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Slick Slomopavitz
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.19 23:45:00 -
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Vayn Dravix wrote:Only reason i started playing
I can actually echo that sentiment. I've been a sci-fi fan and writer of creative fiction for most of my life and when I came across EVE and gazed upon its aesthetic (website, youtube videos) I had to know more, which I did, and which inspired me to sub so I could get the full effect. I wasn't really that interested in the PVP aspect of the game, I just wanted to get inside and see more of the awesomeness. EVE's game play is another thing entirely, but the sheer magnitude of universe building that went into the design of this game is stunning and really goes a long way to draw one in, should one be so inclined as to dig in and absorb the entirety of EVEdom.
"Some places got a Murphy bed, this place got a Murphy shower. I still don't know where to hang the towels!" |
Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.05.19 23:48:00 -
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Slick Slomopavitz wrote:Vayn Dravix wrote:Only reason i started playing I can actually echo that sentiment. I've been a sci-fi fan and writer of creative fiction for most of my life and when I came across EVE and gazed upon its aesthetic (website, youtube videos) I had to know more, which I did, and which inspired me to sub so I could get the full effect. I wasn't really that interested in the PVP aspect of the game, I just wanted to get inside and see more of the awesomeness. EVE's game play is another thing entirely, but the sheer magnitude of universe building that went into the design of this game is stunning and really goes a long way to draw one in, should one be so inclined as to dig in and absorb the entirety of EVEdom. Well, sounds like we might see you in The Summit sometime.
If we haven't seen your main there already.
Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia | Part-time wormhole pirate | Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary | GÖí #420roloswag
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Slick Slomopavitz
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.19 23:51:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Well, sounds like we might see you in The Summit sometime. If we haven't seen your main there already.
Hey, stranger things have happened...
"Some places got a Murphy bed, this place got a Murphy shower. I still don't know where to hang the towels!" |
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
79
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Posted - 2014.05.19 23:58:00 -
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Slick Slomopavitz wrote:Whether it comes to the race/faction you choose to the ships you fly to the decisions you make in game, how much actually has to do with the universe that CCP has created for this game and how much has to do with just getting into space and making things blow up real good?
Well the "lore" doesn't affect what i choose to fly and how i choose to play, that being said some of the lore is actually really really nice, i used to enjoy reading through the chronicles and i've read a couple of the EVE novels aswell, sure it doesn't affect how i play but its nice to be able to see a little more depth to the universe |
Doreen Kaundur
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Posted - 2014.05.20 00:08:00 -
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When CCP decided to make us all look like Blade Runner, lore went out the window.
Please support this minor color change idea. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
363
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Posted - 2014.05.20 00:11:00 -
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Me gusta. I like the chronicles and the trailers and every now and then I'll do some RP. I came up with a semi-coherent backstory of my own that explains my corp/alliance memberships, friendships with friends, and how all of my alts tie in together - I personally find that treating your journey as a choose your own adventure type of rpg and writing in your friends as characters works really well at making the game less boring.
It's especially fun when doing certain things like cloaky hunting - I like to mentally image the ship and crew going into a full silent mode when I cloak up - some Red October type stuff. Imagining I'm deep in enemy territory for a reason other than 'kill stuff for lols'. When I run missions I go all in with the mission descriptions, etc. and try to not treat it as just shooting red crosses for isk. Same thing when I go null-sec ratting - I'm not making money, I'm helping keep our space safe of the Guristas and Serpentis threats :) |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
280
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Posted - 2014.05.20 00:22:00 -
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Lore is fine, but there is such a little relevance of it in game, that I could whipe all of it out of my memory and enjoy the game just as much. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
213
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Posted - 2014.05.20 00:29:00 -
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It matters quite a lot for me when I make my characters, but not much at all when in game. My grasp of EVE lore is very basic however, and goes something like this:
Amarr = Racist religious fanatics with sticks up their butts. Caldari = Corporate tools with sticks up their butts. Gallente = Artsy fartsy hedonists and friends of the Minmatar. Minmatar = Every man for himself or his tribe, and now the most free people of New Eden, despite their past.
I haven't read the books, and I don't bother to read the chronicles or whatever. I formed my opinion of the empires from in-game and promotional materials and that opinion hasn't changed since 2004.
