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Zimmy Zeta Battle Force Industries 44	Posted - 2011.11.18 14:12:00 - [61] - Quote Rykuss wrote: -wall of text - Hey, I am not your enemy here. I, too, think that mining should be worthwhile and already said that several times. But cutting off 74% of your vital supplies (still don't know if this number is correct) before you have any feasible idea how to compensate for that is just utter madness.
Acac Sunflyier Burning Star L.L.C. 27	Posted - 2011.11.18 15:50:00 - [62] - Quote David Grogan wrote: Acac Sunflyier wrote: You know, I think the drones should be left alone. Yeah they don't give isk, they give alloys. So, it doesn't make the alliance isk rich by ratting directly, but it ups their production capabilities. And, if they want good isk, they can just export them to high sec to sell. Putting a bounty on the drones just devalues the isk even more and causes a rise in inflation even more. The thing about the drone regions is that they're not creating too much new isk like, say for example, fountain. the problem is drones completely devalue the mining industry... give them a bounty and the occasional augmented Or integrated or harvestor drone and mining laser and ice mining laser upgrades as loot drops. No bots do it more. Besides, I'd rather have minerals remain as they are than devalue the isk at a faster rate than already.
Rellik B00n Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage 17	Posted - 2011.11.18 16:06:00 - [63] - Quote +1 for removing drone poop and replacing with bounties. also, some of the reasons ive seen against doing this in this very thread are actually supporting it! eg: "pvpers will not be happy when they have to pay double for their ships and mods" - guess what? That makes killing ships and looting them worth something again. If your ship is worth twice as much there is twice the buzz to a fight. and so on..
Sirius Cassiopeiae Perkone Caldari State 51	Posted - 2011.11.18 17:22:00 - [64] - Quote Acac Sunflyier wrote: David Grogan wrote: Acac Sunflyier wrote: You know, I think the drones should be left alone. Yeah they don't give isk, they give alloys. So, it doesn't make the alliance isk rich by ratting directly, but it ups their production capabilities. And, if they want good isk, they can just export them to high sec to sell. Putting a bounty on the drones just devalues the isk even more and causes a rise in inflation even more. The thing about the drone regions is that they're not creating too much new isk like, say for example, fountain. the problem is drones completely devalue the mining industry... give them a bounty and the occasional augmented Or integrated or harvestor drone and mining laser and ice mining laser upgrades as loot drops. No bots do it more. Besides, I'd rather have minerals remain as they are than devalue the isk at a faster rate than already. Yea, bots that are grinding drones do ti the most!!! Why do you think that much of minerals are from drones? The most of bots are there... Removing mineral drops from drones will solve the biggest part of botting problem and mineral devaluation because of it...
bornaa GRiD. 56	Posted - 2011.11.18 21:45:00 - [65] - Quote Acac Sunflyier wrote: David Grogan wrote: Acac Sunflyier wrote: You know, I think the drones should be left alone. Yeah they don't give isk, they give alloys. So, it doesn't make the alliance isk rich by ratting directly, but it ups their production capabilities. And, if they want good isk, they can just export them to high sec to sell. Putting a bounty on the drones just devalues the isk even more and causes a rise in inflation even more. The thing about the drone regions is that they're not creating too much new isk like, say for example, fountain. the problem is drones completely devalue the mining industry... give them a bounty and the occasional augmented Or integrated or harvestor drone and mining laser and ice mining laser upgrades as loot drops. No bots do it more. Besides, I'd rather have minerals remain as they are than devalue the isk at a faster rate than already. Just say it straight... I don't give a **** about no one, nor EVE itself, but myself... And yea... we know...
