Yawn, oh I'm sorry is your rant over?

Before you leave, can I have your stuff?

Seriously though, concerning your "idea", suicide ganking has always been a part of Eve and it will remain a part of Eve. Highsec isn't there to be completely safe, the only place you're safe is in station.
That's the base line.

If you can't take the idea that other people might want to **** in your sandbox, then this isn't the game for you, because that was the original idea behind Eve, and the thing that makes it so interesting. It's that people can and will be absolute bastards to each other.

That said, there are plenty of ways to defend yourself against being suicide ganked. Don't fly an overly expensive ship, pay attention to local/dscan and basically just think about what you're doing and the odds of you being suicide ganked decrease dramatically.

I'm going to ask you a very old question - how long injustice will take place in EVE?
How long we are going to tolerate impunity of suicide-gankers?
How long our universe will stay the paradise for griefers?

You are playing EVE. You spend your time and money. But some special characters flying an air-cheap destroyers are able to ruin everything. Ruin without any penalty and you will stay without any compensation. Using a very simple logic - you are paying money for subscription just to make someone else have fun in the game.

Do you like it? Do you like to waste your time and money? CCP is ok with it. Maybe they are people with heavy childhood, having their lunchboxes often taken away by hooligans. But are we the same then?

If you consider i'm sad - you're wrong. I'm tired. I find this boring and not funny. I hope non-CCP EVE will appear shortly. Free, opensource and clean.

+1 vote for ganking is fun.

CONCORD PUNISHES THE GUILTY, IT DOES NOT PROTECT

You have totally misinterpreted what high security space means. It means HIGH security, not COMPLETE security.

not COMPLETE security.

I'm going to ask you a very old question - how long injustice will take place in EVE?
How long we are going to tolerate impunity of suicide-gankers?
How long our universe will stay the paradise for griefers?

You are playing EVE. You spend your time and money. But some special characters flying an air-cheap destroyers are able to ruin everything. Ruin without any penalty and you will stay without any compensation. Using a very simple logic - you are paying money for subscription just to make someone else have fun in the game.

Do you like it? Do you like to waste your time and money? CCP is ok with it. Maybe they are people with heavy childhood, having their lunchboxes often taken away by hooligans. But are we the same then?

If you consider i'm sad - you're wrong. I'm tired. I find this boring and not funny. I hope non-CCP EVE will appear shortly. Free, opensource and clean.

Hello,

please consider of handing me over all your stuff if you decide to leave Eve. That would make me very happy.
And yes, suicide gankers are a pain in the ass, but thats game mechanics, deal with it.
You can do something about it in many ways, like selling kill rights for under a million ISK. Or killing them yourself.
Eve is a sandbox after all.

Suicide gankers are not a part of game mechanics. They are obvious griefers, but CCP like to dig a grave for EVE even deeper, taking their side.

Killing them DOES NOT MAKE any sense. Just because those characters are created only for suicide purpose and will never pilot any valuable ships.

They've always been a part of EVE. They just weren't as prevalent before can-flipping went away. It's the increase in high-sec safety which led to it being so common.

So what? The game doesn't change since 2003? We all are still poor noobs and any t1 battleship is still an icon of wealth and luxury?

EVE has changed. Now anyone to do a name or prosper must work harder than anyone before. Why? He comes to a mature world! EVE is not young. Equality of starting conditions is already far away! Who do you think suiciders are? They are all mindless bastards obsessed with destruction? No! Most of them are people who entered the game, but the only place this game has found for them - antisocial activity, griefing. EVE is ill. This universe is not the land of boundless opportunities. Not anymore. The truth is - she is in deep stagnation. And suicide-ganking is nothing more, nothing less, but a part of her agonal spasms.

So this old-good tradition you're talking about stands like a wall on the way to salvation. Stop the griefing, make all players equal again and you will see a fresh start! If you're in doubt consider this - most of miners are young characters. The suicide-griefing is striking this part of population.

No. High-sec is boring enough without making it safer. I started back in the can-flipping days, if not for the frigate fights I got into in my first week while mining, I might not have kept playing EVE. I don't gank, but certainly don't have an issue with those who do.

If anything, high-sec needs more danger, not more safety.

Ok. Answer me then - why are you asking to do a high-sec more dangerous place, if such a places already exist in EVE? You love danger? Low-sec! Null-sec! Wormhole! Fly there, enjoy an incredible danger and hardcore! If someone has not enough courage to fight, why then anyone must suffer because of that?
WHY any other people must be forced to play your game with your rules? Why they shall not be able to play the game of their own?

