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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:34:00 -
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Anyone else find it a little unbalanced that there is a HAC out there that can do 6km/second and outrun an interceptor? I know they are fast but when the HEAVY assault cruiser outran my raptor I was substantially suprised.
Now I know all the Vagabond pilots are going to flame me but sheesh, you put medium tech 2s on a HAC and crank it up to 6km/s and that is almost an "I win button" there. I cant think what could kill it short of 8 webifiers and loads of luck. That cant be balance in my opinion.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:35:00 -
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i like cake. gimme some.
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Harper04
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:38:00 -
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Vaga's speed is one of the few things going for it, so I'm not gonna complain. Damage-wise it's not really that great, and it's tank is only really effective using shields (no mwd/webby/scram combo then), or against amarr.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:38:00 -
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* hugs BPO. 
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Morreia
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:40:00 -
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Lol toss it my direction and I'll happily stick 2 webs on it so you can munch at will.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:40:00 -
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a ceptor with the same stuff would go faster than 6km/s
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Bazman
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:40:00 -
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Vaga does immense damage. Not immense deimos like but definately one of the heavy hitters of the HAC's.
Its not the 6km/s Vaga's you should worry about, its the ones with 4 Warp Core stabs
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:42:00 -
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It's got weak tank, damage ( relatively anyway ), cap and just about anything else too make up for it's speed. It sure is fast though.
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Anyone else find it a little unbalanced that there is a HAC out there that can do 6km/second and outrun an interceptor? I know they are fast but when the HEAVY assault cruiser outran my raptor I was substantially suprised.
Now I know all the Vagabond pilots are going to flame me but sheesh, you put medium tech 2s on a HAC and crank it up to 6km/s and that is almost an "I win button" there. I cant think what could kill it short of 8 webifiers and loads of luck. That cant be balance in my opinion.
vaga = hit and run ship, yeah guess they are meant to be fast,
infact im pretty sure the fleet stabber is a bit faster than a vagabond too and thats only a t1 cruiser with the same slot layout
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Harper04
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
Vaga does immense damage. Not immense deimos like but definately one of the heavy hitters of the HAC's.
Its not the 6km/s Vaga's you should worry about, its the ones with 4 Warp Core stabs
I fly deimos's...different view on what alot of damage is  . I can't run away though if things get bad...
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:46:00 -
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A Vaga with Tech2 MWD and full skills, no implants etc, does about 3km/sec. To do 6km/sec he has either a Snake set or a load of Nanos - an Interceptor with both will go faster.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:48:00 -
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We'll just find another way to go fast.
I've pretty much specialized in making bigger ships go fast my whole eve career. Its fun. And it makes carebears cry when their 40 bs's can't catch your one vaga. 
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:48:00 -
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A snake implanted, faction'd up Vaga (which is what you need to get 6km/s) is faster than a basic fitted inty? Yep.
Given the same implants, the same skills, the same (equivalent) fittings, and such, inties will outrun Vagabonds any day of the week.
For the record, with average navigation skills, a low end faction MWD, and no implants, Vagas still do sub-3k m/s. Theyre not pwnmobiles unless you really invest cash and time into them. Much like everything else in this game.
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Fredbob
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
A Vaga with Tech2 MWD and full skills, no implants etc, does about 3km/sec. To do 6km/sec he has either a Snake set or a load of Nanos - an Interceptor with both will go faster.
Thats the top and bottom of it..
A Impel full of nanos and a MWD goes extremely fast compared to a frig, does that make it overpowered? No :), same goes for a Vaga pilot putting all his slots/skills/implants into speed to take advantage of it's strengths.
If your inty is slower and you really want to tackle the world's most efficient anti-frig ship, then you'll have to do more than fit a MWD II and fly at him ^^
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2006.06.02 14:01:00 -
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To go faster than 6km/s you need stuff like snake implants. Now if the interceptor pilot had those to he would go even faster. Without snake even with a domi mwd and 5 nanofibers you are going to have a hard time pushing it above 5km/s and if you don't fill up lows with nanos you are only going to go around 3km/s.
It's not the ship that's so fast it's the setup combination.
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Justice Bringer
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Posted - 2006.06.02 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
i like cake. gimme some.
Do you think biscuits are faster than cake, or would you be substatially surprised to see that happen?? 
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.06.02 14:04:00 -
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i think i pay for my subscription and ccp should give me everything for free because im so uber ;p
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Xantina
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Posted - 2006.06.02 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Anyone else find it a little unbalanced that there is a HAC out there that can do 6km/second and outrun an interceptor? I know they are fast but when the HEAVY assault cruiser outran my raptor I was substantially suprised.
