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admiral root
Red Galaxy
1263
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Posted - 2014.05.22 18:37:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:admiral root wrote:"In Corp agression needs to go to encourage more people to move out of NPC corps without worry of being instantly killed by some random person joining their corp." You can't really argue with the logic here though.
Humour.  No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Myxx
742
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Posted - 2014.05.22 18:45:00 -
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I like potatos. Preferably mashed with butter and bacon.
Good luck on your survey. Answered it. |

Sven Viko VIkolander
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
228
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Posted - 2014.05.23 00:00:00 -
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I was going to simply say, nice survey and thanks for displaying the results visually, it is cool to see them.
However, then I saw all the comments included...
My favorites are:
"Wardec corporations do a service by destroying weak corporations that do not deserve to exist." - lol, this makes eve sound like "ant colonies online" or something
"James315 4 CSM Death to all ultra-carebears"
" I Invested a lot of money in James's vision it was the best investment i ever did."
" I'd like an option to self destruct my ship to completely destroy everything on it and prevent gankers from getting anything."
"eve is dying!!"
"dickbutt"
"FREE EROTICA1, FREE DIERON, FREE INFINITE RICE PUDDING!"
"42"
I lol'ed |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6483
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Posted - 2014.05.23 00:05:00 -
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"42" was me. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
187
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Posted - 2014.05.23 02:32:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote:You can't really argue with the logic here though. Yes you can. See, watch me lol. Not the squarest angle on the protractor are you?
If a player is worried about being blown up by corp mates they're less likely to join a player corp.
I don't see where you struggled to understand this very basic application of logic. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. |

Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
284
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Posted - 2014.05.23 04:17:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote:You can't really argue with the logic here though. Yes you can. See, watch me lol. Not the squarest angle on the protractor are you? If a player is worried about being blown up by corp mates they're less likely to join a player corp. I don't see where you struggled to understand this very basic application of logic. Quote:I'd like an option to self destruct my ship to completely destroy everything on it and prevent gankers from getting anything. I think SD should revert back to this function, if you know you're going to die but can hold out for the full 2 minutes why not give you the ability to deny assets to the enemy? Modern tactics is hardly against this idea, deny as much as you can to the enemy.
How about leaving it up to the players to discern which are the good corps, which are traps, which are war-dec pinatas, and which are just horrible places to be in? For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/
High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1607
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Posted - 2014.05.23 06:32:00 -
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I don't think these carebears know how much hard work goes into killing them. If they appreciated how much work and planning it usually takes they might understand why having a "you get nothing for your effort" button isn't a good thing.
Murdering people who run and hide from even the faintest sign of danger is not a simple task. |

Sibyyl
Brave Collective
1194
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Posted - 2014.05.23 06:49:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Murdering people who run and hide from even the faintest sign of danger is not a simple task. Oh, now you're being self referential. Clever. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1347
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Posted - 2014.05.23 07:03:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Is there really a way to reach out to those who don't want to interact with other people in the game?
(Besides ganking them and sending the survey with the termination notice, which is already being done.)
But carebears and new players aside, I believe MOST of the wealth in the game is being produced in high-sec. 5 Freighter kills I made in high-sec yesterday were worth more than two weeks of pvp kills and losses in fountain.
2012-2013 figures showed that the majority of Isk produced was made in Nullsec just as an interesting note. With WH's being the next largest source of Isk.
Lacking any FW figures for LP made I wasn't able to compare Low sec LP production to high sec (As you can at least estimate high sec LP production via extrapolation) but judging by the amount a single farmer makes and all the complaints about them low sec should be significantly out producing high sec for LP, & now Null has a finger in the LP pie also (Though probably not a huge portion yet).
PI products are WH/Null mainly, Moon Goo is all Null/Low.
This leaves Mining as the only activity likely to produce more in high. LP as a secondary activity that has a chance due to lack of figures to produce more in high.
Simply because Null/Low/WH wealth also flows through high sec via alts, trade accounts, etc doesn't mean it's being made in high. Very bad assumption to make. |

Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
285
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:31:00 -
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I certainly kill more valuable stuff in high-sec compared to anywhere else in space. With the exception of titans, but those rarely die. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
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Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
190
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Posted - 2014.05.23 16:21:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:How about leaving it up to the players to discern which are the good corps, which are traps, which are war-dec pinatas, and which are just horrible places to be in? I ddin't say change anything, I said his logic was sound.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. |

Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
263
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Posted - 2014.05.23 19:25:00 -
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Could have answered that survey with three words....Burn High Sec. 
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Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
286
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Posted - 2014.05.24 03:53:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:How about leaving it up to the players to discern which are the good corps, which are traps, which are war-dec pinatas, and which are just horrible places to be in? I ddin't say change anything, I said his logic was sound.
Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?
Awoxing is unique to EVE and makes it a special dark hole for all of us. It is practically impossible to build a corp with strangers without proper background checks AND out-of-game IT infrastructure and security. There are many smaller corps that can survive by just recruiting friends though. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1609
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Posted - 2014.05.24 04:17:00 -
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You know, I seemed like Awoxing was much less of a common occurrence before they nerfed every other means of killing people in highsec into the ground. |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
190
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Posted - 2014.05.24 05:00:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote: Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?
The point is they do know they can be killed by corpies, so don't join a player corp. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. |

Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
286
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Posted - 2014.05.25 14:30:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote: Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?
The point is they do know they can be killed by corpies, so don't join a player corp.
I abused the humble bundle offer by rolling out a bunch of clean alts for spying and awoxing work experiencing high-sec content. I was immediately convoed by several recruiters trying to get me to join their mining corp and mission tax farms. Anyone can join corps these days it seems. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/
High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1609
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Posted - 2014.05.25 17:55:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:I abused the humble bundle offer by rolling out a bunch of clean alts for spying and awoxing work experiencing high-sec content. I was immediately convoed by several recruiters trying to get me to join their mining corp and mission tax farms. Anyone can join corps these days it seems. I did the exact same thing. |

Winchester Steele
1153
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Posted - 2014.05.25 18:02:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote: Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?
The point is they do know they can be killed by corpies, so don't join a player corp. I abused the humble bundle offer by rolling out a bunch of clean alts for spying and awoxing work experiencing high-sec content. I was immediately convoed by several recruiters trying to get me to join their mining corp and mission tax farms. Anyone can join corps these days it seems.
Yup. 2 bucks for 3 new awox alts. Works for me. ... |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2014.05.25 18:11:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote: Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?
The point is they do know they can be killed by corpies, so don't join a player corp. I abused the humble bundle offer by rolling out a bunch of clean alts for spying and awoxing work experiencing high-sec content. I was immediately convoed by several recruiters trying to get me to join their mining corp and mission tax farms. Anyone can join corps these days it seems. I can only really answer that with "so what?" If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6516
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Posted - 2014.05.25 18:20:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote: Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?
The point is they do know they can be killed by corpies, so don't join a player corp. I abused the humble bundle offer by rolling out a bunch of clean alts for spying and awoxing work experiencing high-sec content. I was immediately convoed by several recruiters trying to get me to join their mining corp and mission tax farms. Anyone can join corps these days it seems. I can only really answer that with "so what?"
It completely disproves your point.
Not only are people willing to hire, but there are tons more who are willing to join. As an awoxer myself, I can tell you full well that the recruitment scene does NOT suffer due to the existence of awoxing. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
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Winchester Steele
1162
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Posted - 2014.05.25 20:51:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote: Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?
The point is they do know they can be killed by corpies, so don't join a player corp. I abused the humble bundle offer by rolling out a bunch of clean alts for spying and awoxing work experiencing high-sec content. I was immediately convoed by several recruiters trying to get me to join their mining corp and mission tax farms. Anyone can join corps these days it seems. I can only really answer that with "so what?" It completely disproves your point. Not only are people willing to hire, but there are tons more who are willing to join. As an awoxer myself, I can tell you full well that the recruitment scene does NOT suffer due to the existence of awoxing.
Thank Bob for low-information Eve players. ... |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2014.05.26 13:18:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:It completely disproves your point.
Not only are people willing to hire, but there are tons more who are willing to join. As an awoxer myself, I can tell you full well that the recruitment scene does NOT suffer due to the existence of awoxing. I would explain why you're wrong, but I already did that, instead here is a graphical representation of my reaction. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6533
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Posted - 2014.05.26 13:28:00 -
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Sorry, but your "cause I said so" doesn't really work here.
You're just making an allegation that is unsubstantiated in order to further an agenda. That is not acceptable.
"highsec aggression" does not hurt corp recruitment. I know because I do it every week or so.
You have zero evidence that players being aware that corp mates can shoot them hurts recruitment. You don't even have anecdotal evidence, you are just pulling this assertion out of thin air.
So knock off the crap. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2014.05.26 16:20:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:"highsec aggression" does not hurt corp recruitment. I know because I do it every week or so.
You have zero evidence that players being aware that corp mates can shoot them hurts recruitment. You don't even have anecdotal evidence, you are just pulling this assertion out of thin air.
At least one person understands then. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. |

Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
304
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Posted - 2014.06.05 11:56:00 -
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Shameless bump for more responses.
Tell us how you feel. Has Kronus affected the way you suicide gank? For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
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