Anyway, the lore matters enough to me that I would never make an Amarr or Caldari character. Or at least not a main character. But I'll fly Amarr and Caldari ships, and fly in fleets with pilots from those races. I'm even based out of Amarr space these days, and spend most of my time trolling Caldari space. I don't role play or participate in role play events. But I do have some Minmatar pride, and this character is my most pirate-minded character, and was made with that in mind. My others are less aggressive, but still all Minmatar. This also seems to be my character for ship toasting on the forums. |
Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.05.20 00:34:00 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote: I don't role play or participate in role play events. Today is your turn?
Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia | Part-time wormhole pirate | Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary | GÖí #420roloswag
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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
364
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Posted - 2014.05.20 00:37:00 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:It matters quite a lot for me when I make my characters, but not much at all when in game. My grasp of EVE lore is very basic however, and goes something like this:
Amarr = Racist religious fanatics with sticks up their butts. Caldari = Corporate tools with sticks up their butts. Gallente = Artsy fartsy hedonists and friends of the Minmatar. Minmatar = Every man for himself or his tribe, and now the most free people of New Eden, despite their past.
I haven't read the books, and I don't bother to read the chronicles or whatever. I formed my opinion of the empires from in-game and promotional materials and that opinion hasn't changed since 2004.
Anyway, the lore matters enough to me that I would never make an Amarr or Caldari character. Or at least not a main character. But I'll fly Amarr and Caldari ships, and fly in fleets with pilots from those races. I'm even based out of Amarr space these days, and spend most of my time trolling Caldari space. I don't role play or participate in role play events. But I do have some Minmatar pride, and this character is my most pirate-minded character, and was made with that in mind. My others are less aggressive, but still all Minmatar. This also seems to be my character for ship toasting on the forums. All of my mains are Minmatar with the exception of one, my latest trade/hauler alt which I made Caldari to be a ruthless capitalist ;) |
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2014.05.20 00:43:00 -
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I really don't know much about the lore of Eve, and have no plans of changing that. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1558
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Posted - 2014.05.20 00:44:00 -
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While playing the lore means little to me. However it did mean something when i made the character, and from what little i knew back then Minmatar seemed like the "underdog" and i tend to side with the "weaker" ones..the ones no one else likes in no matter what game i play.
But from there the lore sort of stopped affecting anything, and i cared very little about it. It was first after about 7 years that i started to look more into it and develop an interest for the backstory. Currently working on writing my first "story" together with another corp member and spending time around roleplayers that makes my head spin drowning me with information
So why dident i look into it earlier? EVE is huge, and there is a lot of information to take in and understand just to play the game! Then finding your self in various roles within the corporation/alliances, and still not have found the balance where you treat EVE as a game instead of a job.. For me it simply took a long long time to find that balance and find that when i had that balance i have plenty of time to explore other aspects of the game. Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Jon Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2014.05.20 00:49:00 -
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EVE could be a much cooler place if its lore was actually worth a ******* penny. Science fiction is a genre where atmosphere and setting is pretty much 90% of the enjoyment (to me, anyway). I think the first Mass Effect (never played the sequels) was a successful game because of how much time was spent making sure the setting and lore was explained and fleshed out -- the world felt real and believable. EVE has interesting lore and could have awesome atmosphere (especially if something ever comes from WiS), but it's all useless because nothing in the game depends on it -- it's internet spaceships with some lore somewhere way in the background.
I like internet spaceships as much as the next guy, but EVE could be quite a bit more, I think. |
Slick Slomopavitz
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.20 00:54:00 -
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Jon Joringer wrote:EVE could be a much cooler place if its lore was actually worth a ******* penny. Science fiction is a genre where atmosphere and setting is pretty much 90% of the enjoyment (to me, anyway). I think the first Mass Effect (never played the sequels) was a successful game because of how much time was spent making sure the setting and lore was explained and fleshed out -- the world felt real and believable. EVE has interesting lore and could have awesome atmosphere (especially if something ever comes from WiS), but it's all useless because nothing in the game depends on it -- it's internet spaceships with some lore somewhere way in the background.
I like internet spaceships as much as the next guy, but EVE could be quite a bit more, I think.
We might see some of that with Project Legion (even if only on a cursory level) but I'm not sure just how far the long term plans are for it. I do believe that EVE could be so much more than just spaceships shooting at each other (not that there's anything wrong with that) but for as gorgeous as this game looks and for all the intricacies of backstory and world building that went into it, it would be a real treat to see an increased effort to up the immersiveness to epic levels.