Rykuss Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2011.11.18 23:04:00 - [66] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Rykuss wrote: -wall of text - Hey, I am not your enemy here. I, too, think that mining should be worthwhile and already said that several times. But cutting off 74% of your vital supplies (still don't know if this number is correct) before you have any feasible idea how to compensate for that is just utter madness. The only thing that makes us enemies is your inability to accept that someone could have an opinion that differs from your own on the subject. Compensate for what exactly? Do you want to make mining more "interesting" and offer yet another alternative to aquiring minerals? If so, what would be the point? Those vital supplies are there, have been there and will always be there. Your assessment that "the sky is falling" is utter madness. Since my responses have been longer than five words, which you seem to have a problem with, I'll sum up. You: "Stuff will cost more!" Me: "So?" Can I have your vindicator?
Sezdro Shiny Toy Guns STR8NGE BREW 0	Posted - 2011.11.19 00:24:00 - [67] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Razin wrote: Nothing wrong with a simplistic opinion. Adds variety. Better a simple solution that gets things done then a unique one that has negative effects. There is a reason were flying around in 747's instead of really cool Zeppelins. There is no Reason a Raven should be able to out mine a Hulk. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I could of swore it took more skill points to kill rats/drones than sit around and watch your strip miners extract minerals. I don't use a Raven, but I do solo drone patrols in a battleship for a decent bit of cash, and it took me a lot longer to get to that point than it would to train for a Hulk.
Rykuss Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2011.11.19 02:06:00 - [68] - Quote Sezdro wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: Razin wrote: Nothing wrong with a simplistic opinion. Adds variety. Better a simple solution that gets things done then a unique one that has negative effects. There is a reason were flying around in 747's instead of really cool Zeppelins. There is no Reason a Raven should be able to out mine a Hulk. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I could of swore it took more skill points to kill rats/drones than sit around and watch your strip miners extract minerals. I don't use a Raven, but I do solo drone patrols in a battleship for a decent bit of cash, and it took me a lot longer to get to that point than it would to train for a Hulk. No, it didn't. Even remapped INT/MEM you can get a BS up and running faster than a hulk. Unless of course, you think you need large[insert specialisation of weapon V here] with all the bells and whistles. Why is it, do you suppose, that people go that route in the first place? Hmmm? It isn't just because they hate mining, although that's part of the reason. Can I have your vindicator?
Sezdro Shiny Toy Guns STR8NGE BREW 0	Posted - 2011.11.19 03:06:00 - [69] - Quote Rykuss wrote: Sezdro wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: Razin wrote: Nothing wrong with a simplistic opinion. Adds variety. Better a simple solution that gets things done then a unique one that has negative effects. There is a reason were flying around in 747's instead of really cool Zeppelins. There is no Reason a Raven should be able to out mine a Hulk. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I could of swore it took more skill points to kill rats/drones than sit around and watch your strip miners extract minerals. I don't use a Raven, but I do solo drone patrols in a battleship for a decent bit of cash, and it took me a lot longer to get to that point than it would to train for a Hulk. No, it didn't. Even remapped INT/MEM you can get a BS up and running faster than a hulk. Unless of course, you think you need large[insert specialisation of weapon V here] with all the bells and whistles. Why is it, do you suppose, that people go that route in the first place? Hmmm? It isn't just because they hate mining, although that's part of the reason. ALL the bells and whistles, no, but just bare-bones requirements to use a BS would have you making less money through alloys than a hulk pilot through mining. Believe me, I was one of those bare-bones pilots for a bit. Also, I figured people would tend to take their career in a more combat-oriented path rather than mining because it really is boring (although I could take some enjoyment in being productive in some way through mining), and because combat serves more purpose than just money-making. (I only have 1 account, so I decided to just go for combat on this one character rather than getting mining and then combat.)
rodyas The Scope Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2011.11.19 10:22:00 - [70] - Quote I was also thinking how the market has no reflection sometimes of the drones existing. Well just remembered the mineral contribution to the market drones have. But they have no modules that drop, like officer or faction ones. ie rogue tracking enhancer or such. Maybe drones could be given a new mineral drop that is like worth million is to make up for that. Or an officer version spawns and get 2 bilion worth of minerals from it, or a low cargo capacity alloy that is worth a billion or so.
