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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3075
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Posted - 2014.06.01 07:04:00 -
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Very very sad news, and a tremendous loss for the Eve community.
Godpseed sir. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10196
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Posted - 2014.06.01 07:07:00 -
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Cool. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Dave Stark
6048
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Posted - 2014.06.01 07:08:00 -
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but now who do we complain to when we feel tortured? |

Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
165
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Posted - 2014.06.01 07:19:00 -
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Who? I'm too busy pewpewing when I play eve to care. |

Prince Kobol
1796
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Posted - 2014.06.01 07:30:00 -
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Tell me why I should care?
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flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2192
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Posted - 2014.06.01 07:33:00 -
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who's jester ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
275
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Posted - 2014.06.01 07:36:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Cool.
"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1750
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Posted - 2014.06.01 07:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Cool.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1750
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Posted - 2014.06.01 07:38:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:news, and tremendous for the Eve community. FTFY
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1956
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Posted - 2014.06.01 07:58:00 -
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Who? CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
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Talas Dir
Super Happy Fun Corp
22
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:11:00 -
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Um... okay? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15702
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:19:00 -
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How on earth could someone possibly get burned out on trying to do anything for the EVE community, it is such a mystery to me I cannot understand it, anyone got any ideas?
http://themittani.com/features/xnym-or-everybody-needs-somebody "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |

Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:21:00 -
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Losing Jester's Trek is like losing your favorite expat bar: It will only be missed by the right people, and those who won't miss it don't matter.
PS: Sad news indeed as he's letting Ripard's subscription lapse, too. 
http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.es/2014/05/no-tank-lasts-forever.html |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15702
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:30:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
Ripard wrote: "Now before you ask, I'm neither quitting nor rage-quitting EVE Online..."
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |

Malou Hashur
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:34:00 -
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Thank God. The guy's an idiot. |

Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
408
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:35:00 -
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Haters gonna hate & it didn't take long for the usual suspects to comment on this post.
I agree with OP, this is a body blow to community provided content & Jester's Trek will be sorely missed - especially by those that are capable of independent thought. |

Calfis
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
139
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:36:00 -
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So this is basically because Rote Kapelle is dead |

Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:40:00 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:I realize that a lot of you out there really want to keep New Eden as your own private little club, no noobs allowed, go back to WoW, et cetera ad nauseam. But some of you must feel differently. If you want the game to succeed, how do you not worry about it? Are we so enamored of griefing people that we subconsciously want EVE to flame out and die so we can sit down with some popcorn and watch it happen? In my darkest moments, I feel like this is exactly it. There are lots of current and former EVE players that seem positively gleeful at the prospect of watching CCP implode spectacularly.
(Underlining is mine) |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15702
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:42:00 -
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I know. He's right. The OP is one of them. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |

Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:45:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote: Ripard wrote: "Now before you ask, I'm neither quitting nor rage-quitting EVE Online..."
But he's letting Ripard's subscription lapse, as he will focus on other mains to do the 10% that still is fun for him. I don't want to blow this out of proportion, but every bittervet should have seen enough buddies take that road as to ignore what it means. |
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Aiyshimin
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
28
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:50:00 -
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Who is jester and why should anyone care? |

Prince Kobol
1798
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:55:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Haters gonna hate & it didn't take long for the usual suspects to comment on this post.
I agree with OP, this is a body blow to community provided content & Jester's Trek will be sorely missed - especially by those that are capable of independent thought.
Why.. in what way does 1 random guy stopping his in my opinion poor blogging effect what happens to anybody in game?
How does this 1 guy stopping his blog make the entire game and community worse off?
Please explain because I just can't figure it out? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15707
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:55:00 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Who is jester and why should anyone care?
Who are you and why should anyone bother answering you? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |

Lisa Gentilette
The Scope Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:55:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Very very sad news, and a tremendous loss for the Eve community.
Godpseed sir.
One of the very few times I'm agreeing with you.
If Jester might read this thread, don't let the forum trolls (anyone above minus Malcanis) get to you.  |

Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
51
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:57:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I know. He's right. The OP is one of them.
Agreed |

Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
276
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:59:00 -
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Lisa Gentilette wrote:If Jester might read this thread, don't let the forum trolls (anyone above minus Malcanis) get to you. 
You must be new here
"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |

Christina Trild
Dead Rune Holder Dead Rune Society
7
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Posted - 2014.06.01 09:00:00 -
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I want his stuff |

Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
408
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Posted - 2014.06.01 09:04:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Haters gonna hate & it didn't take long for the usual suspects to comment on this post.
I agree with OP, this is a body blow to community provided content & Jester's Trek will be sorely missed - especially by those that are capable of independent thought. Why.. in what way does 1 random guy stopping his in my opinion poor blogging effect what happens to anybody in game? How does this 1 guy stopping his blog make the entire game and community worse off? Please explain because I just can't figure it out?
Because you felt compelled to comment and in a clearly negative manner.
Ripard is not 'some random guy' - that description aptly describes every goontard (or their dangleberry blowhards) btw.
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Prince Kobol
1798
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Posted - 2014.06.01 09:07:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Haters gonna hate & it didn't take long for the usual suspects to comment on this post.
I agree with OP, this is a body blow to community provided content & Jester's Trek will be sorely missed - especially by those that are capable of independent thought. Why.. in what way does 1 random guy stopping his in my opinion poor blogging effect what happens to anybody in game? How does this 1 guy stopping his blog make the entire game and community worse off? Please explain because I just can't figure it out? Because you felt compelled to comment and in a clearly negative manner. Ripard is not 'some random guy' - that description aptly describes every goontard (or their dangleberry blowhards) btw.
Yet you haven't given any explanation as to why he is not just random guy nor have you explained how him no logging blogging effects anything that happens in game or the community. |

Marsha Mallow
839
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Posted - 2014.06.01 09:34:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:but now who do we complain to when we feel tortured? Who am I going to take the **** out of now 
/squints at Malcanis TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
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Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
276
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Posted - 2014.06.01 09:43:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Dave Stark wrote:but now who do we complain to when we feel tortured? Who am I going to take the **** out of now  /squints at Malcanis
Don't you look at Malc's ****. He need his ****.
You're not allowed to post on Failheap if you're not full of ****. Don't take that away from him. "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
321
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Posted - 2014.06.01 09:44:00 -
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Ripard Teg was never really part of the CCP '' in crowd'' anyway so the only-thing he looses is 1 plex per month for his blog efforts. I hated his views on the game it was all nerf PVP and leave the bears alone coupled with give pet players free **** which is pretty much everything I was against, SO YEAH UHM GOOD RIDDANCE! |

Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
408
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Posted - 2014.06.01 09:50:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Haters gonna hate & it didn't take long for the usual suspects to comment on this post.
I agree with OP, this is a body blow to community provided content & Jester's Trek will be sorely missed - especially by those that are capable of independent thought. Why.. in what way does 1 random guy stopping his in my opinion poor blogging effect what happens to anybody in game? How does this 1 guy stopping his blog make the entire game and community worse off? Please explain because I just can't figure it out? Because you felt compelled to comment and in a clearly negative manner. Ripard is not 'some random guy' - that description aptly describes every goontard (or their dangleberry blowhards) btw. Yet you haven't given any explanation as to why he is not just random guy nor have you explained how him no logging blogging effects anything that happens in game or the community.
I'm disappointed in you, I believed you might be one of those players that might have taken a greater interest in the game than just who was being braodcast as primary. Assuming you are not just trolling, of course.
Ripard Teg, the playing character behind Jester's Trek, was elected onto CSM 8 on a popular ticket that didn't require block votes. Indeed, his popularity was so high that he achieved the position of Vice Chair. Through Jester's Trek, Ripard kept everyone up to date with the goings on of the CSM on a weekly basis - something that has never been done before (afaik) and set a very high bar for CSM9 members to emulate.
Through Jester's Trek, Ripard intelligently, diligently & thoroughly covered most aspects of life in EVE Online - he covered lots of the meta goings on, Quotes of the Week, Fit of the Week and produce many new player friendly guides. Jester's Trek wasn't just a blog, it was a magazine and reference document all rolled into one. The man was a blogging machine - he had the ability to post quailty content almost on a daily basis. There was even the occaisional sightings of his alter ego, Garth, who liked to comment on some of the more controversial aspects of the game and wasn't afraid to pull any punches. There was always something for everyone and this is why it will be missed.
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Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1545
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Posted - 2014.06.01 09:51:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Ripard Teg wrote:I realize that a lot of you out there really want to keep New Eden as your own private little club, no noobs allowed, go back to WoW, et cetera ad nauseam. But some of you must feel differently. If you want the game to succeed, how do you not worry about it? Are we so enamored of griefing people that we subconsciously want EVE to flame out and die so we can sit down with some popcorn and watch it happen? In my darkest moments, I feel like this is exactly it. There are lots of current and former EVE players that seem positively gleeful at the prospect of watching CCP implode spectacularly. (Underlining is mine) I don't like the guy. Hell, I hate him.
But he hit the nail with that. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2253
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Posted - 2014.06.01 09:51:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Ripard Teg was never really part of the CCP '' in crowd'' anyway so the only-thing he looses is 1 plex per month for his blog efforts. I hated his views on the game it was all nerf PVP and leave the bears alone coupled with give pet players free **** which is pretty much everything I was against, SO YEAH UHM GOOD RIDDANCE!
Now if we could just get Mynnna to stop talking shite then today would be a pretty good Sunday.
Wow, if that's all you got out of his blog you either need to train up reading comprehension a lot higher. Or you are one of the many who probably ever actually read it and just regurgitate whatever someone else said.
o7 Jester |

Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1160
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Posted - 2014.06.01 09:51:00 -
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Ironic that he criticizes the sense of disunity in our community, when he himself bears much of the responsibility for creating it, through his constant attacks against playstyles which aren't his own. Nevertheless, I do respect his willingness to stick his neck out and express unpopular ideas. It shows a degree of e-courage, even though his ideas tended to be unpopular for good reason (because they were terrible).
I think he is making the right decision and I applaud him for it. Video games are supposed to be fun, and if this is no longer fun for him then it is time for a change.
Still, though, I do feel some obligation to claim victory for the New Order against the greatest champion of bot-aspirancy that EVE has ever known.
Victory for James 315! Death to his enemies! www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |

Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
252
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Posted - 2014.06.01 10:03:00 -
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Although I like that Erotica is no longer part of the eve community, Jester will always be remembered for being a whiney carebear to me, and is the antithesis of the spirit of eve. The reason people like eve is that the community are treated like adults, not kids that need to be given a cookie when they make a mistake and start to cry. I didn't listen to the audio clip, as I don't want to waste my time listening to the garbage which Erotica spews. Everyone else should have just done the same. |

Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2014.06.01 10:19:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Although I like that Erotica is no longer part of the eve community, Jester will always be remembered for being a whiney carebear to me, and is the antithesis of the spirit of eve. The reason people like eve is that the community are treated like adults, not kids that need to be given a cookie when they make a mistake and start to cry. I didn't listen to the audio clip, as I don't want to waste my time listening to the garbage which Erotica spews. Everyone else should have just done the same.
Your opinion tells more about you than about Ripard...  |

Prince Kobol
1798
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Posted - 2014.06.01 10:28:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:I'm disappointed in you, I believed you might be one of those players that might have taken a greater interest in the game than just who was being braodcast as primary. Assuming you are not just trolling, of course. Ripard Teg, the playing character behind Jester's Trek, was elected onto CSM 8 on a popular ticket that didn't require block votes. Indeed, his popularity was so high that he achieved the position of Vice Chair. Through Jester's Trek, Ripard kept everyone up to date with the goings on of the CSM on a weekly basis - something that has never been done before (afaik) and set a very high bar for CSM9 members to emulate. Through Jester's Trek, Ripard intelligently, diligently & thoroughly covered most aspects of life in EVE Online - he covered lots of the meta goings on, Quotes of the Week, Fit of the Week and produce many new player friendly guides. Jester's Trek wasn't just a blog, it was a magazine and reference document all rolled into one. The man was a blogging machine - he had the ability to post quailty content almost on a daily basis. There was even the occaisional sightings of his alter ego, Garth, who liked to comment on some of the more controversial aspects of the game and wasn't afraid to pull any punches. There was always something for everyone and this is why it will be missed.
A lot of what he posted was complete rubbish. Many times he posted about events which was so far removed from the truth it was fantasy.
As for the rest, none of it effects anything that happens in game. Nothing in Eve as we know will change. Nobodies play style will change due him no longer blogging. No Alliances will fall, nobody will leave, subs will not dramatically fall, the world will not end.
Everything will go as normal.
Far more influential players have completely left the game and you know what changed.. nothing. Eve went on as normal. So please spare me the dramatics that some guy who has stopped his blog is a terrible event and we will all be worse off.
There are many who have contributed and whose actions have more effect on Eve then Ripard could ever dream of doing.
As for his term on the CSM, he even admits that his Blog was created in order to get him elected. Now he has been there and done that his blog no longer serves any purpose.
He is no longer relevant. (If he ever was to begin with)
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1329
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Posted - 2014.06.01 10:46:00 -
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And nothing of value was lost. The Tears Must Flow |
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2014.06.01 11:02:00 -
[41] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Tell me why I should care? If Dinsdale cares, it must be important...
Um, no... good riddance...
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Losing Jester's Trek is like losing your favorite expat bar: It will only be missed by the whiners, and those who won't miss it are the smart ones. Fixed it for you... |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
420
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Posted - 2014.06.01 11:07:00 -
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He was a content creator in his own way.
But if yet another enjoyable EVE blog pops up to replace his, than all is good imo. Circle of life and all that.
He was giving the impression of running around in circles and grasping at straws in his latest 'opinion' posts, anyway. |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2014.06.01 11:27:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:Although I like that Erotica is no longer part of the eve community, Jester will always be remembered for being a whiney carebear to me, and is the antithesis of the spirit of eve. The reason people like eve is that the community are treated like adults, not kids that need to be given a cookie when they make a mistake and start to cry. I didn't listen to the audio clip, as I don't want to waste my time listening to the garbage which Erotica spews. Everyone else should have just done the same. Your opinion tells more about you than about Ripard...  Me too...
It tells me Madalyn is wise beyond her years....
Geez your a condecending prick, **** off already... You and yours are nothing special... |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4662
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Posted - 2014.06.01 11:36:00 -
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EvE's own NIgel Farrage is stopping his hateful blog?
Nice
But is he biomassing? That's the news all us cool cats want to hear.
Of course, this is a Dino Palamino thread, so it should probably just be reported for rumour mongering, but even a clock wrapped in tinfoil that rants nonsense about skyfolk is right twice a day. If its broken, of course. "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |

Jered Hakaaros
GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
39
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Posted - 2014.06.01 11:50:00 -
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Wow. Ive often noticed how the supposedly griefer-dominant community of Eve really only exist in the forums itself. Sure, there are griefers in the game, but you are always given ways around them, or through them by the game mechanics. Never has someone ruined my day if it wasnt partly my own fault.
But those forums? Im sorry to say, but most people commenting here are a collection of ********* and most of them represent themselves in nearly every thread that comes along. If I were a potential new player and had a look at the forums first (which are public) before trying the game itself (which you have to download and register for first), I would shy away in an instant.
My god, people...
Back on topic: Ripard, all the best to you. Your blog was, for better or worse, always an interesting read! |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4662
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Posted - 2014.06.01 11:56:00 -
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Jered Hakaaros wrote: most people commenting here are a collection of ********* Speaking as a *********, its this attitude that brings out our vitriol.
Is there really any need for it? Don't be a ********* if you plan on calling others out on it.
Jered Hakaaros wrote:If I were a potential new player and had a look at the forums first (which are public) before trying the game itself (which you have to download and register for first), I would shy away in an instant.
If a prospective player finds the strong opinions expressed in a forum too much for their delicate sensibilities, the complexity, depth and cold unforgiving world of EvE is probably not for them anyway.
Also, EvE forums are no better or worse than any forums. Infact, they are a damn sight more relaxed than any forums about RL issues I have seen, and not much different from any other gaming forums.
If anything, ban forums.
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |

