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The Moor	Posted - 2003.09.24 23:14:00 - [1] Enough already. Handing the lone Miner II BP to a single corp (big one at that) by mistake or not really blows. One corp, makes close to 250mill in less than an hour because of this silver spoon treatment. CCP has created an artifical market which 1 corp benefits from. I think Techell is doing a rational job in the distribution of the Miner II's, but even they have to admit they have a sweet deal on this one. Time to even things up and put Miner I BP's on the NPC market (hopefully an infinite amount so they are not bought out in the 1st ten minutes.)
Telkanes Serkant	Posted - 2003.09.24 23:19:00 - [2] Oh FFS I dont see Everyone screaming at MS that they got Windows and no one else has..... U dont like it simple go get some CU's there is nothing you can do so shut up and put up acting like 5 year olds "Tammys got given a toy and I WANT ONE" Will not make any difference people get advantages for all we know in 3 weeks Techell may lose its advantage to someone else....or get screwed by someone who nicks it from them. JUST REALISE ITS A GAME. AND PLAY IT NOT SCREAM BECAUSE YOU AND YOUR CORP DONT HAVE ALL THE BENEFITS! -Telk I blame Mako Rad***
Gravedancer	Posted - 2003.09.24 23:27:00 - [3] Get your facts straight. There are multiple Miner II BPs in the game. Techell wasnt even the original owner of the Miner II bps. They bought their bp(s) from the people that got them in the event. There are at least a couple other corps out there that have BP's, but those other corps dont sell miner IIs outside their own corp, so they dont advertise that they have them. At least Techell is selling them to the general populace. As for your take on putting Miner II bps on the NPC market, I think that would be a GALACTICLY bad idea, and from what CCP has said, you might as well get used to the way the Miner II bps were distributed. Future new tech will likely be doled out the same way. You see, CCP intended the lvl 1 tech items to be readily accessible to everyone in EVE. Thats why the market was flooded with BP originals, and further flooded with bp copies. It drove prices down so nearly everyone in game can afford at least a low end cruiser by the time they've been in game a couple weeks. The higher tech items, they fully intended these to be harder or nearly impossible to obtain. They WANT players to have to really work to get those items. If they introduced more BPs in any way, ESPECIALLY by putting them on the NPC market, the market of miner IIs would be as flooded as every other market, and soon wed be right back to more *****ing and whining about how theres nothing to work towards in this game. So my suggestion to CCP... keep the BPs of high tech stuff low in number. Give out enough to ensure at least SOME competition for customers, but not enough to drive the market into the ground. Miner II's are fine the way they are. If you cant afford 3-5 mil for them, dont buy them. Same thing I said about CU vapors when they were outrageously priced. Whining about the unfairness of it all does noone any good, and just makes you look silly.
JAXX	Posted - 2003.09.24 23:51:00 - [4] Edited by: JAXX on 24/09/2003 23:51:42 Quote: Oh FFS I dont see Everyone screaming at MS that they got Windows and no one else has..... Terrible analogy, CCP didn't arbitrarily hand MS the source code for Windows. Sometimes to win, you have to fight just as mean and dirty as the other guy. Nobody will beat you challenging you to the field of honor for pistols at dawn. They have to slit your throat while you lay in bed, just like you'd do them. - Jash Illian
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.24 23:52:00 - [5] All this over a bloody mining laser. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
SkyLeach	Posted - 2003.09.25 00:17:00 - [6] Well, i have a way to make money out of this.. i could run a book on how many Miner II topics will get started on the forums each day
Artegg	Posted - 2003.09.25 01:33:00 - [7] Quote: Enough already. Handing the lone Miner II BP to a single corp (big one at that) by mistake or not really blows. One corp, makes close to 250mill in less than an hour because of this silver spoon treatment. CCP has created an artifical market which 1 corp benefits from. I think Techell is doing a rational job in the distribution of the Miner II's, but even they have to admit they have a sweet deal on this one. Time to even things up and put Miner I BP's on the NPC market (hopefully an infinite amount so they are not bought out in the 1st ten minutes.) GOD please will people stop these posts. PLEASE lock this tread for being boring. PS. The moor please do some research before you bother to post
ImEasy	Posted - 2003.09.25 01:34:00 - [8] Seriously, I couldnt care less who got the Miner II bp, or the copies thereof. Its the totally dull way CCP handed them out that gets me. An 'event' that was, to all intents and purposes, locked to the average player - SA territory. OR, the way they handed TTi (known CCP pet) 2 copies. This is the unfairness, nothing else. Dont care Tetchell are making billions, dont care they are the only suppliers of Miner II's on the market, dont care that silly players pay millions in isk or mega for said Miner II's. I do care that CCP dont really have a clue what to do with introducing Tech 2 gear. CCP- get a clue please, and get it quick, before you alienate everyone else not already alienated PS: Hi Moor! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Im Easy....work it out for yourself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Mjr Tom	Posted - 2003.09.25 02:09:00 - [9] Last time I checked the site rules, threads can get locked/deleted for being redundant. I suggest this happen to 90% of these minerII threads.
