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The Moor	Posted - 2003.09.24 23:14:00 - [1] Enough already. Handing the lone Miner II BP to a single corp (big one at that) by mistake or not really blows. One corp, makes close to 250mill in less than an hour because of this silver spoon treatment. CCP has created an artifical market which 1 corp benefits from. I think Techell is doing a rational job in the distribution of the Miner II's, but even they have to admit they have a sweet deal on this one. Time to even things up and put Miner I BP's on the NPC market (hopefully an infinite amount so they are not bought out in the 1st ten minutes.)
Telkanes Serkant	Posted - 2003.09.24 23:19:00 - [2] Oh FFS I dont see Everyone screaming at MS that they got Windows and no one else has..... U dont like it simple go get some CU's there is nothing you can do so shut up and put up acting like 5 year olds "Tammys got given a toy and I WANT ONE" Will not make any difference people get advantages for all we know in 3 weeks Techell may lose its advantage to someone else....or get screwed by someone who nicks it from them. JUST REALISE ITS A GAME. AND PLAY IT NOT SCREAM BECAUSE YOU AND YOUR CORP DONT HAVE ALL THE BENEFITS! -Telk I blame Mako Rad***
Gravedancer	Posted - 2003.09.24 23:27:00 - [3] Get your facts straight. There are multiple Miner II BPs in the game. Techell wasnt even the original owner of the Miner II bps. They bought their bp(s) from the people that got them in the event. There are at least a couple other corps out there that have BP's, but those other corps dont sell miner IIs outside their own corp, so they dont advertise that they have them. At least Techell is selling them to the general populace. As for your take on putting Miner II bps on the NPC market, I think that would be a GALACTICLY bad idea, and from what CCP has said, you might as well get used to the way the Miner II bps were distributed. Future new tech will likely be doled out the same way. You see, CCP intended the lvl 1 tech items to be readily accessible to everyone in EVE. Thats why the market was flooded with BP originals, and further flooded with bp copies. It drove prices down so nearly everyone in game can afford at least a low end cruiser by the time they've been in game a couple weeks. The higher tech items, they fully intended these to be harder or nearly impossible to obtain. They WANT players to have to really work to get those items. If they introduced more BPs in any way, ESPECIALLY by putting them on the NPC market, the market of miner IIs would be as flooded as every other market, and soon wed be right back to more *****ing and whining about how theres nothing to work towards in this game. So my suggestion to CCP... keep the BPs of high tech stuff low in number. Give out enough to ensure at least SOME competition for customers, but not enough to drive the market into the ground. Miner II's are fine the way they are. If you cant afford 3-5 mil for them, dont buy them. Same thing I said about CU vapors when they were outrageously priced. Whining about the unfairness of it all does noone any good, and just makes you look silly.
JAXX	Posted - 2003.09.24 23:51:00 - [4] Edited by: JAXX on 24/09/2003 23:51:42 Quote: Oh FFS I dont see Everyone screaming at MS that they got Windows and no one else has..... Terrible analogy, CCP didn't arbitrarily hand MS the source code for Windows. Sometimes to win, you have to fight just as mean and dirty as the other guy. Nobody will beat you challenging you to the field of honor for pistols at dawn. They have to slit your throat while you lay in bed, just like you'd do them. - Jash Illian
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.24 23:52:00 - [5] All this over a bloody mining laser. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
SkyLeach	Posted - 2003.09.25 00:17:00 - [6] Well, i have a way to make money out of this.. i could run a book on how many Miner II topics will get started on the forums each day
Artegg	Posted - 2003.09.25 01:33:00 - [7] Quote: Enough already. Handing the lone Miner II BP to a single corp (big one at that) by mistake or not really blows. One corp, makes close to 250mill in less than an hour because of this silver spoon treatment. CCP has created an artifical market which 1 corp benefits from. I think Techell is doing a rational job in the distribution of the Miner II's, but even they have to admit they have a sweet deal on this one. Time to even things up and put Miner I BP's on the NPC market (hopefully an infinite amount so they are not bought out in the 1st ten minutes.) GOD please will people stop these posts. PLEASE lock this tread for being boring. PS. The moor please do some research before you bother to post
ImEasy	Posted - 2003.09.25 01:34:00 - [8] Seriously, I couldnt care less who got the Miner II bp, or the copies thereof. Its the totally dull way CCP handed them out that gets me. An 'event' that was, to all intents and purposes, locked to the average player - SA territory. OR, the way they handed TTi (known CCP pet) 2 copies. This is the unfairness, nothing else. Dont care Tetchell are making billions, dont care they are the only suppliers of Miner II's on the market, dont care that silly players pay millions in isk or mega for said Miner II's. I do care that CCP dont really have a clue what to do with introducing Tech 2 gear. CCP- get a clue please, and get it quick, before you alienate everyone else not already alienated PS: Hi Moor! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Im Easy....work it out for yourself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Mjr Tom	Posted - 2003.09.25 02:09:00 - [9] Last time I checked the site rules, threads can get locked/deleted for being redundant. I suggest this happen to 90% of these minerII threads.
