I can't see any news regarding freighters increasing their cargo hold beyond 1 mill m3 and be able to carry packaged carriers to hi sec. does this mean you allow carriers in hisec ?

That was already confirmed by a Dev to be a no go. Fozzie, I think.

Can't find anything on the Blockade Runner/Deep Space Transport changes though. Did I miss something?

Rigs for Freighters and updated Deep Space Transports and Blockade Runners
To make the Deep Space Transports and the Blockade Runners even more viable in their roles as 'behind enemy lines space haulers, their roles have been revisited.

Additionally you will now be able to customize your Freighter with rigs, thus allowing it to carry more, align faster or warp more quickly through space.

The new Typhoon redesign is not listed, is it delayed?

That was already confirmed by a Dev to be a no go. Fozzie, I think.

Can't find anything on the Blockade Runner/Deep Space Transport changes though. Did I miss something?

What has happened to the reported change removing "spew" from Relic and Data Exploration sites? Is this still coming to us with this patch? What is it being replaced with?

(reported back in Feb. '14 by CCP Affinity)

are there going to be any changes to freighters or are they just getting 3 rig slots?

Noooo, dont change the Moa

They're just gettin 3 rig slots AFAIK, with the introduction of Hull increasing rigs that would make you a ton tankier. (tough most people will just get cargo expander rigs and get blown up)

its curious that the BR/DST rebalance wasn't mentioned at fanfest

What about getting rid of loot spew in exploration sites??????????????????????????????????
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the importance of this question cannot be emphasised enough

What has happened to the reported change removing "spew" from Relic and Data Exploration sites? Is this still coming to us with this patch? What is it being replaced with?

(reported back in Feb. '14 by CCP Affinity)

Looks good, can't wait to see the details on the Deep Space Transport changes.

Could you elaborate on Guristas ship changes? Just how much "reduced" are their drone bay and bandwidth going to be? Will it be able to fit and field 2 Gecko drones? 5 Sentries/Heavies on Rattlesnake are out of question?
Limiting number of drones a drone-specialised ship can field, compared to other drone-specialised ships, just doesn't sit well with me. You are going to lose some in combat anyway, but with these changes every loss is a much greater reduction in projected damage, especially since you won't be able to carry as many spares.

There's forum threads up on all pirate ship changes. You can find the answers you seek there.

Where are threads for faction stations? This is an ENORMOUS graphics update, and there are a huge number of variables to it that must be covered!

I wouldn't be surprised if anything left out of the blog won't release till Crius.

Is the new Moa design on SiSi right now? I've only seen the artwork, but no in engine screens of it. Same with the new Phoon and Domi.

The new Typhoon redesign is not listed, is it delayed?

What about getting rid of loot spew in exploration sites??????????????????????????????????
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Still no word on the big rorqual changes? =( or is that coming with crius?

The Dev Blog only covers things that are confirmed for Kronos. Both of those changes, along with a few others, are likely to be announced for Kronos as well, but will otherwise be in the next release.



You guessed correctly. Those changes are interlocked with the rest of the Industry changes.

The Dev Blog only covers things that are confirmed for Kronos. Both of those changes, along with a few others, are likely to be announced for Kronos as well, but will otherwise be in the next release.

OMG, OMG *screams like a teenage girl at a bieber concert* please loot spew changes for Kronos!

By the way, the Image for the Faction Themed Stations shows a nice picture of a Quafe themed station. However, when you click on the picture to show an enlarged version, it pulls up this link instead: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/66163/1/Mordus_Battleship_EVE_Keynote.jpg

Thought you might like to know.

Hey CCP Devs..

You know what would be great ? Some feedback on the OTHER Topic that have been announced.

It's been over a month since a Dev responded to the Drones thread, almost a month since there was one on the Pirate Battleship thread.. Probably more than a month on the Pirate Cruiser thread.. Only responses day one on the new Mordu's Legion Ships thread.

I mean it's great that you post these ideas/changes, and ask for feedback, but what's the point if it's not getting read.. or if it is getting read, no feedback given to US so we know some how/why things are working/changing the way you plan.

I'm not asking for a response to every question raised.. not even a response daily.. But as long as these threads are stickied, and as long as there's still issues being raised, you'd think a response maybe once a WEEK would be in order.

It's not like there's an abundance in time before the release it due.. less than a month..

I mean the initial feedback given in the Pirate Cruiser thread the first few days lead to a significant change in the Angel line of ships.. That was Devs reading and responding to issues and working out an idea.. But in most of the other threads it seems to be a comment the first day or two, then nothing. I mean the Pirate Battleship thread has more responses from individual ISD's cleaning the thread, than from Dev's..