Rinekar	Posted - 2003.09.25 02:13:00 - [10] Quote: Enough already. Handing the lone Miner II BP to a single corp (big one at that) by mistake or not really blows. One corp, makes close to 250mill in less than an hour because of this silver spoon treatment. CCP has created an artifical market which 1 corp benefits from. I think Techell is doing a rational job in the distribution of the Miner II's, but even they have to admit they have a sweet deal on this one. Time to even things up and put Miner I BP's on the NPC market (hopefully an infinite amount so they are not bought out in the 1st ten minutes.) Uh, ok. So the manufacture market is cornered, but guess what they are dropping now from rats... Koensayr Drive Yards [KOEN] Website

Chucky	Posted - 2003.09.25 03:23:00 - [11] Edited by: Chucky on 25/09/2003 03:24:08 Yea, I've heared of 1 miner 2 dropping out 1000's kills. That will solve everything. But really the miner 2 BS isn't stopping me from having fun, it's the other 52 bugs that were released in the last patch. ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
CLONE 9	Posted - 2003.09.25 06:31:00 - [12] I like the way this has happened and I like the way it was dealt with. Polarises opinion - that leads to anger - anger leads to hate - hate leads to an arse whoopin - arse whoopin leads to war - war leads to corpses - corpses lead to cheap dog food. When are CCP going to put pets in this game anyway :))
rocknic2	Posted - 2003.09.25 06:33:00 - [13] Edited by: rocknic2 on 25/09/2003 06:33:31 aww the moors u wanna hug? no?, then sod off and go tell your mumma that the boys in the game dont play fair. -------------------------------------------- God obviously meant for me to be a n00b so here I am asking the n00b questions.
Cao Cao	Posted - 2003.09.25 07:09:00 - [14] Quote: Enough already. Handing the lone Miner II BP to a single corp (big one at that) by mistake or not really blows. One corp, makes close to 250mill in less than an hour because of this silver spoon treatment. CCP has created an artifical market which 1 corp benefits from. I think Techell is doing a rational job in the distribution of the Miner II's, but even they have to admit they have a sweet deal on this one. Time to even things up and put Miner I BP's on the NPC market (hopefully an infinite amount so they are not bought out in the 1st ten minutes.) You are obviously an idiot and don't know jack ** about what you are talking about. The way you suppose Techell got its blueprints are way off base and nowhere near the truth. Before coming here and posting your worthless trash why don't you try to find out what actually happened? But wait, you're a ***** idiot without a clue, like 99% of the communist carebears in this goddamn game...
Ashton Black	Posted - 2003.09.25 08:04:00 - [15] Mods... please delete or lock this drivel!!
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 08:30:00 - [16] HEHE The problem is that m2pb are not available in the game at all.. not if you kill a million npc. Tech are getting FAT and when new technology comes along they will be in a real good position to corner the market AGAIN. This is the nub.. Couldnt give a stuff how much Tech charge for the M2 what i care about is that there is no way i can get MY hands on a M2PB.. That sucks and in the long run will affect the economy. All you flamers beware i can tell you dont do a lot of mining .. When the uber ammo for your uber gun is made by tech and you know that the markup is 1000'% and there is no way you can play without the ammo (cos someone buys it right) you cant get it from anywhere else... Just ponder on that whilst avvin a laugh cos you arnt affected by m2 fiasco.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.09.25 09:49:00 - [17] The way I see it, Techell paid a lot of ISK for those blueprints, and despite this, they are selling them for less than anyone else. The other minerIIbp's are being used to make money on [auction site]. You should probably be glad Techell are as nice as they are.. And do your research. .
