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Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 08:30:00 - [1] HEHE The problem is that m2pb are not available in the game at all.. not if you kill a million npc. Tech are getting FAT and when new technology comes along they will be in a real good position to corner the market AGAIN. This is the nub.. Couldnt give a stuff how much Tech charge for the M2 what i care about is that there is no way i can get MY hands on a M2PB.. That sucks and in the long run will affect the economy. All you flamers beware i can tell you dont do a lot of mining .. When the uber ammo for your uber gun is made by tech and you know that the markup is 1000'% and there is no way you can play without the ammo (cos someone buys it right) you cant get it from anywhere else... Just ponder on that whilst avvin a laugh cos you arnt affected by m2 fiasco.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:03:00 - [2] OK here is my research .. Can anymore M2 bp's be obtained in the eve univers.. NO Is that good enough for you. ANY PLAYER SHOULD WITH ENOUGH EFFORT BE ABLE TO OBTAIN ANY ITEM IN THE GAME. Its not a difficult concept. Please dont keep making the mistake that all these posts are annoyed purcahasers of m2's they arnt. They are people who think that the introduction of new technology into the game should be available to all not a select few. This isnt to hard for you to understand is it? The current situation is making Mega corps. Great OCP wants some mega corps .. This is not the way to do it .. Mega corps should be created because the corporation is run well and efficient. They will get rare items before others because of thier size and isk muscle. But thats the point the items are rare.. Sooner or later others will find them and that particular cow will be dead. On to the next. Not as it is now the cow is immortal.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:28:00 - [3] Your simply NOT listening are you. I want the feckin thing to be rare.... BUT AVAILABLE I couldnt give a gnats bolloc if it was so rare that it was a 1 in 1000 chance drop of a named pirate that spawns randonmly in any solar system once every week. At present its NOT AVAILABLE.. I couldnt give a monkies how much it sells for .. I dont care about the huge profits being made as long as the item can be obtained from the univers at some point by theoretically any player who is prepared to put the effort in. Sheesh dont you guys read anything. In game lets all be ruthless .. Fine. But lets not make it so that a select few are the only ones who get to play the ruthless part.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:34:00 - [4] NO NO NO NO Please listen An item is rare if it is hard to find or get hold of from the eve univers. These items arnt rare.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:38:00 - [5] Quote: Exactly. There is no miner II problem. Loads of people have them , including small corps (I know this because I am in one). The prices are not out of reach. People whined because everybody could get hold of a cruiser BP, now people whine because not everyone has a Miner II BP. The translated whine here is "hey some people are making a fortune out of Miner II BPs but I don't have one - how can that be fair?" Just step back and think about how to get your hands on the next big ticket blueprint. Lady Jaxx isnt in a corp Its noob char Please use your real char if you going to post who ever you are
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:42:00 - [6] Quote: Quote: When are CCP going to put pets in this game anyway :)) Slavers. Gadgets - anyone CAN get ANY item in the game IF they work hard enough. Whether they swap megacyte for a Miner II, whether they ingratiate themselves with Techell, whether they wait until Tech III come out, when Tech II will probably be as common as much. Where's the problem? I really don't get all the whining on this, first people whine that everyone can make everything, which is bad, THEN they whine that only a few people have a few items. THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE! Jesus Christ why cant you people read. Am i not making myself clear. YOU CANNOT GET A M2BP IN THE GAME UNLESS SOMEONE SELLS AN EXISTING ONE. Where did the EXISTING ones come from?? THEY WERE INTRODUCED INTO THE GAME.. Please read my other post i am sick of repeating myself
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:49:00 - [7] this is whaty i am saying I dont care how rare it is as long as it is proven to be available.. Believe me plenty of people will try to find them .. It is also a way of controlling the market by statistics . You can work out the probability of intorduction into markets by how rare they dicide to make the items. You will still get the Booms for new Rare Items(Blue prints is all im talkin about) But eventually someone else will find the item. It will still be rare.. a bit later another find.. Like i keep trying to point out its the fact that its impossible to get a copy of the BP if it were near impossible there would be no problem. And please understand i am not talking about the manufactured Miner 2 beam its the Blue print thats important.