam.
Change your corp to 'OUTRAEG ANGREE' or something. Raising awareness and discussion about wardecs in order to help those who cannot defend themselves is a good thing. Trying to encourage CCP to alter game mechanics to fix broken loopholes is a good thing.
No money is involved here, only information which I'm offering to you freely. How can I be a scam in any way? Honestly, how? No really, I'll wait, go ahead and explain. Free Wardec Removal |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:02:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:DarkAegix wrote:So, Dec Shield hates the service it claims to give people? Yeah, sounds like a scam.
Change your corp to 'OUTRAEG ANGREE' or something. Raising awareness and discussion about wardecs in order to help those who cannot defend themselves is a good thing. Trying to encourage CCP to alter game mechanics to fix broken loopholes is a good thing. No money is involved here, only information which I'm offering to you freely. How can I be a scam in any way? Honestly, how? No really, I'll wait, go ahead and explain.
If
why call it exploit ? |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
156
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:12:00 -
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Wardeccs need a complete overhaul, we know this, ccp know and acknowledge this. However it isnt a simple clean cut thing, so many ways it can be manipulated and abused.
Focus on a solution, not teh problem. What we need is ideas on HOW wardeccs should really work, and get it into ccps hands.
Wardeccs need stop being a tool for griefers and start being a mechanism for actual warfare. NO, hisec should NOT be safesec, but it shouldnt be a place for griefers to enjoy free griefing either. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
176
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:13:00 -
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Cannot call it an Exploit, that's illegal according to the EULA. "The GM cleared it" so it's not an exploit.
It's a broken game mechanic as described by the GM and CCP are busy with other "stuff" right now (Crucible much?) Even when they are done with Crucible, they have other more important "Stuff" to fix. When they are done fixing earlier issues (Faction Warfare springs to mind), they will "look into" finding some solution to the broken wardec mechanic. Unjtil then, it's a waste of webz time and bandwidth reposting on a subject that has already been beaten to death in a stickied post.
War should be hellish expensive anyway. 50 Mill ISK to wardec another Corp ? That's cheaper than a packet of chips. It should cost billions to finance a war. 50 Million is a joke.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
37
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:14:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
why call it exploit ?
Because for the last 3.5 years it has been an exploit.
The recent deregulation of wardec mechanics is a sloppy cover to reduce GM petitions right before their massive layoffs, not because the exploit was fixed. It's because they didn't want to bother regulating it anymore.
The spirit of the rules governing wardecs are still broken, and abused. Our primary goal is to raise awareness and affect a change in game mechanics, or GM policy. Angering lots of people by denying them otherwise legitimate war targets is a means to raise awareness. That is why we do this, that is why this is still an exploit, that is why you must know about it. Plus, my Paint skills must be acknowledged.
Free Wardec Removal |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
184
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:15:00 -
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This change with alliance dec shield is ********. Nuf said. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1150
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:15:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote: It should cost billions to finance a war. 50 Million is a joke.
It should cost billions to fight a war. Just declaring it shouldn't cost much more than the cost of a registered delivery, or maybe a taxi if you're delivering the notification by hand.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
176
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:18:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
why call it exploit ?
Because for the last 3.5 years it has been an exploit. The recent deregulation of wardec mechanics is a sloppy cover to reduce GM petitions right before their massive layoffs, not because the exploit was fixed. It's because they didn't want to bother regulating it anymore. The spirit of the rules governing wardecs are still broken, and abused. Our primary goal is to raise awareness and affect a change in game mechanics, or GM policy. Angering lots of people by denying them otherwise legitimate war targets is a means to raise awareness. That is why we do this, that is why this is still an exploit, that is why you must know about it. Plus, my Paint skills must be acknowledged.
Sounds like you're upset that it's no longer a cheap 50Mill to wage war. Yes the wardec thing is broken. Now re-read that stickied post and try figure out why they cannot do anything about it right now. Stop crying and pay the proper price for War. You're sounding a lot like a certain individual who is ex-Eve University and also went on and on and on and on and on and on about this same issue.
DEV PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
42
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:37:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote: Sounds like you're upset that it's no longer a cheap 50Mill to wage war. Yes the wardec thing is broken. Now re-read that stickied post and try figure out why they cannot do anything about it right now. Stop crying and pay the proper price for War. You're sounding a lot like a certain individual who is ex-Eve University and also went on and on and on and on and on and on about this same issue.
DEV PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD
Firstly, your tears are delicious and will be added to the ample collection we have going.
Secondly, I love how nothing in your post has any relevance to anything in this post. You seem to be rambling about dec shields, while this thread is about wardec evasion and rendering highsec towers invulnerable. The two are very different.
Thirdly, your information on wardec pricing is inaccurate. (Corp-corp wardecs start at 2mil each, Corp-Ally, or Ally-Ally start at 50mil each)
Fourthly, all tears you shed here over Eve University will be collected and sent to them in a courier contract, the collateral for yours will be especially low.
Fifth, this thread offers legitimate information and discussion about a "game feature" that we are lobbying to change. You are welcome to go down vote the proposed fixes here. Free Wardec Removal |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
144
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:46:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Every day we aid more corporations evade wardecs.
Maybe you start deccing real corporations in low/null sec instead of carebears in high sec and stop having these problems.
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
167
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:49:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:The recent deregulation of wardec mechanics is a sloppy cover to reduce GM petitions right before their massive layoffs, not because the exploit was fixed. It's because they didn't want to bother regulating it anymore.
QFT |

Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Loud On The Forums Silent In Game
10
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:02:00 -
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CCP unstickied the announcement. |

Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Loud On The Forums Silent In Game
10
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:04:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:Every day we aid more corporations evade wardecs. Maybe you start deccing real corporations in low/null sec instead of carebears in high sec and stop having these problems.
Maybe you should realise that this is part of the game.
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.11.16 13:37:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Thorn Galen wrote: It should cost billions to finance a war. 50 Million is a joke.
It should cost billions to fight a war. Just declaring it shouldn't cost much more than the cost of a registered delivery, or maybe a taxi if you're delivering the notification by hand.
I thought the wardec fee was a bribe to Concord to look the other way, no? Its not unreasonable to expect the costs to go up after so many years of ISK inflation. |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
70
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Posted - 2011.11.16 13:49:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:War should be hellish expensive anyway. 50 Mill ISK to wardec another Corp ? That's cheaper than a packet of chips. It should cost billions to finance a war. 50 Million is a joke. No one's going to declare war if it costs that much. This will create absolute safety in highsec; a ridiculous premise for EVE Online. EVE is about competition, and without being able to attack your rivals, none of their actions will have consequences. Bunch of guys come into your belt and bump your mining ships? Nothing you can do. Someone cleared out your corp hangars and started/joined a new corporation with your members' hard-earned ISK? You have no recourse. Someone keeps salvaging your mission wrecks? You can never touch him. Someone insulted your honor, and the honor of your significant other? Too bad, cuz you all be bitches.
There's a million legitimate reasons for the existence of wars in high-sec. By making them cost unreasonable sums of money, you eliminate the possibility of having them. You also essentially kill the mercenary profession, which is already barely financially viable in most high-sec situations.
Heck, even what you consider "griefing carebears," others would consider as separating the strong from the weak. Bad corporations fall apart under the pressure of conflict, while good ones go on to greatness.
Ptraci wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:Every day we aid more corporations evade wardecs. Maybe you start deccing real corporations in low/null sec instead of carebears in high sec and stop having these problems. See above. |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:50:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Firstly, your tears are delicious and will be added to the ample collection we have going. Have you collected the tears from your own OP yet? Plenty to be had there.
The war dec system needs a complete overhaul so that it stops being the grief tool it currently is. In the mean time I suggest you find other more willing targets to play with.
In the case that your fun is had with raging and upsetting people then I suggest you drown yourself in your own rage tears, figuratively speaking of course. As I said, there are plenty to be had from yourself. |

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
145
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:50:00 -
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Want to know what will solve it?
Adding system security as a modifier for all POS jobs .. suddenly all those safe towers are like high maintenance girlfriends compared to low and null towers.
Wouldn't solve the highsec grief bears desire to do his risk averse version of PvP (commonly known as PvE to real combat pilots) though, so feel free to keep crying and ignore this. |

