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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:11:00 -
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Interestingly my last thread about it was locked :)
The strategy is simple - buy low, sell low at no profit.
Basically this way we, EVE players can have arbitrarily low PLEX prices.
Dump more PLEX on the market guys. Make it suffer.
One interesting consequence is if there are players on both sides (buy low, sell low and buy high, sell high), then the spread will converge to 0 and it will be truly supply-demand driven. But does anyone want to have high PLEX prices? Only CCP. |

Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:15:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:Interestingly my last thread about it was locked :)
The strategy is simple - buy low, sell low at no profit.
Basically this way we, EVE players can have arbitrarily low PLEX prices.
Dump more PLEX on the market guys. Make it suffer.
Uh, either you are dumping real money at CCP (they will smile happily) or you are dumping ISK at PLEX speculators (they will smile happily) but won't make any dent to the market price as you do not have enough real money or ISK to burn in this foolish crusade.
(On a more serious note: This gets 2/10 as a troll attempting to influence markets by scaring off speculators that a drop in price is coming. You fail.)
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:17:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Dream Five wrote:Interestingly my last thread about it was locked :)
The strategy is simple - buy low, sell low at no profit.
Basically this way we, EVE players can have arbitrarily low PLEX prices.
Dump more PLEX on the market guys. Make it suffer. Uh, either you are dumping real money at CCP (they will smile happily) or you are dumping ISK at PLEX speculators (they will smile happily) but won't make any dent to the market price as you do not have enough real money or ISK to burn in this foolish crusade. (On a more serious note: This gets 2/10 as a troll attempting to influence markets by scaring off speculators that a drop in price is coming. You fail.)
Actually you didn't understand what i was saying :) I'm sorry, try again. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
184
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:18:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:Interestingly my last thread about it was locked :)
The strategy is simple - buy low, sell low at no profit.
Basically this way we, EVE players can have arbitrarily low PLEX prices.
Dump more PLEX on the market guys. Make it suffer.
One interesting consequence is if there are players on both sides (buy low, sell low and buy high, sell high), then the spread will converge to 0 and it will be truly supply-demand driven. But does anyone want to have high PLEX prices? Only CCP.
The EVE 1% maby 
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
31
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:27:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:The strategy is simple - buy low, sell low at no profit.
Not a very bright strategy since you will be selling at a loss. How much ISK have you set aside?
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:30:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote:Dream Five wrote:The strategy is simple - buy low, sell low at no profit.
Not a very bright strategy since you will be selling at a loss. How much ISK have you set aside?
Enough :) Hopefully I'll make up in donations from EVE players :) Just kidding. This is a purely philanthropic endeavor. |

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
31
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:48:00 -
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Dream Five wrote: Enough :)
Do the math an you'll see how much ISK is needed to push the price down for a week. I seriously doubt you have enough ISK to make a dent in price.
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:06:00 -
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Price is now down to 498.5m from 520 when i started. |

Alain Kinsella
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:13:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote:Dream Five wrote: Enough :)
Do the math an you'll see how much ISK is needed to push the price down for a week. I seriously doubt you have enough ISK to make a dent in price.
And if she does take it that low, folks like me will happily buy a few and wait until she gets bored. Would be the easiest ISK I'd make all year...
I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:28:00 -
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Bid is about to collapse to 480 |

Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:33:00 -
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Ask collapse to 490 |

Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:38:00 -
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Let me know when you are out of ISK so I can buy the dip!
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Dane El
Daneco Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:51:00 -
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I fail to see how you buying low and reselling with no significant price change is doing anything other than generating volume with little other effect.
Now if you bought low and sold lower and did this with many, many billions of isk you could bring the price down a bit but you'd run out of isk fast. Real fast once someone with a fair amount of ISK found you and just started selling you PLEXs at a higher price than they can snatch up your orders for.
If you want to affect the price you need a massive amount of new supply to throw on the market. That takes a lot of cash or a huge isk investment that you're willing to lose some of in the process. Is that what you're up to? |

Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 13:16:00 -
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Dane El wrote:I fail to see how you buying low and reselling with no significant price change is doing anything other than generating volume with little other effect.
Now if you bought low and sold lower and did this with many, many billions of isk you could bring the price down a bit but you'd run out of isk fast. Real fast once someone with a fair amount of ISK found you and just started selling you PLEXs at a higher price than they can snatch up your orders for.
If you want to affect the price you need a massive amount of new supply to throw on the market. That takes a lot of cash or a huge isk investment that you're willing to lose some of in the process. Is that what you're up to?
Yes, you fail to see :) |

Jak'rat
Lion Investments
5
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Posted - 2011.11.16 13:45:00 -
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PLEX are 520-525 on sell orders as of a whole 30 seconds ago (that's for the cheapest 20 orders.)
If you're talking about driving down only buy orders, that's not lowering the price of PLEX... "Full turret rack all grouped, gyro's, rigs - that's not a ship, it's a flying shotgun..." |

