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Yuri Antollare
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.06.13 10:17:00 -
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Theres always lots of system level explanations with Calmill. This FC left, these corps don't work well together yet, doctrine changes! Pendulum.... etc etc.
Its all very top down no? What about looking at the individual level. If none of your dudes really know what they're doing on their own, you can only leave system with a fleet of 5 or 10 or whatever. How many systems/plexes can they exert control over in a blob like that versus 2-3 people running around that can handle 1 v 1-3?
Time and again I see Caldari putting ten men to the task of plexing just to effectively shut down 1-2 WT in system, its so inefficient and I'm not surprised that the isk is not exactly gushing in Calmill. Equally the ability to ship in to T2, do you want to give Joe Blow Caldari an Eagle, when he spent his whole week being the second griffin in a 12 man group blobbing the hell out of solo plexers?
Galmill in my experience tends to be much more bottom up. We join fleets with no FC, and roam around individually. If it gets to the level one of us can't handle it, we'll feed in people to match the task. We can cover more ground, and we make far more LP per person. People in general are either solo or in micro gangs, both kinds of flying day in day out that require pretty decent levels of readiness in terms of ships on station.
Overall to me our approach seems more holistic. People that in general actually know what they're doing and learn lessons from losses, high levels of readiness, more efficient for LP. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2014.06.13 11:09:00 -
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Saw the zealot loss and my first thought was 800 plate. sure enough.
also evekill is updating again so \o/ for battle reports you can actually read; http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23960790
Also a word on logi, all this talk about us being able to get logi easily is exaggerated. Most people in gal mil are reluctant and some never do (some of those its probably for the best).
However, all logi should be available to be handed out on a corp level, i mean, im in a 1 man corp and have 4 guardians ready to go :p |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
33
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Posted - 2014.06.13 11:52:00 -
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dudes seriously
we already know calmil is extremely bad... we dont need to keep explaining and restating it in 100 different ways
we need to start focusing on the SOLUTION: gal mil civil war |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2014.06.13 12:01:00 -
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wilgotna wrote:dudes seriously
we already know calmil is extremely bad... we dont need to keep explaining and restating it in 100 different ways
we need to start focusing on the SOLUTION: gal mil civil war
Non-sequitur. |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
280
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Posted - 2014.06.13 12:04:00 -
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wilgotna wrote:dudes seriously
we already know calmil is extremely bad... we dont need to keep explaining and restating it in 100 different ways
we need to start focusing on the SOLUTION: gal mil civil war
Let me see if I understand this correctly.
1. Caldari can't field comps to the same level as GalMil.
2. Therefore, Gallente should shoot each other.
Shouldn't the solution be for CalMil to step up and get better?
If all we wanted was to shoot people in shinier comps, we'd go after folks like Exodus / Snuffbox / Shadow Cartel / BALEX. That way we'd get to fly shinier comps and still fly with the folks we've grown close to. |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
33
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Posted - 2014.06.13 12:24:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Shouldn't the solution be for CalMil to step up and get better?
ya and id like emma watson as my personal maid, and maybe some world peace on the side
how bout we focus on a realistic solution: an established galmil corp/alliance joins calmil and shows them how to not be terrible
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wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
33
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Posted - 2014.06.13 12:55:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Non-sequitur.
its not a non sequitur crosi
most of the recent posts have been excuses explaining why calmil is bad
or
explanations of why galmil consistently wins (just another way of saying why calmil is bad, except in reverse)
also, hilariously, battle reports of calmil getting obliterated
yuri has posted in this thread and other threads AT LEAST twice criticizing calmil players on an INDIVIDUAL level - as i have also done several times
but its not enough that calmil players are bad, galmil also has tons of great players to make this situation even more unbalanced: as xgal said - yuri and lexi, two of the best pilots in the game, consistently fly logi for galmil
to even back this up further: i literally offered vicktor hark an isk SALARY to fc calmil fleets just to create content for you people - he declined because fcing calmil pilots is actually PAINFUL - a sentiment which he expressed publicly and often
this thread is a big stinking galmil circlejerk and i just want to help this gallente vs caldari FW be interesting once again |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2014.06.13 13:08:00 -
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Its a non sequitur to say that a gal mil civil war would make caldari better. Thanks for playing though.
To elaborate.
Problem = Caldari militia is bad.