Lharanai
Empyrean Guard
40
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:52:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:War should be hellish expensive anyway. 50 Mill ISK to wardec another Corp ? That's cheaper than a packet of chips. It should cost billions to finance a war. 50 Million is a joke. No one's going to declare war if it costs that much. This will create absolute safety in highsec; a ridiculous premise for EVE Online. EVE is about competition, and without being able to attack your rivals, none of their actions will have consequences. Bunch of guys come into your belt and bump your mining ships? Nothing you can do. Someone cleared out your corp hangars and started/joined a new corporation with your members' hard-earned ISK? You have no recourse. Someone keeps salvaging your mission wrecks? You can never touch him. Someone insulted your honor, and the honor of your significant other? Too bad, cuz you all be bitches. There's a million legitimate reasons for the existence of wars in high-sec. By making them cost unreasonable sums of money, you eliminate the possibility of having them. You also essentially kill the mercenary profession, which is already barely financially viable in most high-sec situations. Heck, even what you consider "griefing carebears," others would consider as separating the strong from the weak. Bad corporations fall apart under the pressure of conflict, while good ones go on to greatness. Ptraci wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:Every day we aid more corporations evade wardecs. Maybe you start deccing real corporations in low/null sec instead of carebears in high sec and stop having these problems. See above.
Yeah sure, high sec is sooo safe and wardecs are not broken, thats why I spent now most of my time in low and WH its so much safer (and I am serious about that).
Wardec in combination with station games and neutral RR are broken and a playground for carebear griefers.
P.s. In my definition carebear girefing is not pvp as they don't risk anything, nevermind I enjoy WHs and low sec, cloaky is my friend :) Touch my **** and I will **** your **** with an rusty **** and **** into your ****, and then I will **** your **** until you ******************** |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
71
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:57:00 -
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I never said it wasn't broken. I only said that the ability to be able to physically hurt other players in high-sec is a necessity. |

March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
39
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:44:00 -
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Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:Ptraci wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:Every day we aid more corporations evade wardecs. Maybe you start deccing real corporations in low/null sec instead of carebears in high sec and stop having these problems. Maybe you should realise that this is part of the game. technically you can exit from your room throught window. Will you? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1510
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:07:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: There's a million legitimate reasons for the existence of wars in high-sec. By making them cost unreasonable sums of money, you eliminate the possibility of having them. You also essentially kill the mercenary profession, which is already barely financially viable in most high-sec situations.
GǪand the problem with the deregulation of this exploit isn't that it alters the cost of wardecs GÇö it's that it removes wardecs against corps as a gameplay mechanic. The cost is somewhere between infinite an no-longer-applicable. Both are highly problematic, and so far beyond mere unreasonability that it breaks the game.
While the OP has beaten me to the punch, I still intend to offer the same service shortly, brcause this failed policy needs to be so massively abused that they have to revert to the old exploit ruling. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

InVictus Kell
The Scope Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:16:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Thorn Galen wrote: It should cost billions to finance a war. 50 Million is a joke.
It should cost billions to fight a war. Just declaring it shouldn't cost much more than the cost of a registered delivery, or maybe a taxi if you're delivering the notification by hand.
^This.
If i didnt actually carry out my own one-manned revolution against the repression of cold gelatin products, i wouldn't owe uncle sam 6 million.
i should have never listened to the lime jello. a lesson to be learned for sure. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
178
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:37:00 -
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I know that the whole process of declaring war is broken, I did say that the Gm admitted as much. I also went on to say that CCP cannot fix it right away. Most of you blithley ignored those relevant details.
Yes of course it is wrong, it is wrong because it is broken and there's no-one to spare to police it at CCP.
Until it is fixed, the shield thing will keep happening.
@Op - You have my vote to get it fixed, but we both know that's not going to happen anytime soon. What to do in the meantime ?
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries
1
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Posted - 2011.11.16 17:23:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:War should be hellish expensive anyway. 50 Mill ISK to wardec another Corp ? That's cheaper than a packet of chips. It should cost billions to finance a war. 50 Million is a joke. No one's going to declare war if it costs that much. This will create absolute safety in highsec; a ridiculous premise for EVE Online. EVE is about competition, and without being able to attack your rivals, none of their actions will have consequences. Bunch of guys come into your belt and bump your mining ships? Nothing you can do. Someone cleared out your corp hangars and started/joined a new corporation with your members' hard-earned ISK? You have no recourse. Someone keeps salvaging your mission wrecks? You can never touch him. Someone insulted your honor, and the honor of your significant other? Too bad, cuz you all be bitches.
Or you move to 0.0. Problem solved, unless you can't compete. 
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