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:03:00 - [18] OK here is my research .. Can anymore M2 bp's be obtained in the eve univers.. NO Is that good enough for you. ANY PLAYER SHOULD WITH ENOUGH EFFORT BE ABLE TO OBTAIN ANY ITEM IN THE GAME. Its not a difficult concept. Please dont keep making the mistake that all these posts are annoyed purcahasers of m2's they arnt. They are people who think that the introduction of new technology into the game should be available to all not a select few. This isnt to hard for you to understand is it? The current situation is making Mega corps. Great OCP wants some mega corps .. This is not the way to do it .. Mega corps should be created because the corporation is run well and efficient. They will get rare items before others because of thier size and isk muscle. But thats the point the items are rare.. Sooner or later others will find them and that particular cow will be dead. On to the next. Not as it is now the cow is immortal.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:19:00 - [19] making these bps available to everyone will see the price for miner II's, and CU's/XeCL's drop to just over their recycle value. That will not make anyone rich, and is more likely to disappoint more people than it pleases. If people want MinerII BP's so they can make the 2.5M profit per item that techell get, then they're going to be in for a surprise. As soon as more than 3 people are selling on the market, the prices will be destroyed systematically, like we have seen with every other high ticket items in the game. Supply should be limited. You'd agree with me if you were one of only 4 people in the universe with an expanded cargohold II BP.... Or would you? Would you rather that the BP for this, which is probably worth over a billion gets dropped to 400k, because people are selling ECII's for mineral cost? Also, had you been in Techell's place, and spent 2 billion plus, how much would you be selling minerII's for? .
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:28:00 - [20] Your simply NOT listening are you. I want the feckin thing to be rare.... BUT AVAILABLE I couldnt give a gnats bolloc if it was so rare that it was a 1 in 1000 chance drop of a named pirate that spawns randonmly in any solar system once every week. At present its NOT AVAILABLE.. I couldnt give a monkies how much it sells for .. I dont care about the huge profits being made as long as the item can be obtained from the univers at some point by theoretically any player who is prepared to put the effort in. Sheesh dont you guys read anything. In game lets all be ruthless .. Fine. But lets not make it so that a select few are the only ones who get to play the ruthless part.

Lady Jaxx	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:29:00 - [21] Exactly. There is no miner II problem. Loads of people have them , including small corps (I know this because I am in one). The prices are not out of reach. People whined because everybody could get hold of a cruiser BP, now people whine because not everyone has a Miner II BP. The translated whine here is "hey some people are making a fortune out of Miner II BPs but I don't have one - how can that be fair?" Just step back and think about how to get your hands on the next big ticket blueprint. "University of Caille 0wnz 4ll j00 l4m3rz"
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:34:00 - [22] NO NO NO NO Please listen An item is rare if it is hard to find or get hold of from the eve univers. These items arnt rare.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:38:00 - [23] Quote: When are CCP going to put pets in this game anyway :)) Slavers. Gadgets - anyone CAN get ANY item in the game IF they work hard enough. Whether they swap megacyte for a Miner II, whether they ingratiate themselves with Techell, whether they wait until Tech III come out, when Tech II will probably be as common as much. Where's the problem? I really don't get all the whining on this, first people whine that everyone can make everything, which is bad, THEN they whine that only a few people have a few items. THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE!
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:38:00 - [24] Quote: Exactly. There is no miner II problem. Loads of people have them , including small corps (I know this because I am in one). The prices are not out of reach. People whined because everybody could get hold of a cruiser BP, now people whine because not everyone has a Miner II BP. The translated whine here is "hey some people are making a fortune out of Miner II BPs but I don't have one - how can that be fair?" Just step back and think about how to get your hands on the next big ticket blueprint. Lady Jaxx isnt in a corp Its noob char Please use your real char if you going to post who ever you are
Isla	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:40:00 - [25] My corp is only about 15 active players, and we share 4 miner II lasers between us. We place them in a hangar after use, and take it in turns to use them.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:42:00 - [26] Quote: Quote: When are CCP going to put pets in this game anyway :)) Slavers. Gadgets - anyone CAN get ANY item in the game IF they work hard enough. Whether they swap megacyte for a Miner II, whether they ingratiate themselves with Techell, whether they wait until Tech III come out, when Tech II will probably be as common as much. Where's the problem? I really don't get all the whining on this, first people whine that everyone can make everything, which is bad, THEN they whine that only a few people have a few items. THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE! Jesus Christ why cant you people read. Am i not making myself clear. YOU CANNOT GET A M2BP IN THE GAME UNLESS SOMEONE SELLS AN EXISTING ONE. Where did the EXISTING ones come from?? THEY WERE INTRODUCED INTO THE GAME.. Please read my other post i am sick of repeating myself
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:44:00 - [27] I'm listening, I just can't see the sense in what you're saying. You want them to be rare, but available? How available? 1 every 1,000 pirates is not rare enough. 1 every 10,000 may be getting closer. But to most people, that is way, way out of their range. Plus, the people with all the money now will still have a far better chance of getting one than average joe, due to having more ships/staff/money/etc. .