"Some places got a Murphy bed, this place got a Murphy shower. I still don't know where to hang the towels!" |
Slick Slomopavitz
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.20 01:00:00 -
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Cpt Tirel wrote:Eve lore is awesome. I read The Burning Life and Empyrean Age and thought both of them were great. In my opinion it is more realistic lore than for example Star Wars. And more imaginative when going into detail than Stargate.
In-game lore stuff is not very interesting, everyone is too busy flying their ships for that. If the door ever opens perhaps things will change.
I totally agree with you. The EVE universe is fantastical AND believable all at the same time, and it feels more "right" than most of its peers, as well as other intellectual properties like Star Wars, Star Trek, etc. This is a fully formed entity from top to bottom, and I can't help but wonder what else CCP has in store for it, because the limitations of being a simple space combat sim (sort of) only go so far. For some, I'm sure that's far enough. But for others...
"Some places got a Murphy bed, this place got a Murphy shower. I still don't know where to hang the towels!" |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
216
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Posted - 2014.05.20 01:04:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Unezka Turigahl wrote: I don't role play or participate in role play events. Today is your turn? I'm not chatty enough to be a role player. I'm far less talkative in-game than on the forums, particularly in local. I role play a mute small-time spacepirate. There hows that?
Born on the planet Ogo, part of an intellectual elite, preparing to subjugate the barbarian hordes on Pluto... yeah I'm just not cut out for this... |
Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.05.20 01:08:00 -
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Slick Slomopavitz wrote:Jon Joringer wrote:EVE could be a much cooler place if its lore was actually worth a ******* penny. Science fiction is a genre where atmosphere and setting is pretty much 90% of the enjoyment (to me, anyway). I think the first Mass Effect (never played the sequels) was a successful game because of how much time was spent making sure the setting and lore was explained and fleshed out -- the world felt real and believable. EVE has interesting lore and could have awesome atmosphere (especially if something ever comes from WiS), but it's all useless because nothing in the game depends on it -- it's internet spaceships with some lore somewhere way in the background.
I like internet spaceships as much as the next guy, but EVE could be quite a bit more, I think. We might see some of that with Project Legion (even if only on a cursory level) but I'm not sure just how far the long term plans are for it. I do believe that EVE could be so much more than just spaceships shooting at each other (not that there's anything wrong with that) but for as gorgeous as this game looks and for all the intricacies of backstory and world building that went into it, it would be a real treat to see an increased effort to up the immersiveness to epic levels. Short term? We won't see any development on the avatar side of things.
You'll go a long way to find someone who's more enthusiastic about avatar gameplay and immersion than me, and being tired of all the forum-debates, conjecture, uncertainty, rumors and stray Dev comments I recently decided to ask a certain developer directly where we all stand in terms of avatar/WiS development and was told in no-uncertain terms that right now the focus is 100% on the spaceship game with no short-term plans to work on the avatar side of things.
But long term? I believe it's inevitable that we'll see avatar based gameplay and other things that allow us to immerse ourselves as our characters further, rather than just immersion in the form of a lump of metal flying around under water, shooting at other lumps. It's the natural evolution of almost any game-world IMO, the aim is always to work toward making things more real, lending to further immersion. EVE will go that way too, otherwise what's the point of Lore at all, beyond a superficial framework?
Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia | Part-time wormhole pirate | Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary | GÖí #420roloswag
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Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.05.20 01:09:00 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Unezka Turigahl wrote: I don't role play or participate in role play events. Today is your turn? I'm not chatty enough to be a role player. I'm far less talkative in-game than on the forums, particularly in local. I role play a mute small-time spacepirate. There hows that? Born on the planet Ogo, part of an intellectual elite, preparing to subjugate the barbarian hordes on Pluto... yeah I'm just not cut out for this... Mute huh?
I can work with that ...
Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia | Part-time wormhole pirate | Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary | GÖí #420roloswag
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
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Posted - 2014.05.20 01:35:00 -
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Slick Slomopavitz wrote:I totally agree with you. The EVE universe is fantastical AND believable all at the same time, and it feels more "right" than most of its peers, as well as other intellectual properties like Star Wars, Star Trek, etc. This is a fully formed entity from top to bottom, and I can't help but wonder what else CCP has in store for it, because the limitations of being a simple space combat sim (sort of) only go so far. For some, I'm sure that's far enough. But for others...
