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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.06.02 22:44:00 -
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They are also good for kb *****s like me  Its easy to get actual fitting of your enemy, just browsing his kb, and making assumptions 
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.06.02 22:49:00 -
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Masta, quite honestly, the way you post on forums is making BE look like clowns / teenage l33t counterstr1kers.
My friendly suggestion would be to make an eve search for Shin Ra's old replies and try to be more like him.
Shamis: when you gang a miner do you really expect him to post the loss (a MINER not a pvpers thats mining)?
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Chronus26
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Posted - 2006.06.02 22:49:00 -
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I post my kills and losses on corp killboards, and kills only on public.
That'll be why my kills to death ratio is so bad then...
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Qayos
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Posted - 2006.06.02 23:23:00 -
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As for ASCN killboard, yes it is currently 'linked'. I know because when I lose a ship, and go to post it 2 minutes later, it gives me errors about malformed mails or something. Of course, the mail is fine, it's just that the other person posted it within that 2 minutes time, and you cannot post a mail twice.
On topic. I'd like to say Vanye Inovske's post was excellent. Killboards are a tool to be used by the people who make them for whatever purpose they want. Lacking losses doesn't make it 'bad'. This isn't counterstrike or Unreal Tournament Deathmatch. This is Eve Online. You DON'T get a point for a kill. You DON'T lose a point for a death! You lose a ship, or a pod, and some modules, that's it.
Again, this isn't UT deathmatch!
(yes, I post all my losses, but not for your reasons, but for my own)
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Dave White
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Posted - 2006.06.03 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Dave White on 03/06/2006 00:17:06
There should be some kind of game-linked killboard that just automaticly posts mails you receive from concord, onto the boards.
Edit: Typos
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.06.03 00:26:00 -
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Here's a news flash for everyone out there. Eve isn't a FPS. No matter how much you try and play it like one, its not. Thats why ASCN is actually successfull at eve, regardless of not being able to tell one end of a 1400 from the other, and why people laugh at BE.
At the end of the day, who in the world cares if your kill ratio is 10:1 or 2:1. If your doing nothing other then running around eve, getting the lots of ganks, and the odd fight, and contributing nothing, other then being an inconvienance to a couple people, then no amount of kill mails will make up for your insignificance.
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.06.03 00:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Masta, quite honestly, the way you post on forums is making BE look like clowns / teenage l33t counterstr1kers.
where have you been the last 2 years?
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Luciender
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Posted - 2006.06.03 00:43:00 -
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The reason why i dont like using killboards is: it supports the gank squad. I really hate the roaming gank squads. And (from what i can see) All the killboards does, is to create more and more gank squads =/. No one loves the small scale pvp action anymore :( well not in 0.0 atleast ¼_¼.
However, i do use Killboards are a great source of intel, especially enemy ones :P, since theyre so eager to post their kill mails...
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.06.03 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Masta, quite honestly, the way you post on forums is making BE look like clowns / teenage l33t counterstr1kers.
where have you been the last 2 years?
Well, maybe its just me but until a few months ago (when fragm was still in be and shin ra handled most the forum circus) my perception of BE was that even tho they were ruthlessly lame / annoying they did have style. Of course this is a personal view...
But when someone just plain posts than any group who is not pvp is a group of losers, in a mmorpg - well its a bit of a laugh 
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.03 02:22:00 -
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I'll not get into the BE thing (They play a different game then us),
As far as the posting lossmails. I post all mine, and welcome it if you have one that I havent posted if you evemail it to me.
Frankly my losses don't embarrass me, I'm not ashamed of the times I've gotten myself killed. I'm only embarrassed about the times I've gotten my friends killed... but lucky for me there isn't a mail for that 
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.06.03 05:53:00 -
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I have 2 points to make.
1) BE are not going to destroy ASCN again this time, just kill you some then leave.
2) Killboard crap blah etc, it does give everyone something good to argue about 
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Netto
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Posted - 2006.06.03 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Edited by: Shin Ra on 03/06/2006 05:57:14
I have 3 points to make.
1) BE are not going to destroy ASCN again this time, just kill you some then leave.
2) Killboard crap blah etc, it does give everyone something good to argue about
3) Lorth: Read the news
Thanks, Shin. And yes, without killboards, where would we be without entertaining topics like this one? 
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Shamis: when you gang a miner do you really expect him to post the loss (a MINER not a pvpers thats mining)?
This is the same philosophy as when a pirate challenges a carebear to a 1v1 and the carebear accepts and brings 5 ppl to the 1v1 and says it's ok because the guy was a pirate.
If stating my thoughts without wrapping them in little fluffy packages of pretentious bull**** hurts your feelings then don't read the forums k?