Because many new players start in high-sec, find it boring, and leave. EVE made it's reputation as a hard & demanding game, the safer they've made it, the less new players seem to stay, from what I've seen.

More safety has resulted in high-sec being quiet, no conversations, no socialization. When I started local was busy, you'd see it flash almost all the time. Now, I can be in high-sec for hours without seeing a single convo.

There already are games which cover what you want. If you don't want ship loss, then don't play a game with ship loss. If you want a single player game, there are plenty of those. EVE is unique because of the danger. As it loses that, it loses it's identity.

It's not about security, it's about justice. You did not read first post.

Because many new players start in high-sec, find it boring, and leave. EVE made it's reputation as a hard & demanding game, the safer they've made it, the less new players seem to stay, from what I've seen.

More safety has resulted in high-sec being quiet, no conversations, no socialization. When I started local was busy, you'd see it flash almost all the time. Now, I can be in high-sec for hours without seeing a single convo.

There already are games which cover what you want. If you don't want ship loss, then don't play a game with ship loss. If you want a single player game, there are plenty of those. EVE is unique because of the danger. As it loses that, it loses it's identity.

This is where your problem lies.

The only "justice" that exists in EvE is that which players make for themselves

Accept this fact. Find like minded people and work towards imposing your version "justice" upon the EvE universe. You may or may not succeed but I have the feeling you'll have a lot more fun trying than running to the forums and expecting CCP to nurse maid you.

Also many players leaving after they spend a lot of time to buy or to build something interesting and attractive, but next moment few catalysts comes. BANG-BANG! Wreck. Everything you was working on turns to nothing. Next step in your plan is unreacheable again.
What if some players don't need this violent socialisation? What are you going to do? Shoot them? Are you shooting anyone who's asking you to leave him alone?

silliness or hypocrisy.

For entire topic i'm trying to explain a simple thing. Justice in EVE is impossible without change of rules. And i'm still not sure what's the reason of your misunderstanding - silliness or hypocrisy.

CCP should make an open source version of EVE so the hi-sec carebears can live out their sick fetishes in peace and we don't get posts like this on the forums. I wonder how long it would take them to unsub considering it would be a mining/ missioning sim gaame?

For entire topic i'm trying to explain a simple thing. Justice in EVE is impossible without change of rules. And i'm still not sure what's the reason of your misunderstanding - silliness or hypocrisy.

Yep. That's a brilliant idea. One EVE for normal people, looking for fun and relax, another for hardcore-oriented, where they will be able to kill each other non-stop until the end of times.

Unfortunately reverse engineering of blue framework is not an easy task. Will take some time...

...Highsec was never intended to support such a large percentage of the game's population. It was supposed to be a stepping stone to lowsec and then on to nullsec. Now of course, this isn't the case in actual practice...

This is the core of my belief that rather than try to coerce players to null by nerfing hisec CCP should embrace the fact that many many players wish to live in hisec. there should be viable livings to be made there but the rewards for combat PvP should always be lower than losec anf null. S&I on the other hand should thrive there, but the resources required (such as moongoo) come from losec and null thus guaranteeing that at l;east some players must live in null to produce the stuff.

The large chunk (and it must be lare for it to be a concern) of players who prefer hisec do so for a reason. If they choose to live there then they shouldn't be punished, they should rather be rewarded but less so than those who are in the losec areas or the null space regions. WH's to me are the truly dangerous area and this is reflected in them being the source of T3 goods.

Continually calling to nerf hisec will not push the players who want to live there into losec or null, it'll just push them out of the game. No matter how much the PvP centric players would think 'Great!' this would ultimately kill the game if enough players leave.

I'm going to ask you a very old question - how long injustice will take place in EVE?
How long we are going to tolerate impunity of suicide-gankers?
How long our universe will stay the paradise for griefers?

You are playing EVE. You spend your time and money. But some special characters flying an air-cheap destroyers are able to ruin everything. Ruin without any penalty and you will stay without any compensation. Using a very simple logic - you are paying money for subscription just to make someone else have fun in the game.

Do you like it? Do you like to waste your time and money? CCP is ok with it. Maybe they are people with heavy childhood, having their lunchboxes often taken away by hooligans. But are we the same then?

If you consider i'm sad - you're wrong. I'm tired. I find this boring and not funny. I hope non-CCP EVE will appear shortly. Free, opensource and clean.

I love how you assume that PvP players aren't normal, looking to relax and have a bit of fun.... Or that we don't think people who mine or run missions every moment they're in the game aren't "hardcore oriented", which I think would be better defined as "Obsessively focused on repeating a single task continuously and efficiently."