If you are done with feedback, then just lock the threads.. otherwise please stick your head in, respond, address some concerns, or even dismiss them. I'd honestly rather a Dev say "No, we don't feel this is an issues and will keep things the way they are." than 30 pages of people arguing about it and NO feedback at all. I mean 2/3rd of the Pirate BS thread is about the Rattlesnake... Not a word in response to any of the complaints raised. People are raised issues with the Mordu's Legion Frig and Cruiser being OP (I don't think they are) and the BS being Underpowered (Which I agree with).. no feedback either.. Okay that last one hasn't been a week yet, but with the previous threads I'd be lying if I said I had faith that we will ever get any more feedback in the thread.

You ask for our feedback, we need yours, otherwise it's just two of three people with issues, and half a dozen trolls talking around in circles.

Why no mention of Dominix redesign in the blog? Has it been cancelled/moved away from Kronos?

To make the Deep Space Transports and the Blockade Runners even more viable in their roles as 'behind enemy lines space haulers, their roles have been revisited.

Additionally you will now be able to customize your Freighter with rigs, thus allowing it to carry more, align faster or warp more quickly through space.

Why no mention of Dominix redesign in the blog? Has it been cancelled/moved away from Kronos?

It never was part of Kronos

You guessed correctly. Those changes are interlocked with the rest of the Industry changes.

Clicking on the faction station image in the dev blog goes to the concept art for the Barghest.

I dont understand why CCP hate haulers that mutch that they have to dubblenerf them, First with totally change the ability of the freighter to be usefull in its role, and then forcing haulers to spend isk on getting that cargohold back, AND to top it off CCP still regards bumbing a freighter indefinite a " okay " thing do to since the freghter cant enter warp and the agressors are not using any mods to keep the ship from warping and then wait for your friends to show up 30 min after the first bumb.

CCP, Your hate towards haulers are clear as the sun, you want PVPers, not those to build or move the ships for them, several of your devs has said it and several of your GM's has said it.

one example ive had was with CCP Falcon while i ran past him in a local somewhere -> CCP Falcon > Personally, I like them soft and squishy so that I can crack them open like a kinder egg, and see what's inside :3

its sad that you hate those who choose a route in eve like haulers because of your hate.

Frankly, you make me questioning your intentions with eve.

Correct, the Domi was not intended for Kronos and was something we decided to show at Fanfest to give a glimpse at what is potentially coming in future releases. We constantly work on ship redesigns but we tend to use them as something to do when there is downtime between tasks. There are of course releases where we put priority on the redesigns to align with other things such as balance changes by game design.

That's a mega-disappointment, Dominix re-model is way overdue and should have taken precedence over the Moa. Domi pilots must vastly outnumber Moa pilots.

Christ...

Just Leave the Caldari ships alone, you're not the ones flying them. It's bad enough we got a Scorpion He-Man ship, now you want to ruin the Moa (one of the most original designs) and the Crow/Raptor.

NO. ONE. ASKED. FOR. THIS!

Christ...

Just Leave the Caldari ships alone, you're not the ones flying them. It's bad enough we got a Scorpion He-Man ship, now you want to ruin the Moa (one of the most original designs) and the Crow/Raptor.

NO. ONE. ASKED. FOR. THIS!

Well, so much hate flung around in this post...

I'm not going to pretend to somehow know the dev's intentions as you did, but it still seems to me that you don't quite understand why the involvement of haulers in more varied pvp situations is something that would be both desirable and beneficial, both for the entire eve community and for the haulers themselves, who are still part of said community. EVE has always been a PVP-driven game in which the economy and logistics play a vital role. As such, your hauling affects other players wether you want it or not, and their activities affect yours. Hauling is already a PVP activity, albeit not a direct one and allegedly not a "violent" one (unless you count economic violence as a true form of violence). EVE, like a military-industrial complex, runs on a cycle of destruction. The haulers have manufactured things to haul because manufactured things are destroyed, and the destroyers have manufactured things to destroy because manufactured things are hauled around. As such, crippling any part of that cycle that would negatively affect your adversaries is a valid strategy. That includes haulers, who, in turn, now have a reason to care about protecting themselves, either by organizing as a group or by having people to protect them in exchange for the benefit of their own services. This means that haulers would actually have to play in an increasingly social and dynamic game world, which in turn will provide more opportunities for hauling stuff.

