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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:07:00 -
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To be honest, the current style of MWD + 3-4 stabs on Vagabond is annoying beyond belief. Catching them requires 5 pts of scramble in the worst case, *and* a double web, *and* firepower. So in general, you don't catch them. Considering that, their firepower is considerable.
I wouldn't say they are overpowered. But they are on the high end of the pvp power scale.
I hope to introduce one of these stabmonkeys to an Arazu + Rapier duo one of these days.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rells Anyone else find it a little unbalanced that there is a HAC out there that can do 6km/second and outrun an interceptor? I know they are fast but when the HEAVY assault cruiser outran my raptor I was substantially suprised.
He can't sustain it (unless he's got no damage mods OR WCS), and he'll be turning MUCH slower than you
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi To be honest, the current style of MWD + 3-4 stabs on Vagabond is annoying beyond belief. Catching them requires 5 pts of scramble in the worst case, *and* a double web, *and* firepower. So in general, you don't catch them. Considering that, their firepower is considerable.
I wouldn't say they are overpowered. But they are on the high end of the pvp power scale.
I hope to introduce one of these stabmonkeys to an Arazu + Rapier duo one of these days.
how much dps does a 3 or 4 stab vaga do exactly
Originally by: Tamora its not the skills that make the eve player... its the smack that back him up
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xenodia
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rells Anyone else find it a little unbalanced that there is a HAC out there that can do 6km/second and outrun an interceptor? I know they are fast but when the HEAVY assault cruiser outran my raptor I was substantially suprised.
Now I know all the Vagabond pilots are going to flame me but sheesh, you put medium tech 2s on a HAC and crank it up to 6km/s and that is almost an "I win button" there. I cant think what could kill it short of 8 webifiers and loads of luck. That cant be balance in my opinion.
After seeing this post and your sig, I sincerely hope that you arent charging anyone for your "PvP University", as you still have a lot to learn yourself. That would be like 2 retards with a potatoe gun trying to instruct people in guerilla warfare tactics.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 02/06/2006 17:41:46
Originally by: Spartan239
how much dps does a 3 or 4 stab vaga do exactly
Quite a lot, actually, especially with t2 ACs and good skills. Compared to the fact that it can run whenever it likes and unlike an inty won't go pop from the first bit of incoming damage. Oh, and the guns need no cap to work, and it will be running a med nosfe of its own.
We've fought quite a bit against ships like this lately, and they are damn near impossible to kill unless they make a mistake, and their damage output is easily good enough to take out many ships. And you need *lots* of scramble and web to kill them.
Again, I'm not saying they are overpowered. But they *are* damn powerful, especially as hit and run ships.
There's a reason for the fact that "stababond" is already a firmly established ship type.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:53:00 -
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....and I remember when the first vagabonds went into circulation.
people crying "OMG TEH HOLES IN ZE ARMOR MAKE IT SUCKY FOR ARMORTANKING!" or "OMG NOT ENOUGH GRID TO FIT T2 720'S SO I DOWNGRADED TO T2 650'S!"
....ah if the people from those days could see the vagabonds now -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak ....and I remember when the first vagabonds went into circulation.
people crying "OMG TEH HOLES IN ZE ARMOR MAKE IT SUCKY FOR ARMORTANKING!" or "OMG NOT ENOUGH GRID TO FIT T2 720'S SO I DOWNGRADED TO T2 650'S!"
....ah if the people from those days could see the vagabonds now
it was a fun time the holes still suck on any t2 armour tanking minnie ship tho
Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:07:00 -
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CCP have given you the tools to **** with Vagabonds - they're called webber drones, Huginns and Rapiers.
Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:10:00 -
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vagabonds... mmm yum -------------------------------------------
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zoturi
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:31:00 -
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Well, a vaga with out nanofibers cant even go 3km/s. With a local nano its 3,2km/s.
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Outa Rileau
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Outa Rileau on 02/06/2006 18:35:52 Linkage
ceptor with same stuff goes waaaaaaay faster. But the vaga still need's a nerf. Refer to my sig if you have any objections...