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 11:07:00 - [8] Quote: Quote: Gadgets, you make sense to me, I guess the others simpley don't want or are able to see your point of view. I guess Techhell will outfit all there members with BS (if they don't already fly the latest and best) and buy a couble of space stations when they come out. Question is did they have to work for it? Answer is no they just got themself a license to print money. I wonder how much they made by selling there stuff on e-bay. It would have been fine if they had a week or so as the only providers, but after a month+ it makes you wonder if it is worth continuing playing this game. They paid over 2 billion for those BP's. They didn't make that 2 billion by selling miner II's, so I'm guessing they did some work for it. Fine and dandy. So whats that got to do with this. Absolutly nothing is what. This has nothing directly to do with Tech it has to do with how the univers ticks and if its going to tick like this then all the little guys will stay little forever, No im telling lies. Someone somewhere will decide who gets what and when .. Controlled you might say .. This sort of controll is too much .. the controll should be left to chance. PLayers have to feel they have got lucky.. and more importantly other players have to also feel that player got lucky. If that player sells his "find" for 2 billion thats his choice. The fact that someone else could find that item (or research it-or backward engineer) is what is called spice and will add huge benifits to the universe. At the moment the only spice is .. well there isnt any. A huge part of this universe for a lot of players was the ability to find/research/backward engineer things that could make the rich. This method is stale and does not work.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 11:30:00 - [9] Excellent Solution. But the nice fat corps can now spend a lot of money on these things. The damage you might say has allready been done. If there are just a finite set of bp for an item available in the Eve Universe then the solution you descibe should work . as long as it is consistant with new items added on a regular basis. OPPS this will lead to hundreds of "Rare" items. The solution is as i have described countless time .. the items need to be available to all IF you put the work in .. Those are the rules.. If i knew it was going to take statistly 3 weeks to get an item .. thats its rarity value. When the market stabalises it doesnt mean the items will be sold fo a few isk over cost .. Thats cos all items were EASILY available. I say all items should just be available. They shouldnt be easy to get nor should they be impossible .. somewhere inbetween. In 1 months lets say 4 other corps have the m2 bp but they dont have the resources of some of the existing corps.. Theyt sell thiers for a 50% markup .. but they cannot produce enough. People will still buy m2's for 2-5 mil cos they cant be arsed waiting or travelling. Some bright spark will buy shed loads of them so he can produce them all the time and allways have a stock (tech) so what .. Now i have said enough. I have made my points. I am done this is a wast of time.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 17:04:00 - [10] Quote: Edited by: Cao Cao on 25/09/2003 16:32:11 Gadgets, I'm so glad that nobody listens to morons like you. Holy **. Get a *** CLUE. There is a price tag for everything: you want the damn miner 2 blueprint, raise 2 billion isk and perhaps you will be able to buy it. How many people have license to make money from licensing and selling Microsoft Windows? ONE. And that's Microsoft Corp. Like I said earlier, *** looter communists that want everything given to them. OHHH it isn't FAIR that other people are making money! It isn't FAIR that they organized themselves and worked their asses off to own every battleship BP in the game. It isn't FAIR that when the miner2 blueprints were introduced, they had the money to pay the price people demanded for them. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP. You're nothing but a little girlie crybaby. I can't bear to read the trash you write Gadgets. Pick up a copy of Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and you will find out EXACTLY WHY Taggart Transdimentional was the most successful corp in EVE for a long long time. Their business model (and corp name) is based on that book. Very eloquent. What exactly is your point. Why dont you read alice in wonderland ?? Will it have any bearing on your perceptions of the eve universe? What the hell has Taggart Transdimentional got to do with anything If it pains you dont read anything i write.. Dont read it i would hate to cause you pian. It is apparent that you havent read what i have written anyway. Why dont you try again. Read my posts argue the points OR SHUT THE ** UP YOU IGNORANT MORON

Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.30 23:06:00 - [11] Boing
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.10.01 12:17:00 - [12] There are 2 issues. Please try to digest them before scrawling whines about whiners. 1.The way the technology was introduced cannot be the standard. 2.Tech is now in a position to dominate the market. This includes new technology however it is introduced. Is that simple enough. And to the dimwit Yes i do mean all technology should be available to all IF they put the hurclean effort in to get it. Do you see? I dont want techno elves giving new technology away at any station. I want to know that i can loot something that makes a m2 look like a toothpick. I can keep it or sell it but i cant reproduce it. I want to know that if Billy has a rattle cos he asked nicley i can have one too.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.10.01 12:26:00 - [13] Quote: Not everyone can have everything, that's what separates the rich from the poor... GET OVER IT I think youll find its a question of timing.

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