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Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
675
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:35:00 -
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Shivanthar wrote: I can fight for your freedom someday, (maybe I already did), but crossing borders defined by policies (not me) is a freeway that you might try on. Every action has its consequences.
What a joke. Your going to fight for MY freedom. I am ex-military, hauss. Dont talk to me about that.
Your point is moot. You do realize that freedom of speech protects the right of someone to make statements that you make be offended by, correct?
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |

Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
75
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:42:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Shivanthar wrote: I can fight for your freedom someday, (maybe I already did), but crossing borders defined by policies (not me) is a freeway that you might try on. Every action has its consequences.
What a joke. Your going to fight for MY freedom. I am ex-military, hauss. Dont talk to me about that. Your point is moot. You do realize that freedom of speech protects the right of someone to make statements that you make be offended by, correct?
Yes, that is correct. On couple of previous lines you quoted from, I explicitely stated this already. You're free to pass that red light. But if you hit padestrian in any way, you will find laws (policies) protecting the padestrian.
At the beginning, I said, I need to report someone and also posted the policy they violated. I had a question. And I got my answer. I'm sorry I didn't give the fun people were seeking for, but it was something serious. And I don't make fun of serious problems. Those who want to make fun of it, are free to do so, but I won't be doing it. |

Winchester Steele
1121
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:43:00 -
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Shivanthar wrote:I am sorry to share that I really hate people like some of you, despite we have to share the same world. I'm pretty sure you have no interest when monument was attacked also.
Nevermind, I was asking for official help according to this:
My report will fall to this group: Policies - EVE Online Terms of Service 2- You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)
You HATE people over silly videogame ****? Pretty harsh and more than a little ironic in the context of your post.
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Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
75
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:48:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Shivanthar wrote:I am sorry to share that I really hate people like some of you, despite we have to share the same world. I'm pretty sure you have no interest when monument was attacked also.
Nevermind, I was asking for official help according to this:
My report will fall to this group: Policies - EVE Online Terms of Service 2- You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.) You HATE people over silly videogame ****? Pretty harsh and more than a little ironic in the context of your post. Actually, if it is read carefully, those people picked me with actually no reason. They were here to make fun of me, resulting one of their being deleted. I asked a question. That was it. There were actually no need to start a bar fight. They came, they join, they argue. I just watch and reply.
What I'm trying to understand is, why are they defending a possible offender without ever thinking that there might be an actual offense... I didn't need judges, I just needed a person who will point where can I find a responsible official. |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
675
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:58:00 -
[35] - Quote
Shivanthar wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Shivanthar wrote: I can fight for your freedom someday, (maybe I already did), but crossing borders defined by policies (not me) is a freeway that you might try on. Every action has its consequences.
What a joke. Your going to fight for MY freedom. I am ex-military, hauss. Dont talk to me about that. Your point is moot. You do realize that freedom of speech protects the right of someone to make statements that you make be offended by, correct? Yes, that is correct. On couple of previous lines you quoted from, I explicitely stated this already. You're free to pass that red light. But if you hit padestrian in any way, you will find laws (policies) protecting the padestrian. At the beginning, I said, I need to report someone and also posted the policy they violated. I had a question. And I got my answer. I'm sorry I didn't give the fun people were seeking for, but it was something serious. And I don't make fun of serious problems. Those who want to make fun of it, are free to do so, but I won't be doing it.
Hitting someone with your car is in no way similar to making a toon with a semi-offensive name.
Sigh.
Im going to wardec your corp when I get home. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3384
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:59:00 -
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How is this conversations still going on? A guy had a legitimate question about where to post a support ticket over a matter he has every right to report. CCP will make a decision about whether or not they find it rule violating, and that will be that. You guys had no need to come in trolling and have no need to continue to do so now. I get it, you don't like people complaining and think that everyone should HTFU, regardless of what their issue is. That's just not the way it works. Move on and troll the next one. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
675
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:04:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:How is this conversations still going on? A guy had a legitimate question about where to post a support ticket over a matter he has every right to report. CCP will make a decision about whether or not they find it rule violating, and that will be that. You guys had no need to come in trolling and have no need to continue to do so now. I get it, you don't like people complaining and think that everyone should HTFU, regardless of what their issue is. That's just not the way it works. Move on and troll the next one.
Lucas, my issue is the "holier than thou" attitude. He got his answer, yet he persists. Even citing some randomness about hitting people with a car in comparison to a maybe-offensive name?
Eh. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |

Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
75
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:07:00 -
[38] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:Shivanthar wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Shivanthar wrote:
Hitting someone with your car is in no way similar to making a toon with a semi-offensive name.
Sigh.
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You misinterpreted my example. I tried to tell something else there. Let me quote myself:
Shivanthar wrote: What I'm trying to understand is, why are they defending a possible offender without ever thinking that there might be an actual offense...
See? You judged that the offender had semi-offensive name. With what information did you come to this conclusion, may I ask? Prejudice... I've not given any name anywhere. |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
675
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:13:00 -
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Dude, im done. It wasnt a trolling attempt. I seriously think that people need to mind their own buisness about something that doesnt affect them. So what if someone has a bad word in their name. It literally has no bearing on how you play the game. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |

Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
75
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:14:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:How is this conversations still going on? A guy had a legitimate question about where to post a support ticket over a matter he has every right to report. CCP will make a decision about whether or not they find it rule violating, and that will be that. You guys had no need to come in trolling and have no need to continue to do so now. I get it, you don't like people complaining and think that everyone should HTFU, regardless of what their issue is. That's just not the way it works. Move on and troll the next one. Lucas, my issue is the "holier than thou" attitude. He got his answer, yet he persists. Even citing some randomness about hitting people with a car in comparison to a maybe-offensive name? Eh.
The only persisting issue here is that your prejudice is preventing your ability from noticing the logical problem. Your unstable judging is the only think persisting here. "semi-offensive", "maybe-offensive". With actually no information, you're defending the offender, coming up with rights to speech.
Joke... |
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Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
75
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:15:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Dude, im done. It wasnt a trolling attempt. I seriously think that people need to mind their own buisness about something that doesnt affect them. So what if someone has a bad word in their name. It literally has no bearing on how you play the game.
Thank you. |

Yim Sei
Watchers of Tartarus
153
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:48:00 -
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Eve Online - the social petri dish you pay to be part of.  Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts. |

Cypher Reese
HelSinG Inc.
6
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:01:00 -
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The OP gets offended by a name in his native language which the majority of people won't get because its not in the language they speak. He insists that it should be reported and changed because it is offensive
He is informed that the name of his corp and alliance are offensive to a large number of people that speak English and his response is "I don't care because I don't understand the language enough to realize it's offensive".
Now he is insulting people because they don't think the offensive language they don't understand is important. Have I missed any of the hypocrisy here? |

BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
272
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:11:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Ripard Teg
Space detective and thought police captain. social justice white knight
He's more like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson rolled into one....Not a cop.
Mine smart. Mine safe. Purchase your mining permit today...... www.minerbumping.com |

Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
75
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:18:00 -
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Cypher Reese wrote:The OP gets offended by a name in his native language which the majority of people won't get because its not in the language they speak. He insists that it should be reported and changed because it is offensive
He is informed that the name of his corp and alliance are offensive to a large number of people that speak English and his response is "I don't care because I don't understand the language enough to realize it's offensive".
Now he is insulting people because they don't think the offensive language they don't understand is important. Have I missed any of the hypocrisy here?
Yes, you're missing something. But that is not hypocrisy. It is the point. - I didn't state I get offended and I didn't "insists that it should be reported and changed because it is offensive". I just said I needed an official. An assist... - I didn't say I don't care about my corp name. I said I didn't know its meaning. I said any change about it won't affect me. And for your information, I liked their behavior. I would do (and did) the same. - Please cite my insulting. Then ask yourself. Is it an insult? Or is it something that person put thyself in? - I didn't need any confirmation or judging by any of the people that have spoken here and you.I asked question and I got answers. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3384
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:21:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:How is this conversations still going on? A guy had a legitimate question about where to post a support ticket over a matter he has every right to report. CCP will make a decision about whether or not they find it rule violating, and that will be that. You guys had no need to come in trolling and have no need to continue to do so now. I get it, you don't like people complaining and think that everyone should HTFU, regardless of what their issue is. That's just not the way it works. Move on and troll the next one. Lucas, my issue is the "holier than thou" attitude. He got his answer, yet he persists. Even citing some randomness about hitting people with a car in comparison to a maybe-offensive name? Eh. What holier than though attitude? You immediately leapt in giving him ****, and he responded. Sure there's some pretty dodgy analogies being thrown around as usual, but what do you expect? Perhaps if you don;t like people responding like that you should just not troll them in the first place.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3384
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:23:00 -
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Cypher Reese wrote:The OP gets offended by a name in his native language which the majority of people won't get because its not in the language they speak. He insists that it should be reported and changed because it is offensive
He is informed that the name of his corp and alliance are offensive to a large number of people that speak English and his response is "I don't care because I don't understand the language enough to realize it's offensive".
Now he is insulting people because they don't think the offensive language they don't understand is important. Have I missed any of the hypocrisy here? Firstly, regardless of language, if something offensive to someone they have the right to report it. Secondly, it's not his corp, or his alliance, and when he says he doesn't care, I'm pretty sure he means he doesn't care if you report it (which was clearly being done out of spite anyway), not that he doesn't care if it offends you. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
75
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:28:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:How is this conversations still going on? A guy had a legitimate question about where to post a support ticket over a matter he has every right to report. CCP will make a decision about whether or not they find it rule violating, and that will be that. You guys had no need to come in trolling and have no need to continue to do so now. I get it, you don't like people complaining and think that everyone should HTFU, regardless of what their issue is. That's just not the way it works. Move on and troll the next one. Lucas, my issue is the "holier than thou" attitude. He got his answer, yet he persists. Even citing some randomness about hitting people with a car in comparison to a maybe-offensive name? Eh. What holier than though attitude? You immediately leapt in giving him ****, and he responded. Sure there's some pretty dodgy analogies being thrown around as usual, but what do you expect? Perhaps if you don;t like people responding like that you should just not troll them in the first place.
He said "He got his answer, yet he persists." But look at when he made his first post. People are coming here to judge me while I'm actually looking for an official. Yes, I will persist unless they stop judging without actually knowing what was going on. |