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:49:00 - [28] this is whaty i am saying I dont care how rare it is as long as it is proven to be available.. Believe me plenty of people will try to find them .. It is also a way of controlling the market by statistics . You can work out the probability of intorduction into markets by how rare they dicide to make the items. You will still get the Booms for new Rare Items(Blue prints is all im talkin about) But eventually someone else will find the item. It will still be rare.. a bit later another find.. Like i keep trying to point out its the fact that its impossible to get a copy of the BP if it were near impossible there would be no problem. And please understand i am not talking about the manufactured Miner 2 beam its the Blue print thats important.
Gunship	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:49:00 - [29] Gadgets, you make sense to me, I guess the others simpley don't want or are able to see your point of view. I guess Techhell will outfit all there members with BS (if they don't already fly the latest and best) and buy a couble of space stations when they come out. Question is did they have to work for it? Answer is no they just got themself a license to print money. I wonder how much they made by selling there stuff on e-bay. It would have been fine if they had a week or so as the only providers, but after a month+ it makes you wonder if it is worth continuing playing this game. CCP Petition!
Asmodia	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:56:00 - [30] Why this comes up again ... all day .... I make money with stuff same like Techell makes with the M2 and i have not monopol on this BPs. Could the Miners get more information about production before they whine here like Kindergarden Kids : 'I want this toy too ....' ------------------------------------------------ CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance ------------------------------------------------

drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.09.25 10:56:00 - [31] Quote: Gadgets, you make sense to me, I guess the others simpley don't want or are able to see your point of view. I guess Techhell will outfit all there members with BS (if they don't already fly the latest and best) and buy a couble of space stations when they come out. Question is did they have to work for it? Answer is no they just got themself a license to print money. I wonder how much they made by selling there stuff on e-bay. It would have been fine if they had a week or so as the only providers, but after a month+ it makes you wonder if it is worth continuing playing this game. They paid over 2 billion for those BP's. They didn't make that 2 billion by selling miner II's, so I'm guessing they did some work for it. .
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 11:07:00 - [32] Quote: Quote: Gadgets, you make sense to me, I guess the others simpley don't want or are able to see your point of view. I guess Techhell will outfit all there members with BS (if they don't already fly the latest and best) and buy a couble of space stations when they come out. Question is did they have to work for it? Answer is no they just got themself a license to print money. I wonder how much they made by selling there stuff on e-bay. It would have been fine if they had a week or so as the only providers, but after a month+ it makes you wonder if it is worth continuing playing this game. They paid over 2 billion for those BP's. They didn't make that 2 billion by selling miner II's, so I'm guessing they did some work for it. Fine and dandy. So whats that got to do with this. Absolutly nothing is what. This has nothing directly to do with Tech it has to do with how the univers ticks and if its going to tick like this then all the little guys will stay little forever, No im telling lies. Someone somewhere will decide who gets what and when .. Controlled you might say .. This sort of controll is too much .. the controll should be left to chance. PLayers have to feel they have got lucky.. and more importantly other players have to also feel that player got lucky. If that player sells his "find" for 2 billion thats his choice. The fact that someone else could find that item (or research it-or backward engineer) is what is called spice and will add huge benifits to the universe. At the moment the only spice is .. well there isnt any. A huge part of this universe for a lot of players was the ability to find/research/backward engineer things that could make the rich. This method is stale and does not work.
