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Insidi Us
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Posted - 2006.06.05 16:55:00 -
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Hey everyone, I'm still a very young player (32 days I believe), but as I was messing around with EVEmon I made a HAC plan and a BS plan. I could be flying a BS in 5 days I think it was, but the HAC was 87 days or so! What about the HAC justifies the extra 82 days of training?
My guess is that even though I can fly a BS in 4 days, I won't be able to fly it well for 50 more days, to get my mechanic skills up, my engineering to 5, my electronics to 5, weapon upgrades to 5 plus 4 levels in advanced weapon upgrades, large turrets, etc etc etc.
My other guess was that HACs are very specialized (how I don't know), which justifies the longer training time.
Can anyone explain the training time discrepancy (sp)? Or is it just "apples and oranges?" Thanks in advance,
Insidi Us
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.05 16:57:00 -
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Apples and oranges, or more specifically Tech 1 and Tech 2. Tech 2 stuff takes longer to train for, and are generally more specialized in their role.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:00:00 -
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Tech 2 takes longer to train for. Simple as that.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:04:00 -
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BS, imo take way longer to train for then HACs. Sure you can fly BS faster then hacs, but to be able to use them effectively? No chance BS is faster then HACs.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:06:00 -
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If everyone flies HAC very fast, it will be way overpriced and EvE will die of imbalance. Battles wont be fun coz everyone thinks they need T2 to win. EvE will just be another World of Starcraft. T2 grinding for the noobs. 
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:09:00 -
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Just because you CAN get in a BS in 5 days doesn't mean you SHOULD !!! This is a very important point and is supported by just about everyone that has PVP'd. The sheer number of BSs that are taken down with crap fittings flown by poorly skilled pilots is staggering.
My advice, for what it's worth, is you should develop your skills in that direction certainly, but work your way up (to either HAC or BS). Don't jump in a ship until you have good supporting skills. (i.e. get good gunnery/missiles & engineering etc first).
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
If everyone flies HAC very fast, it will be way overpriced and EvE will die of imbalance. Battles wont be fun coz everyone thinks they need T2 to win. EvE will just be another World of Starcraft. T2 grinding for the noobs.
Is the best reply here yet, IMO.
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Insidi Us
My guess is that even though I can fly a BS in 4 days, I won't be able to fly it well for 50 more days, to get my mechanic skills up, my engineering to 5, my electronics to 5, weapon upgrades to 5 plus 4 levels in advanced weapon upgrades, large turrets, etc etc etc.
My other guess was that HACs are very specialized (how I don't know), which justifies the longer training time.
Insidi Us
Both your guesses are correct (though I'd say alot more than 50 days in #1).
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Darpz
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:21:00 -
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god I have 20M SP and pretty specialized and I'm still trying to max out Gal BS
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Darpz
god I have 20M SP and pretty specialized and I'm still trying to max out Gal BS
ditto for minmatar :/. missiles + drones are next on the never-ending list
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Darpz
god I have 20M SP and pretty specialized and I'm still trying to max out Gal BS
ditto for minmatar :/. missiles + drones are next on the never-ending list
Same for Caldari. 2.3M Electronics, 2.3M Guns and 2.5M Missiles and still rising. 
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Alain Josviar
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:32:00 -
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In general, T2 ships have much greater base resists, extra slots and extra/specialized bonuses. It's probably best to stick with T1 frigates and cruisers while you train your support skills to 4's and 5's. That way you'll learn the ropes of combat without sacrificing a lot of isk and be a lot more effective in combat than flying around in a big ship with crap skills. Plus by then you might have changed your mind about flying the big ships and will be in a good position to launch from.
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Lisento Slaven
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:39:00 -
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You should also be aware of *all the other things you open up* by training towards HAC's. It's not like you only open up 1 ship when you train for it.
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Doddy
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:48:00 -
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If you ask me(not that anyone ever does), far too many people are training their command skills too fast . There are a lot of very underskilled Battleship pilots out there at the moment(in terms of in game skill and experience). I know i would rather have a cruiser with a healthy spread of combat of skills than a Battleship with small guns lol The cruiser is obviously a lot more sustainable isk wise as well for a newish player. And HACs take a long time to train because a) they are uber (large nos apart) and b) a young player would be bankrupted losing one due to the lack of real insurance (hell so are a lot of experienced pilots). Its ccps way of making sure people dont jump in at the deep end.
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Pointless Vengence
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Posted - 2006.06.05 18:01:00 -
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Welcome to Eve,
A good way to view HACS is as a semi-long term goal which you can meet while training your basic skills. Work towards getting all your offensive and defensive skills up as well as your fitting skills. The ships are EXPENSIVE (a topic for another thread) and you want to make sure you have decent skills and ISK in reserve to fit it with T2 gear.
There is no way you will be able to recover what you paid for the ship through insurance. So ya might want to be familiar with all the defensive and offensive mechanics and strategies of the game before you take that route . . . I often suggest:
Interceptor -> Assault Frig -> Heavy Assault Cruiser
Frig fittings are tight so this path forces you to train your fitting skills. It also encourages you to train your T2 weapons and defenses up as well. Once you get to the Assault Frig (AF) you might not want to go further. Frig combat is pretty fun and a lot cheaper as far a losses go.
Just have fun and train up with the HAC as a long term goal. As long as you keep on training, in time you will find yourself in a HAC. And once you meet the requirements for one, it becomes a lot easier to fly the others. Keep in mind that flying HACs takes a lot more than just the skill to fly the ship, without decent weapons and defensive skills sinking the ISK into a HAC can be somewhat . . .
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.05 19:11:00 -
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I would generally take a BS over a HAC, not because of price but because of effectivity.
And battleships will take longer to skill up then HACs to a good level.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.06.05 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
I would generally take a BS over a HAC, not because of price but because of effectivity.
And battleships will take longer to skill up then HACs to a good level.
Dont tell anyone! hacs are uber 
If a deimos cost 25mil and a Blasterthorn costs 25mil after insurace, i would take the B-thron every time, similar arguments with all hacs and that race BS! apart from perhaps the****abond with its 4kmps
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Insidi Us
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Posted - 2006.06.05 21:27:00 -
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Alright, thanks for the info. I'm just fooling around with my Omen right now, and working on my learning and support skills. I don't actually intend to follow a path for either ship style until I get my basic skills down. I think in my EVEmon skill plan the nearest Spaceship Command skill is at the bottom of my monitor with the window maximized. Everything above it is gunnery/learning/missiles/engineering/electronics/mechanics/blah blah blah.
I also don't know what race I want to fly, so it's best to train the skills that will be useful for all (a la eng/elec/learning) before focusing on weapon or ship types.
Thanks again,
Insidi Us
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Posted - 2006.06.05 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Darpz
god I have 20M SP and pretty specialized and I'm still trying to max out Gal BS
ditto for minmatar :/. missiles + drones are next on the never-ending list
yep, 450k in drones 800k in missiles ftw
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