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Corbis Thalamar	Posted - 2006.06.02 15:49:00 - [1] I've purchased an alt to go and do all of the training skills since my primary character hadn't trained them really much at all. Also, with the new bloodlines you can create quite a lethal starting character. I'm concerned however, because I've seen allot of posts saying that Amarrian ships really are screwed when it comes to PVP... Are they really all that bad? I mean, I've been pvping for a while now with Gallente ships and -love- the amarrian look, want to play with them, but don't want to get into a race of ships that some people have termed as being 'broken'. I'd like to hear, definitively why the amarrian ships suck, what makes them suck OR why you like them in pvp situations and how people have overcome their limitations if there truly are any. Shiplog of a Privateer
Kyozoku	Posted - 2006.06.02 15:51:00 - [2] Amarr are very good. They're just flavour of the month for the whiners.
Raider Zero	Posted - 2006.06.02 15:54:00 - [3] You're not necessarily screwed unless they know you're Amarr. Lasers can only do two types of damage. That makes it easy to tank them if you know they're coming. They are EM heavy and all shield users do something about that 0% EM resist, so you're guaranteed to have your best resistance planned against. There are ways to counter, but I don't fly Amarr, so I'll leave that to an expert.
BenWa Boules	Posted - 2006.06.02 15:55:00 - [4] Nah they are fine Amarrian ships bore you to death with their lasers while tanking coming at them. I think Amarr combat is actually CCP's vision of combat as it seems to last a bit longer in general.
Kalazar	Posted - 2006.06.02 15:59:00 - [5] Edited by: Kalazar on 02/06/2006 16:05:00 Amarrian ship building philosophy: Step 1: Take engines. Step 2: Strap as much armour to them as possible. Step 3: Stick some really big lasers on top of the armour. But may it be said that they're really good ships all the same. Just finished thinking of an omen setup. Now if only I could find a Dark Blood Webifier (for a price I can afford).
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Kyozoku Amarr are very good. They're just flavour of the month for the whiners. Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:02:00 - [7] There is only one major weakness of Amarr ships these days: the boost to EAN2s with the new skills makes it so that most armor tankers have extremely high EM/therm resists. --Proud member of the [23]-- Want a turn-based online game sophisticated enough for an EVE player? Try Ferion.
Peter Stuyvesant	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:03:00 - [8] Yup, there seems to be a lot of Amarr whine threads on the first page. Don't worry, those are posted by pilots just have no skills, talent or imagination.
Aeaus	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:05:00 - [9] Amarr ships are fairly powerful, once you get past cruisers they become even better, the good thing is that few people fly Small T1 Amarr Ships, so many times people do not know how to counter you. My Guides (Recomended Reading)
Hardin	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:06:00 - [10] Amarr ships used properly are amongst the best in the game. They just need a little more imagination and practice to use. I have only ever flown Amarr ships and have never felt restricted or a burning need to fly anything else in over 3 years of game time. There are even corps such as PIE Inc who only fly Amarr only ships... ------------------------------ Hardin's Blog
madaluap	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Kyozoku Amarr are very good. They're just flavour of the month for the whiners. yeh , im making sure this all passes quietly _________________________________________________
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant Yup, there seems to be a lot of Amarr whine threads on the first page. Don't worry, those are posted by pilots just have no skills, talent or imagination. the amount of disinformation, manipulated numbers, baseless whines from some amarr lobbyists were truly staggering this week, the railpoc thread for example was truly hilarious amarr has some issues, like the one dark shikari mentioned, or in the frigate department but they are by no means broken and sucky like some want to tell everyone (sacriledge coud use another fix tho ;P) Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Laythun	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant Yup, there seems to be a lot of Amarr whine threads on the first page. Don't worry, those are posted by pilots just have no skills, talent or imagination. redressing the whine balance TBH See You In Space Cowboy -Capsicum If im flaming or not contributing, im sorry. But im trying to get into the [23]
O'Sirius	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant Yup, there seems to be a lot of Amarr whine threads on the first page. Don't worry, those are posted by pilots just have no skills, talent or imagination. the amount of disinformation, manipulated numbers, baseless whines from some amarr lobbyists were truly staggering this week, the railpoc thread for example was truly hilarious amarr has some issues, like the one dark shikari mentioned, or in the frigate department but they are by no means broken and sucky like some want to tell everyone (sacriledge coud use another fix tho ;P) Yeah, I'm Amarr and I don't agree with any of those threads. Amarr are very good, and are probably one of easier races to play because we can have great sustainable tanks.