Originally by: Raem Civrie Minmatar comes from the icelandic term "minni mßttar", which means underdog (or in the context of EVE, "lesser people").
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Raider Zero
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Krogort Edited by: Krogort on 02/06/2006 16:49:33
Originally by: Raider Zero BTW, any ship that costs 10 times as much as any other is allowed to have an advantage, even in the cheap ship's best role.
So a dread (with cost 80 time an inty) should be a better tackler ? and also be faster ?
I didn't say always. I just said quit *****ing. I never said if a ship costs more it should always be better at everything. My quote was true when I wrote it and remains so.
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Outa Rileau Edited by: Outa Rileau on 02/06/2006 18:35:52 Linkage
ceptor with same stuff goes waaaaaaay faster. But the vaga still need's a nerf. Refer to my sig if you have any objections...
hasnt been updated in a while (in that thread but not as fastest)
and why does that vagabond need a nerf and how are you gonna nerf it
Originally by: Tamora its not the skills that make the eve player... its the smack that back him up
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Conwright
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:51:00 -
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Claw with no speed mods and navigation 5: 593.75 m/s Chribba's Revelation: 780 m/s
OMG!! Nerf the Revelation!! It outruns interceptors!! OMG!!
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Ometoch
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:10:00 -
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OMG OH NOES!!!! this isn't fair! I paid 20 million ISK for me ship and there is something that costs 10 times as much that is BETTER!!!!11 Nerf it!!!! I think everything should be nerfed if I can't be better than it.
You know, it is thinking like that that eventually causes games to suck. Thank the gods that CCP doesn't always listen to every whiner on here. Look, it is a niche ship. Does anyone else remember the first time someone found you could throw a MWD on a industrial? Sure, you can do it, but you gimp the hell out of what the ship was made for. Just like the Vaga. Yeah, it is CAPABLE of going that fast, but you are definately going to take a hit in how much damage you can spit out. Hell, I can get my 'Phoon past 1km/s just with an AB and some nanofibers. speed on minny ships is easy to do. But really people, If I had 5 ISK for everytime I see one of these ACK OVERPOWERED OMGNERFIT! threads....
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Conwright Claw with no speed mods and navigation 5: 593.75 m/s Chribba's Revelation: 780 m/s
OMG!! Nerf the Revelation!! It outruns interceptors!! OMG!!
Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:15:00 -
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What mya said... if a vaga charges your inti, just swerve around, his turning radius will cost him more speed and will also add some distance between you and him. Ison's notches |
Outa Rileau
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Conwright Claw with no speed mods and navigation 5: 593.75 m/s Chribba's Revelation: 780 m/s
OMG!! Nerf the Revelation!! It outruns interceptors!! OMG!!
well that claw doesnt have a snake set and 100mn mwd
Originally by: Raem Civrie Minmatar comes from the icelandic term "minni mßttar", which means underdog (or in the context of EVE, "lesser people").
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reller
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rells Anyone else find it a little unbalanced that there is a HAC out there that can do 6km/second and outrun an interceptor? I know they are fast but when the HEAVY assault cruiser outran my raptor I was substantially suprised.
Now I know all the Vagabond pilots are going to flame me but sheesh, you put medium tech 2s on a HAC and crank it up to 6km/s and that is almost an "I win button" there. I cant think what could kill it short of 8 webifiers and loads of luck. That cant be balance in my opinion.
when you don't like something, complain..that'll solve it right?
Wait a sec...
maybe come up with a fitting to counter the vaga? no thats crazy talk, blobs should win right?
It saddens me that anytime anyone sees something they dont like or can't participate in, they complain about it.
Use the same modules and same skills and you can get any HAC up to 3km/sec, inty's will go 6km/sec...so I don't see your point.