Prince Kobol
1801
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Posted - 2014.06.01 11:58:00 -
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Jered Hakaaros wrote:Wow. Ive often noticed how the supposedly griefer-dominant community of Eve really only exist in the forums itself. Sure, there are griefers in the game, but you are always given ways around them, or through them by the game mechanics. Never has someone ruined my day if it wasnt partly my own fault.
But those forums? Im sorry to say, but most people commenting here are a collection of ********* and most of them represent themselves in nearly every thread that comes along. If I were a potential new player and had a look at the forums first (which are public) before trying the game itself (which you have to download and register for first), I would shy away in an instant.
My god, people...
Back on topic: Ripard, all the best to you. Your blog was, for better or worse, always an interesting read!
Why, because we all not fawning over Ripard???
OMFG look at all these cruel people saying that they don't care about some random dude who is stopping making crappy blogs.
THIS IS THE END OF EVE AS WE KNOW IT
RUN TO THE HILLS AND SAVE YOURSELVES !!!!!!!
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6625
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Posted - 2014.06.01 12:06:00 -
[48] - Quote
Good riddance. No one ever drumbeat harder about the "EVE is dying" rhetoric, not even Dinsdale. Nevermind the incessant, incredibly obnoxious carebear advocacy. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2014.06.01 12:08:00 -
[49] - Quote
Jered Hakaaros wrote:But those forums? Im sorry to say, but most people commenting here are a collection of ********* and most of them represent themselves in nearly every thread that comes along.
Yepp absolutly right. Funny that "in game" the situation is much better.
However: I understand your motives and whish you the best. I liked your blog.
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Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2014.06.01 12:34:00 -
[50] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Good riddance. No one ever drumbeat harder about the "EVE is dying" rhetoric, not even Dinsdale. Nevermind the incessant, incredibly obnoxious carebear advocacy.
Worrying about facts like this (PCU trend) and this (New character trend) is not "drumbeating" bad news.
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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
356
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Posted - 2014.06.01 12:39:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:EvE's own NIgel Farrage is stopping his hateful blog?
You had a blog? I never knew. As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18485
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Posted - 2014.06.01 12:45:00 -
[52] - Quote
While I often disagreed with Ripards views about some aspects of Eve, it's kind of sad to see him stop blogging, at least he isn't Gevlon. Some of his posts were and still are quite helpful when it comes to trying out new stuff.
Nil mortifi sine lucre Never go full Ripard |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6627
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Posted - 2014.06.01 12:45:00 -
[53] - Quote
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Good riddance. No one ever drumbeat harder about the "EVE is dying" rhetoric, not even Dinsdale. Nevermind the incessant, incredibly obnoxious carebear advocacy. Worrying about facts like this (PCU trend) and this (New character trend) is not "drumbeating" bad news.
Thanks, random NPC alt! Your participation in these forums is both valued and warranted. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Prince Kobol
1804
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Posted - 2014.06.01 12:51:00 -
[54] - Quote
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Good riddance. No one ever drumbeat harder about the "EVE is dying" rhetoric, not even Dinsdale. Nevermind the incessant, incredibly obnoxious carebear advocacy. Worrying about facts like this (PCU trend) and this (New character trend) is not "drumbeating" bad news.
and Ripard no longer blogging effects this how? |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1942
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 14:03:00 -
[55] - Quote
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:It will only be missed by the right people who think much too high of themselves, and those who won't miss it knew that it was the same crap as all the other blogs anyway. Fixed. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860
Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! |

MajorBean
The Scope Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2014.06.01 14:19:00 -
[56] - Quote
Great news!
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Hevymetal
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
310
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Posted - 2014.06.01 14:32:00 -
[57] - Quote
o7 |

Talon SilverHawk
Ronin Cartel The G0dfathers
670
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Posted - 2014.06.01 15:09:00 -
[58] - Quote
Shame...
Tal
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Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
410
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 15:33:00 -
[59] - Quote
Don't read too much into what Ramona and her ilk post here guys ..... their collective butt is still hurting from the whole Erotica thing. I think' New Order alts detected' applies to the rabble. |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
425
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 15:35:00 -
[60] - Quote
Jered Hakaaros wrote:Wow. Ive often noticed how the supposedly griefer-dominant community of Eve really only exist in the forums itself.
But those forums? Im sorry to say, but most people commenting here are a collection of ********* and most of them represent themselves in nearly every thread that comes along. If I were a potential new player and had a look at the forums first (which are public) before trying the game itself (which you have to download and register for first), I would shy away in an instant.
My god, people... This is obviously not true. Try asking for help in New Citizens Q&A, W&T, Market, Skill, Ships&Mods or Industry subforums. Everybody will go out of their way to help you.
GD is a bit different, sure but there are lots of smart, funny and helpful posters here too. |
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2791
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 16:02:00 -
[61] - Quote
Kinis Deren wrote:Don't read too much into what Ramona and her ilk post here guys ..... their collective butt is still hurting from the whole Erotica thing. I think' New Order alts detected' applies to the rabble.
There's really no need to read too much into it. It's pretty apparent from our simple English that many of us believe Ripard to be little more than a rabble rousing **** stirrer. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |

Dave Stark
6061
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 16:03:00 -
[62] - Quote
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Jered Hakaaros wrote:Wow. Ive often noticed how the supposedly griefer-dominant community of Eve really only exist in the forums itself.
But those forums? Im sorry to say, but most people commenting here are a collection of ********* and most of them represent themselves in nearly every thread that comes along. If I were a potential new player and had a look at the forums first (which are public) before trying the game itself (which you have to download and register for first), I would shy away in an instant.
My god, people... This is obviously not true. Try asking for help in New Citizens Q&A, W&T, Market, Skill, Ships&Mods or Industry subforums. Everybody will go out of their way to help you. GD is a bit different, sure  but there are lots of smart, funny and helpful posters here too.
or go in to any of the in-game channels that the 'griefers' frequent, and they'll be more than happy to help you as well.
Then again, if you can only be "helpful" by fawning over people like ripard, handing from his every word and enjoying his flavour of gentlemen's relish then unhelpful is what i'd rather be. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2791
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 16:04:00 -
[63] - Quote
Gully Alex Foyle wrote: This is obviously not true. Try asking for help in New Citizens Q&A, W&T, Market, Skill, Ships&Mods or Industry subforums. Everybody will go out of their way to help you.
As is the case on most gaming forums. If newbies stick to technical areas, they can be spared the emotional minefield that is often a General Discussion forum, and save themselves minutes of psychological evaluation and treatment later on. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |

Liese Shardani
Hedion University Amarr Empire
60
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 16:16:00 -
[64] - Quote
A few people have been envious of Jester's influence for years. They never could stop the signal, but I guess they finally did convince the person producing the signal that the community wasn't worth the effort.
Funny what happens when a target of that much hate removes himself from the situation. The implosion when his detractors have nothing else to do with their time will be spectacular. |

Dave Stark
6064
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 16:27:00 -
[65] - Quote
Liese Shardani wrote:The implosion when his detractors have nothing else to do with their time will be spectacular.
not really, gevlon is still blogging. |

John XIII
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
199
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 16:34:00 -
[66] - Quote
Ripard,
You will always have a spot in our New Order enforcement fleets if you want to have some fun in EvE. Please follow the instructions HERE to get started.
Good luck to you! |

Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
671
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 16:35:00 -
[67] - Quote
Much hate hi probably did something right. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4671
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 16:43:00 -
[68] - Quote
Anna Karhunen wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:EvE's own NIgel Farrage is stopping his hateful blog?
You had a blog? I never knew.
How do you figure that, sportsfan? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
616
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 17:15:00 -
[69] - Quote
Yang Aurilen wrote:Who? I'm too busy pewpewing when I play eve to care. try GasX it works great. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4671
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 17:19:00 -
[70] - Quote
Kinis Deren wrote:Don't read too much into what Ramona and her ilk post here guys ..... their collective butt is still hurting from the whole Erotica thing. I think' New Order alts detected' applies to the rabble.
Please cite where I was butthurt about E1. Oh right I get it, if you dont agree with a witchhunt, you must be a bad person, gotcha.
Do you see a New Order badge on me?
And this is my main, you sebiestor mutant, whats your excuse? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
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Biomass Data
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 17:42:00 -
[71] - Quote
Malcanis you're the star. |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1946
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 17:48:00 -
[72] - Quote
*noms apfelstrudel* "try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
Show me on the doll, where I touched your inflated ego. :) |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4673
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 17:52:00 -
[73] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:*noms apfelstrudel*
Hey! See your sig? I got an almost identical EvE mail from Princess Lin!
Shes such a dear, looking out for us like that! "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |

Josie solo
Singular Motives
19
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Posted - 2014.06.01 17:54:00 -
[74] - Quote
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Ripard Teg wrote:I realize that a lot of you out there really want to keep New Eden as your own private little club, no noobs allowed, go back to WoW, et cetera ad nauseam. But some of you must feel differently. If you want the game to succeed, how do you not worry about it? Are we so enamored of griefing people that we subconsciously want EVE to flame out and die so we can sit down with some popcorn and watch it happen? In my darkest moments, I feel like this is exactly it. There are lots of current and former EVE players that seem positively gleeful at the prospect of watching CCP implode spectacularly. (Underlining is mine)
That premise is flawed, EvE has always been a free-for-all, and it hasn't imploded for 10 years. I would argue that the changes to curb 'greifer' activity in high sec will hurt the game more, as it's ruthlessness is a big part of EvEs appeal to many, many players.
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Thead Enco
47th Ronin
179
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Posted - 2014.06.01 17:55:00 -
[75] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Very very sad news, and a tremendous loss for the Eve community.
Godpseed sir.
It really is a "Tremendous loss" (Sarcasm)
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
-áTyrion Lannister |

Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1910
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 18:00:00 -
[76] - Quote
~Stuff~ I hope everyone voted in the CSM elections! Thank you to those who actually supported my campaign! Even if I don't get elected in, I hope that the CSM that do, and Devs actually use my ideas somewhere! |

Regan Rotineque
Arch Angels Assault Force The Kadeshi
337
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 18:01:00 -
[77] - Quote
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.
o7 Jester |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1632
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 18:21:00 -
[78] - Quote
Kinis Deren wrote:Haters gonna hate & it didn't take long for the usual suspects to comment on this post.
I agree with OP, this is a body blow to community provided content & Jester's Trek will be sorely missed - especially by those that are capable of independent thought. I wasn't going to post today but the irony of this statement...oh my.... Far be it from me to begrudge a man a pitchfork Blog but i think he ruined that for himself.
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10778
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 18:26:00 -
[79] - Quote
His blog was awful anyway Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1949
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 18:32:00 -
[80] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Haters gonna hate & it didn't take long for the usual suspects to comment on this post.
I agree with OP, this is a body blow to community provided content & Jester's Trek will be sorely missed - especially by those that are capable of independent thought. I wasn't going to post today but the irony of this statement...oh my.... Far be it from me to begrudge a man a pitchfork Blog but i think he ruined that for himself. Independent thought.
This is really hilariously ironic.
90% of the people around do not even know how to spot one, but will always believe they found one whn it agrees with their own POV.
Can we get this thread locked now? It lacks actual content. "try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
What an upstanding human being, isn't she? :) |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10785
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 18:37:00 -
[81] - Quote
let's face it jester's trek readers have about as much independent thought as climate change deniers Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

KaarBaak
289
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Posted - 2014.06.01 18:47:00 -
[82] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:
A lot of what he posted was complete rubbish. Many times he posted about events which was so far removed from the truth it was fantasy.
As for the rest, none of it effects anything that happens in game. Nothing in Eve as we know will change. Nobodies play style will change due him no longer blogging. No Alliances will fall, nobody will leave, subs will not dramatically fall, the world will not end.
Everything will go as normal.
Far more influential players have completely left the game and you know what changed.. nothing. Eve went on as normal. So please spare me the dramatics that some guy who has stopped his blog is a terrible event and we will all be worse off.
There are many who have contributed and whose actions have more effect on Eve then Ripard could ever dream of doing.
As for his term on the CSM, he even admits that his Blog was created in order to get him elected. Now he has been there and done that his blog no longer serves any purpose.
He is no longer relevant. (If he ever was to begin with)
^^This. Somebody is quitting EvE. Yawn.
KB |

Eleanor Wish
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.06.01 18:55:00 -
[83] - Quote
Another victory for the nullsec cartels! All hail our blue donut overlords! |

Marsha Mallow
846
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Posted - 2014.06.01 18:58:00 -
[84] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:or go in to any of the in-game channels that the 'griefers' frequent, and they'll be more than happy to help you as well. Or join the corp of griefers who wardecced your corp as noob, because they are awesome and got us out of the mission running grind and into the game. Not all griefers are 'reavers' and my god that 'eve is a griefing sandbox' article really does indicate it's time to stop.
Gl to Ripard anyway. There's nothing wrong with stepping back and doing what you enjoy. Not sure why you there's any need need to attention hoe about it. If he can't handle criticism of his inflammatory and frequently ill-informed remarks, probably is best to stop making them for a bit. Maybe if he starts actually playing the game rather than just commentating on it he'll restart the blog with less obvious bias.
Btw I need someone to become the 'Eve conscience' so I can report baddies to them for griefing. I'd like to nominate Ramona. Mainly because Ramonamobile sounds awesome and I can keep the sig. I'm sure you'd do an excellent job, please consider it. (I might pay. In Fedos.)
The hero we deserve... or summat TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2405
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 19:02:00 -
[85] - Quote
I've been putting this at the end of all the emails I send to gank victims:
Quote:Under certain circumstances you may be eligible for reimbursement for your loss. If you feel this barge destruction was improper, please contact Ripard Teg.
Kind of sad to see him go. Hope he helped some of the guys I killed. Until a new false savior of hisec arises, I guess I'll go with this for awhile:
Quote:Under certain circumstances you may be eligible for reimbursement for your loss. If you feel this barge destruction was improper, please contact DeMichael Crimson. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |

Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
115
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 19:12:00 -
[86] - Quote
Can we haz Erotica1 back plz now? *Snip* Removed trolling part of the post. ISD Ezwal. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. |

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
895
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Posted - 2014.06.01 19:14:00 -
[87] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I've been putting this at the end of all the emails I send to gank victims: Quote:Under certain circumstances you may be eligible for reimbursement for your loss. If you feel this barge destruction was improper, please contact Ripard Teg. Kind of sad to see him go. Hope he helped some of the guys I killed. Until a new false savior of hisec arises, I guess I'll go with this for awhile: Quote:Under certain circumstances you may be eligible for reimbursement for your loss. If you feel this barge destruction was improper, please contact DeMichael Crimson.
I love it!
I wonder if his involvement in crushing erotica1 has anything to do with him quitting the blog |

KnowUsByTheDead
1756
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Posted - 2014.06.01 19:26:00 -
[88] - Quote
There are a lot of ways I wanted to approach this...
But I think this will do...
Relevant.
All trolling aside, it seems that Ripard could not handle the "savior of high-sec" crown he attempted to grab.
Maybe is was the forum shenanigans, and the long list of "nicknames" and meme's made by our wonderful community. (I am looking at you Malcolm and Jonah...aw, what the hell, I am just as guilty. )
Maybe it was the hundreds of mails he was linked to for verification of the parameters of "torture."
But I now realize that he had thrown in the towel for other reasons.
His only accomplishment was abusing power to get a player banned. That's it.
Scamming didn't stop.
Ganking didn't stop.
Awoxing didn't conclude.
CODE. wasn't felled.
So I guess now the moral of the story is this...
You Ripard What You Sow. (Horrible pun absolutely intended.)
vOv
Good Fight, Rip. o7
  
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1634
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 19:29:00 -
[89] - Quote
IIshira wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I've been putting this at the end of all the emails I send to gank victims: Quote:Under certain circumstances you may be eligible for reimbursement for your loss. If you feel this barge destruction was improper, please contact Ripard Teg. Kind of sad to see him go. Hope he helped some of the guys I killed. Until a new false savior of hisec arises, I guess I'll go with this for awhile: Quote:Under certain circumstances you may be eligible for reimbursement for your loss. If you feel this barge destruction was improper, please contact DeMichael Crimson. I love it! I wonder if his involvement in crushing erotica1 has anything to do with him quitting the blog mmmm, kinda, becoming the laughing stock of the forums as a result will do that to you.
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

Kaylin Drake
Profound Destiny
22
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Posted - 2014.06.01 20:20:00 -
[90] - Quote
I've been reading his blog since I started playing over two years ago.. I will greatly miss him. I learned a lot from his writings and he always made me think. He certainly contributed to my continued interest in the game. I think losing his blog is a huge loss to the community to those of us who did read and enjoy what he had to say.
o7 Ripard Teg |
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Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2014.06.01 20:48:00 -
[91] - Quote
Kaylin Drake wrote:I've been reading his blog since I started playing over two years ago.. I will greatly miss him. I learned a lot from his writings and he always made me think. He certainly contributed to my continued interest in the game. I think losing his blog is a huge loss to the community to those of us who did read and enjoy what he had to say.
o7 Ripard Teg
You summarize the 200+ positive answers to his departing post. Without Jester's Trek, his enemies gain nothing and EVE as a whole losses. |

John XIII
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
203
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 20:53:00 -
[92] - Quote
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Kaylin Drake wrote:I've been reading his blog since I started playing over two years ago.. I will greatly miss him. I learned a lot from his writings and he always made me think. He certainly contributed to my continued interest in the game. I think losing his blog is a huge loss to the community to those of us who did read and enjoy what he had to say.
o7 Ripard Teg You summarize the 200+ positive answers to his departing post. Without Jester's Trek, his enemies gain nothing and EVE as a whole losses.
Not true. Another theme-parker skull is added to the emergent game play throne. |

Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1718
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 20:58:00 -
[93] - Quote
Met him at Eve Vegas 2013. Some people let their ingame persona leak out of the game. The guy was pretty taken with himself, and wasn't approachable to the normal Eve player, from my experience. I've followed some of his blog, and he's had some interesting articles, but Mike's blogpost about the three versions is a load of trash.
Ripard, Jester, or whatever... He let the game beat him as a person. He needed this break. RCC Executor-á| Twitter: @autoritare | [email protected] My Blog: http://diogenes-club.blogspot.com/ | The Diogenes Club |

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
898
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 21:00:00 -
[94] - Quote
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Kaylin Drake wrote:I've been reading his blog since I started playing over two years ago.. I will greatly miss him. I learned a lot from his writings and he always made me think. He certainly contributed to my continued interest in the game. I think losing his blog is a huge loss to the community to those of us who did read and enjoy what he had to say.
o7 Ripard Teg You summarize the 200+ positive answers to his departing post. Without Jester's Trek, his enemies gain nothing and EVE as a whole losses.
I did enjoy some of his posts... It's a shame he got involved in the whole E1 thing. He took down E1 but was his CSM position and the Jester's Trek blog a good trade? |

Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
3907
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Posted - 2014.06.01 21:05:00 -
[95] - Quote
So when is dinsdale going?
Riptard I do not care for. His post was drivel 90% of the time based on his ******** delusions of how something worked.
The only time I ever read anything is when somebody linked it in a channel going "OMG Look at this moron".
Why should anybody care that some random blogger aint posted any more?
With Kobol on this one.... EVE will keep turning, nothing of value was lost besides those mindless drones that ate his drivel as he puked it all over the internet. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10218
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Posted - 2014.06.01 21:08:00 -
[96] - Quote
Andski wrote:let's face it jester's trek readers have about as much independent thought as climate change deniers I heard climate change alarmists were unpatriotic racists. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10794
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Posted - 2014.06.01 21:18:00 -
[97] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Andski wrote:let's face it jester's trek readers have about as much independent thought as climate change deniers I heard climate change alarmists were unpatriotic racists.
i thought they were all part of a secret communist plot to dismantle god's own capitalist system Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
29
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 21:24:00 -
[98] - Quote
IIshira wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Kaylin Drake wrote:I've been reading his blog since I started playing over two years ago.. I will greatly miss him. I learned a lot from his writings and he always made me think. He certainly contributed to my continued interest in the game. I think losing his blog is a huge loss to the community to those of us who did read and enjoy what he had to say.
o7 Ripard Teg You summarize the 200+ positive answers to his departing post. Without Jester's Trek, his enemies gain nothing and EVE as a whole losses. I did enjoy some of his posts... It's a shame he got involved in the whole E1 thing. He took down E1 but was his CSM position and the Jester's Trek blog a good trade?
Well, I've been following him too and I feel that in the last year he's grown aware that EVE is in serious danger. He moved from being aware that something had to be done, to be enthusiastic about CCP having a plan, to doubting that CCP Seagull could make a change in the stagnating trend, and recently he's been struggling with the evidence that EVE has started decaying.
And of course, he's been taking a lot of flak about the E1 scandal. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4943
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 21:25:00 -
[99] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:Who is jester and why should anyone care? Who are you and why should anyone bother answering you?
If you had a female avatar I would kiss it.  Bring back DEEEEP Space! |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2799
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 21:38:00 -
[100] - Quote
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote: And of course, he's been taking a lot of flak about the E1 scandal.
People often catch **** over things they are responsible for creating.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
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Accidentally Myname
Myname Replacement Brokerage LLC
23
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Posted - 2014.06.01 22:13:00 -
[101] - Quote
Can I haz his stuff?  |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1439
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Posted - 2014.06.01 22:21:00 -
[102] - Quote
IIshira wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Kaylin Drake wrote:I've been reading his blog since I started playing over two years ago.. I will greatly miss him. I learned a lot from his writings and he always made me think. He certainly contributed to my continued interest in the game. I think losing his blog is a huge loss to the community to those of us who did read and enjoy what he had to say.
o7 Ripard Teg You summarize the 200+ positive answers to his departing post. Without Jester's Trek, his enemies gain nothing and EVE as a whole losses. I did enjoy some of his posts... It's a shame he got involved in the whole E1 thing. He took down E1 but was his CSM position and the Jester's Trek blog a good trade?
It was less about politicking and more of a personal crusade. I lost all respect for him during the whole erotica1 debacle. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

Marsha Mallow
855
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Posted - 2014.06.01 22:31:00 -
[103] - Quote
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Well, I've been following him too and I feel that in the last year he's grown aware that EVE is in serious danger. He moved from being aware that something had to be done, to be enthusiastic about CCP having a plan, to doubting that CCP Seagull could make a change in the stagnating trend, and recently he's been struggling with the evidence that EVE has started decaying. Eve has been decaying for a while, most notably in null. If Seagull caves to the highsec carping brigade there won't be anyone left heavily invested. This is the point critics keep missing. Nullsec has been dying a slow death for years.
Empire seems fine. The 40% raven grinders are all chirpy and flocking around demanding new content, ever more PVP immunity and really just an avalanche of the most pathetic whining ever seen in a PVP centric game. If you start a war between sandbox PVPers and themepark PVEers, fine. It's been going on since the game started. Utilising metagame tactics against a group more than able to fight back is probably a really bad idea though.
Dinsdale & co would happily gather round and cheer if CCP runs the game into the ground just to prove their point. I have a funny feeling CCP would build the bonfire themselves rather than cave in, just to prove theirs. That's a degree of integrity and resilience some will never fully understand or appreciate. And I bet it's very hard to sustain.
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:And of course, he's been taking a lot of flak about the E1 scandal. All he had to do to retain a shred of credibility in that fiasco was wait the 5 weeks until his term as CSM ended so he wasn't accused of exploiting it. I'll whip out my tiny violin and saw on it at some point (he is a likeable person) but not today. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
898
|
Posted - 2014.06.01 23:17:00 -
[104] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Well, I've been following him too and I feel that in the last year he's grown aware that EVE is in serious danger. He moved from being aware that something had to be done, to be enthusiastic about CCP having a plan, to doubting that CCP Seagull could make a change in the stagnating trend, and recently he's been struggling with the evidence that EVE has started decaying. Eve has been decaying for a while, most notably in null. If Seagull caves to the highsec carping brigade there won't be anyone left heavily invested. This is the point critics keep missing. Nullsec has been dying a slow death for years. Empire seems fine. The 40% raven grinders are all chirpy and flocking around demanding new content, ever more PVP immunity and really just an avalanche of the most pathetic whining ever seen in a PVP centric game. If you start a war between sandbox PVPers and themepark PVEers, fine. It's been going on since the game started. Utilising metagame tactics against a group more than able to fight back is probably a really bad idea though. Dinsdale & co would happily gather round and cheer if CCP runs the game into the ground just to prove their point. I have a funny feeling CCP would build the bonfire themselves rather than cave in, just to prove theirs. That's a degree of integrity and resilience some will never fully understand or appreciate. And I bet it's very hard to sustain. Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:And of course, he's been taking a lot of flak about the E1 scandal. All he had to do to retain a shred of credibility in that fiasco was wait the 5 weeks until his term as CSM ended so he wasn't accused of exploiting it. I'll whip out my tiny violin and saw on it at some point (he is a likeable person) but not today.
Why do you think Eve is dying or decaying?
The real question should be how did "Jester's blog and CSM is dead" topic change to "Eve is dying" ? I seriously hope Jester fans aren't suggesting that Jester is keeping Eve alive singlehandedly.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4691
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 00:15:00 -
[105] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote: Btw I need someone to become the 'Eve conscience' so I can report baddies to them for griefing. I'd like to nominate Ramona. Mainly because Ramonamobile sounds awesome and I can keep the sig. I'm sure you'd do an excellent job, please consider it. (I might pay. In Fedos.)
The hero we deserve... or summat
I would be honoured by such a thing lol
Ill certainly take it under consideration "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Marsha Mallow
862
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 00:26:00 -
[106] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:I would be honoured by such a thing lol
Ill certainly take it under consideration *gotcha*
Editing sig, redirecting all scrubs to you.
Ramona McCandless wrote: Do it again
Harder
CALL THAT A SLAP
HARDER ******
HARDER!!!
Don't steal my lines again. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |

Sato Page
BLOOGDORY
121
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 00:31:00 -
[107] - Quote
EvE is a grief fest where the only metric for victory is to grief your enemy so hard that they stop logging in, or even better, unsub.
The cold hard truth is that only a small percentage of eve's player base enjoy this CCP approved play style. Most player pay subscriptions only for CCP's worst in industry PvE/indy content. But CCP is too proud or arrogant to admit this.
Why did EvE enjoyed moderate success during it's early years? I can only say it's because the utter lack of competition in the space sim mmo market.
I believe EvE will become the new ultima online where the dedicated core player base eventually drive off all casual players. EvE will become that game that everyone talk about but nobody really want to play. The only missing piece in this grand scheme is the EverQuest in space.
Is eve dying? Yes.
But, I've stopped caring a long time ago. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10226
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 00:31:00 -
[108] - Quote
I'm highly amused at these people who think the E1 scandal only happened because Ripard wrote about it.
If he hadn't done it someone else eventually would have. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Lido Seahawk
Norr Amalgamated Industries
97
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 00:34:00 -
[109] - Quote
Well, love him or hate him, he's a damn good writer. One of the few blogs I read regularly. Hope he picks it back up someday.
Fly safe, Jester!
Can I have your stuff? |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4692
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 00:34:00 -
[110] - Quote
Sato Page wrote: The cold hard truth is that only a small percentage of eve's player base enjoy this CCP approved play style. Most players pay subscriptions only for CCP's worst in industry PvE/indy content. But CCP is too proud or arrogant to admit this. ]
Im probably being trolled...
But you say that most players pay good money to play a really bad industry model
So...
CCP isnt at fault, the players are, surely? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |
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Sato Page
BLOOGDORY
122
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 00:37:00 -
[111] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Sato Page wrote: The cold hard truth is that only a small percentage of eve's player base enjoy this CCP approved play style. Most players pay subscriptions only for CCP's worst in industry PvE/indy content. But CCP is too proud or arrogant to admit this. ]
Im probably being trolled... But you say that most players pay good money to play a really bad industry model So... CCP isnt at fault, the players are, surely?
Hey Ramona, thank you for your response.
I can only say it's because the utter lack of competition in the space sim mmo market. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4692
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 00:39:00 -
[112] - Quote
Sato Page wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Sato Page wrote: The cold hard truth is that only a small percentage of eve's player base enjoy this CCP approved play style. Most players pay subscriptions only for CCP's worst in industry PvE/indy content. But CCP is too proud or arrogant to admit this. ]
Im probably being trolled... But you say that most players pay good money to play a really bad industry model So... CCP isnt at fault, the players are, surely? Hey Ramona, thank you for your response. I can only say it's because the utter lack of competition in the space sim mmo market.
I hear what you are saying, but I dunno, if you liked industry and farming and crafting, is it that important that its set in space that you would pay for it even if its broken? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

D20 Rollings
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 00:45:00 -
[113] - Quote
This post was like throwing a troll net into a pokemon arena. You caught them all!!!! Hahahaha...EPICSAUCE |

Snupe Doggur
Republic University Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2014.06.02 00:47:00 -
[114] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm highly amused at these people who think the E1 scandal only happened because Ripard wrote about it.
If he hadn't done it someone else eventually would have. Never mind that E1 did it to *himself* by posting the evidence right here on the official forums. That was an amateurish faceplant, as was the habit itself. All but the dumbest criminals know that you don't repeat your modus operandi. The mayo fetish eventually got the better of him.
But apologists always attack the messengers when they fear to address the message.
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
900
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 01:14:00 -
[115] - Quote
Sato Page wrote:
Is eve dying? Yes.
Now just waiting for the huge subscription decline to back this up |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1951
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 01:19:00 -
[116] - Quote
D20 Rollings wrote:This post was like throwing a troll net into a pokemon arena. You caught them all!!!! Hahahaha...EPICSAUCE reminds me of IZ.
Ewww. "try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
What an upstanding human being, isn't she? :) |

Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
47
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 01:21:00 -
[117] - Quote
I like this blog better. Jester's Trek was fine, until that holy crusade against part of the EVE community started. Erotica 1 should never have been banned, and even Erotica's most notorious victim agrees.
In my years of playing EVE I have come to terms with being harassed, thieved, griefed, tempted into folly and stabbed to death in the dark. Face your fears. Accept your losses. It's what makes this game good. Rather than make EVE safer for new players while selling "BE THE VILLAIN" in advertisements, CCP may be better off re-designing the introduction of the game to reflect the harsh reality that makes it unique. It could caution players about some of the more unscrupulous tactics used by profiteers (like suicide ganking), and the bevy of scams that await them in the more active trade hubs (or anywhere for that matter).
On the other side of that coin you'll find some of the nicer people in this game will go out of their way to pick you back up on your feet, dust you off, and send you on your way. They may even mentor you and teach you how to be a loveable bastard, or teach you how to deal with (or evade) loveable bastards in an intelligent manner. But even in those cases, beware of those who will try to own your progress. They will steal your time and effort in more subtle ways.
Don't be intimidated by people who try to take the moral high ground. No one is superior to you, and you are not superior to anyone. We are all equal pieces of ****. And we are all amazing. If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request. |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3259
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 01:22:00 -
[118] - Quote
This was some good news to see this morning with my coffee.
But, he'll be back. He won't be able to help popping back with some ****** "Told you so ;-)" post when he thinks he was right about something.
Jester's most positive influence on the Eve community was getting dunked by CCP at the CSM summit, and told his desire for more carebearification would be harmful to Eve, based on their own metrics.
Sadly for him, I don't think he really believed it, he just started ranting about griefing and wardecs to get the highsec vote, and got locked into it. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
900
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 01:27:00 -
[119] - Quote
Hasril Pux wrote:I like this blog better. Jester's Trek was fine, until that holy crusade against part of the EVE community started. Erotica 1 should never have been banned, and even Erotica's most notorious victim agrees.In my years of playing EVE I have come to terms with being harassed, thieved, griefed, tempted into folly and stabbed to death in the dark. Face your fears. Accept your losses. It's what makes this game good. Rather than make EVE safer for new players while selling "BE THE VILLAIN" in advertisements, CCP may be better off re-designing the introduction of the game to reflect the harsh reality that makes it unique. It could caution players about some of the more unscrupulous tactics used by profiteers (like suicide ganking), and the bevy of scams that await them in the more active trade hubs (or anywhere for that matter). On the other side of that coin you'll find some of the nicer people in this game will go out of their way to pick you back up on your feet, dust you off, and send you on your way. They may even mentor you and teach you how to be a loveable bastard, or teach you how to deal with (or evade) loveable bastards in an intelligent manner. But even in those cases, beware of those who will try to own your progress. They will steal your time and effort in more subtle ways. Don't be intimidated by people who try to take the moral high ground. No one is superior to you, and you are not superior to anyone. We are all equal pieces of ****. And we are all amazing. I couldn't have put it better! |

D20 Rollings
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 01:29:00 -
[120] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:D20 Rollings wrote:This post was like throwing a troll net into a pokemon arena. You caught them all!!!! Hahahaha...EPICSAUCE reminds me of IZ. Ewww.
Did you find your skirt sweetie? |
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Seven Koskanaiken
the shadow plague Fidelas Constans
1271
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 01:35:00 -
[121] - Quote
Aiyshimin wrote:Who is jester and why should anyone care?
The Tipper Gore of Eve Online. |

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
6745
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 01:41:00 -
[122] - Quote
A blog... yeah so? EVE is DyingGäó?
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:a tremendous loss for the Eve community. Not really, only for the few that bothered with a blog. I'm not a very hiveminded person, and wouldn't attempt to speak for the whole of the EVE community as maybe you would. But personally it doesn't effect me one bit, and probably not many others either. Yes, call me a troll, as is the case with any that speak truth often endure.
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Lido Seahawk
Norr Amalgamated Industries
99
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 02:46:00 -
[123] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
The Tipper Gore of Eve Online.
This is unfair. Tipper Gore is no way, shape, or form, smart enough to play Eve. To compare anyone in this game to that bimbo is an insult against all of us. Take it back! Can I have your stuff? |

D20 Rollings
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 02:55:00 -
[124] - Quote
Lido Seahawk wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
The Tipper Gore of Eve Online.
This is unfair. Tipper Gore is no way, shape, or form, smart enough to play Eve. To compare anyone in this game to that bimbo is an insult against all of us. Take it back!
From Wikipedia
She attended St. Agnes (now St. Stephen's & St. Agnes School), a private Episcopal school in Alexandria, Virginia, where she excelled in athletics and played the drums for an all-girl band, The Wildcats.[2]
She played sports and beat on things. Here in 'merica, that's a celebrity. |

