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Elenath Gallente The Vindaloo Enema Disasters	Posted - 2006.09.08 19:29:00 - [1] Edited by: Elenath on 08/09/2006 19:29:25 Originally by: korrey This thread is sad...not because of whats being said, yeah Amarr on the short end of the stick now, but the people who troll. This thread started out as ideas to help the Amarr race which is now at its knees against any other race. Now all we get is Caldari and Gallente saying Amarr is fine...My real question is, if Amarr is fine...Why dont YOU fly them? And if CCP played EVE with characters we knew about daily, im sure they wouldnt be Amarr... . I fly both Amarr and Caldari... use lasers, missiles, and hybrids... across four accounts... all more than three years old... and guess what - Amarr are fine. What's truly sad about this thread is not the trolling... it's the fact that it keeps getting bumped by a bunch of folks who play the forums more than the game... and because of that... they only parrot what other people tell them instead of finding out for themselves that the game is actually very well-balanced right now. Instead of gathering their own information they bump this stupid thread... and fill it with anedotal crap... which is contagious.
Elenath Gallente The Vindaloo Enema Disasters	Posted - 2006.09.08 19:38:00 - [2] Originally by: inSpirAcy Originally by: Elenath What's truly sad about this thread is not the trolling... it's the fact that it keeps getting bumped by a bunch of folks who play the forums more than the game... and because of that... they only parrot what other people tell them instead of finding out for themselves that the game is actually very well-balanced right now. What really amazes me is how so many people close their eyes and swear blind that Amarr have things fine. Stop with the anecdotal crap, go back a few pages to Nyxus's summary and address every single point raised with evidence to support your argument. If you can't, you're just trolling. Nyxus's summary is a well put together example of using statistics and 'evidence' in order to further a personal agenda. Aaron Levenstein (a famous author on statistics... and a professor) once said, 'Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, what they conceal is vital.' This thread is a great example of people swallowing whole a group of numbers with which they WANT to agree. There is no PROOF here... there are numbers furthering a cause. Plenty of people have put together very well put together arguments suggesting that Amarr are very well-balanced... and even have it easy. Who do you believe? Who you WANT to believe. That's what everyone does... and it's what this thread is about. Pursuing an agenda with the use of numbers that support one side of the argument. Get over yourself... all of you. If the truth hurts... then I'm sorry. But honesty and facts are not 'trolling'.
Elenath Gallente The Vindaloo Enema Disasters	Posted - 2006.09.08 19:47:00 - [3] Edited by: Elenath on 08/09/2006 19:52:33 Originally by: inSpirAcy Originally by: Elenath Get over yourself... all of you. If the truth hurts... then I'm sorry. But honesty and facts are not 'trolling'. I didn't think you could. Rather than showing how (even one) of Nyxus's points is furthering a personal agenda and not accurate with regards to the game, you just present more anecdotes like "the truth hurts". If you can't see that you're a troll, there's nothing more I can do... I have no interest in digging up facts that have been presented numerous times to support another side of some foolish argument. If this issue weren't closely balanced then why is it so contentious? Few people argue over killing all the kittens in the world... because it's not a hot topic. When you see a lot of debate you know an issue is near a static balance. Most of the people in this thread compensate for debate by bumping the stupid thread... because it falls off the first page because it's closely balanced. If you want to use this discussion as an excuse to keep this petty thread bumped then feel free. I will no longer argue with a one year 'veteran' (oxymoron, anyone?) who is uncomfortable with facts... let alone be party to trying to educate a bunch of petulant gamers.
Elenath Gallente The Vindaloo Enema Disasters	Posted - 2006.09.08 20:07:00 - [4] Edited by: Elenath on 08/09/2006 20:16:01 Nice of you to rear your head. No surprise. Another 'veteran' who has been playing four months. Originally by: Aramendel So, in short you do not have any facts, but just think they are..somewhere. I have read plenty of threads and seen plenty of charts... and done some numbers myself that leave me feeling very comfortable with my split choice of Amarr and Caldari. My point is that I am not of the general consensus that Amarr are so horribly broken. I've seen the evidence myself and could care less whether a bunch of whiners don't believe it. I fly their ships... and many of them perform in the top of their category (Absolution anyone?). In order to have a discussion regarding game-balance myriad factors need to be taken into account. The EANM issue is a great example. People just spout a bunch of numbers and yell, 'I have proof!'... when in actuality all they have done is present about 2% of the entire argument. No one in their right mind is going to perform (or is capable of) a complete analysis of this issue. It's far too multi-faceted. The point is to play the damn game and figure out for yourself if Amarr work for you. They work for me... and I know plenty of people who love their ships. Crying > Facts wins the forums. That's what this thread is about. Use all the numbers and 'proof' you want. Read my above statement regarding statistics... which you so easily ignored. This thread is one very small side of a huge argument... and now it's been turned into a crusade on behalf of those who have an agenda. Period.
Elenath Gallente The Vindaloo Enema Disasters	Posted - 2006.09.08 20:22:00 - [5] Edited by: Elenath on 08/09/2006 20:24:30 Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Elenath I have read plenty of Then link them. You were bothered enough to post here, so linking them should not be a problem, right? Again, if you talk about "facts" you better should have the arguments for them handy. A fact without proof is no fact but just another friends friend bigfoot sighting. Partial quoting out of context 4tw!!! Read the entire thread, EVE Vet Extraordinaire. PS. I'm done being a participant in keeping this thread active. I'm humiliated that I've done so already. I'll let the forum warriors suspend their reason and logic and continue on their holy crusade.
Elenath Gallente The Vindaloo Enema Disasters	Posted - 2006.09.09 21:35:00 - [6] Originally by: Warnings Why amarr don't have answer from a GM ??? And Gallente with deimos after about 20 : Quote: Wow long thread. If it makes you feel any better then I've noticed it and I'll look into it. From Tuxford ?+? Probably because the Gallente thread is not a baseless whine thread with no ground to stand on... Like this thread.
Elenath Gallente The Vindaloo Enema Disasters	Posted - 2006.09.10 06:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Soratah I think the primary points here are the skillpoints required to pilot Amarrian ships effectively. and... Originally by: Soratah It takes twice as many sp for a pilot to be really effective in an Amarrian ship than it is in another race's ship of the equiv-tech. If that were a valid argument then this thread should be about Minmatar... who have twice as much to train as Amarr. This thread is a collection of baseless whining perpetuated by a few people with an unfounded agenda.
Elenath Gallente The Vindaloo Enema Disasters	Posted - 2006.09.10 06:48:00 - [8] Edited by: Elenath on 10/09/2006 06:48:26 Originally by: Auryn Darkblade rabble rabble I've read it all and used my eyeballs & brain (as you so eloquently put it). If you'd put the childish personal insults aside and look with a more critical eye (instead of having faith in what someone else tells you) you'd realize that Amarr (while having some very minor issues) are actually very well off. I fly both Caldari and Amarr... and I actually prefer Amarr. This thread is nothing but a bunch of whining from the vocal and uninformed minority who have an agenda and are presenting 'evidence' which is nothing but some numbers that explain one VERY small side of the story. Critical thinking ftw!
Elenath Gallente The Vindaloo Enema Disasters	Posted - 2006.09.19 21:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Hakera go forum squad! to the spam mobile! get to 100 pages quick and you get a prize! amarr overall are fine and dandy. thankfully, democracy does not make a game. /agree I agree with your comments regarding Auryn Dullblade as well.

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