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Krogort
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:48:00 -
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The only thing that need a nerf imo is the stabvaga imho, those things are a pain to catch...and so are almost invulnerable
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 02/06/2006 19:50:13 reller:
The major problem is not getting up to vaga speed but holding in it place. If vaga pilot uses stabs you NEED to blob it to prevent it from escaping. And with 4 (5? dont remember how many lows it has) stabs it is almost impossible to stop:
1. intys trying to tackle it die 2. before you have a chance to lock him with cruiser or bigger ships vaga moves outside of web range
You need gally+minnie recons working together to stop one and not 1 lachesis because of vaga lowslots - abt 2 of them + one minnie recon. And this is considered "blobbing" for some reason :?
As interdictors are a cure for mass WCS they still cant stop vagas... because vagas can move outside of the bubble and if webbed - just kill dictor fast.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:53:00 -
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Like i said somewhere else: vaga+snake set+stabs = immortality (unless the pilot is total idiot)
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire Like i said somewhere else: vaga+snake set+stabs = immortality (unless the pilot is total idiot)
vaga+snake set+stabs = a lot of money lost when i kill you and pod you -------------------------------------------
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.06.02 20:01:00 -
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Vaga is fine. It's the stabs which aren't...
The ship is the most unique in it's abilitys by far. You're just calling for another cookiecutter HAC...
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.06.02 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 02/06/2006 21:26:32
Originally by: Deva Blackfire You need gally+minnie recons working together to stop one and not 1 lachesis because of vaga lowslots - abt 2 of them + one minnie recon.
Nah, one is enough. 7 medslots = 7 pts of 28-30km scramble, if you really want to get serious. Soon to be 36-40km. And hey, you "only" need 5 mids to hold a stababond, with a huginn/rapier acting as flypaper.
But yeah, you need at least a Lachesis/Arazu and a Huginn/Rapier.
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Palx
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Posted - 2006.06.02 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rells Anyone else find it a little unbalanced that there is a HAC out there that can do 6km/second and outrun an interceptor? I know they are fast but when the HEAVY assault cruiser outran my raptor I was substantially suprised.
Now I know all the Vagabond pilots are going to flame me but sheesh, you put medium tech 2s on a HAC and crank it up to 6km/s and that is almost an "I win button" there. I cant think what could kill it short of 8 webifiers and loads of luck. That cant be balance in my opinion.
Buy a snake set for your ceptor/fit more nanos on your ceptor too, it will go faster.
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slip66
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Posted - 2006.06.02 22:57:00 -
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You know they nerfed the dual 100ABs on the grounds that the game couldnt keep up with the speeds. Lets see the same with this ship which is 10x worse then a dual 100ab rupture ever was.
We didnt fit stabs and we didnt have any of the resistence or dmg output of the vagabond
Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers |
Randay
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Posted - 2006.06.03 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: slip66 You know they nerfed the dual 100ABs on the grounds that the game couldnt keep up with the speeds. Lets see the same with this ship which is 10x worse then a dual 100ab rupture ever was.
We didnt fit stabs and we didnt have any of the resistence or dmg output of the vagabond
dual mwd/AB rupture, t1, 10 mil. vagabond, t2, 150 mil.
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.06.03 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 03/06/2006 00:43:58
Originally by: Krogort Edited by: Krogort on 02/06/2006 16:49:33
Originally by: Raider Zero BTW, any ship that costs 10 times as much as any other is allowed to have an advantage, even in the cheap ship's best role.
So a dread (with cost 80 time an inty) should be a better tackler ? and also be faster ?
lol did you read his post? Here I'll underline it for you.
Now where exactly did he say that any ship that costs 10 times as much should be specifically a better tackler and be faster?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.03 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: slip66 You know they nerfed the dual 100ABs on the grounds that the game couldnt keep up with the speeds. Lets see the same with this ship which is 10x worse then a dual 100ab rupture ever was.
We didnt fit stabs and we didnt have any of the resistence or dmg output of the vagabond
The Dual AB Rupture was quicker, base. With only a MWD, you only get 3km/s out a Vaga compared to 7km/s for the Rupture. The Dual AB Rupture could sustain for a LONG time. The Vagabond quickly runs out of cap. The Dual AB Rupture had a small sig radius. The Vagabond's sig radius blooms.
Etc.
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