Now I know all the Vagabond pilots are going to flame me but sheesh, you put medium tech 2s on a HAC and crank it up to 6km/s and that is almost an "I win button" there. I cant think what could kill it short of 8 webifiers and loads of luck. That cant be balance in my opinion.
Out of curiosity - have you been roaming around Caer Benowyc lately ? Just wondering ^^
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Zippy Pinno
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zippy Pinno on 02/06/2006 15:20:45
Vagas take some time to get up to full speed - even if the Vaga top speed is higher than the inty, the inty can catch it during acceleration.
Catching the Vaga isn`t the problem - surviving for more than 3 seconds is.
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Godar Marak
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
Vaga does immense damage. Not immense deimos like but definately one of the heavy hitters of the HAC's.
Its not the 6km/s Vaga's you should worry about, its the ones with 4 Warp Core stabs
9/10 out there then
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xantina
Originally by: Rells
Anyone else find it a little unbalanced that there is a HAC out there that can do 6km/second and outrun an interceptor? I know they are fast but when the HEAVY assault cruiser outran my raptor I was substantially suprised.
Now I know all the Vagabond pilots are going to flame me but sheesh, you put medium tech 2s on a HAC and crank it up to 6km/s and that is almost an "I win button" there. I cant think what could kill it short of 8 webifiers and loads of luck. That cant be balance in my opinion.
Out of curiosity - have you been roaming around Caer Benowyc lately ? Just wondering ^^
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:27:00 -
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Rells, as many have pointed out, its not the vagabond that goes 6 km/s by default. Its base speed is 242, and with mwd and nanos + implants it can outrun a interceptor. Cost of that is very high though.
Its speed is the primary reason I want one by the way. If i wanted a slow hac, i would go for the Cerb.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/06/2006 15:28:38
Originally by: Rells
I cant think what could kill it short of 8 webifiers and loads of luck.
Domi with Dual web and Nosf? 6000*0.1=600*0.1=60 Ms + 6 heavy nosf draining its cap. Easy kill tbh. 
As for speed, with the right gear ceptors can get up to 13km/s...
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PriceCheckMax
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/06/2006 15:28:38
Originally by: Rells
I cant think what could kill it short of 8 webifiers and loads of luck.
Domi with Dual web and Nosf? 6000*0.1=600*0.1=60 Ms + 6 heavy nosf draining its cap. Easy kill tbh.
As for speed, with the right gear ceptors can get up to 13km/s...
How do you exactly lock a vagabond fast enough?
How do you exactly have at least +3 scrambling points to keep him from warping?
How do you exactly get the vaga into web range???
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:42:00 -
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Webbers take a 0 off the targets speed. Going at 100? Webbed to 10. Going at 3000? Webbed to 300. They stack nicely.
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:46:00 -
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To be quite honest Interceptors can outrun it, a pilot fitted for taking out fast ships will catch a vagabond or simply render it useless. The Vagabond is a unique HAC in that it doesn't require heavy firepower to take down, but instead other tactics.
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Raider Zero
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:50:00 -
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Some RCU's and a T2 BS MWD make it really fast. I don't know why you'd do that, but it would work. Outrun that!
BTW, any ship that costs 10 times as much as any other is allowed to have an advantage, even in the cheap ship's best role.
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Krogort
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Posted - 2006.06.02 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Krogort on 02/06/2006 16:49:33
Originally by: Raider Zero
BTW, any ship that costs 10 times as much as any other is allowed to have an advantage, even in the cheap ship's best role.
So a dread (with cost 80 time an inty) should be a better tackler ? and also be faster ?
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Waragha
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Waragha on 02/06/2006 16:59:51
Originally by: Rells
Anyone else find it a little unbalanced that there is a HAC out there that can do 6km/second and outrun an interceptor? I know they are fast but when the HEAVY assault cruiser outran my raptor I was substantially suprised.
Now I know all the Vagabond pilots are going to flame me but sheesh, you put medium tech 2s on a HAC and crank it up to 6km/s and that is almost an "I win button" there. I cant think what could kill it short of 8 webifiers and loads of luck. That cant be balance in my opinion.
And then you look in his sig, he's running a pvp university
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:06:00 -
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Nothing is unbalanced about the vagabond.
You can buy the same implants/hardwiring/modules to make your ship go as fast. Since when is something overpowered when someone just has money to put in his ship to make it beat the whiners in raptors that don't even break 4km/s..
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