Rinekar	Posted - 2003.09.25 02:13:00 - [10] Quote: Enough already. Handing the lone Miner II BP to a single corp (big one at that) by mistake or not really blows. One corp, makes close to 250mill in less than an hour because of this silver spoon treatment. CCP has created an artifical market which 1 corp benefits from. I think Techell is doing a rational job in the distribution of the Miner II's, but even they have to admit they have a sweet deal on this one. Time to even things up and put Miner I BP's on the NPC market (hopefully an infinite amount so they are not bought out in the 1st ten minutes.) Uh, ok. So the manufacture market is cornered, but guess what they are dropping now from rats... Koensayr Drive Yards [KOEN] Website

Chucky	Posted - 2003.09.25 03:23:00 - [11] Edited by: Chucky on 25/09/2003 03:24:08 Yea, I've heared of 1 miner 2 dropping out 1000's kills. That will solve everything. But really the miner 2 BS isn't stopping me from having fun, it's the other 52 bugs that were released in the last patch. ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
CLONE 9	Posted - 2003.09.25 06:31:00 - [12] I like the way this has happened and I like the way it was dealt with. Polarises opinion - that leads to anger - anger leads to hate - hate leads to an arse whoopin - arse whoopin leads to war - war leads to corpses - corpses lead to cheap dog food. When are CCP going to put pets in this game anyway :))
rocknic2	Posted - 2003.09.25 06:33:00 - [13] Edited by: rocknic2 on 25/09/2003 06:33:31 aww the moors u wanna hug? no?, then sod off and go tell your mumma that the boys in the game dont play fair. -------------------------------------------- God obviously meant for me to be a n00b so here I am asking the n00b questions.
Cao Cao	Posted - 2003.09.25 07:09:00 - [14] Quote: Enough already. Handing the lone Miner II BP to a single corp (big one at that) by mistake or not really blows. One corp, makes close to 250mill in less than an hour because of this silver spoon treatment. CCP has created an artifical market which 1 corp benefits from. I think Techell is doing a rational job in the distribution of the Miner II's, but even they have to admit they have a sweet deal on this one. Time to even things up and put Miner I BP's on the NPC market (hopefully an infinite amount so they are not bought out in the 1st ten minutes.) You are obviously an idiot and don't know jack ** about what you are talking about. The way you suppose Techell got its blueprints are way off base and nowhere near the truth. Before coming here and posting your worthless trash why don't you try to find out what actually happened? But wait, you're a ***** idiot without a clue, like 99% of the communist carebears in this goddamn game...
Ashton Black	Posted - 2003.09.25 08:04:00 - [15] Mods... please delete or lock this drivel!!
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 08:30:00 - [16] HEHE The problem is that m2pb are not available in the game at all.. not if you kill a million npc. Tech are getting FAT and when new technology comes along they will be in a real good position to corner the market AGAIN. This is the nub.. Couldnt give a stuff how much Tech charge for the M2 what i care about is that there is no way i can get MY hands on a M2PB.. That sucks and in the long run will affect the economy. All you flamers beware i can tell you dont do a lot of mining .. When the uber ammo for your uber gun is made by tech and you know that the markup is 1000'% and there is no way you can play without the ammo (cos someone buys it right) you cant get it from anywhere else... Just ponder on that whilst avvin a laugh cos you arnt affected by m2 fiasco.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.09.25 09:49:00 - [17] The way I see it, Techell paid a lot of ISK for those blueprints, and despite this, they are selling them for less than anyone else. The other minerIIbp's are being used to make money on [auction site]. You should probably be glad Techell are as nice as they are.. And do your research. .
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:03:00 - [18] OK here is my research .. Can anymore M2 bp's be obtained in the eve univers.. NO Is that good enough for you. ANY PLAYER SHOULD WITH ENOUGH EFFORT BE ABLE TO OBTAIN ANY ITEM IN THE GAME. Its not a difficult concept. Please dont keep making the mistake that all these posts are annoyed purcahasers of m2's they arnt. They are people who think that the introduction of new technology into the game should be available to all not a select few. This isnt to hard for you to understand is it? The current situation is making Mega corps. Great OCP wants some mega corps .. This is not the way to do it .. Mega corps should be created because the corporation is run well and efficient. They will get rare items before others because of thier size and isk muscle. But thats the point the items are rare.. Sooner or later others will find them and that particular cow will be dead. On to the next. Not as it is now the cow is immortal.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:19:00 - [19] making these bps available to everyone will see the price for miner II's, and CU's/XeCL's drop to just over their recycle value. That will not make anyone rich, and is more likely to disappoint more people than it pleases. If people want MinerII BP's so they can make the 2.5M profit per item that techell get, then they're going to be in for a surprise. As soon as more than 3 people are selling on the market, the prices will be destroyed systematically, like we have seen with every other high ticket items in the game. Supply should be limited. You'd agree with me if you were one of only 4 people in the universe with an expanded cargohold II BP.... Or would you? Would you rather that the BP for this, which is probably worth over a billion gets dropped to 400k, because people are selling ECII's for mineral cost? Also, had you been in Techell's place, and spent 2 billion plus, how much would you be selling minerII's for? .