Suggested solution = Gallente have a civil war.
???? = ????
Outcome = Caldari get better?
Logic doesnt follow. |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
33
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Posted - 2014.06.13 13:14:00 -
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nobody said the intended outcome of a civil war was to make calmil better
im thinking a civil war would provide DECENT CONTENT for galmil pilots.
ex.
the problem: the warzone is boring because calmil is bad
a possible solution: civil war OR galmil corp joins calmil
or the other thing i said in response to vesk when he tried to put words in my mouth. (just like you did)
the problem: calmil is bad
a solution: a galmil corp joins calmil
thanks for playing though with your semantic lawyerisms, everyone thinks youre super clever (or maybe you need to learn to read) |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.06.13 13:46:00 -
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wilgotna wrote:nobody said the intended outcome of a civil war was to make calmil better
im thinking a civil war would provide DECENT CONTENT for galmil pilots.
ex.
the problem: the warzone is boring because calmil is bad
a possible solution: civil war OR galmil corp joins calmil
or the other thing i said in response to vesk when he tried to put words in my mouth. (just like you did)
the problem: calmil is bad
a solution: a galmil corp joins calmil
thanks for playing though with your semantic lawyerisms, everyone thinks youre super clever (or maybe you need to learn to read)
Your line of thinking that Caldari are the main opponent of GalMil and that Gallente are bored is flawed. We are not bored. For many of us, Calmil is just a play thing to occupy our time and FW is just a means to make isk while pvping. Quite a few Gallente groups are occupied with how to go toe-to-toe with the larger pirate groups and we are nowhere near capable of doing that. We have plenty to do and it is mostly irrelevant to us whether Caldari improves or not.
QCATS is recruiting:-á
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3896299 |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
280
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Posted - 2014.06.13 13:57:00 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:wilgotna wrote:nobody said the intended outcome of a civil war was to make calmil better
im thinking a civil war would provide DECENT CONTENT for galmil pilots. Your line of thinking that Caldari are the main opponent of GalMil and that Gallente are bored is flawed. We are not bored. For many of us, Calmil is just a play thing to occupy our time and FW is just a means to make isk while pvping. Quite a few Gallente groups are occupied with how to go toe-to-toe with the larger pirate groups and we are nowhere near capable of doing that. We have plenty to do and it is mostly irrelevant to us whether Caldari improves or not.
Wilgotna -
I continue to be amazed at how stubborn you are at insisting the only way GalMIl will get decent "content" (god I effing HATE that phraseology) is to shoot each other.
We're plenty capable of keeping ourselves motivated and entertained without a civil war drama cyno.
You should perhaps accept that fact rather than continuing to concern troll. Just a thought. |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
166
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Posted - 2014.06.13 14:02:00 -
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How is Yuri so good at PvP in forums and in game?
I propose a rebellion against Yuri and see how well he does.
He'd probably win but that's beside the point... |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
33
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Posted - 2014.06.13 14:16:00 -
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andre i can easily say i think your line of thinking is flawed
snuff and sc are coward organizations that are too big for lowsec but are too ***** to go to wormholes or nullsec
galmil will never be able to beat snuff or sc except for maybe some random flukes because galmil does not have half the resources that those two do
when snuff puts 40b in t3s/guards/triage/dreads on the field you wont be able to counter it with 10b of voodoo magic and tactical genius - you need to commit the same amount of isk to the fight to have a decent chance
this was demonstrated in the most recent huge nullsec blobfest where the only thing that was able to defeat the nc/pl 60 titan blob was an even bigger titan blob from cfc
people join FW for the subcap small/medium gang pvp (at least thats why i joined)
if going out in shield af gangs to gank some poor random scrubs while you wait for the next time snuff gets to resize your sphincter is your thing then we are just completely different in our thinking |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2014.06.13 14:23:00 -
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[/url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI8tv_TkrZk]Never beated snuff[/url]
[/url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7AOyDFzzng]They are too stronk, though admittedly it was black legion that held field here[/url] |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2014.06.13 14:23:00 -
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Hmm let's compare these two options...
GalMil could either:
work towards bigger challenges,
or,
fight among themselves like ret*rds.
