[...] the quality of [CAOD] is significantly better than other forums albeit slower.

A down side to that is that if you then don't find a buyer you've had to add a couple of extra lines to your employment history for no reason. Maybe that's no big deal, but what if you then try and sell the character a few months later, again without success? Also, the main character on each of my accounts is a corp director. Were I to sell any of them I'd want to be able to make use of their roles until I agreed a sale.

~Stuff about Character Bazaar rules and their enforcement~

Harsher account wide moderation. Don't probate/ban the toon but do it on the account level. The stupid people will either be gone or have to PLEX more and more account to keep trolling.

The current moderation is bad because the ISD have no efficient tools and the enforcement of the rules is never harsh. Even thread created by CCP in F/I can loose pages after pages of post because people were shitting them up and you still see the same stuff posted over and over again. Why aren't those poster just gone?

@ISDs : To be clear, I am not saying you are not doing your job, I am saying your mandate and powers are not correct for the actual cleaning to happen.

Are there certain things we can do to make the report easier to process?

Some sort of account-wide "karma" might be useful. This way, as posters on an account accumulate negative karma, they lose forum posting permissions for increasingly longer periods of time. If the ISDs continually edited or deleted my posts, for example, at some point I should automatically lose forum posting permissions for a time without having to involve CCP GMs. If I keep that up, each forum ban would be longer and longer, until eventually I lose permission altogether. On ANY character from that account, new or old. You can sell all the characters you want, the bad karma stays with the account.

Over time, the karma slowly returns to normal as you make worthwhile posts that are not removed and that the community feels are worthwhile. Though some limit needs to be put in place, so your closest 10,000 friends can't rocket you back up to angelic karma ratings with a single post.

This would solve the issue with the throwaway NPC alt troll poster, this would solve the issue with the untouchable non-NPC troll poster, and would actually be useful. This removes the so-called ":effort: wall" that the OP likes to spew about, and enacts real, meaningful consequences to posting garbage on the forums.

Then, forum posting would have forum consequences and those consequences would be equal for all, not just the largest entities in the game who can enforce their will at any time they desire.

Maybe you want to take a look at moderation and metamoderation as implemented on slashdot.org site. Probably is not perfect but seems to be working so far.

I've done no such thing - I've provided examples of why it is a bad move. I have said that the fundamental issue is trolling and THAT can be addressed through other means.

Here is another one - a half dozen players rolling as mercs can't advertise.
Some of the best advice in mission and complexes comes from NPC members - I get you're not going to care about this forum, but it would be a crying shame to kill that resource.


As to how to stop trolling: give ISD teeth. Job done.

So, one more time, if we empower ISD why would the standard NOT rise without taking away all the good stuff this provides?

You didn't ask me but I can give you some ideas:

-24 hour gag powers which after so many are collected is automatically referred to community managers to decide if it merits punishment. This has to be based on some sort of evidence leading me to my next idea.

-A notes system that is CCP wide so you can keep track of repeat offenders more easily.

To respond to this, apologies if it's causing pointless workload. LoF recommended reporting people earlier on (and more detailed reports for repeat offenders), and yes it is tricky to do without being biased. If people are genuinely abusing the report function they should be reprimanded, or informed the reports are unhelpful.

Having said that some people are already engaged in a sustained reportage campaign. Not sure I agree they are entirely helpful - and I'm not sure how to be myself - particularly as it appears to be a function which can be weaponised as per comments in the last couple of days from a few. I do expect the mods to be able to spot the difference between certain types of reports.

Really not sure where to go from here, re these really obvious trolls. If I report them as requested to try to alert people, like anything else, I'd expect to receive a warning if I abuse the system for gain. If you want to promote a forum where people can chat, moderate us where needed, reward us for constructive participation, and punish the obvious offenders you need a degree of participation.

And I must admit that I, personally, want to compliment the majority of the posters in this thread who have stayed calm and constructive while discussing an emotional topic.

2. Be respectful toward others at all times.

3. Ranting is prohibited.

4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.

7. Use of profanity is prohibited.

Please understand that my statement above is a statement of principle. No one can be tempted by power they don't have.

Questions regarding the CAOD comparisons:

When was the change to CAOD posting ability made and have their been any changes to overall forum moderation since that time?
Was CAOD considered worse, better or about the same as the rest of the forums at that time prior to the change?