As a guy who lives in WH's and scan every time i'm on, I support changes to those silly modules.

Scanning was changed a lot in Odyssey, it was made so easy that it was stupid.
I know of people who stopped buying their Virtue implant sets because scanning was now so easy that the implants simply didn't give them enough of an edge

Scanning a signature with Astrometrics 5 and supports at 4, most of the time only takes 2 sweeps when flying a T3 without the modules and without any scanning implants or rigs.

With scanning modules, implants etc. there is simply no edge to training your skills.

In my opinion you shouldn't nerf the modules, you should throw them in the big bad garbage truck and never think about them again.

Don't get me wrong, this change is a terrible way to balance scanning, but I do honestly believe CCP have to make scanning "harder". In all aspects of EVE there needs to be people who are good and bad at that given aspect.. With the current scanning situation, everyone is good, and that sucks imo. Its only fair that the guy in a rigged cov ops with a virtue set would be faster scanning than a Proteus without rigs or implants and the difference between the 2 isn't big enough atm.

New players have allready gotten a HUGE advantage from when I was scanning for the first time by the astrometric changes. So yeah.. Nerf scanning, make it competitive again.

I miss racing my opponents on scanning a system for intel.

Tell that to the newbie, who is jumping into a C1 with 30+ sigs for the first time. He is NOT going to have a good time regardless of scanning skills. There is still a hell lot of improvements to be gained by experience and practice.

But yeah, scanning is now stupidly easy because you don't have to launch your probes one by one and arrange them in a useful formation anymore

As for competitiveness, I see extremely bad probers all the time ...

If that newbie took the new tutorial, he would know exactly how probing works.
He can even use a full flight of probes even with **** skills.

Sure, scanning 30 signatures takes time, but imo that is okay..
Wormholes lets me move a fleet from Amarr to Cobalt Edge in 5 minuts ignoring cynojammers etc., how is that for power projection?

A newbie in a badger with t1 probes should not be able to scan down the entire world, you unlock content as you skill your character and learn the mechanics and that is how it should be imo.

Scanning now is, even without these modules, so much easier than before, yet people still lived in w-space. Making a newbie able to probe down the entire world without training for it is just.. well, bad design tbh. Might aswell remove those skills and make all signatures anomalies if we want easy-noobfriendly mode? Then we would also get rid of that horrible scan UI :)

Dont want to be harsh but yes,i am agree with you.

If that newbie took the new tutorial, he would know exactly how probing works.
He can even use a full flight of probes even with **** skills.

Sure, scanning 30 signatures takes time, but imo that is okay..
Wormholes lets me move a fleet from Amarr to Cobalt Edge in 5 minuts ignoring cynojammers etc., how is that for power projection?

A newbie in a badger with t1 probes should not be able to scan down the entire world, you unlock content as you skill your character and learn the mechanics and that is how it should be imo.

Scanning now is, even without these modules, so much easier than before, yet people still lived in w-space. Making a newbie able to probe down the entire world without training for it is just.. well, bad design tbh. Might aswell remove those skills and make all signatures anomalies if we want easy-noobfriendly mode? Then we would also get rid of that horrible scan UI :)

Im telling you that controlling the local isnt controlling the field.When i decloaked i am vulnerable to shoot.
The guy who will scan me dont need virtue with pricy hull with fit.But i do,i need virtue and pricy fit to scan and hunt down boosters when huge fleets are fighting. The risk is too high with these changes.

If combat scanning is OP, then it is far more elegant - and controllable (i.e. able to reduce unintended consequence) to nerf combat scan probes directly. Add a penalty to combat scanner effectiveness to the CovOps cloak if you must - and you accomplish the same end without nasty side effects. You could even do it as Morwen Lagaan suggests, and have a variable cloaked vs uncloaked bonus - but I encourage you to tackle the source of your concern, which is combat probing, not cloaking, and not core probing.

Except that combat scanning is not considered overpowered as it stands, but only in conjunction with bonuses offered by the scanning modules. If you nerf combat scanning probes themselves, you then force anyone who uses those probes currently to refit to use the scanning modules or suffer a penalty.

Personally, I use combat probes by default, because if I ever find a ship I need to scan, I don't want to waste time (and increase visibility) by needing to reload my probe launcher from cores to combats.

I agree with you as I mentioned in my post. Soniclover specifically stated that was the impetus for this, thus my point on a more direct nerf if that is their goal. I do think that a legit choice then happens which you wouldn't like but is not a Hobson's choice - do I use combat scans with weaker strength or cores with greater strength and a forced swap?

My choices would not be what you suggest. It is not 'do I use combat scans with weaker strength or cores with greater strength and a forced swap', but 'do I use combat scans with weaker strength or cores with greater strength and a forced swap, as well as needing to fit scanning modules I don't currently use to get the same effect as now?'

I'm a wormholer without maximum scanning skills (yes, yes, I know, train them to 5... lol) and this change will be a major nerf where I'm concerned.

However, I'd argue that this is a symptom of unprobable t3s being broken, not that the scanning modules should stay passive. It should not be required to have a 2b pod in an untanked frigate to probe down an entire fleet of t3s. I think the fix is that the t3 unprobability should be nerfed (probably cap the amount of unprobability you can have at a lower level than now, so you require less to be able to lock onto the most unprobable ships you can get).

New players have allready gotten a HUGE advantage from when I was scanning for the first time by the astrometric changes. So yeah.. Nerf scanning, make it competitive again.

I miss racing my opponents on scanning a system for intel.

One thing to note, this change was requested by quite a few wormhole players immediately after Odyssey and was one of the common requests from the wormhole members of CSM 8. They correctly argued that having these modules passive removes any choice or risk around them and skews the balance between midslots and lowslots for probing ships.

I've had this item on my list of CSM requested wormhole improvements for a while.

I, and countless other players, managed to live in w-space long before these modules existed. So them being passive is not a do-or-die issue for living there. Will their usage drop? Almost certainly, in the short run at least, but this is a change we feel is necessary for the overall balance of scanning.

Did or did not the base strength of scan probes get lowered upon the release these mods? (including the skills that improved them)

Did or did not the base signal strength of sites get lowered upon release of these mods?

Also, you want to make scanning a little less OP....try not giving EVERY SHIP EVER the instant "warp to sites" function the instant they are in every system. Make the new System Scanner a module that one has to fit to their ship, that way, if they want all the instant info, they have to make a choice.

I wonder how you came to that conclusion. Before you brought this up, I have never come across anyone who claimed that combat probing was to easy now.

Then you haven't been listening.

Bomber probing and on grid fleet probing is obscenely simple, and this change doesn't do a damn thing to help sort out that mess, probing needs a lot more violent nerfing applied to it.

It may shock you, but some PVPers scan down sites instead of the ships inside. If you see, for example, wrecks or even a player ship itself on d-scan, you can just move the sliders a bit to look where the ship probably sits and then... you scan down the site the player is most likely in. Then you visit him.

So most PVPers could just evade this issue with special snowflake fits using core probes instead of combat probes. So the modules would still be too powerful in the eyes of CCP.

It may shock you, but some PVPers scan down sites instead of the ships inside. If you see, for example, wrecks or even a player ship itself on d-scan, you can just move the sliders a bit to look where the ship probably sits and then... you scan down the site the player is most likely in. Then you visit him.

So most PVPers could just evade this issue with special snowflake fits using core probes instead of combat probes. So the modules would still be too powerful in the eyes of CCP.

Then you haven't been listening.

Bomber probing and on grid fleet probing is obscenely simple, and this change doesn't do a damn thing to help sort out that mess, probing needs a lot more violent nerfing applied to it.