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Gilgamoth
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Posted - 2006.06.07 13:03:00 -
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As one of the original members of EVE-FFET hangs up his gloves for the last time, it has become apparent to those of us left, that we can no longer go it alone with the development of EMS.
Because of a promise made to Islay when we took over the original ECM code, we cannot make ECM/EMS open source, so we are doing the next best thing, weÆre opening up our doors to welcome new blood into the fold.
First a little bit of background on where we are going with EMS. With EVE Character Manager (ECM), Ship Fit (SF), and EVE Map (EM), a number of core functions such as XML retrieval and character information storage were duplicated within each separate application, so when we had to rebuild due to a bug in Delphi (which they were all written in) we decided to redesign way the applications interacted and worked. This resulted in the creation of EVE Management Suite or EMS.
EMS is the core function module that will eventually replace the overlapping portions of ECM, SF and EM. This currently does basic XML download to replace the broken functionality in ECM.
Modules will be able to plug into the EMS Core and gain information about any characters that are loaded there, but sensitive data such as usernames and passwords will not be retrievable from modules. Modules can be written in any language that can be compiled as DLL.
So what ævacanciesÆ exist?
20x EMS Developers û Under the watchful eye of EzTarget, you will be responsible for coding the core part of EMS along with any official modules (such as the replacements for ECM, SF and EM). The language currently used is Microsoft Visual C++ 7 (as supplied with MS Visual Studio 2003) although we are reviewing MS Visual Studio 2005 C++ Express Edition. You will need to be able to follow general group coding techniques such as using version control and black box testing. You will need to be able to offer on average a couple of hours a week to this project in order to qualify for one of these positions.
50x Beta Testers û Under my watchful eye, the Beta Testers will be required to bug test and feed useful information back to the developers. This will be on beta code before it goes live to the general public. Beta Testing is an important job, and anyone who just wants to join up because they think it means early copies of the code will be swiftly removed.
Module Developers û Anyone wishing to develop a non-official module in another language, may request to become a module developer. You will be able to utilise the EVE-FFET server to host your module info and web pages.
If anyone wishes to apply for one of the above positions, please log on to our forums and send a PM to the user Applications with a position you are applying for and brief details as to why you feel that you are suitable for that position.
Applications are open until the 30th June and then the successful folks will be notified
Good Luck
Regards,
Gil
Eldritch Storm Council Member, Future Falcon EVE Tools - Project Leader.
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Apertotes
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Posted - 2006.06.07 14:56:00 -
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even though i am unable to help (0 skills on programming and final exams on the next month and half), i would love to see these tools being developed, so here it goes all my support (guess is not worth too much :() and a free bump
ps: i havent tryed eve map nor ship fit, but ECM is a really good program, it grew to be essential to me to keep track of all the characters. thanks a lot for your hard work
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Gilgamoth
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Posted - 2006.06.09 07:45:00 -
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Oh and if anyone is is registering an account to send a PM, please make sure that you put EVE-Online in your interests otherwise the account will be deleted.
We're experiencing an unusually heavy amount of Bot registrations and we are having to manually sort through account registrations.
Regards,
Gil
Eldritch Storm Council Member, Future Falcon EVE Tools - Project Leader.
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zzmin
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Posted - 2006.06.09 09:33:00 -
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I think you are being over ambitious in what you are trying to achieve. Have you considered droping Ship Fit and Eve Map, to concentrate on ECM. ECM is the bit that is most useful IMHO
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Chribba
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Posted - 2006.06.09 09:41:00 -
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imo ship fit was and still is great, it only needs to be updated a bit. Never used EVE Map much though so that's if any case the part I wouldn't spend too much time on.
Keep up the great work!
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Gilgamoth
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Posted - 2006.06.16 20:43:00 -
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Nudge for attention. Applications are still open..
Regards,
Gil
Eldritch Storm Council Member, Future Falcon EVE Tools - Project Leader.
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Taketa De
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Posted - 2006.06.18 20:36:00 -
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Reading the OP, at first I thought I might want to help. Delphi would have worked well for me. Haven't done anything major in it for over a year but it's still one of the best environments for developing windows applications. It would have been good getting back into working in it again and doing an eve related project on the side would have been fun.
Since you've moved to C++ tho, I'm not really interrested. C# I might have taken a look at your project and maybe joined. Anyway, good luck in finding people and all the best on your project.
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DeckardIRL
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Posted - 2006.06.20 11:02:00 -
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/bump
Good Luck with getting a development team together. I use ECM and find it invaluable.
Deck
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.06.22 07:20:00 -
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Site seems to be down.