Cyran Reinhard
hashtag WARDEC
6
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:34:00 -
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Shivanthar wrote: What I'm trying to understand is, why are they defending a possible offender without ever thinking that there might be an actual offense... I didn't need judges, I just needed a person who will point where can I find a responsible official.
The same way people stand up for people whose freedom is being assaulted by laws.
If a rule is unjust, and it's broken, is the action unjust simply because it broke the rule that is recognized to be unjust? |

Cyran Reinhard
hashtag WARDEC
6
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:35:00 -
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Shivanthar wrote:Yes, I will persist unless they stop judging without actually knowing what was going on.
Your OP was "I am offended, and the rules say I can complain about being offended, who do I complain to?"
You CHOSE not to present more information about the subject.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3384
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:50:00 -
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Cyran Reinhard wrote:Shivanthar wrote:Yes, I will persist unless they stop judging without actually knowing what was going on. Your OP was "I am offended, and the rules say I can complain about being offended, who do I complain to?" You CHOSE not to present more information about the subject. Uh, actually he stated it was a name that was offensive and asked where to report it. It was a simple questions with more than enough information for an answer. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
676
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Posted - 2014.05.14 20:06:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Cypher Reese wrote:The OP gets offended by a name in his native language which the majority of people won't get because its not in the language they speak. He insists that it should be reported and changed because it is offensive
He is informed that the name of his corp and alliance are offensive to a large number of people that speak English and his response is "I don't care because I don't understand the language enough to realize it's offensive".
Now he is insulting people because they don't think the offensive language they don't understand is important. Have I missed any of the hypocrisy here? Firstly, regardless of language, if something offensive to someone they have the right to report it. Secondly, it's not his corp, or his alliance, and when he says he doesn't care, I'm pretty sure he means he doesn't care if you report it (which was clearly being done out of spite anyway), not that he doesn't care if it offends you.
Damn it man, are you really one of those guys? You know, the ones who think that they have some right not to be offended?
Let me let you guys in on why this pisses me off so much. We live in a pussified society where this seems to be the growing belief that anything that is even passively offensive to ANYONE must be illegal or abolished. I wasnt trolling in my first post. I play this game because it *used to be* a place where soft-feelings-hurt-easily-offended types were thrown out like so much of yesterdays trash. Now we are worried about hurting peoples feelings? Aww... did the player name offend you? Better report it. Is your other hobby reporting zoning code violations? Maybe ratting out that little girl's lemonade stand down the street to the IRS (or even better, the FDA!).
Seriously, why cant you just play the game? Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |

Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
76
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Posted - 2014.05.14 20:39:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Cypher Reese wrote:The OP gets offended by a name in his native language which the majority of people won't get because its not in the language they speak. He insists that it should be reported and changed because it is offensive
He is informed that the name of his corp and alliance are offensive to a large number of people that speak English and his response is "I don't care because I don't understand the language enough to realize it's offensive".
Now he is insulting people because they don't think the offensive language they don't understand is important. Have I missed any of the hypocrisy here? Firstly, regardless of language, if something offensive to someone they have the right to report it. Secondly, it's not his corp, or his alliance, and when he says he doesn't care, I'm pretty sure he means he doesn't care if you report it (which was clearly being done out of spite anyway), not that he doesn't care if it offends you. Damn it man, are you really one of those guys? You know, the ones who think that they have some right not to be offended? Let me let you guys in on why this pisses me off so much. We live in a pussified society where this seems to be the growing belief that anything that is even passively offensive to ANYONE must be illegal or abolished. I wasnt trolling in my first post. I play this game because it *used to be* a place where soft-feelings-hurt-easily-offended types were thrown out like so much of yesterdays trash. Now we are worried about hurting peoples feelings? Aww... did the player name offend you? Better report it. Is your other hobby reporting zoning code violations? Maybe ratting out that little girl's lemonade stand down the street to the IRS (or even better, the FDA!). Seriously, why cant you just play the game?
Because, we are different. Everybody is different. We may disagree with each other. You got pissed of by me (I take it as a different kind of disagreement) I choose to report a bomb, who might blow someone up and decided to go to police to report it. That was about it. The title is "who to report". I don't have any other intentions. Just tried to learn who to report. Believe me, if I knew I would take this much heat, I simply would have tried harder. That was my mistake. |

Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
76
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:03:00 -
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Cyran Reinhard wrote:Shivanthar wrote:Yes, I will persist unless they stop judging without actually knowing what was going on. Your OP was "I am offended, and the rules say I can complain about being offended, who do I complain to?" You CHOSE not to present more information about the subject.
Yes, the subject is not to discuss it. It is neither wise, nor a correct action to reveal somebody's name which is about to be reported. A soon-to-be-gm-talk is not a kind of discussion that could be revealed in the forums. |

Winchester Steele
1125
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:06:00 -
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Shivanthar wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Shivanthar wrote:I am sorry to share that I really hate people like some of you, despite we have to share the same world. I'm pretty sure you have no interest when monument was attacked also.
Nevermind, I was asking for official help according to this:
My report will fall to this group: Policies - EVE Online Terms of Service 2- You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.) You HATE people over silly videogame ****? Pretty harsh and more than a little ironic in the context of your post. Actually, if it is read carefully, those people picked me with actually no reason. They were here to make fun of me, resulting one of their being deleted. I asked a question. That was it. There were actually no need to start a bar fight. They came, they join, they argue. I just watch and reply. What I'm trying to understand is, why are they defending a possible offender without ever thinking that there might be an actual offense... I didn't need judges, I just needed a person who will point where can I find a responsible official.
Regardless, espousing hatred of someone because they disagree with you or troll your bad posts is pretty extreme.
With your delicate sensibilities, you may want to consider the very real possibility that the internet is not for you. Maybe look into basket-weaving or water color paints... ... |

Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
48
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:17:00 -
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Is this guy asking to be bountied and watchlisted? I dunno what "report" means. |

Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
76
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:25:00 -
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Cyran Reinhard wrote:Shivanthar wrote: What I'm trying to understand is, why are they defending a possible offender without ever thinking that there might be an actual offense... I didn't need judges, I just needed a person who will point where can I find a responsible official.
The same way people stand up for people whose freedom is being assaulted by laws. If a rule is unjust, and it's broken, is the action unjust simply because it broke the rule that is recognized to be unjust?
If you call a law is unjust and broken, then your actions against it, will simply determine how hard the consequences you'll face. You've to play by the book. You can choose not to, then you'll face the consequences of system. If you want to change a rule, gather a very large supporter crowd, get elected, gather political force and change it. Trying to change it by other means will make you receive its consequences.
I'm not here to query a rule's justice. I was here to learn the referee, and I was shown.
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Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
76
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:29:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Shivanthar wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Shivanthar wrote:I am sorry to share that I really hate people like some of you, despite we have to share the same world. I'm pretty sure you have no interest when monument was attacked also.
Nevermind, I was asking for official help according to this:
My report will fall to this group: Policies - EVE Online Terms of Service 2- You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.) You HATE people over silly videogame ****? Pretty harsh and more than a little ironic in the context of your post. Actually, if it is read carefully, those people picked me with actually no reason. They were here to make fun of me, resulting one of their being deleted. I asked a question. That was it. There were actually no need to start a bar fight. They came, they join, they argue. I just watch and reply. What I'm trying to understand is, why are they defending a possible offender without ever thinking that there might be an actual offense... I didn't need judges, I just needed a person who will point where can I find a responsible official. Regardless, espousing hatred of someone because they disagree with you or troll your bad posts is pretty extreme. With your delicate sensibilities, you may want to consider the very real possibility that the internet is not for you. Maybe look into basket-weaving or water color paints...
Why are you so interested in my hatred was not this thread's subject. Nor I'm interested in explaining it any further. Read the title, if you have any further know-how of how to improve already given answers, please respond. Otherwise, you're going out of subject towards my personal ideas. |

Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
689
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:32:00 -
[59] - Quote
Django Askulf wrote:Is this guy asking to be bountied and watchlisted? I dunno what "report" means.
More like permadecced.
*starts flipping coin*
Also, OP is either trolling at this point or is one of those 'special flowers'...that need to be stepped on.
 Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
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Winchester Steele
1127
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:41:00 -
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Django Askulf wrote:Is this guy asking to be bountied and watchlisted? I dunno what "report" means.
Snitches get stitches.
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