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Saerid
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:20:00 -
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Always posting mine, posting just kills feels like cheating in solitaire. Not very rewarding even if you "won". Not to mention it's always nicer to have an accurate picture of what's really happening.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Shamis: when you gang a miner do you really expect him to post the loss (a MINER not a pvpers thats mining)?
This is the same philosophy as when a pirate challenges a carebear to a 1v1 and the carebear accepts and brings 5 ppl to the 1v1 and says it's ok because the guy was a pirate.
If stating my thoughts without wrapping them in little fluffy packages of pretentious bull**** hurts your feelings then don't read the forums k?
But... what about my feelings? 
- Gob
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Harlequinn
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Posted - 2006.06.03 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Here's a news flash for everyone out there. Eve isn't a FPS. No matter how much you try and play it like one, its not. Thats why ASCN is actually successfull at eve, regardless of not being able to tell one end of a 1400 from the other, and why people laugh at BE.
At the end of the day, who in the world cares if your kill ratio is 10:1 or 2:1. If your doing nothing other then running around eve, getting the lots of ganks, and the odd fight, and contributing nothing, other then being an inconvienance to a couple people, then no amount of kill mails will make up for your insignificance.
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Markie
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Posted - 2006.06.03 15:56:00 -
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non of that matters at all as ships an be replaced.
All that matters is who holds the field after the battle. Nothing more and nothing less!
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Constantine Arcanum
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Posted - 2006.06.03 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Not posting losses is good for morale, on both sides. Nothings more amusing then watching an enemy brag about how great theyre doing in a war while they dont know thats only because their members arent posting losses
I know EXACTLY how that feels 
K, gonna leave it there, /end rant.
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Rasta Rocketman
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Posted - 2006.06.04 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Markie
non of that matters at all as ships an be replaced.
All that matters is who holds the field after the battle. Nothing more and nothing less!
I disagree.
If you are heavily outnumbered, but can inflict large losses while not taking many losses..I'd say that is what matters.
Blobs hold the field after a fight usually, but that is not a show of superior skill or tactics.
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Aero089
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Posted - 2006.06.04 23:27:00 -
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I must be honest, whenever I get killed I'm usually more concerned with getting abck to the fight than to post lossmails, and even then I tend to forget them.
Luckily I never delete any mails so they make their way to our killboards sooner or later (usually within 3 days ;))
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.06.04 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rasta Rocketman
Originally by: Markie
non of that matters at all as ships an be replaced.
All that matters is who holds the field after the battle. Nothing more and nothing less!
I disagree.
If you are heavily outnumbered, but can inflict large losses while not taking many losses..I'd say that is what matters.
Blobs hold the field after a fight usually, but that is not a show of superior skill or tactics.
Depends what game you are playing.
If be "winning" you mean "looking good and getting bragging rights" then you are right.
But if holding the field means sovereignity then well, you lost.
- Gob
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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2006.06.05 00:56:00 -
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Not posting losses is bad all around for everyone. And stating that you don't want the general public to see your setups is blatently dumb, since most setups are the same.
And if you lost your ship with that special setup you didn't want someone to see is quite laughable cause your setting up your m8s for failure as they might want to see what didn't work against the attackers on the mail.
Our corp and alliance have quite strict rules about posting losses. Pretty much, you better post your loss, or your in trouble. It keeps the killboard honest and true so you can see the effectiveness of your pvp. Without a truthfull killboard you wouldn't know where to step up efforts, where the majority of fighting occurs and who is most active on both sides of battle.
Posting losses is a good thing for everyone.
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2006.06.08 16:26:00 -
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I dont give a rats ass about killmails or boards. Why?
A couple of weeks ago I got a call from a friend of mine who joined eve a month or so ago. (e said he was going to tease me about 18-1 (low to kill record) that he saw on a killboard. When he saw that one of the kill sposted wos for a caldari destroyer. That made him pause becasue even though I can fly one, I have never flown a Caldari destroyer in my life (I have cald frig 3, just in case i might need to fly a ecm frig at some stage. To date I have not flown a caldari frig at all) He also knows that I, by my own admission, dont like caldari ships. So he wrote to the moderator of the board and dont them that he knew this killmail was fake. The only response he got was silence.
Killmail fakage for the win.
Why do I think people would fake killmails? for the same reason people run hacks on multiplayer games (including the starcraft champ cought red handed running hacks at an official blizzard tourney) It not even that hard. you need to so some effort into finding programs to hack games. For Killmails all you need is notepad and enough knowlage to cut and paste. Its pathetic.
