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Crasniya Strange Energy The Bastion 538	Posted - 2014.09.17 21:32:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Guard wrote: What we're focusing on now is to make a kick-ass VR-only dogfighting game. Only when we've achieved that goal will we think of ways to possibly merge games. It's fun to think about the possibilities but its not our focus at the moment. This is a huge mistake. The biggest mistake made with DUST, was that the entire Reykjavik team wasn't focused on integrating it for the expansion cycle where it released. I fear this mentality will lead to even more poor links in the future.
Crasniya Strange Energy The Bastion 540	Posted - 2014.09.19 14:46:00 - [2] - Quote DaReaper, it would've done the same on PC. The mistakes it made were not respective of the platform, and EVE players are not numerous enough to make a difference. If it had a stronger link, people between both communities would've interacted heavily. The idea that it would've been better if it was just the same people playing on both games is dumb. They have all the tech. The tech is there. Reykjavik isn't putting enough effort into it. Had CCP dedicated a EVE expansion cycle to implementing DUST integration, DUST would be twice the (actually very solid) game it is today, and EVE Online would have a lot more content to work with, and a much larger social interaction base. Examples: The API exists. You can actually log into the EVE site with a DUST account. But no work was done to allow DUST characters to get API keys or use API features. The EVE Gate exists. You can actually log into the EVE site with a DUST account. But DUST accounts are not able to use the EVE Gate for in-game mail or to look up employment histories of other players. No UI was ever placed in EVE to show territorial control of Planetary Conquest districts. No UI was ever placed in EVE to show progress of fights in districts you were orbiting. No UI was ever placed in EVE to show additional details about DUST players other than their employment history. No UI was ever placed in EVE to show DUST corporation wallet ISK. Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - [email protected]
Crasniya Strange Energy The Bastion 552	Posted - 2014.09.19 14:46:39 - [3] - Quote DaReaper, it would've done the same on PC. The mistakes it made were not respective of the platform, and EVE players are not numerous enough to make a difference. If it had a stronger link, people between both communities would've interacted heavily. The idea that it would've been better if it was just the same people playing on both games is dumb. They have all the tech. The tech is there. Reykjavik isn't putting enough effort into it. Had CCP dedicated a EVE expansion cycle to implementing DUST integration, DUST would be twice the (actually very solid) game it is today, and EVE Online would have a lot more content to work with, and a much larger social interaction base. Examples: The API exists. You can actually log into the EVE site with a DUST account. But no work was done to allow DUST characters to get API keys or use API features. The EVE Gate exists. You can actually log into the EVE site with a DUST account. But DUST accounts are not able to use the EVE Gate for in-game mail or to look up employment histories of other players. No UI was ever placed in EVE to show territorial control of Planetary Conquest districts. No UI was ever placed in EVE to show progress of fights in districts you were orbiting. No UI was ever placed in EVE to show additional details about DUST players other than their employment history. No UI was ever placed in EVE to show DUST corporation wallet ISK. Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - [email protected]
Crasniya Strange Energy The Bastion 541	Posted - 2014.09.19 20:46:00 - [4] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Saying it was for ps3 pissed off a lot of eve players Largely irrelevant. Veteran EVE players and their dumb opinions are probably killing EVE. They have entitlement issues that believe everything CCP does has to be "for them". (Find any number of posts where EVE players demand that "their money" they paid to CCP shouldn't be used for another CCP project. Hint: It's not their money anymore. It's CCP's money.) For doing an FPS, as much as I personally hate FPSes on consoles, console was the right choice. The fact that they screwed it up royally is a separate matter. EVE players should be a nearly inconsequential number of DUST/Legion players. Legion will surely have a larger overlap than DUST has, and I'd actually say that's a bad thing. CCP needs new customers. They aren't going to get them until they start ignoring veteran EVE players. Because the veterans will be angry either way, it's what bitter vets do. You can't make them happy. So stop trying to. The goal of a game link shouldn't be for a single player to benefit by playing both games. A lot of existing players want to think that way, but it's a Bad Thought. Ideally, each game should have it's own community, and the method of linking them should cause those communities to interact and transact business across. The content for EVE players in a DUST or Legion or Valkyrie link shouldn't be "I can play both" even though they can. The content should be the new mechanics in which they interact with people between games. Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - [email protected]
Crasniya Strange Energy The Bastion 552	Posted - 2014.09.19 20:46:04 - [5] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Saying it was for ps3 pissed off a lot of eve players Largely irrelevant. Veteran EVE players and their dumb opinions are probably killing EVE. They have entitlement issues that believe everything CCP does has to be "for them". (Find any number of posts where EVE players demand that "their money" they paid to CCP shouldn't be used for another CCP project. Hint: It's not their money anymore. It's CCP's money.) For doing an FPS, as much as I personally hate FPSes on consoles, console was the right choice. The fact that they screwed it up royally is a separate matter. EVE players should be a nearly inconsequential number of DUST/Legion players. Legion will surely have a larger overlap than DUST has, and I'd actually say that's a bad thing. CCP needs new customers. They aren't going to get them until they start ignoring veteran EVE players. Because the veterans will be angry either way, it's what bitter vets do. You can't make them happy. So stop trying to. The goal of a game link shouldn't be for a single player to benefit by playing both games. A lot of existing players want to think that way, but it's a Bad Thought. Ideally, each game should have it's own community, and the method of linking them should cause those communities to interact and transact business across. The content for EVE players in a DUST or Legion or Valkyrie link shouldn't be "I can play both" even though they can. The content should be the new mechanics in which they interact with people between games. Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - [email protected]

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