Avila Cracko Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 113	Posted - 2011.11.19 10:54:00 - [71] - Quote Sezdro wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: Razin wrote: Nothing wrong with a simplistic opinion. Adds variety. Better a simple solution that gets things done then a unique one that has negative effects. There is a reason were flying around in 747's instead of really cool Zeppelins. There is no Reason a Raven should be able to out mine a Hulk. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I could of swore it took more skill points to kill rats/drones than sit around and watch your strip miners extract minerals. I don't use a Raven, but I do solo drone patrols in a battleship for a decent bit of cash, and it took me a lot longer to get to that point than it would to train for a Hulk. How I "love" ppl that write things that are lie only to prove their point... or just don't want to check and write everything only to feel important... And i know that for what you use/think/have/do is the longest path... allways... Try to use a little EVE-mon and see... then you write... You will see that that your BS you got into is not so hard to get... Even that "lame Hulk" is ship that you need more effort to drive... yea, even that **** ship that give you 4 times less isk... and in mining... like you use your BS for.. mining... mining by killing... And... who won the reward for the biggest carebear... congratulations... ppl that MINE IN BS won it!!! And about that your thesis that more SP you need for something more different things you have to do.. Logic of all other ppl in all games would be that that thing your ship is for with more SP you do better and better and not spreading their usage... But with that yours logic... With that yours logic... for example... Titan should do everything in game because you need the most SP in game... - so it should be the best killing beast for frigates/cruisers/BC/BS/Dreads/carriers and SC and do it better then any other ships on eve... it shulkd kill 10000000 frigates with one shoot... - so it should be the best miner... at least 10000X better yield then hulk... in few minutes you mine for production of another titan... thats only fair... - so it should be the best indy platform... because you need so much SP Titan must do research of Blueprints, copying of blueprints, productions all all things in eve (from ammo and t1/t2 things to capitals), invention... and i have to invest no minerals or time in it... because i am soooo cool with having so much SP in titan that i should all get free and without waiting... - well... if i need so much SP for it... i must be the best trader when i have it... i must have have access to all markets in the same time... and i need at least get 90% discount for all things (if not free)... - I am so cool with my all bunch of SP and titan that i must not haul anything because i am ultimate hauler... so all things that i need appear in my cargo right away... - I am the best scanner then too... all that i want is on my overview in i just appear there where i want... so why would you play eve then??? and then Hulk needs to kill things the same as BS... because you need around the same amount of SP... Make Hulk DPS/tank on the range of BS and you don't need change nothing on this subject... But you know... that your thesis would kill EVE... but... who cares... "I have that much SP i should do all"... p.s. That your BS is **... CCP need to delete all others ships from EVE because the only ship that you need is Titan...
Freyya Aliastra Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.11.19 11:11:00 - [72] - Quote If i recall correctly drones also dropped drone parts used in manufacturing right? How about you drop the minerals and put it into full drone drops, add bp's or copies for rogue drones re-engeneered for capsuleer use with specific properties not found in regular or faction drones. Sure at first the prices would be quite high but seeing high/low and nullsec has drone plexes there wouldn't be a huge advantage for only the drone regions. It would give a new manufacturing "mini game" much like invention for t2 did. Hell, make it like invention requiring more work than just plain manufacturing.
Freyya Aliastra Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.11.19 11:14:00 - [73] - Quote Freyya wrote: If i recall correctly drones also dropped drone parts used in manufacturing right? How about you drop the minerals and put it into full drone drops, add bp's or copies for rogue drones re-engeneered for capsuleer use with specific properties not found in regular or faction drones. Sure at first the prices would be quite high but seeing high/low and nullsec has drone plexes there wouldn't be a huge advantage for only the drone regions. It would give a new manufacturing "mini game" much like invention for t2 did. Hell, make it like invention requiring more work than just plain manufacturing. it might be extraction from salvaging, not drops, haven't been shooting drones in a long long time. Crap, ment edit, sorry.
