That is funny because pretezel logic and personal definitions seem to be your specialty

I remember earlier you were trying to say that EVE doesn't condone scamming.

'We' as in the collective EVE community, including the devs. Used it as a general term more than anything else. Don't read so much into it.

I guarantee you it does. Right now.

It's clearly a special special world you live in.

...based on what?

Based on the current Kronos build.

Could make sense. Do you know if that Drone Avionics V is required to use Tech II drones on the current Kronos build as well?

Because if I get that skill to V via my Scout Drones skill I could save some days of training right now and stop trainig Combat Drones to V as well.

Based on the current Kronos build.
Also, based on how it's the only requirement that makes any sense with this change.

It doesn't make any sense because that would violate their dictum of "if you can use it now, you can use it after".

It makes sense because Drone Avionics is the skill that control drone control range. It therefore also unlocks modules that control drone control range. Compare Drone Navigation GåÆ DNC and Drone Sharpshooting GåÆ Omnilink.

Drone Avionics controls bonuses and modules that have to do with drone control range.

You're still ignoring the larger point.

If someone doesn't have Scout Drone Operation 5 but they do have Combat Drone Operation 5, come June 3rd they'll discover they won't be able to use T2 DLAs anymore.

If I don't need that skill for Tech II light and medium drones at V I don't understand why somebody should get it automatically at V via the update from the Scout Drone skill?

Because it's the skill you've trained to V.

If you have trained SDO V, you have unlocked:
GÇó T2 light drones.
GÇó T2 medium drones.
GÇó A 25km drone control range.

They don't want you to lose any of those, so you're being given:
GÇó The ability to use T2 light drones (LDO V).
GÇó The ability to use T2 medium drones (MDO V).
GÇó A 25km drone control range (DAv V).

If you have trained CDO V, you have unlocked:
GÇó +25% damage to light drones.
GÇó +25% damage to medium drones.

They don't want you to lose those bonuses either, so you're being given:
GÇó +25% damage to light drones (LDO V).
GÇó +25% damage to medium drones (MDO V).


Basically, the entire change is to fix the entirely illogical cross-skill bonusing and unlocking that the current drone skills offer. Right now, the drone skills are such that, if the turret skills worked the same, you would have to train Long-range Targeting V in order to use T2 light blaster GÇö the two have absolutely nothing to do with each other. All of that silliness is being removed: bonusing skills and unlocking skills become one and the same.

That's ok. They'll get fast-tracked to T2 drones instead, which is far more valuable.

No. I simply consider it utterly minute.

That's ok. They'll get fast-tracked to T2 drones instead, which is far more valuable.

oh look. another one of these threads.

i'm just going to laugh at all the people who trained CDO V, it's more productive than talking to them at this point.

Of course, anyone with any sense will be maxing SDO on every character to maximise the benefits anyway, but it does leave a crack in the system that someone is bound to fall through.

I trained it

The people complaining about it are contemptibly petty to an unbelievable level.

Save that for things that are actually contemptibly petty.

I'm guessing that anyone who wants maximum range will have gone for the (far cheaper and universally more useful) SDO V than the single-purpose and limited-use DLA II, so the amount of people falling through that crack should be vanishingly small.

There is actually another crack as well: people will lose their sentries unless they have drone specs trained GÇö there are a few special-purpose AFK alts that will fall into that one. But again, it's such a minute case that it's not worth bothering with.

yes, and no word on SP reimbursement.

why would CCP reimburse SP if you didn't lose any and infact gain more?

why would CCP reimburse SP if you didn't lose any and infact gain more?

It feels a bit nasty because the dev-blog mislead you to do something dumb. If you had (the pretty easy skilled) Scout Drones already at V it seems you get a gift if you don't skill Combat Drones any further. If you read the dev-blog and skilled Combat Drones to avoid some huge skilltime multiplikation (like in the past with Destroyer or Battle-Cruiser) you did not save but wasted skilltime because the gift after the update is doing the same for you (so you might feel bad now). Anyway I think it's ok without refund and if you have some fresh toon (like me) you could still take advantage from the update.

So those who play the system lose out and those of us who either have the skills we need or are still skilling dont?

If you are still skilling Combat Drones you "loose" because you could get it for free after the update (means you are wasting your time via doing something twice). But since it's more like a gift for those who don't skill than a real loose (for those who get it the hard way) nobody steal something from you. That's the reason why I think it's not smart but ok. The only remaining problem I see is the dev-blog that caused that issue (and for sure caused lot of corp-mails that gave some wrong hints).

I trained it

The people complaining about it are contemptibly petty to an unbelievable level.