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:23:00 - [15] Quote: EAN2s Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Valea Silpha	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:27:00 - [16] Originally by: O'Sirius Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant Yup, there seems to be a lot of Amarr whine threads on the first page. Don't worry, those are posted by pilots just have no skills, talent or imagination. the amount of disinformation, manipulated numbers, baseless whines from some amarr lobbyists were truly staggering this week, the railpoc thread for example was truly hilarious amarr has some issues, like the one dark shikari mentioned, or in the frigate department but they are by no means broken and sucky like some want to tell everyone (sacriledge coud use another fix tho ;P) Yeah, I'm Amarr and I don't agree with any of those threads. Amarr are very good, and are probably one of easier races to play because we can have great sustainable tanks. The ammar may be a touch lacking in imagination in T1 ships, but then that basically indicates that they are very good the way they are. Very solid tanks, lots of damage ;). what more do you want ? <Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing <Hammerhead> I just stand behind him, look at his monitor and shake my head
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:29:00 - [17] Amarr are fine. If anything, Gallente is more broken.
MacQueen	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:30:00 - [18] Originally by: O'Sirius Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant Yup, there seems to be a lot of Amarr whine threads on the first page. Don't worry, those are posted by pilots just have no skills, talent or imagination. the amount of disinformation, manipulated numbers, baseless whines from some amarr lobbyists were truly staggering this week, the railpoc thread for example was truly hilarious amarr has some issues, like the one dark shikari mentioned, or in the frigate department but they are by no means broken and sucky like some want to tell everyone (sacriledge coud use another fix tho ;P) Yeah, I'm Amarr and I don't agree with any of those threads. Amarr are very good, and are probably one of easier races to play because we can have great sustainable tanks. Amarr is good race that I've followed for a long time. But it doesnt mean they are totally dont have some issue need to look after. Yes, they do have some problem right now but just not an anihilation of the race. ------------------ Trying to quit smoking. Drug time. ------------------
Stamm	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:44:00 - [19] They're a very playable race with a few problems. No midrange T2 crystals. The damage types on crystals isn't a huge deal really. The issue is NPC resists, nanomembranes, and the inability to choose damage types against NPCs. The railgun thing was blown out of all proportion. It's a quirk due to the fitting requirements of railguns versus lasers, and due to the next point. The cap use on lasers bonus on ships isn't very good unless you have it at level 5. The fitting requirements in the way of some lasers, or some ships is not quite right, more specifically cruisers and frigates. Broken and unplayable? No. Desperately in need of a fix? Not really. Could use some tweaking? Yes.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:45:00 - [20] amarr is perfectly fine, if anything theyre better than average for the most part only weak part of amarr is some of their AFs only have 1 mid which kinda makes them worthless in pvp, other than that, very good ships. ------ FPDOMS MINER KILLBOARD
Meridius	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Kyozoku Amarr are very good. They're just flavour of the month for the whiners. Whining has a FOTM? That doesn't make sense. We have some good ships but a lot of bad ones to. We have ****ty frigates, cruisers, assault frigates, sub par interceptors, boring HACs and battleships that are just meh. I think the main problem with Amarr is that they're so boring, lasers, armor and thats it while other races get more diverse roles to play. - _____
Meridius	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Necrologic Amarr are fine. If anything, Gallente is more broken. lol yeah, having the best interceptor, best HAC, best cruiser, best 1 on 1 BS, best sniping BS, best carrier, best mothership and best dreadnought must be really rough I cry for you sir necrologic - _____
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2006.06.02 16:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Kyozoku Amarr are very good. They're just flavour of the month for the whiners. Whining has a FOTM? That doesn't make sense. We have some good ships but a lot of bad ones to. We have **ty frigates, cruisers, assault frigates, sub par interceptors, boring HACs and battleships that are just meh. I think the main problem with Amarr is that they're so boring, lasers, armor and thats it while other races get more diverse roles to play. i think every race can claim to have a handful of ships not worth , malediction and crusader arent bad interceptors.. boring HACs? Zealot is one of the best, Sac is well, the Sac.. uh... **ty cruisers? Omen is okay, Maller is one of the better ones with it's tankability.. uhm Armageddon is the most range friendly high DPS ship in the game.. Apoc has its uses too. I don't really see the Amarr being that bad off.. ------ FPDOMS MINER KILLBOARD