dischordia Knights Of Anarchy Shadow of xXDEATHXx 0	Posted - 2011.11.19 11:54:00 - [74] - Quote Freyya wrote: Freyya wrote: If i recall correctly drones also dropped drone parts used in manufacturing right? How about you drop the minerals and put it into full drone drops, add bp's or copies for rogue drones re-engeneered for capsuleer use with specific properties not found in regular or faction drones. Sure at first the prices would be quite high but seeing high/low and nullsec has drone plexes there wouldn't be a huge advantage for only the drone regions. It would give a new manufacturing "mini game" much like invention for t2 did. Hell, make it like invention requiring more work than just plain manufacturing. it might be extraction from salvaging, not drops, haven't been shooting drones in a long long time. Crap, ment edit, sorry. the drone parts come from the "commander" spawns and tbh you cant GIVE them away as they are worth fudge all due to the stuff they make sucking so bad and costing so damn much
Jacabon Mere Capital Storm. Shadow of xXDEATHXx 0	Posted - 2011.11.19 11:55:00 - [75] - Quote Sentient drones drop the drone parts.
Freyya Aliastra Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.11.19 12:42:00 - [76] - Quote dischordia wrote: Freyya wrote: Freyya wrote: If i recall correctly drones also dropped drone parts used in manufacturing right? How about you drop the minerals and put it into full drone drops, add bp's or copies for rogue drones re-engeneered for capsuleer use with specific properties not found in regular or faction drones. Sure at first the prices would be quite high but seeing high/low and nullsec has drone plexes there wouldn't be a huge advantage for only the drone regions. It would give a new manufacturing "mini game" much like invention for t2 did. Hell, make it like invention requiring more work than just plain manufacturing. it might be extraction from salvaging, not drops, haven't been shooting drones in a long long time. Crap, ment edit, sorry. the drone parts come from the "commander" spawns and tbh you cant GIVE them away as they are worth fudge all due to the stuff they make sucking so bad and costing so damn much Well it could then be a good incentive to make it less suck, distribute drone parts more to make it cost less and uhmmm....uhmmm. EPA?No... Damn, can't remember the 3rd thing, sorry.....oops.
dischordia Knights Of Anarchy Shadow of xXDEATHXx 0	Posted - 2011.11.19 12:49:00 - [77] - Quote Freyya wrote: dischordia wrote: Freyya wrote: Freyya wrote: If i recall correctly drones also dropped drone parts used in manufacturing right? How about you drop the minerals and put it into full drone drops, add bp's or copies for rogue drones re-engeneered for capsuleer use with specific properties not found in regular or faction drones. Sure at first the prices would be quite high but seeing high/low and nullsec has drone plexes there wouldn't be a huge advantage for only the drone regions. It would give a new manufacturing "mini game" much like invention for t2 did. Hell, make it like invention requiring more work than just plain manufacturing. it might be extraction from salvaging, not drops, haven't been shooting drones in a long long time. Crap, ment edit, sorry. the drone parts come from the "commander" spawns and tbh you cant GIVE them away as they are worth fudge all due to the stuff they make sucking so bad and costing so damn much Well it could then be a good incentive to make it less suck, distribute drone parts more to make it cost less and uhmmm....uhmmm. EPA?No... Damn, can't remember the 3rd thing, sorry.....oops. the prob is that the "faction" drones are not as good as compared to there t2 counterparts for the bang for your Isk ratio style analogy hell even the empire faction drones are worse than there t2 counterparts for isk spent, this is something that needs to be looked over asap imho
Elanor Vega Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 52	Posted - 2011.11.19 14:49:00 - [78] - Quote dischordia wrote: Freyya wrote: dischordia wrote: Freyya wrote: Freyya wrote: If i recall correctly drones also dropped drone parts used in manufacturing right? How about you drop the minerals and put it into full drone drops, add bp's or copies for rogue drones re-engeneered for capsuleer use with specific properties not found in regular or faction drones. Sure at first the prices would be quite high but seeing high/low and nullsec has drone plexes there wouldn't be a huge advantage for only the drone regions. It would give a new manufacturing "mini game" much like invention for t2 did. Hell, make it like invention requiring more work than just plain manufacturing. it might be extraction from salvaging, not drops, haven't been shooting drones in a long long time. Crap, ment edit, sorry. the drone parts come from the "commander" spawns and tbh you cant GIVE them away as they are worth fudge all due to the stuff they make sucking so bad and costing so damn much Well it could then be a good incentive to make it less suck, distribute drone parts more to make it cost less and uhmmm....uhmmm. EPA?No... Damn, can't remember the 3rd thing, sorry.....oops. the prob is that the "faction" drones are not as good as compared to there t2 counterparts for the bang for your Isk ratio style analogy hell even the empire faction drones are worse than there t2 counterparts for isk spent, this is something that needs to be looked over asap imho Then boost faction drones... non empire faction little more then empire faction... and you have one nice boost to prices of that parts... that would be one part of compensation for removed minerals...
