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Batolemaeus
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
62
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Posted - 2014.05.17 16:39:00 -
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tl;dr: Give players an easier way to create plastic wrap containers without abusing courier contracts
Long-winded explanation follows:
Doing supply runs for a corp or alliance tends not to be the most satisfying from a gameplay perspective. It is a rather tedious profession for people with masochistic tendencies.
One of the many problems stems from the fact that not everyone has a jita alt to simply courier contract their purchases. Corporations often organize orders though a webshop interface, but someone still has to buy the items and correctly separate them again at the destination. This gets very tedious as more people order more items and there is more room for mistakes.
An alternative would be separating orders in containers, one container per order. However, some container types don't play well with jumpfreighters. It also introduces a lot of wasted space. Space is expensive on JF.
Enter plastic wraps. As a workaround, it has become common to courier contract items to an alt. This results in a plastic wrap container. The container can be renamed and doesn't waste any space. The plastic wrap containers are then traded back to the JF pilot, shipped, and contracted whole to the receiving player.
This workaround creates its own problems however. Here's the absolute minimum number of steps required for an in-corp alt:
- Items in deliveries are courier contracted to the alt
- Alt accepts contract for corp
- JF pilot takes the plastic wrap, renames it to make it recognizable
- alt fails the courier contract
- JF pilot deletes the contract
I consider it an abuse of game mechanics, but it's still vastly preferable to the alternatives. Therefore, I propose to make it easier to access. |
Evelgrivion
Calamitous-Intent
Feign Disorder
296
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:29:00 -
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I like everything about this idea. |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
German Information Network Alliance
179
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Posted - 2014.05.17 21:19:00 -
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I like the idea and for quite different reasons.
Now and then there happens a situation when I'd like to prepare a ship for use, just not now. Such wrapping would be nice solution, when I could wrap a ship along with all modules I'd like to use into one nice package which could have been moved wherever I want it to have. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians
Spaceship Samurai
347
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Posted - 2014.05.18 10:59:00 -
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Given that Fozzie seems intent upon thrusting his fist elbow deep in the ass of anyone with a JF, I'd appreciate at least this minor reacharound while being screwed.
Warping to zero |
Paikis
Lycosa Syndicate
Surely You're Joking
1217
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Posted - 2014.05.18 12:09:00 -
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Scan Reflective Bubble Wrap.
Made from plastics or something from PI. It is a container that is produced and used like any other, except it prevents cargohold scanning on items inside of it and it can stretch to fit any size items.
The restriction? You need one for every item (or stack of items) that you want to be scan proof.
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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
134
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Posted - 2014.05.18 12:32:00 -
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I like the idea over all. It makes sense given the current in-game mechanics.
This was a tad confusing to me:
Batolemaeus wrote:
- Items in deliveries are courier contracted to the alt
- Alt accepts contract for corp
- JF pilot takes the plastic wrap, renames it to make it recognizable
- alt fails the courier contract
- JF pilot deletes the contract
Why are either party failing the contract? I usually find it simpler to: JF pilot couriers to Alt who couriers back to the JF pilot. The JF Pilot delivers the package and then the alt delivers it again. No failed contracts on record. |
Batolemaeus
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
116
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Posted - 2014.05.18 13:28:00 -
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Petrified wrote:
Why are either party failing the contract? I usually find it simpler to: JF pilot couriers to Alt who couriers back to the JF pilot. The JF Pilot delivers the package and then the alt delivers it again. No failed contracts on record.
Completing a courier contract destroys the plastic wrap container, but the plastic wrap container is what I'm after. I don't want to break the container (aka deliver the courier contract) at the destination because all items will just mix with other deliveries, my own stocks and trading stocks.
It is also much neater for the people receiving the goods. They get a nice present with their name on it, they can break the wrapping now or have a ready made package for later. |
Jasmine Assasin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
165
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Posted - 2014.05.18 13:32:00 -
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Batolemaeus wrote:Petrified wrote:
Why are either party failing the contract? I usually find it simpler to: JF pilot couriers to Alt who couriers back to the JF pilot. The JF Pilot delivers the package and then the alt delivers it again. No failed contracts on record.
Completing a courier contract destroys the plastic wrap container, but the plastic wrap container is what I'm after. I don't want to break the container (aka deliver the courier contract) at the destination because all items will just mix with other deliveries, my own stocks and trading stocks. It is also much neater for the people receiving the goods. They get a nice present with their name on it, they can break the wrapping now or have a ready made package for later.