I think it would be cool for CCP to open up a planet for on-foot exploration. They could still keep the harsh pvp-focus by making the game function a lot like Day Z. Just without the zombies. Wide open terrain like Day Z or Red Dead Redemption. Free for all pvp, lose all your gear when you die. It would be about exploring an alien planet and trying to survive, maybe have the ability to scout for deposits of some sort that you can mine through PI, to tie it into EVE. I dunno. I think it would be more interesting to have a separate economy for the planet and just a few things that tie into space. It would just be cool to explore a hostile alien world, check out the flora and fauna, get into shootouts. Sort of like what the early explorers of the American west went through. Maybe there could be developments/cities here and there that have no pvp or limit it somehow, with the wilderness being free for all. They could start it on a desert planet so there would only be one environment to create assets for. Open up an ice planet a couple years later... ship goods between planets using EVE ships to make a hefty markup and build things that can not be built with one planet's materials alone.
Dust/Legion is not very interesting to me. Its just a team deathmatch game. Who cares.
And then there's movies... EVE movies would be cool if done well. No one ever makes movies with lots of cool spaceships. Star Wars still hasn't been beat in that regard and that was nearly 40 friggen years ago.
Sometimes EVE's universe does seem horrendously under-utilized.
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Slick Slomopavitz
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.20 01:42:00 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:
And then there's movies... EVE movies would be cool if done well. No one ever makes movies with lots of cool spaceships. Star Wars still hasn't been beat in that regard and that was nearly 40 friggen years ago.
Sometimes EVE's universe does seem horrendously under-utilized.
I've been wondering if CCP will ever foray into the cinematic arena. Hell, the promo videos they put out for the game are already mini-masterpieces! They're sitting on top of a gold mine here, and while it's encouraging to see them branching out into comic books and the proposed EVE television series, there could - and should - be so much more. SO much more.
"Some places got a Murphy bed, this place got a Murphy shower. I still don't know where to hang the towels!" |
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Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes The Volition Cult
639
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Posted - 2014.05.20 05:12:00 -
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It doesn't really affect my in game decisiona but reading about it is nice. Lore in eve is written in a really good way. |
Sibyyl
Brave Collective
1040
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Posted - 2014.05.20 05:18:00 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:Born on the planet Ogo, part of an intellectual elite, preparing to subjugate the barbarian hordes on Pluto... Are you also divergent, friend? *put my head on your shoulder* Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI |
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
123
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Posted - 2014.05.20 05:57:00 -
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I find lore important and it has affected my gameplay and career decisions of my main and these highest-SP alts. I wish it played an even bigger role in today's EVE.
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Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
387
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Posted - 2014.05.20 06:03:00 -
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I love the lore have read all the stories and books, and given the choice if i have to spend some time in highsec i'll hang around the minmatar region of space. However i'll fly any damn ship if it sounds cool. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1133
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Posted - 2014.05.20 06:04:00 -
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Eve is real.
That being said Incarna lore is my favorite because I was part of it. I shot a statue and it made some guy cry onstage a couple of months later.
Put that in you pod goo and space barbie it. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
302
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Posted - 2014.05.20 09:14:00 -
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Almost zero.
But I wouldn't want 'polycarbon engine housing' rigs to be named 'speed and agility enhancers'. |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
1640
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Posted - 2014.05.20 09:23:00 -
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If you love EvE online and haven't bought the books to take on holiday and quench your EvE addiction then you are a Scrublord. |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
220
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Posted - 2014.05.20 09:24:00 -
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Absolutely zero. As far as I'm concerned, Eve has no lore. Space lonely? www.multicamchat.com |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.05.20 09:27:00 -
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I like some parts, but the vast majority of it is terrible
Id be more interested if it wasnt so poor and uninteresting
That said, Sebiestors should be exterminated as a pestilence "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Jur Tissant
Hemah Industries
62
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Posted - 2014.05.20 09:43:00 -
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I wish it was more prominent. Other games base entire expansions on lore and it can be rather enthralling. EVE has a unique universe, but missions just boil down to repetitive tasks which have nothing to do with it. |
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