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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.20 22:47:00 -
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Very little. All the good lore is in books and videos and very poorly presented inside the game.
This post made me think of this article. http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/8521/Games-and-Story-The-Third-Paradigm.html
CCP should look into storytelling methods appropriate to games, not books and movies. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Jim Era
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Posted - 2014.05.20 22:52:00 -
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Amarr #1 WatGäó |
Zendane
Phoibe Enterprises
215
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Posted - 2014.05.20 22:52:00 -
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I'm not an RP'er but I like the lore. It makes the game more than a physics engine with ship statistics.
I chose my character faction and bloodline because it seemed the closest match to my own philosophy. Since I'm terrible at FPS games I deliberately picked a missile-based faction. Yeah, all that turned out to be pointless in the long term seeing as we can fly any type of ship but perhaps it helped me integrate into the game, even if only a tiny bit. Lore didn't dictate what type of ships I fly, but it did help me ease into my starting ships.
I wish the lore played a more meaningful role in current events. I can understand why certain events in lore are not present in the game (the Elder war and the Nefantar's actual purpose, for instance) because they would break certain game mechanics such as standings. As it stands now the lore makes as fascinating but static reference to what has happened in New Eden's past with minimal impact on its future. I would love to see this changed.
Zendane Creator of the Eve Reader Podcast, a recording of Eve's backstories in audio format.
Zendane_Eve on Twitter. |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
223
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Posted - 2014.05.20 22:59:00 -
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Vivec Septim wrote:For Vivec, lore is important.
He flies only Amarr He missions in Amarrian ships He flies, he fights, for the honor of the Empress
He couldn't be bothered to come up with his own name and instead uses one that references another franchise, so he is eternally OOC.
doh.
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Slick Slomopavitz
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.20 23:35:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote: Every npc is some portrait with a barely pronounceable name that appears as if it were just randomly generated.
I hereby award you ALL THE LIKES!!!
"Some places got a Murphy bed, this place got a Murphy shower. I still don't know where to hang the towels!" |
Aiwha
Trans Secunda Nulli Secunda
746
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Posted - 2014.05.20 23:35:00 -
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Considering its the key to unlocking various content in game, VERY. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
267
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Posted - 2014.05.21 00:02:00 -
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Slick Slomopavitz wrote:Whether it comes to the race/faction you choose to the ships you fly to the decisions you make in game, how much actually has to do with the universe that CCP has created for this game and how much has to do with just getting into space and making things blow up real good? It was great fun and experience during and after Apocrypha when CCP Dropbear was leading an active conversation with players regarding the lore behind wormholes. If I remember correctly, there were 3 main threads discussing the subject and all of them were pretty epic. Here's one of them: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1314015
I was telling the whole story to many new players that I've met during the last couple of years. About sleepers, Vitrauze project, how some of the planets in EVE became shattered, the significance of Oruze Osobnyk and it's meaning and The Mirror. No matter what the main play style of the player I was telling the story was - casual player, highsec carebear, hardcore PvP-er - everyone enjoyed it and got hooked on the storyline.
The story was one of the best pieces of Sci-fi I've encountered and I'm sure at least some of the players that have heard/read it are in the game because of it, no matter what they are doing in-game now. My signature got stolen (o.0) |
Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
8022
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Posted - 2014.05.21 00:03:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:R... P... Overload... GAH!
I appreciate the level of detail present in the lore, and how the lore translates to ingame events. I'm not playing D&D in eve though. Wasn't an ounce of RP in that post.
Also, you've obviously never played D&D.
Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia | Part-time wormhole pirate | Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary | GÖí #420roloswag
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Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
8022
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Posted - 2014.05.21 00:09:00 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote: so he is eternally OOC.
doh.
So kinda like a mute Vherokior then?
doh!
Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia | Part-time wormhole pirate | Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary | GÖí #420roloswag
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
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Posted - 2014.05.21 00:20:00 -
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I like reading the lore but the capsuleer thing has some holes in it. |
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
524
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Posted - 2014.05.21 00:52:00 -
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some of the lore is great for explaining stuff that happens in game, like the wormholes, the bright star that vanished, dust clone tech, soon valk clone tech, the prophecy trailer, etc. 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
443
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Posted - 2014.05.21 01:11:00 -
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To me it's like the garnish on a fine dinner meal. It's not something that many will express a great deal of appreciation for but it is something that they notice - at some level. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
128
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Posted - 2014.05.21 09:12:00 -
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Just shy above zero. Besides making some Caldari/Gallente/Minnie/Amarr are scum/Master Race remarks every now and then I couldn't care less.
This might have something to do with the fact that EVE has the immersive experience of holding your willy in your right hand and pretending to be in a fighter jet.... |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
2020
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Posted - 2014.05.21 15:49:00 -
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I'm not an RPer in game but I definitely enjoy the lore and have read the novels. Kinda wish CCP would bring back the little lore news bulletins you used to see when you logged in. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
26
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Posted - 2014.05.22 02:04:00 -
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Just some noise in the cosmic background. |
Kenneth Endashi
Green Skull LLC
23
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Posted - 2014.05.22 02:51:00 -
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It matters to me. I adore science fiction.