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2003.09.25 11:17:00 - [33] The only problem with the Miner II stuff isn't that only a handful of corps have them is that they are the only uber-money making BP around at the moment. CCP should introduce dozens, if not hundreds, of rare BPs at once - of different types. Some through the market, some through reverse engineering, some through HARD and rare pirate drops, some through events, some from agents, etc. The skills required to use these BPs should also be high enough so that one character (or his alts) can't make effective use of more than one or two of them. The Miner IIs is how the market should work, high risk (in this case spending megabucks when CCP could drop them on the market the next day) and high rewards. What's wrong is that they're the only item that works like this - just look at the prices for everything else, slightly above mineral costs in almost all cases. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 11:30:00 - [34] Excellent Solution. But the nice fat corps can now spend a lot of money on these things. The damage you might say has allready been done. If there are just a finite set of bp for an item available in the Eve Universe then the solution you descibe should work . as long as it is consistant with new items added on a regular basis. OPPS this will lead to hundreds of "Rare" items. The solution is as i have described countless time .. the items need to be available to all IF you put the work in .. Those are the rules.. If i knew it was going to take statistly 3 weeks to get an item .. thats its rarity value. When the market stabalises it doesnt mean the items will be sold fo a few isk over cost .. Thats cos all items were EASILY available. I say all items should just be available. They shouldnt be easy to get nor should they be impossible .. somewhere inbetween. In 1 months lets say 4 other corps have the m2 bp but they dont have the resources of some of the existing corps.. Theyt sell thiers for a 50% markup .. but they cannot produce enough. People will still buy m2's for 2-5 mil cos they cant be arsed waiting or travelling. Some bright spark will buy shed loads of them so he can produce them all the time and allways have a stock (tech) so what .. Now i have said enough. I have made my points. I am done this is a wast of time.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.25 12:09:00 - [35] "As for your take on putting Miner II bps on the NPC market, I think that would be a GALACTICLY bad idea, and from what CCP has said, you might as well get used to the way the Miner II bps were distributed. Future new tech will likely be doled out the same way" One of the big reasons I cancelled my subscription. "Trust No One"
Lady Jaxx	Posted - 2003.09.25 13:41:00 - [36] Quote: Lady Jaxx isnt in a corp Its noob char Please use your real char if you going to post who ever you are No. I use one character as my avatar on the forums and another character in the game. You can address my comment or ignore it as you choose without knowing my 'real' identity any more than I know anything about yours. "University of Caille 0wnz 4ll j00 l4m3rz"
Arthur Eld	Posted - 2003.09.25 14:09:00 - [37] My question is why are the other corps with Miner II BP's not doing the same thing Techell is? Don't they see the enormous profits they are making? Don't they think that if they started releasing their miner II's on the market that they could cut into Techell's market and start making loads of isk for themselves? Techell only has a monoply on the miner II's because the other corps with miner II's aren't selling them. What needs to happen for miner II's to become more mainstream and thus less expensive is some price competition between the corps with miner II's. Eventually the market supply will start to catch up to market demand and the prices will come down anyway. ____________________ First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire. We deal in lead.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.09.25 14:57:00 - [38] Quote: My question is why are the other corps with Miner II BP's not doing the same thing Techell is? Don't they see the enormous profits they are making? Don't they think that if they started releasing their miner II's on the market that they could cut into Techell's market and start making loads of isk for themselves? Techell only has a monoply on the miner II's because the other corps with miner II's aren't selling them. What needs to happen for miner II's to become more mainstream and thus less expensive is some price competition between the corps with miner II's. Eventually the market supply will start to catch up to market demand and the prices will come down anyway. Techell make ISK The others are making $USD* *either that, or they don't want to be singled out as CCP-favourites/TTi-alts/Evil people/etc, and are selling them privately. .
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.25 15:04:00 - [39] Quote: Techell make ISK The others are making $USD* either that, or they don't want to be singled out as CCP-favourites/TTi-alts/Evil people/etc, and are selling them privately. Well we could always ask Everlasting Vendetta what they did with their bp copy. One of their members bragged in local about looting one from the Jovians... I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Cao Cao	Posted - 2003.09.25 16:25:00 - [40] Edited by: Cao Cao on 25/09/2003 16:32:11 Gadgets, I'm so glad that nobody listens to morons like you. Holy **. Get a *** CLUE. There is a price tag for everything: you want the damn miner 2 blueprint, raise 2 billion isk and perhaps you will be able to buy it. How many people have license to make money from licensing and selling Microsoft Windows? ONE. And that's Microsoft Corp. Like I said earlier, *** looter communists that want everything given to them. OHHH it isn't FAIR that other people are making money! It isn't FAIR that they organized themselves and worked their asses off to own every battleship BP in the game. It isn't FAIR that when the miner2 blueprints were introduced, they had the money to pay the price people demanded for them.** SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP. You're nothing but a little girlie crybaby. I can't bear to read the trash you write Gadgets. Pick up a copy of Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and you will find out EXACTLY WHY Taggart Transdimentional was the most successful corp in EVE for a long long time. Their business model (and corp name) is based on that book.

Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.25 17:04:00 - [41] Quote: Edited by: Cao Cao on 25/09/2003 16:32:11 Gadgets, I'm so glad that nobody listens to morons like you. Holy **. Get a *** CLUE. There is a price tag for everything: you want the damn miner 2 blueprint, raise 2 billion isk and perhaps you will be able to buy it. How many people have license to make money from licensing and selling Microsoft Windows? ONE. And that's Microsoft Corp. Like I said earlier, *** looter communists that want everything given to them. OHHH it isn't FAIR that other people are making money! It isn't FAIR that they organized themselves and worked their asses off to own every battleship BP in the game. It isn't FAIR that when the miner2 blueprints were introduced, they had the money to pay the price people demanded for them. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP. You're nothing but a little girlie crybaby. I can't bear to read the trash you write Gadgets. Pick up a copy of Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and you will find out EXACTLY WHY Taggart Transdimentional was the most successful corp in EVE for a long long time. Their business model (and corp name) is based on that book. Very eloquent. What exactly is your point. Why dont you read alice in wonderland ?? Will it have any bearing on your perceptions of the eve universe? What the hell has Taggart Transdimentional got to do with anything If it pains you dont read anything i write.. Dont read it i would hate to cause you pian. It is apparent that you havent read what i have written anyway. Why dont you try again. Read my posts argue the points OR SHUT THE ** UP YOU IGNORANT MORON
Jorev	Posted - 2003.09.25 17:17:00 - [42] Quote: Quote: Lady Jaxx isnt in a corp Its noob char Please use your real char if you going to post who ever you are No. I use one character as my avatar on the forums and another character in the game. You can address my comment or ignore it as you choose without knowing my 'real' identity any more than I know anything about yours. People who use alts to post are either cowards because they don't want to risk being in the minority opinion, or they are being devious because knowledge of their real identity would negate the validity of the opinions they are spouting. You will be ignored until you grow a pair and stop hiding.
Lady Jaxx	Posted - 2003.09.25 17:56:00 - [43] Quote: people who use alts to post are either cowards because they don't want to risk being in the minority opinion, or they are being devious because knowledge of their real identity would negate the validity of the opinions they are spouting. You will be ignored until you grow a pair and stop hiding. sigh Sets autopilot for offtopic Well why don't you follow your own advice and ignore me then, while I continue to talk to people who can separate the concept of an idea from its originator's identity, appearance and favourite flavour of ice cream? "University of Caille 0wnz 4ll j00 l4m3rz"*
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.30 23:06:00 - [44] Boing
Lysithea	Posted - 2003.10.01 00:17:00 - [45] Edited by: Lysithea on 01/10/2003 00:19:01 So where in hell is RESEARCH and REVERSE ENGINEERING so we can turn "old" BPs and items we have discovered into "new" BPs? If CCP wants to seed the universe with new stuff, fine. But don't close the door on a part of the game we have all been waiting for. I had hopes of being a research scientist in EVE... I was sold on the idea that I could research current BPs and rare equipment and turn them into better technology. I'm beginning to think I was misled. Where is the Consumer Protection Agency and the Better Business Bureau when you need them. False advertising!
Blacklight	Posted - 2003.10.01 02:22:00 - [46] Don't get the issue with Miner 2's, we're only a 21 strong corp, not all in BS and not rich by any means... we've 15 miner 2's between us (owned by 2 but shared by all when needed). So are they readily available? Yes if you make the effort. Can you get a bp or bpc? Nope but why should you? It's new tech and should be rarer than rare, which it is! There is probably an arguement that the introduction of new tech bp's should be split between events, to raise some interest and random drops, to make them theoretically available to all. That's just a suggestion for a mild improvement on the introduction of rare tech, I've not really got a serious problem with the way stuff is introduced now though. Eve Blacklight Style
Phoebe	Posted - 2003.10.01 02:52:00 - [47] I can not understand this constant whining. Think the people it will change something ? Has everyone a EPS gaussian ? NO ! Has everyone a Xcel drilling beam ? NO ! Why ppl want the best mining laser for all and maybe for free? put them in the starter ship ? Many corps make their money with selling loot. If the miner 2 would be avaible for a production price they have no chance to sell one of their mining lasers. Techell has the monopol. where is the problem . they paid billions of isk for the BPs and if you doesnt like that Techell makes money doesnt buy the miners2 not. But Techell has no problem to sell them . So only a small group of alt char are crying here around and try to make game politic.
Sarae	Posted - 2003.10.01 04:33:00 - [48] I think some of you are missing the point. The problem isn't necessarily that only a select few corps have Miner II BPs. The problem is that there is currently no way any other corp can compete with them at all in that market. In the real world, if a company has a monopoly on the market, other companies can dedicate resources to engineering a better product to compete with them. That option does not exist in EVE. Techell (and others) have a BP that nobody anywhere else can obtain by any means. There is a big, big difference between exclusive ownership of a select few BPs, and wide distribution to everyone. I don't think anyone realistically suggests that Miner II's should just be on the NPC market. But if I want my to take my corp and dedicate all my time and resources towards researching and engineering a competing product, I should be able to do that. There should be SOME way to compete. Not necessarily an easy way, but a way. I think that is all people are asking for.