Hallorin
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:01:00 -
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Maybe I am crazy, or it's early, or I have not thought this through...
But this seems really interesting
I don't think you can be successful doing this - well, unless you are extraordinarily rich - but I have to wonder what would happen if a significant mass of players tried this.
Also, I don't think some understand quite what you are suggesting. It's not as if this needs to carry a cost other than time and energy and the fact that some isk will be tied up in this process.
I wonder too at how big an effect transaction fees will have here. Certainly someone like myself, with terrible tradeskills could barely undercut the current sell orders after the transaction fees were accounted for. But, then again, maybe that would just lessen the effect I could have, as I would still probably be undercutting all current sell orders.
Edit: If I understand this right, the effect that's supposed to drive the price down is that the current low sell orders will be artificially low, thus driving new buy orders down in response. Now, it's entirely possible that will not happen. I don't know. I get the feeling everyone else thinks you are crazy but I can't help feeling like there's something here |

Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:04:00 -
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Jak'rat wrote:PLEX are 520-525 on sell orders as of a whole 30 seconds ago (that's for the cheapest 20 orders.)
If you're talking about driving down only buy orders, that's not lowering the price of PLEX...
You are in the wrong region. Jita is 484-492 right now |

Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:05:00 -
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Hallorin wrote:Maybe I am crazy, or it's early, or I have not thought this through...
But this seems really interesting
I don't think you can be successful doing this - well, unless you are extraordinarily rich - but I have to wonder what would happen if a significant mass of players tried this.
Also, I don't think some understand quite what you are suggesting. It's not as if this needs to carry a cost other than time and energy and the fact that some isk will be tied up in this process.
I wonder too at how big an effect transaction fees will have here. Certainly someone like myself, with terrible tradeskills could barely undercut the current sell orders after the transaction fees were accounted for. But, then again, maybe that would just lessen the effect I could have, as I would still probably be undercutting all current sell orders.
You have to have very high standings and skills for this to work, yes. |

Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:13:00 -
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This plan is so simple it's brilliant. I'm just sorry I didn't think of it first. Anyway, this is one bandwagon I can wholeheartedly climb on.
To all those naysayers, this train has already left the station and you need to get out of the way and jump on board. |

Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:23:00 -
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I'm growing a bit suspicious of the fact that most of the toons who buy plex are from NPC corps with no employment history and no killboard records. The market might be bogus/manipulated. In this case this is not going to work of course :) |

Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:37:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:I'm growing a bit suspicious of the fact that most of the toons who buy plex are from NPC corps with no employment history and no killboard records. The market might be bogus/manipulated. In this case this is not going to work of course :) Damn girl, stay the course! |

IceFyre S18
Zulu Labs Zulu People
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:00:00 -
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If you say what I think is, that hurt small, really small size PLEX traders.
You cannot alter price course if there is healthy, real demand for plex.
Second, you only help large volume traders to get easyer large volumes of PLEX.
Third, when large volume traders get enough and decide to push price up, will deny you access to more plex, with simply agressive overbidding on buy side. You run out of ammo.
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:05:00 -
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IceFyre S18 wrote:If you say what I think is, that hurt small, really small size PLEX traders.
You cannot alter price course if there is healthy, real demand for plex.
Second, you only help large volume traders to get easyer large volumes of PLEX.
Third, when large volume traders get enough and decide to push price up, will deny you access to more plex, with simply agressive overbidding on buy side. You run out of ammo.
Traders for profit will not be able to get very many orders filled. Pushing up is a huge huge risk in this scenario. Basically whoever does that will widen the spread for others to outbid them immediately. |

IceFyre S18
Zulu Labs Zulu People
5
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:12:00 -
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But again, you hurt only small, so small petty plex traders with 20B-100B capital. They are nervous, histerycal like chicken with fox nearby.
But large volume traders works on a minimum 24h trade cycle period, so you need to be online non-stop, long time. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1616
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:16:00 -
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this is hilariously dumb and your avatar is hilariously sad and pathetic |

Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:19:00 -
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IceFyre S18 wrote:But again, you hurt only small, so small petty plex traders with 20B-100B capital. They are nervous, histerycal like chicken with fox nearby.
But large volume traders works on a minimum 24h trade cycle period, so you need to be online non-stop, long time.
We should make a team with rotation i think. We don't want multiple bids or multiple traders working at the same time on this clearly. We want the bids to collapse as soon as they are ready, no need for excessive fussing around at the same break point. |

IceFyre S18
Zulu Labs Zulu People
5
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:26:00 -
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In any case, I just pointed short term obstacles here. If you're able to do this for a week or two, it will hurt badly some bigheads so they may just do wtf and dump all on buy side.
I like this plan, hope will bring some fun there. Too bad I'm not into position to help you directly, but will stay some time off from PLEX market. |

Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:29:00 -
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IceFyre S18 wrote:In any case, I just pointed short term obstacles here. If you're able to do this for a week or two, it will hurt badly some bigheads so they may just do wtf and dump all on buy side.
I like this plan, hope will bring some fun there. Too bad I'm not into position to help you directly, but will stay some time off from PLEX market.
Anyway, this seems to be working, so the message is out there. I'm just the messenger for now. We'll see how it plays out. |

flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:35:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:this is hilariously dumb and your avatar is hilariously sad and pathetic
Do you talk to yourself more often ?
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:39:00 -
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good volume at 489.9m. gaining good downward momentum. might push past below 480 afk resistance in a few hours. |
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