Crucis Cassiopeiae EvE-COM 720	Posted - 2011.11.19 17:58:00 - [79] - Quote Elanor Vega wrote: whats the difference about monetary inflation and devaluation of some goods??? I don't see a difference... minerals ARE isk for indy ppl!!! +1
BigCountry Knights Of Anarchy Shadow of xXDEATHXx 7	Posted - 2011.11.19 21:07:00 - [80] - Quote Freyya wrote: If i recall correctly drones also dropped drone parts used in manufacturing right? How about you drop the minerals and put it into full drone drops, add bp's or copies for rogue drones re-engeneered for capsuleer use with specific properties not found in regular or faction drones. Sure at first the prices would be quite high but seeing high/low and nullsec has drone plexes there wouldn't be a huge advantage for only the drone regions. It would give a new manufacturing "mini game" much like invention for t2 did. Hell, make it like invention requiring more work than just plain manufacturing. This is a horrible idea, I'm sorry...... The way PvE makes money in drone region is this .... 1. Rat and loot Drone Battleships... 2. Decide whether you want to just sell alloys or refine and manufacture something to sell The good thing about this choice is that your options are plentiful... either someone will buy your alloys for the minerals for themself to build something , OR you build something that others will want to buy ... With your idea the options are reduced to almost nothing ... Either i sell the drone parts or I build the special drones and sell them... The problem is that both options are very limited in customer base... Other space PvE --- You go kill battleships and use ISK to buy whatever you want ... and you dont have to loot and haul anything to make it... The only ones affected by alloys are miners and last I looked Trit and other low ends are higher then they have been in a long time so there is still money to be made in mining ..... high ends prices have nothing to do with alloys...
BigCountry Knights Of Anarchy Shadow of xXDEATHXx 7	Posted - 2011.11.19 21:11:00 - [81] - Quote I also wanted to add for all those who say " get rid of alloys" There are not enough miners in EVE to mine enough to compensate for the decrease in minerals on the market this would cause .. not to mention the prices of minerals would go up by alot and that means alot of other prices would go up... So again this only helps miners .. and im sorry I dont see how this is a good thing ... With alloys in the game it helps keep costs down..