Datsevlu	Posted - 2003.10.01 05:45:00 - [49] If you are going to post that we have a monopoly get your facts straight fist of all. There are at least 4 other unlimited bpc's out there that I know of. That would not be considered a monopoly. There are others out there that can compete if they want they choose not to or choose to sell as alt's for a higher price. We happen to be the ones in the lime light becuase we were also a Large Battleship producer before we obtained these BPC's. I will agree with there needs to be some reverse eng and more research in the game. Just my 2 cents. -- Datsevlu Blow'em up we'll build more. Techell's ingame site
Gaijin Lanis	Posted - 2003.10.01 06:29:00 - [50] Quote: Edited by: JAXX on 24/09/2003 23:51:42 Quote: Oh FFS I dont see Everyone screaming at MS that they got Windows and no one else has..... Terrible analogy, CCP didn't arbitrarily hand MS the source code for Windows. yea, xerox did.

NymphoGrrrl	Posted - 2003.10.01 07:27:00 - [51] Quote: I can not understand this constant whining. Think the people it will change something ? what are you trying to say? grammer check please Quote: Has everyone a EPS gaussian ? NO ! Has everyone a Xcel drilling beam ? NO ! nope, not all, at least this made some sense. Quote: Why ppl want the best mining laser for all and maybe for free? put them in the starter ship ? heh, not even worth a chuckle if that was ment to be sarcasm Quote: Many corps make their money with selling loot. If the miner 2 would be avaible for a production price they have no chance to sell one of their mining lasers. what is she trying to say, can someone translate this into ENGLISH? Quote: Techell has the monopol. where is the problem . they paid billions of isk for the BPs and if you doesnt like that Techell makes money doesnt buy the miners2 not. ok, lost me there again, I have 3 differnt degree's and this makes no sense(maybe its just to late to be reading this thread) Quote: But Techell has no problem to sell them . So only a small group of alt char are crying here around and try to make game politic. politic?? People complain (whine as you call it I think) due to the unjust, and unfair distribution method of the BP's in questine, not WHO has them. Please use a proof reader next time you post so people can understand your point. Not sure if you are trolling, defending, or whining, hell, you could honestly be attempting to write in english and just don't know how. Not being offensive, just puzzled while trying to understand some of your post.
Elynsynos	Posted - 2003.10.01 09:00:00 - [52] Quote: OK here is my research .. ANY PLAYER SHOULD WITH ENOUGH EFFORT BE ABLE TO OBTAIN ANY ITEM IN THE GAME. What an utterly stupid statement. Are you telling me you think there should be no rare and unique items in the universe that are limited in number. I like the fact that there are limited numbers of high tech items in this universe. I just hate the lack luster way they were distributed in this case.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.10.01 09:07:00 - [53] I can't believe gadjets bumped this POS thread. it's not going anywhere. Not that it ever was, mind you.. If I pay 10 million for a blueprint, I would like, and expect to be able to not only get that 10 million back, but also to make a hell of a lot more, once my initial spend had been retrieved. So, if techell spend 2 billion on these BP's I would expect them to get that money back, and also, make a hell of a lot more. To the naysayers: If you had 2 billion ISK, would you take the risk on buying BP's, knowing that they are not the only ones out there? One of the other BPC owners could have cost techell many millions of ISK, simply by selling them at 500k each. Techell would have to sell several thousand to even get any ROI. But they didn't. And that's not Techell's fault. Personally, I see them as the 'good guys' in this situation. They are selling in-game, rather than on e-bay. Their prices are fairly good (if you consider CU vaps cost 2M (or they did when I sold 20-odd before this fiasco)). They earnt their money in-game, by manufacturing things that the players want (cruisers, battleships). And yet people still see fit to talk **** about them, because they used their hard earned money to buy into a huge risk/huge reward scenario. I shudder to think how the moaners in this thread would have handled the situation... .
