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Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 397	Posted - 2014.05.28 10:24:00 - [1] - Quote Imagine you could listen to your own personal playlist while playing EVE... Yes that's what mp3 players are for BUT... Imagine you could broadcast your playlist to all your fleet... Nice, huh? Now, imagine you could broadcast your playlist to everybody on-grid with you, say via a 'SpaceAmp' utility highslot mod... Ride of the Valkyries, anyone? Or maybe airhorn Wrecking Ball if you're in PL... What about broadcasting it to the entire system, with a 'SpaceAmp' deployable? Make your home system rock! Or funky, or classy jazz... Just imagine travelling through New Eden and listening to a different musical style in each system... And praising (or disapproving of) the locals' tastes in local chat... Do you prefer your space slient? No problem, scan the 'SpaceAmp' and shoot it down! Then maybe replace it with your own, possibly playing 'The Sound of Silence'... If CCP made a deal with any music streaming website that allowed you to create your playlist out of thousands of songs, developed a simple EVE-client interface (also handling the in-game broadcast 'rules') and let the partner handle all the streaming (no additional EVE server load), would you pay PLEX for the service? For the sake of discussion, say 1 PLEX gave you 20 hours of streaming 'rights'. You get to decide all the songs, when to play them and who (if anyone) to broadcast them to, also using in-game tools to interact with other players (modules, deployables).
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 4597	Posted - 2014.05.28 10:26:00 - [2] - Quote A good mic and solid TS connection and I can do this for free without bothering people in local "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo
Adrie Atticus The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans 113	Posted - 2014.05.28 10:33:00 - [3] - Quote With this, every day is Frriday!
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1942	Posted - 2014.05.28 10:35:00 - [4] - Quote No, no, no, hell no They could however bring back the jukebox. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Webvan All Kill No Skill 6503	Posted - 2014.05.28 10:40:00 - [5] - Quote Hey look, another features and ideas discussion in GD. If only CCP thought ahead and made say a sub-forum for this kinda stuff Anywat, shoutcast? Pretty much for the price of a Plex you can run it all month from a virtual server rental. Don't even need to waste a stack of Plex. Unless you want to contract them over to me, up to you. Brooks Puuntai wrote: They could however bring back the jukebox. ^^ damn straight
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 397	Posted - 2014.05.28 10:59:00 - [6] - Quote Webvan wrote: Anywat, shoutcast? Pretty much for the price of a Plex you can run it all month from a virtual server rental. Sure, but that's simply out-of-game broadcasting. It doesn't even go near the player-to-player interaction potential of a broadcast tool integrated with the game and its mechanics. I understand that you personally find the possibilities uninspiring, but you can't really compare two very different user experiences. About the price, sure if currently 20$ buys you a month of server rental including royalties, 1 PLEX could give you 200 hours instead of 20 - just assume the price is fair considering all costs including royalties.
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1748	Posted - 2014.05.28 11:06:00 - [7] - Quote Services and software for this exists plentyfull and is free. What's the point? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! White light, shining bright!