Philip K. ****, Arthur C. Clarke, Robert Heinlein and others invite me to peer into their worlds. EVE lets me exist there. Backstory is crucial. |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
263
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Posted - 2014.05.25 02:15:00 -
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I find Eve's lore fascinating, and wished it had more of a true impact in PvE. But honestly, I make virtually no use of the lore. |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
393
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Posted - 2014.05.25 09:04:00 -
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I enjoy reading it when ccp bother to add stories You only-árealise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead. |
chiq Mech
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.25 10:52:00 -
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there's not enough lore imo. Eve would be infinitely better if lore twisted itself around gameplay. I'd like to get to know npcs better, for them to influence gamestyle choices. When running missions to actually feel they matter in some way, altering the universe.
Same goes with exploration activities: would be much more immersive if archaeology/hacking was connected to rich stories, perhaps discovering aspects of lore uncovered before, maybe even integrating it with Jovian space. Maybe this requires another post, but atm exploration - and most activities - are entirely about isk creation. Exploration + lore could be an incredible addition to deepening the Eve experience, maybe discovering secrets that lead to hidden bases where unique skills can be acquired from ancient hidden races and so on and so on. Would be much more interesting for those who find pew pew dull. |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.05.25 11:07:00 -
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It never did for me .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
263
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Posted - 2014.06.06 14:33:00 -
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the lore in Eve is inappropriately used. As is, lore is just an excuse for an origin to any new feature added to the game. Little more than a backwards looking descriptor for game elements. For example, the fact that Incursions are Sancha comes off more as a random selection than because Sancha was selected for a reason. No PvE really has any unique lore 'flavor' beyond which ammo to load or tank modules to fit.
The lore becomes a yoke around the neck of gameplay. Lore is why we have NPC's with single DPS types and tank types- meaning that lore is the justification for the dull, repetitive nature of (combat) PvE. It's also why there is such a huge gulf between PvE and PvP, and why people can shoot rats for years in Eve, yet be clueless as to PvP. Why would powerful NPC factions so limit themselves to a single type of tank? Because the lore says they do. The lore pretends there is a difference between NPC's when in reality, they are all basically the same AI, using the same tactics. The difference between NPC's really boils down to modeling skins.
Lore just doesn't matter. The origins of one pirate faction or another is irrelevant since other than tuning some resists and ammo selection, they are virtually identical. Who you fight is a matter of which faction CCP dropped in the area you are in anyway. ie- I shoot Serpentis not because I chose them- but merely because the ONLY rats in the entire chunk of the map I live in, will always be Serpentis.
The Lore also doesn't make basic sense. How can 'pirate' factions have far larger navies and resources than the official empires? Since we wipe out entire armadas of pirates with every anom, mission, or belt encounter- and thousands of capsuleers are doing this daily-- that would make the pirate NPC's vastly VASTLY more powerful than the official empires. We see very little space travel that isnt capsuleers in empire space, but pirate NPC's seem to have limitless resources and pilots. |
Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2014.06.06 14:52:00 -
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The lore of EVE Online is the lore of the null sec alliances. Who cares about the rest? For all i care they introduce the Jove who look suspiciously like space pandas suddenly. Doesnt affect my playstyle at all. *Snip* Removed trolling part of the post. ISD Ezwal.*Snip* *Snip*-áPlease refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.*Snip* *Snip*-áRemoved part of the post for not having enough pssssshhhhhh. ISD Ezwal.-á*Snip* |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Posted - 2014.06.06 14:56:00 -
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It's like when you go to see a movie at the cinema and the effects are state of the art but the story is non-existent. Then you don't give a f*** about the characters and the movie is s***. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
711
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Posted - 2014.06.06 15:01:00 -
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I've found the in-game stuff to be not very enticing, I've never bothered with out of game lore.
Higgs Foton wrote:The lore of EVE Online is the lore of the null sec alliances. Who cares about the rest? For all i care they introduce the Jove who look suspiciously like space pandas suddenly. Doesnt affect my playstyle at all.
lore of the nullsec alliances to me is like trying to sit through an episode of the Tim and Eric show. It is really hard to change your signature settings |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.06 15:11:00 -
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Kenneth Endashi wrote:It matters to me. I adore science fiction.
Philip K. ****, Arthur C. Clarke, Robert Heinlein and others invite me to peer into their worlds. EVE lets me exist there. Backstory is crucial.
2 out of 3 aint bad
I love **** too "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
183
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Posted - 2014.06.06 15:44:00 -
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A lot. Too bad the the integration of lore within game-play is somewhat limited in EVE.
"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit It never felt so good, I never felt so hid" - Ramona McCandless, Untitled |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1150
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:28:00 -
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Part of what bothers me about Eve is its half assed-ness.
I was directed to Eve lore whenever we had the "does your ship have crew" debate several years ago. Some of what was presented said there was a crew present, some of it said there was not. After the first round the devs came by and insisted there was. Then they never did anything about it. So the lore contradicted itself and the lore that the devs said was right was left out of the game.
The general backstory is ok I guess, but largely irrelevant.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1501
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Posted - 2014.06.06 18:32:00 -
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^^ history is full of contradictions, broken testimonies, and incomplete accounts. I like the ambiguity of the crew because honestly we can justify both cases by the lore of the Capsuleer and their pod. I personally like the idea that a Capsuleer is alone aboard their ship. EVE's lore is also augmented by player experiences and history which make things even more complex and contradictory.. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2504
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Posted - 2014.06.06 18:57:00 -
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I really wish it mattered because I would enjoy it if did. But really seems to be ignored by the game. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.06 19:02:00 -
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EvE Lore
Better than 40k & WoW
Weaker than Battletech & Traveller "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
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