Let's be fair - there are two different gameplay models, which are mixed in EVE - PVP and PVE. There are areas for PVP, one more time - Low Sec, Null Sec, WH. Correct? Now the question is - Why Empire Space must be a PVP space too if EVE is both about PVP and PVE?
You are looking for PVP? More than half of galaxy is available for you. No, you will stay in high-sec instead of being a mighty PVP-master in the suitable area. Some people living in high-sec just because they wish to live in safety. They don't like to be a paranoids or maniacs.
Otherwise if someone is looking for war he goes to null-sec and finds his war over there. But gankers are not looking for PVP, they are looking for an opportunity to do some harm, to humiliate someone.
This is not about PVP, it's much often about inferiority complex.

I'm still not able to understand why supporting griefing is so important for CCP.

Let's be fair - there are two different gameplay models, which are mixed in EVE - PVP and PVE.

Let's be fair - there are two different gameplay models, which are mixed in EVE - PVP and PVE. There are areas for PVP, one more time - Low Sec, Null Sec, WH. Correct? Now the question is - Why Empire Space must be a PVP space too if EVE is both about PVP and PVE?
You are looking for PVP? More than half of galaxy is available for you. No, you will stay in high-sec instead of being a mighty PVP-master in the suitable area. Some people living in high-sec just because they wish to live in safety. They don't like to be a paranoids or maniacs.
Otherwise if someone is looking for war he goes to null-sec and finds his war over there. But gankers are not looking for PVP, they are looking for an opportunity to do some harm, to humiliate someone.
This is not about PVP, it's much often about inferiority complex.

I'm still not able to understand why supporting griefing is so important for CCP.

This I feel is the core of your problem.

In EvE, there is no separation between PvP and PvE.

None.

Zero.

Once you understand this, you'll understand why suicide ganking is not only perfectly acceptable, but one of the best parts of EvE.

They are equal parts of the gameplay in all areas.

U dnt understand what PvP is.

PvP by definition is competition between players. its not just combat. This is EVE all over.

why should u be able to make money and create items safely and then COMPETE on the market with those items. ur affecting gameplay for everyone by making money.

So because ur interacting with other players, they must be able to interact with u.

doesnt matter. the materials in high sec and the items u can make and find still allow u to influence the game as a whole. U dnt honestly think u should be able to go to an asteroid belt and steal the ore other ppl want to mine and get away with it do u?

this just isnt the game where u get to play ur own little world. it never will be that game. it should never be that game.

but theres always star citizen. set that PvP slider to zero and go enjoy a game where interaction is not the core game principle.

Your problem i think is your misunderstanding of balance. One more time i will repeat myself - Eve is not a pure sanbox, Eve is not a pure PVP game. Pure PVP is all about non-stop killing. Frags, frags,frags, nothing more. Counter-Strike - pure PVP. Quake, Unreal, many others.
EVE has a mixed gameplay model. According to this i'm not able to understand why besides of enormous PVP-areas we still don't have any quiet and safe PVE area?
Who will suffer if we will have one?

Until you understand the fundamental flaw in your thinking, you will be unhappy with EvE. There is no lack of balance between pure PvP and pure PvE in EvE. There is no pure PvE in EvE.

EvE = Everyone vs Everyone.

Fly safe.

I'm not looking for anything else. And unfortunately, i like to be a man of my word. There will be non-CCP EVE. Free, opensource and clean.

What if some players don't need this violent socialisation?

What are you going to do? Shoot them? Are you shooting anyone who's asking you to leave him alone?

I'm not looking for anything else. And unfortunately, i like to be a man of my word. There will be non-CCP EVE. Free, opensource and clean.

SiSi server.

Have fun.

I'm going to ask you a very old question - how long injustice will take place in EVE?
How long we are going to tolerate impunity of suicide-gankers?
How long our universe will stay the paradise for griefers?

You are playing EVE. You spend your time and money. opensource and clean.

Your problem i think is your misunderstanding of balance. One more time i will repeat myself - Eve is not a pure sanbox, Eve is not a pure PVP game. Pure PVP is all about non-stop killing. Frags, frags,frags, nothing more. Counter-Strike - pure PVP. Quake, Unreal, many others.
EVE has a mixed gameplay model. According to this i'm not able to understand why besides of enormous PVP-areas we still don't have any quiet and safe PVE area?
Who will suffer if we will have one?

I'm sure, you will have enough bravery to visit my country and to hand over me the notice about this lawsuit.

Good luck and my best regards to all of you.