Interesting, and thanks for the explanation. Although I'm in the process of selling my freighter alt now so yeah... |
Iris Bravemount
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
321
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Posted - 2014.05.18 14:00:00 -
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Everything that makes our Logibro's life less tedious is something I wholeheartedly agree with.
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Techno36
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
4
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Posted - 2014.05.18 14:55:00 -
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I support this idea. |
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Puchoco Voluspa
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
3
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:05:00 -
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Holy molly that actually makes sense. +1 |
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
188
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:53:00 -
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it should have a minimum cost of 10,000 isk - so it's no cheaper than contracts (in fact, make it an NPC sold item?)
For posting an idea into F&I:
come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it.....
If your idea can be abused, it WILL be. |
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
1220
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Posted - 2014.05.18 16:15:00 -
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This is a good idea.
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Torval Shank
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
3
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Posted - 2014.05.18 16:55:00 -
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This needs to be a thing.
Or even just a base cost per m3 or something.
Right-click, "Plastic Wrap."
"This 252,000m3 package will cost XYZ to wrap. Accept this charge?"
I also do like the idea of making plastic wrap an "item" with a limited amount of usage. I.E. one unit of plastic wrap can cover 5000m3 of goods. So your 200,000m3 package will take 40 units of plastic wrap. Just so long as it doesn't get TOO expensive. |
Kaeden Dourhand
Capital Fusion.
Circle-Of-Two
23
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Posted - 2014.05.18 17:56:00 -
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This idea is good, and I see no harm in it.
Other than the environment. poor dolphins, man, getting stuck in plastic wrap leftovers.
This change of policy can only be implemented if facilities are equipped with enough recycling equipment for plastic materials.
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Habris
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:26:00 -
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eh, I really don't see the harm in being able to bubble wrap things +1 |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1376
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:29:00 -
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I suggest this and people tell me I'm an idiot. You suggest it and you get a ton of likes. What gives? I'm not allowed to make intelligent suggestions?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=288396
See? No likes. Not one.
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And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2701
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:49:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Have a like.
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hmskrecik
TransMine Group
German Information Network Alliance
182
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:57:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Just having a glimpse on your thread I think the mistake you made was to make a case of unscannability while here the focus is on goods logistics.
Marketing, dude. :) |
Timandris Telestrion
Telestrion Holdings
11
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Posted - 2014.05.18 19:11:00 -
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Yes, please do this!
May ECM ships forever be the answer to the question " Is solo pvp a good thing?". |
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Nys Cron
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
21
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Posted - 2014.05.18 19:14:00 -
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This is a good idea and should be implemented as soon as possible. |
RatKnight1
Dirty Old Bastards
Nulli Secunda
58
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Posted - 2014.05.18 23:31:00 -
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Why is this not already a thing? +1 |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries
Ash Alliance
413
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Posted - 2014.05.18 23:58:00 -
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Agree completely. This will mkae so much easier getting stuff for multiple members.
Read and support:
Don't mess with OUR WH's
What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2705
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Posted - 2014.05.19 01:31:00 -
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For my serious reply, I will say that anything that gives us more options for organizing our things gets a +1 from me.
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Gothmog VanMorgoth
Ubuntu Inc.
The Fourth District
1
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Posted - 2014.05.19 07:23:00 -
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Yes please! +1
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Qoi
Exert Force
6
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Posted - 2014.05.19 07:28:00 -
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This is a great idea. May i suggest we call it "bubble wrapping" for marketing reasons? I like bubble wrap. |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
377
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Posted - 2014.05.19 07:28:00 -
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Fix unscannable double wraps too please.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Seliah
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
167
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Posted - 2014.05.19 07:30:00 -
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Sounds like a good idea, +1 !
It should however come with a mini-game of popping bubble wraps. This would be a good alternative to ship-spinning. |
Batolemaeus
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
155
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Posted - 2014.05.19 10:00:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Fix unscannable double wraps too please.
That's only tangentially connected to a better UI solution for creating plastic wrap. I don't have any stake in that mechanic, so I'd recommend making a separate thread about it. |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
393
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Posted - 2014.05.19 10:55:00 -
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Iris Bravemount wrote:Everything that makes our Logibro's life less tedious is something I wholeheartedly agree with.
Ditto, +1 distributed.
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