The other reason of course is that I'm a miner, industrialist and complex runner (and covert ops pilot as a sideline). What do i care? The only reason I get into PVP gangs at all is that someone has to.
Frankly I think if people stated crosschecking peoples killmails to opponets loss reports (rather then focusing on the other way around) some people's egos wcould be sevearly deflated. But then people would be howling that noone posts losses. Without a varifying board direct from the ccp server (and trust me thats never going to happen as the CCP people are not stupid) killmails are uttery meaningless and no-one should give a crap about them.
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Araxmas
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Posted - 2006.06.08 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Markie
non of that matters at all as ships an be replaced.
All that matters is who holds the field after the battle. Nothing more and nothing less!
What if your not fighting to hold the field what if your fighitng to destroy what has been thrown at you and then percoed to do this to any other forces that come your way?
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Yazoul Samaiel
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Posted - 2006.06.09 09:13:00 -
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Posting ur losses or not postign ur losses is directly related to what happens in this specific section of forums imo. Alliances and corps who are at war with each other just as they are doen with a fight and rush to post their Kills and losses (Providing that they do ) just for the sake of bragging rights and to be able to say " HaHa we are better than u coz we killed more " . What mostly draws out the out come of any battle is the kill/loss ratio sicne this type of engaments are what happens on daily basis , as for claiming soverginty and blobs they happen every now and then but not on daily basis so this is what basicly feed the e-peen stroking and flames and all the crap that happens here on this section . On another note i do think that posting the kills and losses for trackign purposes is a good idea since u can actualy make a lot of data extraction from kill mails , from gang activity to active players to their setups to the time of their activity etc . As for alliances who have rules not to post losses , its either fear of geting slammed on forums that they got creamed , or they wanan be secreative about their setups although it aint a big secret coz u can simply get the kill mail details from the rival KBs or public ones so not posting wotn hide ur information realy.
"What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2006.06.09 09:58:00 -
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We post all our losses as it allows us to see how combat effective we are.
we also offer reduced rate stuff to members (Sometimes free) if they dont post the loss they dont get another one. its that simple.
We've had people leave over being forced to post losses, Anyone would think we ask them to Run over their own mother with a double decker bus using a tactical nuclear missile as a bumper.
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Rasta Rocketman
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Posted - 2006.06.12 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Rasta Rocketman on 12/06/2006 18:06:32
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Rasta Rocketman
Originally by: Markie
non of that matters at all as ships an be replaced.
All that matters is who holds the field after the battle. Nothing more and nothing less!
I disagree.
If you are heavily outnumbered, but can inflict large losses while not taking many losses..I'd say that is what matters.
Blobs hold the field after a fight usually, but that is not a show of superior skill or tactics.
Depends what game you are playing.
If be "winning" you mean "looking good and getting bragging rights" then you are right.
But if holding the field means sovereignity then well, you lost.
By winning I mean killing more than we lost (typically versus superior odds). I consider that a victory. I call that superior tactics and execution...and that is the whole reason I play the game. I couldn't give a crap about holding space, sovereignty, POSs, or any of that other nonsense. If you choose to spend your game time building an empire of digital power or isk...feel free but that isn't for me.
Back on point, if you don't post kills or losses then I guess it doesn't matter...but I have yet to hear a good reason why people post kills but not losses aside from laziness or embarrassment.
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Crypt
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Posted - 2006.06.12 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Here's a news flash for everyone out there. Eve isn't a FPS. No matter how much you try and play it like one, its not. Thats why ASCN is actually successfull at eve, regardless of not being able to tell one end of a 1400 from the other, and why people laugh at BE.
At the end of the day, who in the world cares if your kill ratio is 10:1 or 2:1. If your doing nothing other then running around eve, getting the lots of ganks, and the odd fight, and contributing nothing, other then being an inconvienance to a couple people, then no amount of kill mails will make up for your insignificance.
Best post of the entire thread.
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Gyro DuAquin1
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Posted - 2006.06.12 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Here's a news flash for everyone out there. Eve isn't a FPS. No matter how much you try and play it like one, its not. Thats why ASCN is actually successfull at eve, regardless of not being able to tell one end of a 1400 from the other, and why people laugh at BE.
At the end of the day, who in the world cares if your kill ratio is 10:1 or 2:1. If your doing nothing other then running around eve, getting the lots of ganks, and the odd fight, and contributing nothing, other then being an inconvienance to a couple people, then no amount of kill mails will make up for your insignificance.
well tbh just a no
if i login into eve i want to have fun, if i have fun killing as much ppl in one day as iam able to. I do so then i have more fun then someone who thinks eve offers more cause in the end its quiet simple.
So eve can be a fps if u want it that way :)
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