Presidio	Posted - 2003.10.01 09:11:00 - [54] Quote: I can't believe gadjets bumped this POS thread. it's not going anywhere. Not that it ever was, mind you.. If I pay 10 million for a blueprint, I would like, and expect to be able to not only get that 10 million back, but also to make a hell of a lot more, once my initial spend had been retrieved. So, if techell spend 2 billion on these BP's I would expect them to get that money back, and also, make a hell of a lot more. To the naysayers: If you had 2 billion ISK, would you take the risk on buying BP's, knowing that they are not the only ones out there? One of the other BPC owners could have cost techell many millions of ISK, simply by selling them at 500k each. Techell would have to sell several thousand to even get any ROI. But they didn't. And that's not Techell's fault. Personally, I see them as the 'good guys' in this situation. They are selling in-game, rather than on e-bay. Their prices are fairly good (if you consider CU vaps cost 2M (or they did when I sold 20-odd before this fiasco)). They earnt their money in-game, by manufacturing things that the players want (cruisers, battleships). And yet people still see fit to talk **** about them, because they used their hard earned money to buy into a huge risk/huge reward scenario. I shudder to think how the moaners in this thread would have handled the situation... I agree 100%. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Phoebe	Posted - 2003.10.01 10:50:00 - [55] Quote: Quote: I can not understand this constant whining. Think the people it will change something ? what are you trying to say? grammer check please Quote: Has everyone a EPS gaussian ? NO ! Has everyone a Xcel drilling beam ? NO ! nope, not all, at least this made some sense. Quote: Why ppl want the best mining laser for all and maybe for free? put them in the starter ship ? heh, not even worth a chuckle if that was ment to be sarcasm Quote: Many corps make their money with selling loot. If the miner 2 would be avaible for a production price they have no chance to sell one of their mining lasers. what is she trying to say, can someone translate this into ENGLISH? Quote: Techell has the monopol. where is the problem . they paid billions of isk for the BPs and if you doesnt like that Techell makes money doesnt buy the miners2 not. ok, lost me there again, I have 3 differnt degree's and this makes no sense(maybe its just to late to be reading this thread) Quote: But Techell has no problem to sell them . So only a small group of alt char are crying here around and try to make game politic. politic?? People complain (whine as you call it I think) due to the unjust, and unfair distribution method of the BP's in questine, not WHO has them. Please use a proof reader next time you post so people can understand your point. Not sure if you are trolling, defending, or whining, hell, you could honestly be attempting to write in english and just don't know how. Not being offensive, just puzzled while trying to understand some of your post. Like this alt char tactic. If you have a problem with my arguments, better stay out of this.
Voss Matsu	Posted - 2003.10.01 12:07:00 - [56] To say that every single item should be available to every single person in the game isn't a good idea, especially when talking about Blueprints. If EVERYONE can get their hands on rare blueprints, I'd hate to see the market for manufactured items... There would only be a need for a Blueprint Market. Look at it this way, one of the main issues with the WTO at the minute is the distribution of medicenes to poor countries. Companies spend a mountain of money to obtain the licence for the drug (ie techell paying 2Billion for the BP), so the drug company then owns the drug, as well as its make up. No other companies can re-create the drugs to sell at a cheaper price, simply because one company has the licence, and therefore can charge whatever they like. The only thing which can be done here is the research/reverse engineering aspect of the game. So if you like, we can have no new items introduced untill these features start to work, which could be months away for all we know. Heh, and then it's 100 threads about no new content. Like it's been stated earlier in the thread, others out there have the Miner 2 BP, but they choose not to sell to the public which is fair enough. Theres no shortage of miner 2's out there, i reckon I've bought 10-15 in the last couple of days. Just my 2 cents.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.10.01 12:17:00 - [57] There are 2 issues. Please try to digest them before scrawling whines about whiners. 1.The way the technology was introduced cannot be the standard. 2.Tech is now in a position to dominate the market. This includes new technology however it is introduced. Is that simple enough. And to the dimwit Yes i do mean all technology should be available to all IF they put the hurclean effort in to get it. Do you see? I dont want techno elves giving new technology away at any station. I want to know that i can loot something that makes a m2 look like a toothpick. I can keep it or sell it but i cant reproduce it. I want to know that if Billy has a rattle cos he asked nicley i can have one too.
Voss Matsu	Posted - 2003.10.01 12:20:00 - [58] Not everyone can have everything, that's what separates the rich from the poor... GET OVER IT
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.10.01 12:26:00 - [59] Quote: Not everyone can have everything, that's what separates the rich from the poor... GET OVER IT I think youll find its a question of timing.
Voss Matsu	Posted - 2003.10.01 12:32:00 - [60] Sorry, got abit heated there, my bad. Anyway, I thought my analogy about the medicine licences wasnt a bad one. They invest heaps in research or in buying the licence, then they own it and are free to charge what they wish. Research doesn't work in EVE so we dont inject any new items? A corp payed a massive amount for the item, now they own it. We shuld be getting on the backs od the other corps that own the BPs to share them round.



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