Michael Ruckert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
141
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 03:34:00 -
[125] - Quote
Jester had his 15 minutes of shame. "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier |

Felicity Love
It Was the Year 3030
1843
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Posted - 2014.06.02 03:35:00 -
[126] - Quote
... came expecting scathing commentaries, meaningless digressions and vast quantities of spank... and I still needed a doggie bag there was so much left over. 
"HTFU ! " -á--- -áKatee Sackhoff, aka "The F-Bomb Queen of EVE" ! !-á
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
720
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 05:00:00 -
[127] - Quote
Good riddance Rippard.
Please dont come back.
Concord Approved Trader |

Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
720
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 05:01:00 -
[128] - Quote
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Good riddance Rippard. Please dont come back. The community is better off without you 
Concord Approved Trader |

Billy Hix
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
168
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 05:20:00 -
[129] - Quote
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Good riddance Rippard. Please dont come back. The community is better off without you 
You forgot to change alts between posting? |

Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
720
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 05:25:00 -
[130] - Quote
Billy Hix wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Good riddance Rippard. Please dont come back. The community is better off without you  You forgot to change alts between posting? It was a double post #CCP
I expunged minimum effort to amend other than to express honest opinion Concord Approved Trader |
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Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
33
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 06:58:00 -
[131] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Well, I've been following him too and I feel that in the last year he's grown aware that EVE is in serious danger. He moved from being aware that something had to be done, to be enthusiastic about CCP having a plan, to doubting that CCP Seagull could make a change in the stagnating trend, and recently he's been struggling with the evidence that EVE has started decaying. Eve has been decaying for a while, most notably in null. If Seagull caves to the highsec carping brigade there won't be anyone left heavily invested. This is the point critics keep missing. Nullsec has been dying a slow death for years.
You have this game. 20% of your players get it right, stay for 4 years, then leave. 80% of your players never get it right, stay for 2 years, and leave.
Some claim that the way to improve the game is to make the 20% stay for 6 years rather than 4 (more better PvP) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to get rid of the 80% altogether (but CCP may disagree to downsize) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to lure the 80% into becoming part of the 20% so the split is like 70-30 or 60-40 (that's what CCP is attempting) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to provide the 80% with all they want and screw the 20% (but I never found anyone seriously claiming that) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to lure a new demographic who would rather walk an avatar than fly a spaceship so the game becomes 80+20+40 (but those are mostly dead) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to make the 80% stay for 4 years rather than 2 (more better PvE)
EVE is complex and there is no simple solution, and what all the above have in common is that they will rather kill EVE and sabotage each other than let anyone else save the game... |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10231
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 07:29:00 -
[132] - Quote
Yeah, those numbers look sound. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5170
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 07:45:00 -
[133] - Quote
Did I just read an informative Dinsdale post? Yes I did. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |

Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
892
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 07:52:00 -
[134] - Quote
Vaju Enki wrote: And nothing of value was lost.
I think the EVE Community is having a much needed discussion about what kind of people we want in our game.
I didn't mind Ripard so much when he merely kept it to whining about goons and gankers. But after what he did to Erotica 1, seriously - F that guy.
Hope he never returns and good riddance.
I don't even want his stuff. |

Dave Stark
6087
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 07:56:00 -
[135] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Did I just read an informative Dinsdale post? Yes I did.
kinda like calling EN24 informative.
it was just another repost. |

Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1427
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 08:22:00 -
[136] - Quote
And in other news, Senator McCarthy is battling alcoholism after losing credibility with his peers. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15742
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 08:28:00 -
[137] - Quote
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Well, I've been following him too and I feel that in the last year he's grown aware that EVE is in serious danger. He moved from being aware that something had to be done, to be enthusiastic about CCP having a plan, to doubting that CCP Seagull could make a change in the stagnating trend, and recently he's been struggling with the evidence that EVE has started decaying. Eve has been decaying for a while, most notably in null. If Seagull caves to the highsec carping brigade there won't be anyone left heavily invested. This is the point critics keep missing. Nullsec has been dying a slow death for years. You have this game. 20% of your players get it right, stay for 4 years, then leave. 80% of your players never get it right, stay for 2 years, and leave. Some claim that the way to improve the game is to make the 20% stay for 6 years rather than 4 (more better PvP) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to get rid of the 80% altogether (but CCP may disagree to downsize) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to lure the 80% into becoming part of the 20% so the split is like 70-30 or 60-40 (that's what CCP is attempting) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to provide the 80% with all they want and screw the 20% (but I never found anyone seriously claiming that) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to lure a new demographic who would rather walk an avatar than fly a spaceship so the game becomes 80+20+40 (but those are mostly dead) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to make the 80% stay for 4 years rather than 2 (more better PvE) EVE is complex and there is no simple solution, and what all the above have in common is that they will rather kill EVE and sabotage each other than let anyone else save the game...
Here's a list of MMOs that didn't die after abandoning their existing playerbase and design ethos to chase a new market by copying everyone else:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |

Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
282
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 08:51:00 -
[138] - Quote
Phoooaaw,
Look at all these big scary anonymous internet tough guys. Don't Panic.
|

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
6797
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 09:10:00 -
[139] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Well, I've been following him too and I feel that in the last year he's grown aware that EVE is in serious danger. He moved from being aware that something had to be done, to be enthusiastic about CCP having a plan, to doubting that CCP Seagull could make a change in the stagnating trend, and recently he's been struggling with the evidence that EVE has started decaying. Eve has been decaying for a while, most notably in null. If Seagull caves to the highsec carping brigade there won't be anyone left heavily invested. This is the point critics keep missing. Nullsec has been dying a slow death for years. You have this game. 20% of your players get it right, stay for 4 years, then leave. 80% of your players never get it right, stay for 2 years, and leave. Some claim that the way to improve the game is to make the 20% stay for 6 years rather than 4 (more better PvP) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to get rid of the 80% altogether (but CCP may disagree to downsize) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to lure the 80% into becoming part of the 20% so the split is like 70-30 or 60-40 (that's what CCP is attempting) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to provide the 80% with all they want and screw the 20% (but I never found anyone seriously claiming that) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to lure a new demographic who would rather walk an avatar than fly a spaceship so the game becomes 80+20+40 (but those are mostly dead) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to make the 80% stay for 4 years rather than 2 (more better PvE) EVE is complex and there is no simple solution, and what all the above have in common is that they will rather kill EVE and sabotage each other than let anyone else save the game... Here's a list of MMOs that didn't die after abandoning their existing playerbase and design ethos to chase a new market by copying everyone else: And I've got that list memorized  |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1957
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 09:26:00 -
[140] - Quote
D20 Rollings wrote:Lido Seahawk wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
The Tipper Gore of Eve Online.
This is unfair. Tipper Gore is no way, shape, or form, smart enough to play Eve. To compare anyone in this game to that bimbo is an insult against all of us. Take it back! From Wikipedia She attended St. Agnes (now St. Stephen's & St. Agnes School), a private Episcopal school in Alexandria, Virginia, where she excelled in athletics and played the drums for an all-girl band, The Wildcats.[2] She played sports and beat on things. Here in 'merica, that's a celebrity. This really is Infinite Ziona.
Hey guys, look who I spotted! "try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
What an upstanding human being, isn't she? :) |
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Rab See
Fool Mental Junket
72
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 10:49:00 -
[141] - Quote
Yes - it happens and comes to us all.
2 recent account retirements for me. Names I carried with me for 8 years doing nullsec and boy was it a blast. But null is so seriously blue and so heavily nap! Hey ho. I can scrape along with 1 char and an alt - Jesters Trek will be missed, I know what the 10% is. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4710
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 10:50:00 -
[142] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:D20 Rollings wrote:Lido Seahawk wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
The Tipper Gore of Eve Online.
This is unfair. Tipper Gore is no way, shape, or form, smart enough to play Eve. To compare anyone in this game to that bimbo is an insult against all of us. Take it back! From Wikipedia She attended St. Agnes (now St. Stephen's & St. Agnes School), a private Episcopal school in Alexandria, Virginia, where she excelled in athletics and played the drums for an all-girl band, The Wildcats.[2] She played sports and beat on things. Here in 'merica, that's a celebrity. This really is Infinite Ziona. Hey guys, look who I spotted! Hmm tempted to send you your own paranoid response, though Im sure you have your evidence like I have mine about that other thing.
Still, this one is not as vitriolic and hatefilled towards everyone yet, so that's probably why I havent seen it.
And yes, I appreciate the hypocrisy in calling anyone else vitriolic and hatefilled.
Its just what makes me so so sweet and loveable "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