**Ship lovers click here** |
Gilgamoth
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Posted - 2006.06.22 09:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Hellspawn01
Site seems to be down.
There were some DNS issues this morning that seem to have been resolved.
Regards,
Gil
Eldritch Storm Council Member, Future Falcon EVE Tools - Project Leader.
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CONTIESTA
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Posted - 2006.06.22 09:35:00 -
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HI Gilgamoth,
I'm a Software tester and BETA tester for MS. I would be happy to test your app and report bugs etc to you as I have always used ECM for all my accounts.
I would be happy to do my part so please contact me in game.
Originally by: Gilgamoth
As one of the original members of EVE-FFET hangs up his gloves for the last time, it has become apparent to those of us left, that we can no longer go it alone with the development of EMS.
Because of a promise made to Islay when we took over the original ECM code, we cannot make ECM/EMS open source, so we are doing the next best thing, weÆre opening up our doors to welcome new blood into the fold.
First a little bit of background on where we are going with EMS. With EVE Character Manager (ECM), Ship Fit (SF), and EVE Map (EM), a number of core functions such as XML retrieval and character information storage were duplicated within each separate application, so when we had to rebuild due to a bug in Delphi (which they were all written in) we decided to redesign way the applications interacted and worked. This resulted in the creation of EVE Management Suite or EMS.
EMS is the core function module that will eventually replace the overlapping portions of ECM, SF and EM. This currently does basic XML download to replace the broken functionality in ECM.
Modules will be able to plug into the EMS Core and gain information about any characters that are loaded there, but sensitive data such as usernames and passwords will not be retrievable from modules. Modules can be written in any language that can be compiled as DLL.
So what ævacanciesÆ exist?
20x EMS Developers û Under the watchful eye of EzTarget, you will be responsible for coding the core part of EMS along with any official modules (such as the replacements for ECM, SF and EM). The language currently used is Microsoft Visual C++ 7 (as supplied with MS Visual Studio 2003) although we are reviewing MS Visual Studio 2005 C++ Express Edition. You will need to be able to follow general group coding techniques such as using version control and black box testing. You will need to be able to offer on average a couple of hours a week to this project in order to qualify for one of these positions.
50x Beta Testers û Under my watchful eye, the Beta Testers will be required to bug test and feed useful information back to the developers. This will be on beta code before it goes live to the general public. Beta Testing is an important job, and anyone who just wants to join up because they think it means early copies of the code will be swiftly removed.
Module Developers û Anyone wishing to develop a non-official module in another language, may request to become a module developer. You will be able to utilise the EVE-FFET server to host your module info and web pages.
If anyone wishes to apply for one of the above positions, please log on to our forums and send a PM to the user Applications with a position you are applying for and brief details as to why you feel that you are suitable for that position.
Applications are open until the 30th June and then the successful folks will be notified
Good Luck
Regards,
Gil
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Rogue 2
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Posted - 2006.06.26 22:35:00 -
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Noooo! We CAN'T let ECM go down! I LOVE that program! PLEASE SOMEONE HELP! :)
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Shaina
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Posted - 2006.06.27 01:45:00 -
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If you open sourced it I'd be all over it. Think about it - you may just get more help that way. Promises to people who are "Dead and Gone" don't really mean much anyway.
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Ralitge boyter
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Posted - 2006.06.27 07:09:00 -
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I don't agree with the previous poster, as a promise made is a promise made.
But then again I would think that the code that was rewrote does not contain any or at least such a minor bit of the original functionality that this could have been considdered a seperate project. Lets face it fetching XML from a web page is not that dark an art nor it the storing of an XML structure in an object (or several objects however you like)
Then again a the development team has made a decission which was theirs to make. And personaly I think we should respect it.
I cannot however offer my support as I have truly no time at all and for these type of tools I do think that open source or even semi open where all can read and few can update is the way to go.
I do like ECM and it has served me very well in the past. I hope it will be able to take that same place in the near future.
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Gilgamoth
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Posted - 2006.06.27 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Shaina
If you open sourced it I'd be all over it. Think about it - you may just get more help that way.
How can making it open source get more help? We're openly inviting people to have access to the code without restriction and have received zero requests to become developers.
The only difference I can see between inviting people in and making it open source, is that our way we know who has access to it and can have some control over release and testing.
Originally by: Shaina
Promises to people who are "Dead and Gone" don't really mean much anyway.
Well if that's what you think then fine, but I'm afraid I have more credability than that.
Applications are still open until Friday, and please remember to put EVE Online in your Interests when registering on the website, otherwise the account will be deleted by our anti-spam measures.
Regards,
Gil
Eldritch Storm Council Member, Future Falcon EVE Tools - Project Leader.
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