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:28:00 - [20] Your simply NOT listening are you. I want the feckin thing to be rare.... BUT AVAILABLE I couldnt give a gnats bolloc if it was so rare that it was a 1 in 1000 chance drop of a named pirate that spawns randonmly in any solar system once every week. At present its NOT AVAILABLE.. I couldnt give a monkies how much it sells for .. I dont care about the huge profits being made as long as the item can be obtained from the univers at some point by theoretically any player who is prepared to put the effort in. Sheesh dont you guys read anything. In game lets all be ruthless .. Fine. But lets not make it so that a select few are the only ones who get to play the ruthless part.

Lady Jaxx	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:29:00 - [21] Exactly. There is no miner II problem. Loads of people have them , including small corps (I know this because I am in one). The prices are not out of reach. People whined because everybody could get hold of a cruiser BP, now people whine because not everyone has a Miner II BP. The translated whine here is "hey some people are making a fortune out of Miner II BPs but I don't have one - how can that be fair?" Just step back and think about how to get your hands on the next big ticket blueprint. "University of Caille 0wnz 4ll j00 l4m3rz"
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:34:00 - [22] NO NO NO NO Please listen An item is rare if it is hard to find or get hold of from the eve univers. These items arnt rare.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:38:00 - [23] Quote: When are CCP going to put pets in this game anyway :)) Slavers. Gadgets - anyone CAN get ANY item in the game IF they work hard enough. Whether they swap megacyte for a Miner II, whether they ingratiate themselves with Techell, whether they wait until Tech III come out, when Tech II will probably be as common as much. Where's the problem? I really don't get all the whining on this, first people whine that everyone can make everything, which is bad, THEN they whine that only a few people have a few items. THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE!
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:38:00 - [24] Quote: Exactly. There is no miner II problem. Loads of people have them , including small corps (I know this because I am in one). The prices are not out of reach. People whined because everybody could get hold of a cruiser BP, now people whine because not everyone has a Miner II BP. The translated whine here is "hey some people are making a fortune out of Miner II BPs but I don't have one - how can that be fair?" Just step back and think about how to get your hands on the next big ticket blueprint. Lady Jaxx isnt in a corp Its noob char Please use your real char if you going to post who ever you are
Isla	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:40:00 - [25] My corp is only about 15 active players, and we share 4 miner II lasers between us. We place them in a hangar after use, and take it in turns to use them.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:42:00 - [26] Quote: Quote: When are CCP going to put pets in this game anyway :)) Slavers. Gadgets - anyone CAN get ANY item in the game IF they work hard enough. Whether they swap megacyte for a Miner II, whether they ingratiate themselves with Techell, whether they wait until Tech III come out, when Tech II will probably be as common as much. Where's the problem? I really don't get all the whining on this, first people whine that everyone can make everything, which is bad, THEN they whine that only a few people have a few items. THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE! Jesus Christ why cant you people read. Am i not making myself clear. YOU CANNOT GET A M2BP IN THE GAME UNLESS SOMEONE SELLS AN EXISTING ONE. Where did the EXISTING ones come from?? THEY WERE INTRODUCED INTO THE GAME.. Please read my other post i am sick of repeating myself
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:44:00 - [27] I'm listening, I just can't see the sense in what you're saying. You want them to be rare, but available? How available? 1 every 1,000 pirates is not rare enough. 1 every 10,000 may be getting closer. But to most people, that is way, way out of their range. Plus, the people with all the money now will still have a far better chance of getting one than average joe, due to having more ships/staff/money/etc. .
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:49:00 - [28] this is whaty i am saying I dont care how rare it is as long as it is proven to be available.. Believe me plenty of people will try to find them .. It is also a way of controlling the market by statistics . You can work out the probability of intorduction into markets by how rare they dicide to make the items. You will still get the Booms for new Rare Items(Blue prints is all im talkin about) But eventually someone else will find the item. It will still be rare.. a bit later another find.. Like i keep trying to point out its the fact that its impossible to get a copy of the BP if it were near impossible there would be no problem. And please understand i am not talking about the manufactured Miner 2 beam its the Blue print thats important.
Gunship	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:49:00 - [29] Gadgets, you make sense to me, I guess the others simpley don't want or are able to see your point of view. I guess Techhell will outfit all there members with BS (if they don't already fly the latest and best) and buy a couble of space stations when they come out. Question is did they have to work for it? Answer is no they just got themself a license to print money. I wonder how much they made by selling there stuff on e-bay. It would have been fine if they had a week or so as the only providers, but after a month+ it makes you wonder if it is worth continuing playing this game. CCP Petition!
Asmodia	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:56:00 - [30] Why this comes up again ... all day .... I make money with stuff same like Techell makes with the M2 and i have not monopol on this BPs. Could the Miners get more information about production before they whine here like Kindergarden Kids : 'I want this toy too ....' ------------------------------------------------ CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance ------------------------------------------------



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