Webvan All Kill No Skill 6516	Posted - 2014.05.28 11:17:00 - [8] - Quote Royalties? I'd just play my own music, I don't need to pay myself. Then there are tons of royalty-free music, almost as good as mine You just put the link in your bio, thus eveyone in the solar system can have access to it. You could even go podcast, I know some here that do that. If CCP would be willing to do anything with music in which people would use, they need to add a customizable jukebox. Was the best feature in EVE, the old one.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 3342	Posted - 2014.05.28 11:21:00 - [9] - Quote Royalties are a major concern with this. Broadcast rights are expensive. So it's not going to happen. As for playing your own music, that's what a decent audio player is for, on your pc. Not embedded in eve. It adds nothing, and takes development time. Especially when you then get people asking 'why doesn't it play X format' Run Eve in fixed window (or windowed) mode, and you can alt tab to your player, without minimizing Eve. Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 397	Posted - 2014.05.28 11:32:00 - [10] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Services and software for this exists plentyfull and is free. What's the point? At its core, the point is to give players a powerful and easy-to-use tool to creatively influence the social space around them (corp, fleet, grid, system). The tool could be freely used ''for good' to enrichen a corp or fleet identity or create a pleasing ambiance for everyone to share, or 'for bad' to blast intimidating war-music into the enemy fleet's ears or even just to plss-off the locals, daring them to warp to the music source and shoot it down. Possibilities would be endless, though sure you may find them obnoxious or distracting to core EVE gameplay. But just imagine your favorite movie without its soundtrack.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 6516	Posted - 2014.05.28 11:36:00 - [11] - Quote I think when people say that, theh have little to no music to listen to, seldom do. In the old system I could easily pick and choose what I wanted to listen to on the fly w/o screwing with alt tabbing etc. For years I kept the player on my screen all the time, quick easy access and made EVE a much better game for it. This feature has also been in other classic mmo's, and I took full advantage of it as a music lover. Was one of the best features of EVE. Now I just turn the sound off.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 397	Posted - 2014.05.28 11:49:00 - [12] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Royalties are a major concern with this. Broadcast rights are expensive. So it's not going to happen. As for playing your own music, that's what a decent audio player is for, on your pc. Not embedded in eve. It adds nothing, and takes development time. Especially when you then get people asking 'why doesn't it play X format' Run Eve in fixed window (or windowed) mode, and you can alt tab to your player, without minimizing Eve. Yes, I assumed PLEX instead of free to cover the royalties, and development would be just for an interface towards the third party's streaming service (that the third party would certainly collaborate on). It's not about playing my own music all by myself, it's about player-to-player interaction and the opportunity for EVE players to further influence and shape 'their space'. Which you may, of course, think is a bad idea regarding in-game background music.
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1945	Posted - 2014.05.28 11:50:00 - [13] - Quote I find it a bit ironic how so many ISD staff have monocles... Since you know the whole "MonocleGate" was part of the reason many of them got the positions they have now. Just an observation, and totally not a attempt to get this terrible thread locked, moved, or orbitally bombarded... CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 4599	Posted - 2014.05.28 11:51:00 - [14] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: a powerful and easy-to-use tool to creatively influence the social space around them Oh I get it! The strategic aim is to standardise the infrastructures to drive down operating costs through supply based consolidation and leveraging group spend as well as exploiting best-in-class technologies and practices to provide robust, scalable and agile services with excellent customer experience. Gotcha. "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 397	Posted - 2014.05.28 11:55:00 - [15] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: I find it a bit ironic how so many ISD staff have monocles... Since you know the whole "MonocleGate" was part of the reason many of them got the positions they have now. Just an observation, and totally not a attempt to get this terrible thread locked, moved, or orbitally bombarded... To better understand your point of view, do you really not like music that much or do you just think there's no point in music sharing in EVE?
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1946	Posted - 2014.05.28 11:59:00 - [16] - Quote It is a pointless addition that adds very little at a high cost of development and possibly legal issues. Forcing other users to listen to peoples "awesome track mix" will only solidify the meme "Eve has sound?". Not to mention streaming services are already available outside of game similar to Eve Radio, which makes utilizing resources on this redundant. Similar to Eve-Voice, however at least eve voice has a useful purpose where as your idea does not. E: The only "useful" addition this could add is if WiS was fully fleshed out as it was originally advertised. Which then people who open bars/clubs and/or player owned stations could have the music running in there. However it would still cause legal issues and be somewhat of a waste of development. But it would at least match the setting. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Dav Varan Spiritus Draconis Drunk 'n' Disorderly 185	Posted - 2014.05.28 11:59:00 - [17] - Quote In space nobody can hear you stream.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 398	Posted - 2014.05.28 12:12:00 - [18] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: It is a pointless addition that adds very little at a high cost of development and possibly legal issues. Forcing other users to listen to peoples "awesome track mix" will only solidify the meme "Eve has sound?". Not to mention streaming services are already available outside of game similar to Eve Radio, which makes utilizing resources on this redundant. Similar to Eve-Voice, however at least eve voice has a useful purpose where as your idea does not. Thank you, it's clear now! If the idea was popular, PLEX would easily cover development costs and royalties, both of which a business partner (from the internet music industry) would know how to manage efficiently. If, on the contrary, the majority of the playerbase kinda agrees with you then yes, it would be pointless. Given that almost everyone loves music (and the old Jukebox) and that music streaming and sharing services are a multi-billion dollar business, it seemed at least worthy of a GD thread on a slow day.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 6516	Posted - 2014.05.28 12:13:00 - [19] - Quote Yeah, same, I go with 'redundant' since you cant control track sekection. There would be no dif between having it in-game or running the stream from another app but just playing on the same computer. You just srart it and forget about it. The only game I can rhink of that does that is second life (not meant as a scorn). And knowing how that works, the liability excuse is actually bogus. But apart from that comment, it's still just a bit redundant.
