Originally by: Dano Sarum

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28 pages now and still no DEV response... meh.

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Edited by: Sarmaul on 28/06/2006 14:21:55
So we had to wait almost a year just to get a 50% increase in ammo capacity for top-tier autocannons yet you think tux should just drop everything and "boost Amarr".

With a massive expansion coming up, assault missiles, combat boosters, Muninn boost, Nighthawk boost, another possible Deimos boost and so on already been confirmed do you really think they're going to cut all that out just to make a select few moaners happy?

I think some people seriously need a reality check.

Edit: I forgot to mention the years we've been waiting for a Typhoon and low-tier artillery boost.

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Dalphi Zed

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wow 35 pages and still no dev reply :(

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Why does everyone want a dev reply these days? The thread is 35 bloody pages long - do you really think Tuxford missed it?

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Originally by: Cathandra

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Originally by: Forsch

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Originally by: Cathandra

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Wow.. 36 pages of pure "WAAAAAAAH PLX MAEK R STUF MOR UBER STRONG SO WE CAN PWN ALL OR WE GUNA CRYYYYYYYYYYYYY"

Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance

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Only thing I'd call is an english teacher for you.

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It's called irony.

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Originally by: Nyxus

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Nyxus

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Cruiser DPS of the Maller, Ruppie, and Rax with heaviest and medium short range weapons.

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That's because the maller is a tanking ship, not a combat ship. Compare it with the Omen for a proper comparison.

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They are all combat ships. ALL of them.

The comparison is the comparison between a ship that has a tanking bonus (Maller) and ships that have a damage bonus (Rax, Ruppie) that are the same tier. All ships have almost identical amounts of armor and shields, overall number of slots, and cpu/grid after fitting similar weapons. The AC ruppie however does have VERY large amounts of cpu/grid after fitting weapons if you use anything other than t2 heavies in the launcher slots.

The fact of the matter is, a 25% resist bonus just isn't equal to twice the damage output, and having more flexibility in damage types besides. I fail to see how anyone can produce any evidence to the contrary. Even observed shiptype numbers in pvp, biased as it may be, corroborates it.

The problem lies in armor tanking itself (shield tanking isn't as hurt because mids are so much more useful than lows). If both the Rax and Maller have roughly the same cpu/grid after fitting similar weapons, they will have similar tanks, even if the tanking ship has more lows because the tanking ship lacks the grid/cpu to fit tanking mods. The resistance bonus doesn't produce a survivability differential great enough to overcome the DPS output and flexibility of the damage boat.

Options to fix it -

1. Ships like the Punisher/Maller/Prophecy/Apoc who are designed to specifically tank better should get 5% resist per level and a 10% to armor per level in one tanking bonus. This bonus would be similar to how drone ships get a "2 fer 1" type of bonus on damage and hp. They also need a bit more grid/cpu to be able to fit all thier slots, including the utility slot.



2. Or ships like the Punisher/Maller/Proph/Apoc who have lower dps output should have enough grid/cpu to be able to fit a similar rack of weapons as thier contemporaries while still being able to fit a dual repper in the lows. They are forced to do lower dps (they do by lacking any bonuses) while they should be able to tank more/better. Currently they don't to any significant extent.

Personally I like option 1. The maller would have about twice the armor of a ruppie/rax, while the ruppie/rax would have the flexibility of twice the damage, with variable damage types. It also reinforces the Amarr "Guns'N Lasers" philosophy" and makes them much better tanks than thier contemporaries and makes up for lower dps.

Option #2 works as well, but worries me because dual rep can sometimes cause situations where ship A can tank ship B forever. Most of the time though they can only tank as long as they have cap boosters, which would take a while but be fine with me.

Just my thoughts on making Amarr ships a bit more useful other than the drone boats and the geddon.

Nyxus

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Originally by: Xendie

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screw amarr, train for another races ships instead as tuxford and CCP apparently has it in for anyone flying amarr ships.

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