If it were up to me, I have to admit I'd be torn. |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.06.13 15:21:00 -
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wilgotna wrote:andre i can easily say i think your line of thinking is flawed
snuff and sc are coward organizations that are too big for lowsec but are too ***** to go to wormholes or nullsec
galmil will never be able to beat snuff or sc except for maybe some random flukes because galmil does not have half the resources that those two do
when snuff puts 40b in t3s/guards/triage/dreads on the field you wont be able to counter it with 10b of voodoo magic and tactical genius - you need to commit the same amount of isk to the fight to have a decent chance
this was demonstrated in the most recent huge nullsec blobfest where the only thing that was able to defeat the nc/pl 60 titan blob was an even bigger titan blob from cfc
people join FW for the subcap small/medium gang pvp (at least thats why i joined)
if going out in shield af gangs to gank some poor random scrubs while you wait for the next time snuff gets to resize your sphincter is your thing then we are just completely different in our thinking
I didn't say we can pull it off, I said it was a goal. You are correct in your observations about why Galmil will probably not be able to achieve that goal. We've gone down that path before and failed. I remember Titan humping once and we lost standby dread pilots and a few Vindi's because 5-6 WT frigates jumped into system and those guys reshipped to T1 frigs to go fight them in a novice as they were tired of Titan humping.
It is really, really hard to find the right kind of pilot for a FW corp to be able to go up against Snuff or SC. I tend to classify pilots I come across several buckets:
1. F1 monkey: Poor, low SP character that enjoys blobbing things, thinks they are an awesome PVPer because they fly under an decent FC, and generally won't undock unless that FC has a fleet.
2. Elite F1 monkey: Rich, high SP character that enjoys blobbing things, thinks they are an awesome PVPer because they fly under an extremely talented FC, and generally won't undock unless that talented FC has a fleet.
3. Competent Solo pilot who enjoys fleets: Can stand their ground solo, has good isk flow and med to high SP. Has no problem undocking solo/small gang if nothing else is going on but would prefer a fleet over solo if there is one.
4. Competent Solo pilot who dislikes fleets: Can stand their ground solo, has good isk flow and med to high SP. Has no problem undocking solo/small gang if nothing else is going on and tries to avoid organized fleets if they can.
Everybody starts off in bucket #1. Militia has tons of these types of pilots. As they gain experience, they move to #2 or #3. If the pilot moves to #2, they don't stay in militia long. They want to go join PL or Snuff or Shadow Cartel because they have the better FCs and a solid base of elite F1 monkeys. A few pilots will break away from #2 to move to #3 or #4, but many stay in bucket #2 forever.
Militia tends to have a decent number of the bucket #3 pilots, but again they won't stay in militia long as they prefer fleets to solo/small gang even though they can do solo/small gang. Eventually most of these pilots will grow tired of not having a uber elite FC who plays Eve 20 hours a day to lead them and will leave militia and again go to PL, Snuff, Shadow Cartel, etc.
As a pilot moves to the bitter vet stage, some bucket #3's and a small ground of #2's will fall into bucket #4. Militia pilots that fall into this category will tend to either stay in militia or join a pirate corp to kill everybody in FW lowsec.
At the end of the day, elite pirate corps like Shadow Cartel and Snuffbox are full of #2's and have their fair share of #3 and #4. Militia corps on the other hand are full of #1's, have their fair share of bucket #4's, and have a short window to hold some #3's (before they get tired of waiting and joing the SC/Snuff's of the world).
Maybe someday we will hold enough #3s and be able to cat herd enough #4's into fleet to fight the elite pirate corps, but probably not. We've been trying to do this in QCATS for several years and always fail. It is the cycle of Eve life. FW takes in #1's and turns a good deal of them into #2's, who end up in the corps we are trying to fight. At the same time, we try and recruit #3 and #4 pilots, but every time we do we snag one of these prized pilots we end up losing an equal number of #3 pilot who is tired of waiting for the FW grow into an elite pirate corp.
QCATS is recruiting:-á
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3896299 |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
280
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Posted - 2014.06.13 15:36:00 -
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Not sure about Andre's divisions of pilots and such, but then again I've only been in FW for a year now. I will say that he's absolutely right that there's a large contingent of folks who want to do more than just plex fight. Testing new comps against groups like Exodus and Shadow Cartel and Snuffbox and BALEX is a way for us to stretch our legs and grow while keeping our core identity and not losing sight of our roots. Even if we know we're going to get hotdropped into oblivion, that's kind of a compliment in and of itself - it means we were good enough to force an escalation.