Godar Marak	Posted - 2006.06.02 17:02:00 - [24] Edited by: Godar Marak on 02/06/2006 17:02:34 Originally by: Valea Silpha Very solid tanks, lots of damage ;). what more do you want Our tanks isnt enough to tank the damage dealers of other races, and our damage output is too low to break theirs. Apoc with a proper tank runs out of cap in a few moments. Thats the very reason why there has been so many threads on the issue.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2006.06.02 17:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Godar Marak Edited by: Godar Marak on 02/06/2006 17:02:34 Originally by: Valea Silpha Very solid tanks, lots of damage ;). what more do you want Our tanks isnt enough to tank the damage dealers of other races, and our damage output is too low to break theirs. Apoc with a proper tank runs out of cap in a few moments. Thats the very reason why there has been so many threads on the issue. learn2play plz, apoc has awesome tank and can put down more dps than more people give it credit for.. also nospoc.. deadly ship ------ FPDOMS MINER KILLBOARD
Meridius	Posted - 2006.06.02 17:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Jim Raynor i think every race can claim to have a handful of ships not worth **, malediction and crusader arent bad interceptors.. boring HACs? Zealot is one of the best, Sac is well, the Sac.. uh... ty cruisers? Omen is okay, Maller is one of the better ones with it's tankability.. uhm Armageddon is the most range friendly high DPS ship in the game.. Apoc has its uses too. I don't really see the Amarr being that bad off.. See Jim, what you do is not fly any of the ships and pretend to know all about them based on there stats. You say Omen's are not bad yet nobody *** flies them because they would get owned by any other useable cruiser (thorax/vexor/rupture/caracal). Why would i use a Crusader/Malediction when a Claw/Taranis can do the same thing so much better? Zealot good? It's predictable as ** and only has 1 trick and thats damage. Oh but wait, it gets outdamaged by an EW drone boat known as the Ishtar. It also gets outdamaged by a Cerebus anywhere outside 18km or so. Thats good? Umm k. Those lowslots used to be hot, now i wish they turned into midslots. Most of our ships are predictable and easy to counter. We used to make up for that fact by stacking up on damage mods and actually having a trick. Now we don't. - _____
Godar Marak	Posted - 2006.06.02 17:09:00 - [27] Edited by: Godar Marak on 02/06/2006 17:09:09 Originally by: Jim Raynor learn2play plz, apoc has awesome tank and can put down more dps than more people give it credit for.. Good damage for fighting sanshas you mean Quote: also nospoc.. deadly ship Never heard of cap injectors then? If theres any true nos ships its the domi.
kessah	Posted - 2006.06.02 17:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Kyozoku Amarr are very good. They're just flavour of the month for the whiners. Whining has a FOTM? That doesn't make sense. We have some good ships but a lot of bad ones to. We have ****ty frigates, cruisers, assault frigates, sub par interceptors, boring HACs and battleships that are just meh. I think the main problem with Amarr is that they're so boring, lasers, armor and thats it while other races get more diverse roles to play. Totally agree with you there man, ive been amarr spec for a Long time now, and really there ships do after awhile bore you. The med slots of a ship are the creative side of a ship. Amarr do need more power to get away from the fact it doesnt need creativity just brute power and damage. also necro sorry dude but noway are gallente broke. Like meridius said best ceptor, af's, cruiser, hac, command ship, super wtfpwn CQ bs's and the rest. The only ship amarr are superior in are the Recon ship department. I do feel Amarr need an inch more of there main strengths. More armour, alittle more damage if the dmg types are to remain. They dont need extra mids just feel they do need more of what they have already. -------------------------------------------------------- http://www.eve-files.com/media/0604/Forever_pirate.wmv[/ur
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2006.06.02 17:13:00 - [29] Quote: See Jim, what you do is not fly any of the ships and pretend to know all about them based on there stats. You say Omen's are not bad yet nobody ***** flies them because they would get owned by any other useable cruiser (thorax/vexor/rupture/caracal). Amarr have as many good ships as the other races. I never said the Omen was the best cruiser ever now did I? It's not a horrible ship though, and the Maller is quite good. Quote: Why would i use a Crusader/Malediction when a Claw/Taranis can do the same thing so much better? Crusader/Malediction don't seem bad to me, I won't argue that the Claw and Taranis are technically better, but I would hardly say they're useless either. Quote: Zealot good? It's predictable as and only has 1 trick and thats damage. Oh but wait, it gets outdamaged by an EW drone boat known as the Ishtar. It also gets outdamaged by a Cerebus anywhere outside 18km or so. Thats good? Umm k. Those lowslots used to be hot, now i wish they turned into midslots. Zealot is a pretty tough ship to kill, and it does do very good DPS, and it's the second fastest HAC (albiet a distant second), it can put down a very good pvp loadout in its mids. Speed, firepower, tanks well, yeah what a worthless ship. Quote:** Most of our ships are predictable and easy to counter. We used to make up for that fact by stacking up on damage mods and actually having a trick. Now we don't. Uhm, not really. That's like saying every ship in EVE is worthless because ECM Jammers exist, that's hardly true. I doubt many ships run around with TDs to be honest. Amarr isn't bad sorry. ------ FPDOMS MINER KILLBOARD
Godar Marak	Posted - 2006.06.02 17:20:00 - [30] Originally by: Jim Raynor Amarr isn't bad sorry. Just took a look at your killboard. You are someone who flies Amarr alot arent you?

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