I never knew you were a Dev? (Only Devs can say no to something, not a player, get over yourself.)

I was reffering to the JF with a "Maybe" on the Freighter.

Simply because of the cost difference between the two ships and how easy it is to gank both of them.

which battlecruiser has a jump drive?

Makes no odd's when you bring it in, it is just plain wrong headed for the so many reasons already mentioned in this thread, and how far you missed the mark as to how risk averse JF pilots are for the most part. Anything that detracts from logistics in this manner, from increased fuel costs to decreased cargo capacity will not get you what you want in terms of Null Sec industry expansion, taking into account all the other changes your proposing and have already slipped into game no one if they take the time to look at it as an overall picture of Null Sec operations will see all of this as anything other than one massive nerf fest perpetrated and spun off as being good for the game when in reality it's simple an attempt by the PvP lobby to turn Null Sec into a facsimile of Empire stupidity.

Were the thought came from that these things are used in fleets to provide defense I have no idea, again another one of those 'I thought it so it must be so', ideas, freighters rarely move in fleets defensive or otherwise, draws attention see...not good. suggest you study how it's done and ask why Null Sec Alliances do it that way, they are not in the business of allowing CCP or anyone for that matter to gank valuable ships and cargo no matter how much you might think it's fun to do.

all the other tinsel rubbish tinkering with Jump freighters and freighters is just that simply because if it gets caught it's going to die, make it as agile and as fast as in inty if you like, the results will still be the same, once pinned it's done for. so why bother in the first place, nothing in these changes is good news and overall it smacks of change because you have nothing better to do.

Tackle Sov, take on the PoS monster, PoCo's and PI click fests all items already long flagged as game detractors and stop tinkering with stuff that already works and works well

With max skills it's giving me 712,327 EHP

Flying fortress trucking its way to Jita!

840k with HG slaves and supporting hardwires

Erm GǪ wouldn't you be better off hauling PLEX in a blockade runner, since you have the cloak and an incredibly short align time and high warp speed?

Hello.

I'm one of those people that isn't a forum junkie...*SUPER SNIP*

I don't understand how everyone is so excited for these changes. It's like a politician comes out and says we're raising taxes 50%. Then a week later he says ok, we've heard your complaints, so we'll only raise the taxes 25%. So everyone starts sucking his **** about what a benevolent being he is... HOORAY! -,-

Alright So I haven't decided if i want to train for a freighter or not yet, I know with the Nerfed cargo it would still suit all my needs but with 3 low slots as well? That is interesting. Anyone have any Idea how much tank say a Providence would get out of a T2 Damage Control and 2 RF Bulkheads ( T2 )??

Because the way I see it you need like 5-6 Talos to Gank a freighter as is, and like 15 catalysts ( Depends on system level of course ). So would adding the DC II and RFB II's really make a big enough difference to allow freighter pilots to carry more than 600m at a time without extreme risk of getting ganked by a catalyst gang? Or 800m to avoid a Talos Gang? Or is it not enough tank to really matter?

If you're really quitting, nothing shows commitment like giving away all of your assets. That way, you won't be tempted to return.

Sorry to interrupt this discussion but I came looking for a discussion of Freighter and JF's

Only comment I found relevant on this page was a request to make all of them armor tank.

I disagree. Each race has its own flavour and its own design choices. Homogenization of the freighters would negate the need for the choices and we might as well just can the lot of them and go with one Freighter and one JF both made by Ore.

I do not want that, do you?

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Really? Is that all you found in this topic? :|

Maybe because there is no actual professional hauler/logistic guy opinion let be heard, every single fuking feedback is buried in the redneck gankers vomit. Actually.. it's all about how to gank a freighter. It's like all of EVE population is living in hi sec. There is no null sec, there is no war.. everything is only about ganking non combat ships.

And best of all.. the ALOD of the week is considered this. So again.. why the CSM want the indy people to leave hi sec and build shiat in null? Maybe Mynna (10bux) can explain for retards like me why I should go to null.

Because they specifically don't want them fitting DCU's would be my guess.

so you are saying it's a nerf..

I'm not asking to have the base line brought back to the original.. I'm asking that we don't lose anything to gain a few low slots. It seems pretty petty to me that it would be made impossible to achieve the original stats.

This is just a massive nerf, FU ccp.

To get the same amount of cargohold on my freighter I now must fit 3 expanded cargoholds, which will lower structure HP by -60%.

Considering that reinforced bulkheads will now give -11% cargo capacity each (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=340217), it means that this is a super nerf. FU ccp.

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Three days ago I was finally able to climb into my brand new Charon. I LOVED it, after training for so long I was ecstatic to finally not ever having to use a bestower or itereon again to transport my stuff. Then Chronos came and I logged onto my freighter which I had trained up to level 3 and guess what, after a 15% increase to cargo capacity via training it now had the same cargo capacity as a Jump Freighter. I thought that's ok I'll just install 3 T3 cargo expanders. It was then I found that with the 3 installed it was right about the same as it would have been without the patch. So where is the benefit to this "upgrade" I lost a bunch of armor and was able to maintain the same cargo capacity.........Is this an attempt by CCP to make it easier for the next burn jita to be even easier for freighter kills? I feel like I just got ganked and all the time I spent training for this is now wasted b/c I am an even easier/bigger target. *Good job guys way to go!* -End Sarcasm- Whoever came up with the idea to slash cargo capacity to such an extreme degree needs to be slapped silly. I mean seriously, if you wanted to provide customization for freighters you could do so w/o such drastic effects, i.e. making freighters unable to use cargo expanders for one. There easy solution, problem solved. Come on CCP get it together and fix this, I just showed it's not hard to resolve.

You appear to have missed the relevant part...

No, I read the whole thing, the new max has nothing to do with what he was saying. and adding 100k~ is more like what we were talking about for a huge penalty to EHP.

That's correct he said "similar". Given the changes, a 100k m3 change when talking about roughly 900k m3 is similar.

This was your correction:



Note that same !=similar. You corrected something incorrectly. Also, note that max doesn't enter into the equation at any end of the spectrum of his post.

Please remove ability to fit adaptive nanoplating to jump freighters.

It is gamebreaking.

http://i.imgur.com/9UIlILF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pwy4m8U.jpg

Perhaps I'm doing this wrong, but my understanding is that I'm supposed to be able to fit Reinforced Bulkheads to my freighter, however in the game right now (2014-06-18), all Reinforced Bulkheads' Show Info from the Market shows that they need 16-40 tf of CPU to fit, but the freighter (Obelisk here) has only 1.2 tf of CPU available.

Sorry if this was answered earlier in the thread, but eve search sucks and I didn't want to page through 137 pages to find one question/answer. :( The OP itself mentions Reinforced Bulkheads:

So we expect that most Freighter and Jump Freighter pilots will use their three low slots to mix and match the following modules to meet their needs:


However, when I go to actually fit the Reinforced Bulkhead, it uses up 0 tf of CPU. :)

Show Info from fitted Reinforced Bulkhead II = 0 tf
Show Info from Market for Reinforced Bulkhead II = 40 tf.