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Tania Nie
Paleozoic Era
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Posted - 2014.05.20 20:41:00 -
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Activation Cost: 10 - 12 GJ Activation Time: 12s Bonus: UNCHANGED
I've trained all scanning skills to level 5, got 'AR-810' plugged in. When using 'Sisters Combat Scanner Probes', I can only gain 2.8 Sensor Strength Bonus if 2 'Scan Rangefinding Array II' are fitted on my Helios.
Is this teeny-tiny bonus considered OP to the Devs?
I highly doubt someone would decloak and put his/her ship in danger for that 2.8 'bonus'. |
Tragot Gomndor
Rise of Cerberus
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Posted - 2014.05.20 22:27:00 -
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If that is true, noone is gonna use them ever again. Maybe scanning noobs in t1 frigs. 0.0 = GOONS = SAAAMMMMEEE!!!!1111222 |
Legion40k
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
76
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Posted - 2014.05.21 00:20:00 -
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i don't even
o.o
because that's clearly how to nerf scanning.. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2755
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Posted - 2014.05.21 04:02:00 -
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Meh. They were a little too good as it is. I personally don't see an issue; this means that if you want their benefit, you have to stay exposed, and cannot cloak.
If this takes place, the net effect, as pointed out, is that far fewer people will use them. I got along just fine before they were introduced. I'll be fine afterward. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:28:00 -
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I'll make fine perfectly without them but I cant see any scenerio where these now will be anything but garbage? Is the idea to make them possible to overheat? If so it would be interesting to see the effect in a red giant system. But still. Would never use them for anything actual useful if this change go through. ~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |
Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:53:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Meh. They were a little too good as it is. I personally don't see an issue; this means that if you want their benefit, you have to stay exposed, and cannot cloak.
If this takes place, the net effect, as pointed out, is that far fewer people will use them. I got along just fine before they were introduced. I'll be fine afterward.
No, just no.
This makes them worthless to all of w-space and just about for anyone else.
They have little use in buffing scanning sigs, their primary use is making combat scanning faster/better.
If your doing this uncloaked your doing it wrong and most of the time your target will get away.
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Ezekiel Marr
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2014.05.21 08:46:00 -
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They were pretty OK when they were passive. Now, when you actually need to decloak to use them, the bonus is way too small to justify the risk. And please don't tell me to pay attention to overview and d-scan to avoid incoming threats: to successfully scan I already have system scanner and system map to look at. I propose buffing the bonus on them to compensate for cap usage and introduce passive version of these mods with smaller bonuses. |
Jack Miton
Rolled Out
3394
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Posted - 2014.05.21 09:09:00 -
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Q: how do you make an entire line of modules useless immediately? A: this is how...
GG ccp, as always Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
Jezza McWaffle
Blackstar Privateers Disavowed.
115
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Posted - 2014.05.21 10:03:00 -
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Its nice to know CCP knows what they are doing... C6 Wormhole blog http://holelotofwaffle.wordpress.com/ |
Rena Senn
Resurrection Ventures Un.Bound
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Posted - 2014.05.21 10:18:00 -
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I propose a new rule that anyone who rebalances an item or ship has to use it for at least 6 hours of relevant gameplay after it goes live on the main server so they'll know first hand just how much they may or may not have messed up. |
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.21 10:20:00 -
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I like it.
It's a new choice to the prober. Decloak and probe faster, the enemy might see you on d-scan. Probe without them and the enemy might see your probes.
The Virture set club rejoice :) German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Ong
Born-2-Kill
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Posted - 2014.05.21 10:23:00 -
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Confirming that this is true, was about to come make a rage thread but I'll just post here.
I thought Fozzie was bad at his job but whoever at CCP thought this was a good plan should be fired on the spot as they obviously have no freaking clue about the game or what is a good or bad idea.
At least it frees up some mid spots for other fittings again I suppose. |
Luscius Uta
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Posted - 2014.05.21 11:01:00 -
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What's the point of this when you can still scan cloaked? It's like locking an open door. Highsec is for casuals. |
Ammzi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
1774
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Posted - 2014.05.21 11:19:00 -
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Guess which modules I will be trashing off all my t3 and t2 cov ops probers? Yup - all of these.
Good job CCP |
killerlman
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.05.21 11:37:00 -
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This change just make people who does scanning at pvp,huge battles life harder. I do combat scanning at huge battles and must say that if you implement this to tq its gonna ruin all my fits and whole concept of it. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.21 11:38:00 -
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killerlman wrote:This change just make people who does scanning at pvp,huge battles life harder. I do combat scanning at huge battles and must say that if you implement this to tq its gonna ruin all my fits and whole concept of it.
Does that mean you have to adapt?
What changes at the concept? German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
killerlman
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.05.21 11:40:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:killerlman wrote:This change just make people who does scanning at pvp,huge battles life harder. I do combat scanning at huge battles and must say that if you implement this to tq its gonna ruin all my fits and whole concept of it. Does that mean you have to adapt? What changes at the concept?
The concept is to kill offgrid boosters and my fit contains one rangefinding array II. And you know when local is 400+ its a bit hard to control your probes but now you forced to control your ass too. |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
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Posted - 2014.05.21 11:55:00 -
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Major nerf to scanning in wormholes ... thx CCP |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
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Posted - 2014.05.21 12:24:00 -
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Well, now I'm glad I kept putting off skilling up my scan-skill beyond 4. With scanning modules now becoming active, I'll just stop feeling guilty about not using them in my fits. Too bad about my covert-ops frigs, though. They had scan modules just because there was plenty of space, not because I really needed them.