Elanor Vega Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 53	Posted - 2011.11.19 22:11:00 - [82] - Quote BigCountry wrote: Freyya wrote: If i recall correctly drones also dropped drone parts used in manufacturing right? How about you drop the minerals and put it into full drone drops, add bp's or copies for rogue drones re-engeneered for capsuleer use with specific properties not found in regular or faction drones. Sure at first the prices would be quite high but seeing high/low and nullsec has drone plexes there wouldn't be a huge advantage for only the drone regions. It would give a new manufacturing "mini game" much like invention for t2 did. Hell, make it like invention requiring more work than just plain manufacturing. This is a horrible idea, I'm sorry...... The way PvE makes money in drone region is this .... 1. Rat and loot Drone Battleships... 2. Decide whether you want to just sell alloys or refine and manufacture something to sell The good thing about this choice is that your options are plentiful... either someone will buy your alloys for the minerals for themself to build something , OR you build something that others will want to buy ... With your idea the options are reduced to almost nothing ... Either i sell the drone parts or I build the special drones and sell them... The problem is that both options are very limited in customer base... Other space PvE --- You go kill battleships and use ISK to buy whatever you want ... and you dont have to loot and haul anything to make it... The only ones affected by alloys are miners and last I looked Trit and other low ends are higher then they have been in a long time so there is still money to be made in mining ..... high ends prices have nothing to do with alloys... LOL... some ppl like to act that they have no brain... or don't have a clue about EVE market and mineral prices... But... they need to write so that they look smart and be vets... Or they don't give a damn about anything because their botts do their work so they don't need to look at prices... and now they are afraid that something will be changed and they will need to buy/program new botts... Prices of minerals are at lowest levels... and everybody knows that only you are saying that's not the case... And you are so in drones and don't know how they influenced mineral prices when they were introduced... Zydrine & Megacyte prices tumbled by about 2/3 within 3 months of the drone regions being introduced... And prices of low ends fell a less... but still so much... And Zydrine and Megacyte are soooo low end minerals by you... because you say that prices of high ends have nothing with alloys... So please... if you want to make some TV novel that will lead ppl to miss-conclusion... do your homework... And about "we need to have a choice and miners can **** themselfs" Lets turn that back... and give drone regions something that will make them so unprofitable because at the same time we will introduce worm-regions that will give 4X more of that same loot... Then I will say... "no... don't help them because wee need to have a choice... we need to build, sell, bott... and i saw prices... they are not that bad even they fell 3 times so there is money"
Elanor Vega Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 53	Posted - 2011.11.19 22:21:00 - [83] - Quote BigCountry wrote: I also wanted to add for all those who say " get rid of alloys" There are not enough miners in EVE to mine enough to compensate for the decrease in minerals on the market this would cause .. not to mention the prices of minerals would go up by alot and that means alot of other prices would go up... So again this only helps miners .. and im sorry I dont see how this is a good thing ... With alloys in the game it helps keep costs down.. And about cost of things... yea... all in eve is so expensive EVE could use bugger prices... so that we can see peoples to use ships that are in this game and not only few the best and most $$$ ships with at deadspace fit. you know... there was nothing wrong with eve and before drone regions. and things were not so $$$$ what peoples like you are saying to deceive people. or lack of SC blobs is so bad? And you know... when you produce something somewhere else for 5 times less investments... people will stop produce it on that first place where is that investment 5 times bigger. And this "this only helps miners": That i can say for you too... So... lets nerf drone regions 10 times... that only hurts peoples in drone regions... and that is better you know... because it hurts the most of botts in eve... so... lets do it...
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1562	Posted - 2011.11.19 22:27:00 - [84] - Quote BigCountry wrote: I also wanted to add for all those who say " get rid of alloys" There are not enough miners in EVE to mine enough to compensate for the decrease in minerals on the market this would cause Yes there are. They're just not doing any mining because it's a waste of time when other sources of minerals are providing so much more. Quote: not to mention the prices of minerals would go up by alot and that means GÇªit would be worth mining again so people would hop to it, and that would bring the prices down again. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
BuckStrider Hardcore p0wnography 2	Posted - 2011.11.19 22:27:00 - [85] - Quote Razin wrote: Severian Carnifex wrote: Elanor Vega wrote: Get rid of mineral drops from drones!!!! Yea... mineral faucet from drones must be removed... Not that I mind, but what other faucet would you replace it with? ISK stupid, just like every other k-space rat
Crucis Cassiopeiae EvE-COM 723	Posted - 2011.11.20 00:23:00 - [86] - Quote CCP just don't listen... They never give a damn about indy ppl... :( now they buff metal scraps (volume of 0.01)... and that is directly nerf to mining... :/ so... CCP is playing with indy nerves...