Even if what you are talking about really was a nerf to hauling, it would not be any more driven by hate on the developper's part as any other change in the game. Indeed, it actually shows that they care enough about it to not want the logistics specialists to unsubscribe out of boredom or lack of personnal involvement in the game.

The way I see it, it would only be logical for developpers of a conflict-driven game to maximize the potential sources of conflict in the game.

Now, if only hauling could be recognized as a pvp activity in which rewards do involve risk, which the pilots ought to accept and prepare for, then hauling would not be seen as much of a "carebear" activity. Giving more potential for tank or speed to freighters and more defensive options to miners seems to me like an excelent decision that actually hurts the "hurr, i'm a hard-core pvper"-type of player more than the others, in order to distribute the fun end of the pvp stick a bit more evenly around the playerbase. If haulers could also get more offensive options, then ganking them would really get interesting.

tl;dr version: Hauler pilots are already PVPers, deal with it. Making hauling less "safe and boring" and involving more options and actions will generally put more fun and more emotional involvement into hauling as an interactive activity between players. And that's what keeps a game like EVE rolling.

Correct, the Domi was not intended for Kronos and was something we decided to show at Fanfest to give a glimpse at what is potentially coming in future releases. We constantly work on ship redesigns but we tend to use them as something to do when there is downtime between tasks. There are of course releases where we put priority on the redesigns to align with other things such as balance changes by game design.

A forum thread is on its way.

Since you included this, am I correct to assume that this is confirmed for release in Kronos regardless of the unanimously negative feedback on this reduction in QOL for all enablers in Eve?

Actually Moa redesign has been consistently among the top 3 most requested hull remakes, you are pretty much alone with your opinion.

just going to take a guess, the other two are Osprey and Harbinger... in that order?

just going to take a guess, the other two are Osprey and Harbinger... in that order?

Any estimates on a total patch filesize?

the hell is wrong with the harb?

That's a mega-disappointment, Dominix re-model is way overdue and should have taken precedence over the Moa. Domi pilots must vastly outnumber Moa pilots.

o/ Looking forward to the new changes.

The Condor has a vacant high slot which is useless really as with the Executioner: how about converting the 4th high slot into a low slot. Fitting specs remain the same. This would add a twist to the game.
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The Caldari ship design is supposed to be devoid of vanity if i remember correctly.. The Scorpion hull was really cool when it looked vaguely like a scorpion, its just silly now that it looks exactly like a scorpion.. It doesn't look BAD, just, silly.

" Hauler pilots are already PVPers " I fail to see how a freighter can be used in pvp until we can accually fit the damn ship with active / passive tank, Guns and point. or are able to deal out damage, or CCP should perhaps include some put some kinetic damage to the bumber that would allow the freighter to be able to take afew hit and at the same time deal some damage to the agressor.

until that happends haulers are not PVPers.

on a sidenote, i wonder when the pvpers will get a dubblenerf just like the haulers will get from this mess of a patch, it would be intresting to see the pvpers point of view on a similar dubblenerf applied to them.

Correct, the Domi was not intended for Kronos and was something we decided to show at Fanfest to give a glimpse at what is potentially coming in future releases. We constantly work on ship redesigns but we tend to use them as something to do when there is downtime between tasks. There are of course releases where we put priority on the redesigns to align with other things such as balance changes by game design.

Correct, the Domi was not intended for Kronos and was something we decided to show at Fanfest to give a glimpse at what is potentially coming in future releases. We constantly work on ship redesigns but we tend to use them as something to do when there is downtime between tasks. There are of course releases where we put priority on the redesigns to align with other things such as balance changes by game design.

CCP.. Can you please stop making caldari ships symmetrical? =<

The Caldari ship design is supposed to be devoid of vanity if i remember correctly.. The Scorpion hull was really cool when it looked vaguely like a scorpion, its just silly now that it looks exactly like a scorpion.. It doesn't look BAD, just, silly.

Like this moa, it doesn't look bad at all.. But its lacking all personality, its extremely generic. And the condor just looks like you mirrored one side of it.

Noooo, dont change the Moa

It's bad enough we got a Scorpion He-Man ship, now you want to ruin the Moa (one of the most original designs) and the Crow/Raptor.

actually you're downgrading the visuals of the condor hull

Like this moa, it doesn't look bad at all.. But its lacking all personality, its extremely generic. And the condor just looks like you mirrored one side of it.

Not happy about the changes to Moa / Condor lines.

Is the Raven scheduled for a make-over too?