I guess I have to adapt by putting something else in there now. |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.21 12:30:00 -
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Hi CCP!
If you guys want to make active scanning modules to help out the people in hisec and nullsec who can't tell their heads from the hole in their backsides, that's cool. Awesome, even. Make new modules. In fact, there are a number of either active-only or passive-only modules that could use their complementary modules (some drone upgrades, omni-resist shields, etc). It will give industrialists more to make and sell, it will give players more to spend money on, and it will even be a net buff to your core areas without harming anyone.
This is another example of a change that you guys are making / have made that will negatively affect W-space. W-space is all about cloaking and stealth ... where active modules do not work. Unless, of course, you're going to make these become a special case of modules that work while cloaked (my humble opinion: don't even start down that road).
Please don't just blindly change what is there; create new to supplement the game.
I've written a post elsewhere that attempts to explain to the outsider what Wormhole life is about. If you don't live there, it's really difficult to wrap your mind around how different life is there. Please take a moment and look over the post. We are a small part of this game, certainly, but we are still a part of this game. And we like to make things explode using much shiny.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4586998#post4586998
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
935
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Posted - 2014.05.21 12:39:00 -
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killerlman wrote:l0rd carlos wrote:killerlman wrote:This change just make people who does scanning at pvp,huge battles life harder. I do combat scanning at huge battles and must say that if you implement this to tq its gonna ruin all my fits and whole concept of it. Does that mean you have to adapt? What changes at the concept? The concept is to kill offgrid boosters and my fit contains one rangefinding array II. And you know when local is 400+ its a bit hard to control your probes but now you forced to control your ass too. Ah ok. But that doe not sound like such a big problem.
Scan offgrid / off-dscan? + Stay allignet. Use the new and cheaper virture set. Use d-scan before you start scanning to reduce your scanning time. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Franky Saken
Mafia Redux
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Posted - 2014.05.21 12:50:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:killerlman wrote:l0rd carlos wrote:killerlman wrote:This change just make people who does scanning at pvp,huge battles life harder. I do combat scanning at huge battles and must say that if you implement this to tq its gonna ruin all my fits and whole concept of it. Does that mean you have to adapt? What changes at the concept? The concept is to kill offgrid boosters and my fit contains one rangefinding array II. And you know when local is 400+ its a bit hard to control your probes but now you forced to control your ass too. Ah ok. But that doe not sound like such a big problem. Scan offgrid / off-dscan? + Stay allignet. Use the new and cheaper virture set. Use d-scan before you start scanning to reduce your scanning time. How are you going to provide warpins on top of the enemy fleet then? You can't squad/wing warp unless on grid with your prober and you can't set up 50 behind them uncloaked.
At least, not in time for them to not have moved up a few hundred km again.
Pretty big nerf to combat probing, not as big to w-space, just annoying but as said before if you have max skills you don't need these modules anyway for the barely no return (unless probably you scanning things like petes). Pretty big nerf to newer players.
Is this all fallout from the scanning changes? I'm all for making prober harder again so no mad here, just pointing out what's wrong in your post. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2756
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Posted - 2014.05.21 12:52:00 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote: No, just no.
Yes, just yes.
Quote: If your doing this uncloaked your doing it wrong and most of the time your target will get away.
Don't do it uncloaked. Time to put on your big boy pants, dig out that virtue clone, and do it like it used to be done before CCP put probing into easy mode. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
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Posted - 2014.05.21 12:57:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Hatshepsut IV wrote: No, just no.
Yes, just yes. Quote: If your doing this uncloaked your doing it wrong and most of the time your target will get away.
Don't do it uncloaked. Time to put on your big boy pants, dig out that virtue clone, and do it like it used to be done before CCP put probing into easy mode.
Yes. Swapping clones in wspace. Brilliant. Such knowledge. ~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |
JetCord
People of Random Nature
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Posted - 2014.05.21 13:13:00 -
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thank you ccp for making combat scanning harder in a system full of red
tell me what is the rationale behind making the scanning mod need to be activated?
if this changes go through then you might as well remove these mod from the game as most of us will refit our probing ships to the time when these mod not yet existed
are gonna make them scriptable? able to be OH?
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.05.21 13:40:00 -
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I'm tired of being diplomatic... If this change is intended, the developer who implemented it is a ******* idiot. +1 |
Ralero Bonewish
Quovis The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.05.21 13:53:00 -
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What is this. I don't even..
CCP, stop while you are ahead. |
killerlman
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.05.21 14:29:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:I'm tired of being diplomatic... If this change is intended, the developer who implemented it is a ******* idiot.
Dont want to be harsh but yes,i am agree with you. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1920
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Posted - 2014.05.21 14:31:00 -
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Lol, wut?
omg... do you even... I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
1490
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Posted - 2014.05.21 14:36:00 -
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Jesus, the whining....
This is a good change. Scanning is too easy as it is a s at some point CCP needs to support the whole point of eve, which is conflict. It they don't make changes like this, which is really small, they risk the game becoming more and more watered down where everything is safe.
There are many ways to scan without cloaking. If you can't set up a safe and check scan for combat probes while scanning sites then you have no business scanning in the first place. Hell, I have warp stabs on my Helios anyway and most times I scan from the pos bubble anyway. This is not a big deal considering you can still scan cloaked if you need to anyway, just without mod bonus. GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie
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