Joshua Aivoras Tech IV Industries Pandorum Invictus 13	Posted - 2011.11.20 05:08:00 - [87] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Sakurako Kimino wrote: drone regions need to be changed, how, i am not 100% sure but i do think give the npc bountys and bring the alloys inine with module drops from the other nul sec regions. .... I don't understand. Why the drone regions? Mining is broken, not the drone regions. CCP should fix mining and make it worthwhile again. So many people harvest drone alloys for a reason: because it is more efficient and less tedious than mining. The problem is mining. Drone harvesting is working, mining is not. So why get rid of the working part instead of fixing the broken part? Boring or nigh, Mining used to be much, much more profitable before the drone regions were introduced into Eve.
Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 371	Posted - 2011.11.20 05:32:00 - [88] - Quote Joshua Aivoras wrote: Boring or nigh, Mining used to be much, much more profitable before the drone regions were introduced into Eve. Yes and no. 2007, ISK/m3 for hi-sec ores was generally between 65-110 (Omber was king of the hill at around 105-110 due to Isogen prices). 2008 - after the drone regions came online and a few other changes, tritanium crashed to about 2.25-2.35 range and a lot of hi-sec ores struggled to reach 80 ISK/m3 (Veld was a miserable 60-65 ISK/m3). 2009 - I recall lo-sec ores (Jasp, Hedb, Hemo) all being slightly worthelss (in the 60-100 ISK/m3 range), which was the same as you could get in hi-sec for a lot less risk (hi-sec ores were all 85-100 ISK/m3). Right now, things are pretty even keel for hi-sec ores, with most of them in a narrow 90-105 ISK/m3 range. The laggard is still Omber at 70-ish, and Pyrox is up around 110-120 ISK/m3. Lo-sec ores are in the 150-175 ISK/m3 range. The ABCs are about 250-350 ISK/m3 (based on empire mineral values). (Anyone have hard numbers for what the mineral prices were back in '05 and '06?) Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing alloys turned down and reprocessing made more difficult - but I don't think turning that spigot off all at once would be good for the economy. Better to turn it down gradually (and figure out what else the drones could drop to keep income up).
Crucis Cassiopeiae EvE-COM 724	Posted - 2011.11.20 09:18:00 - [89] - Quote Look at SISI... they changed a little reprocessing value of alloys... little less hi-ends... and much more low ends... so... they decided to kill hi-sec mining completely and this will not help low/0.0... and what i know about CCP... one time they do a little tweak that is fixed... and they will get back to it soonTM (never) and they can say we helped... you helped a squat... @ CCP you want to remove mining from EVE??? I ask because i see that you are nerfing it for years and just giving other professions more and more minerals and making them easier to get to it... About drone loot... are you laughing in miners face when doing all this to us... and this "changes" are kick under the belt... like "we did something"... And then this metal scraps buff... that's so low... more and more minerals from not-mining... If you want to kill mining and remove it from game... just say it... But in this conditions i demand my SP invested in mining back...
dischordia Knights Of Anarchy Shadow of xXDEATHXx 1	Posted - 2011.11.20 15:15:00 - [90] - Quote Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote: Look at SISI... they changed a little reprocessing value of alloys... little less hi-ends... and much more low ends... so... they decided to kill hi-sec mining completely and this will not help low/0.0... and what i know about CCP... one time they do a little tweak that is fixed... and they will get back to it soonTM (never) and they can say we helped... you helped a squat... @ CCP you want to remove mining from EVE??? I ask because i see that you are nerfing it for years and just giving other professions more and more minerals and making them easier to get to it... About drone loot... are you laughing in miners face when doing all this to us... and this "changes" are kick under the belt... like "we did something"... And then this metal scraps buff... that's so low... more and more minerals from not-mining... If you want to kill mining and remove it from game... just say it... But in this conditions i demand my SP invested in mining back... Currently on sisi you get 27 trit extra for refining one of each drone alloy in one go but doing them seperately you get the same as tq is so i dont know where you say that more is gout of the low ends and less high ends. it seems like a bug but well im not sure ... its reported anyway

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