Besides, those escalations provide interesting opportunities of their own, now don't they.... One might recall a system called Asakai from a while back.... |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2014.06.13 15:47:00 -
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Andre, the natural conclusion of your analysis is that GalMil has great pilots but lacks great FCs to capitalize on the potential of both #2 and #3 pilots.
I'm 'young' and barely fly T1 cruisers so I really cannot comment on that. At my level, I had enjoyable (and successful) battles with most if not all of the main GalMil FCs.
But if you're right, would the solution be to specifically recruit FCs? |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
397
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:08:00 -
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OR...you know....QCATS could stop playing LoL, and focus on EVE more. Just saying..  |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
280
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:20:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:But if you're right, would the solution be to specifically recruit FCs?
Or we could do what we're trying to do - take the good FCs we've got and grow them organically into something even more epic.
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Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos
165
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:26:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:But if you're right, would the solution be to specifically recruit FCs? Or we could do what we're trying to do - take the good FCs we've got and grow them organically into something even more epic.
Galmil already has too many FCs to count
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:28:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:But if you're right, would the solution be to specifically recruit FCs? Or we could do what we're trying to do - take the good FCs we've got and grow them organically into something even more epic. You know you have my derptron.
And my Ishtar too, as soon as CCP allows me to fly it. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
697
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Posted - 2014.06.13 17:20:00 -
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It's War Thunder now , get your facts straight :p
Estella Osoka wrote:OR...you know....QCATS could stop playing LoL, and focus on EVE more. Just saying..
nom nom
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wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
33
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Posted - 2014.06.14 01:13:00 -
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it doesnt matter if pilots are "type" 1 2 3 or 69. one you become not-******** everyone is worth pretty much the same in a large fleet.
what matters is how much isk every pilot can and is willing to throw into a fight
qcats can be all diamond league players but that means jack **** when all they bring is a couple of ishtars while every pants-on-head kid from snuff can bring a dread or triage archon if needed |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2278
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Posted - 2014.06.14 01:32:00 -
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Yun Kuai wrote:Galmil already has too many FCs to count
Yeah but not enough of them actually take fleets out. So we're back to square one. |
Luscar Seneca
Elysian.
Heiian Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2014.06.14 21:46:00 -
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In my experience in the gal/cal warzone I would say the Gals tend to be better organized than the caldari, most likely due to the culture of drama that was fairly predominant in my faction. The drama and politics were the main reason I took a break from the warzone and went to amarr. The grass wasnt any greener and then I had an extended stay with world of tanks.
Now I notice there has been a shift in the Caldari culture and it is for the better. I see the alliances working together more and Im pretty optimistic for the future. Even though Im pessimistic by nature. The good attitudes lately remind me of a couple years back when we made a couple good pushes before dying out in deven/fliet.
To the people like Wil who just ***** and complain about expecting establishment to be there in cal mil for them to just hop on and be successful I say : Pull up your socks and help teach the new guys to be successful. The Gals are effective because when they were pushed they came together instead of throwing their hands up and leaving. Im guilty of taking off too and want to get back in the mix.
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Grimwood
Perimeter Defense Systems
Templis CALSF
2
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Posted - 2014.06.15 05:23:00 -
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I'm just going to sit here and misinterpret everything said and imagine that the OP wants Galmil to come together and do a cover of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1fHxPY3TJo&feature=kp |
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
210
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Posted - 2014.06.15 05:50:00 -
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We like to shoot things. |
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
99
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Posted - 2014.06.16 13:40:00 -
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I'll bring it up in our next meeting. But I hope we make this happen.
Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |
Pinky Feldman
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
697
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Posted - 2014.06.20 04:52:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Phox Jorkarzul wrote:What I'm talking about is ful on Civil War. As in Khan and borg were ran off, or WINMATAR and losematar. Why doesn't that happen in the GalMil? If you want a serious answer, I'll give you a serious question: why does that happen in other militia? I can think of two reasons: BOREDOM (which I'm glad we don't have much of) or BOREDOM (such as moons, of which I don't know much about). Other than that, just go pirate if you don't want blues.
FYP. It seems to me that Gallente would rather drop militia as a means to cure their boredom. Lack of loyalty, but I when you're not led by the divine light of your faction's faith, I imagine it would be easier to just walk out the door than purge some heretics.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
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