Marsha Mallow 773	Posted - 2014.05.28 12:17:00 - [20] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: To better understand your point of view, do you really not like music that much or do you just think there's no point in music sharing in EVE? I can see it might be fun but. We are talking about Eve players here. Fleets chasing each other would just stream Benny Hill music in local. Or record themselves singing and broadcast it. Some things are just too horriable to imagine. Do we really want people running to media outlets and concerned CSMs crying they've been musically harassed? Or because someone said their singing was atrocious? TO THE RIPARDMOBILE!
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 399	Posted - 2014.05.28 12:19:00 - [21] - Quote Marsha Mallow wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: To better understand your point of view, do you really not like music that much or do you just think there's no point in music sharing in EVE? I can see it might be fun but. We are talking about Eve players here. Fleets chasing each other would just stream Benny Hill music in local. Or record themselves singing and broadcast it. Some things are just too horriable to imagine. Do we really want people running to media outlets and concerned CSMs crying they've been musically harassed? Or because someone said their singing was atrocious? I would personally find all of what you just wrote hillarious but yeah, it's probably just me. On a side note, your forum sig makes me laugh each an every time I see it.
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1783	Posted - 2014.05.28 12:22:00 - [22] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Services and software for this exists plentyfull and is free. What's the point? At its core, the point is to give players a powerful and easy-to-use tool to creatively influence the social space around them (corp, fleet, grid, system). The tool could be freely used ''for good' to enrichen a corp or fleet identity or create a pleasing ambiance for everyone to share, or 'for bad' to blast intimidating war-music into the enemy fleet's ears or even just to plss-off the locals, daring them to warp to the music source and shoot it down. Possibilities would be endless, though sure you may find them obnoxious or distracting to core EVE gameplay. But just imagine your favorite movie without its soundtrack. Wow, you're nuts. That's the second worst idea I've read so far and I'm playing for many years now! Congratulations! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! White light, shining bright!
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1946	Posted - 2014.05.28 12:23:00 - [23] - Quote Webvan wrote: You just srart it and forget about it. The only game I can think of that does that is second life (not meant as a scorn). And knowing how that works, the liability excuse is actually bogus. But apart from that comment, it's still just a bit redundant. And really, compared to SL, you are just over complicating the ideal. I don't know how SL does it, but if the company is providing the service and charging for it, it creates a legal issue. Since they are directly charging and profiting from it. If it is a player made "mod" which allows players to do in game streaming among others who have the mod, then the company isn't directly profiting from it nor are they providing it. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 399	Posted - 2014.05.28 12:26:00 - [24] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Wow, you're nuts. That's the second worst idea I've read so far and I'm playing for many years now! Congratulations! Hey, you get all excited about avatar minidresses, I'd love a New Eden filled with music. To each his own, though I personally find avatar minidresses not bad, either.
Marsha Mallow 773	Posted - 2014.05.28 12:30:00 - [25] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: I would personally find all of what you just wrote hillarious but yeah, it's probably just me. On a side note, your forum sig makes me laugh each an every time I see it. Same, actually made me laugh thinking about it. No more running away from fights or hiding in station, people would kill us just to stop the racket. I'm sure we can still add some creative soundtracks/effects to Eve related videos. For the sig I need to add a little Ripard sign (like the bat signal), something like this WTB artist or I'll probably just end up scrawling it in ms paint TO THE RIPARDMOBILE!
Webvan All Kill No Skill 6516	Posted - 2014.05.28 12:38:00 - [26] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: Webvan wrote: You just srart it and forget about it. The only game I can think of that does that is second life (not meant as a scorn). And knowing how that works, the liability excuse is actually bogus. But apart from that comment, it's still just a bit redundant. And really, compared to SL, you are just over complicating the ideal. I don't know how SL does it, but if the company is providing the service and charging for it, it creates a legal issue. Since they are directly charging and profiting from it. If it is a player made "mod" which allows players to do in game streaming among others who have the mod, then the company isn't directly profiting from it nor are they providing it. Yeah, thats the part where he is over complicating it. CCP doesnt need to actually run any "service" to make something like that work. It's just a matter of having permission to broadcast your stream. When people suggest things like this, they add in the 'paid service' part thinking it would become a good idea due to playing on the greed of CCP. Makes CCP extra moneys, so must be good, no? But just more spin on fail.
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1793	Posted - 2014.05.28 12:46:00 - [27] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Wow, you're nuts. That's the second worst idea I've read so far and I'm playing for many years now! Congratulations! Hey, you get all excited about avatar minidresses and virtual tea-sipping, I'd love a New Eden filled with music. To each his own, though I personally find avatar minidresses not bad, either. Nope. It's not "To each his own". What you or I like is completely irrelevant. The fact that you come up with such a response lets my alarm bells ring out loudly! What counts is that you didn't put a single deep thought into this "idea". What counts is how the masses will react to it and it's not hilarious at all! People will just turn sound off and be extremely annoyed that they HAVE to! There's a high chance nobody wants to listen to your crap, you know? Forcing people to listen to something against their will creates ragequitters by the hundreds! PLEASE! When you think about an idea that affects others, then also think about how it affects others from their POV! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! White light, shining bright!
Webvan All Kill No Skill 6523	Posted - 2014.05.28 13:02:00 - [28] - Quote Hah! Reading on my tablet, totally missed that part in the OP about being forced to listen unless you attacked it. Now thats just lol. No dev in their right mind would do that. Even the brief example I mentioned you could just dissable the stream. Forcing people to listen to it... yep it's up there among top bad suggestions ever assaulted against GD.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 400	Posted - 2014.05.28 13:05:00 - [29] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: People will just turn sound off and be extremely annoyed that they HAVE to! If that were the only downside, a trivial 'revert to soundtrack' button would fix it. You could still have people that check out other people's music out of curiosity, leave it on if they like it, turn it off if they don't. It would just be another way of socializing with people that share your passions while you're both playing the same game, much like you do yourself with your avatar. So yeah, to each his own. Also, an idea works only if a sizeable number of people love the concept. Then you can go to work on the mechanics. My OP was meant to test that. There's no point in including every single boring detail in your pitch, even if you actually did already think about it. Alas, seems that me and Marsha are the only ones so far, and Marsha is probably just humouring me because she's a nice person.
Marsha Mallow 775	Posted - 2014.05.28 13:07:00 - [30] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Forcing people to listen to something against their will creates ragequitters by the hundreds! PLEASE! When you think about an idea that affects others, then also think about how it affects others from their POV! Er, not sure this argument works well Sol. Screeching at the frivolous proposal stage indicates it's a great idea. Watch now, it'll get ninja added to the Crius Release (aka 'The Highsec Apocalypse'). New ambient noise sound effect 'wailing' background noise. Webvan wrote: No dev in their right mind would do that... Forcing people to listen to it... cough tooltips cough TO THE RIPARDMOBILE!

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