ElSuerte Diego
Elysian. Heiian Conglomerate
1
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Posted - 2014.06.02 10:54:00 -
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Ripard was probably one of the best ambassadors for the game EvE Online ever had. Certainly better them anyone CCP has ever hired. His blog was one of the main things that kept me coming back whenever my interest started to wain. |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1958
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Posted - 2014.06.02 10:55:00 -
[144] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Hmm tempted to send you your own paranoid response, though Im sure you have your evidence like I have mine about that other thing.
Still, this one is not as vitriolic and hatefilled towards everyone yet, so that's probably why I havent seen it.
And yes, I appreciate the hypocrisy in calling anyone else vitriolic and hatefilled.
Its just what makes me so so sweet and loveable I remember Eternum from the past and although I didn't scan through his posts, he doesn't try to project domination onto everybody, like Salvos did.
This, otoh ... well ... besides the posts, one actually needs only to compare older portraits of IZ with this one.
I'll make sure to save a local copy...
"try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
What an upstanding human being, isn't she? :) |

Dave Stark
6090
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Posted - 2014.06.02 10:59:00 -
[145] - Quote
ElSuerte Diego wrote:Ripard was probably one of the best ambassadors for the game EvE Online ever had. no, he wasn't. not even close. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4710
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Posted - 2014.06.02 11:04:00 -
[146] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Hmm tempted to send you your own paranoid response, though Im sure you have your evidence like I have mine about that other thing.
Still, this one is not as vitriolic and hatefilled towards everyone yet, so that's probably why I havent seen it.
And yes, I appreciate the hypocrisy in calling anyone else vitriolic and hatefilled.
Its just what makes me so so sweet and loveable I remember Eternum from the past and although I didn't scan through his posts, he doesn't try to project domination onto everybody, like Salvos did. This, otoh ... well ... besides the posts, one actually needs only to compare older portraits of IZ with this one. I'll make sure to save a local copy...
Well, while I feel thats exactly what he was trying to do, having reread the OP fromt hat thread and his responses to those agreeing with him, Id have to say your right, but only because he can make sense and be relatively polite when he chooses.
In regards to AVs, yeah I understand, I have a few other suspects Im tracking in the same manner. "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
6854
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Posted - 2014.06.02 11:23:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:IZ  hmm.. I'm not sure. The posts lack the bad grammar and poor spelling... but then I didn't search too deeply. I mean there are some spots, but it seems more intentional and thought out, while less condescending in general. Well, if IZ does surface in some form, I don't think he/she will be able to conceal his identity for very long, certain meltdown given enough time.  Then we'll know 
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6656
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Posted - 2014.06.02 11:24:00 -
[148] - Quote
Webvan wrote:Solecist Project wrote:IZ  hmm.. I'm not sure. The posts lack the bad grammar and poor spelling... but then I didn't search too deeply. I mean there are some spots, but it seems more intentional and thought out, while less condescending in general. Well, if IZ does surface in some form, I don't think he/she will be able to conceal his identity for very long, certain meltdown given enough time.  Then we'll know 
I agree. Someone like that can only hide their illness for so long. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1961
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Posted - 2014.06.02 11:43:00 -
[149] - Quote
I want to add that you people mentioning this will make IZ aware of it, leading to changing her behaviour. "try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
What an upstanding human being, isn't she? :) |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4713
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Posted - 2014.06.02 11:53:00 -
[150] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:I want to add that you people mentioning this will make IZ aware of it, leading to changing her behaviour.
Observation may change the result
IZ is a quantum particle lol "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
6858
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Posted - 2014.06.02 11:53:00 -
[151] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:leading to changing her behaviour. I was careful with my quotes, but if we talk about it too much, we'll be discovered... hide! Oh, and if that were the case, it wouldn't be IZ  It would be like trying to defuse a live landmine under a tank tread 
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3485
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:09:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:I'm disappointed in you, I believed you might be one of those players that might have taken a greater interest in the game than just who was being braodcast as primary. Assuming you are not just trolling, of course. Wait, so if you don't like Riptard, then you don't take an interest in the game? He is one random guy with one opinion, an opinion which a lot of people tend to disagree with. HE's a fan of making it easy for the easy guys and diluting down the downsides to the point that we have wow is space. How is wanting to keep the parts of EVE that make it a tough game and give it it's unique flavour not taking an interest. I get that you like him, but that doesn;t mean that we all have to, and it certainly doesn't mean his opinions are more valuable or more correct that anyone else's.
Since his most recent claim to fame is abusing his position on the CSM to get rid of a single player he didn't like, his blog going into the trash is no loss to the game. It's just a shame all of his characters aren't following.
But I know right, my opinion differs to yours so I'm just a troll and/or have no interest in EVE. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1961
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:18:00 -
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Noobs. You don't really understand.
Fine.
*shakeshead* "try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
What an upstanding human being, isn't she? :) |

Prince Kobol
1832
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:24:00 -
[154] - Quote
ElSuerte Diego wrote:Ripard was probably one of the best ambassadors for the game EvE Online ever had. Certainly better them anyone CCP has ever hired. His blog was one of the main things that kept me coming back whenever my interest started to wain.
lmao.. I love these kind of posts
Please explain how he was an "ambassador" for Eve Online |

Prince Kobol
1832
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:25:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:I'm disappointed in you, I believed you might be one of those players that might have taken a greater interest in the game than just who was being braodcast as primary. Assuming you are not just trolling, of course. Wait, so if you don't like Riptard, then you don't take an interest in the game? He is one random guy with one opinion, an opinion which a lot of people tend to disagree with. HE's a fan of making it easy for the easy guys and diluting down the downsides to the point that we have wow is space. How is wanting to keep the parts of EVE that make it a tough game and give it it's unique flavour not taking an interest. I get that you like him, but that doesn;t mean that we all have to, and it certainly doesn't mean his opinions are more valuable or more correct that anyone else's. Since his most recent claim to fame is abusing his position on the CSM to get rid of a single player he didn't like, his blog going into the trash is no loss to the game. It's just a shame all of his characters aren't following. But I know right, my opinion differs to yours so I'm just a troll and/or have no interest in EVE.
This 100% |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1961
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:27:00 -
[156] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:ElSuerte Diego wrote:Ripard was probably one of the best ambassadors for the game EvE Online ever had. Certainly better them anyone CCP has ever hired. His blog was one of the main things that kept me coming back whenever my interest started to wain. lmao.. I love these kind of posts Please explain how he was an "ambassador" for Eve Online You never noticed that carebears always claim weird **** that lacks any actual substance?
And then the carebear gets told that he's wrong and that actual, real life data indicates that he has no understanding of how people work or what's good for the game.
Wow, that's some dent to the personality of a wannabe-good-person I'd never talk to, because they indeed are just wannabe.
People without substance, who see themselves as good. "try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
What an upstanding human being, isn't she? :) |

Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
417
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:56:00 -
[157] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:I'm disappointed in you, I believed you might be one of those players that might have taken a greater interest in the game than just who was being braodcast as primary. Assuming you are not just trolling, of course. Wait, so if you don't like Riptard, then you don't take an interest in the game? He is one random guy with one opinion, an opinion which a lot of people tend to disagree with. HE's a fan of making it easy for the easy guys and diluting down the downsides to the point that we have wow is space. How is wanting to keep the parts of EVE that make it a tough game and give it it's unique flavour not taking an interest. I get that you like him, but that doesn;t mean that we all have to, and it certainly doesn't mean his opinions are more valuable or more correct that anyone else's. Since his most recent claim to fame is abusing his position on the CSM to get rid of a single player he didn't like, his blog going into the trash is no loss to the game. It's just a shame all of his characters aren't following. But I know right, my opinion differs to yours so I'm just a troll and/or have no interest in EVE. This 100%
Nah, not even 1% right.
Congrats on the selective quoting in leaving out Prince Kobol's original question and my larger reply. I guess context doesn't matter to you in the slightest. But hey, this is EVE O GD afterall - the home of trolls and blowhards - my bad for thinking it might just be different in this thread vOv
Btw, who the **** are you again and why should I give a damn what a nobody thinks? |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18521
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:01:00 -
[158] - Quote
Kinis Deren wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:I'm disappointed in you, I believed you might be one of those players that might have taken a greater interest in the game than just who was being braodcast as primary. Assuming you are not just trolling, of course. Wait, so if you don't like Riptard, then you don't take an interest in the game? He is one random guy with one opinion, an opinion which a lot of people tend to disagree with. HE's a fan of making it easy for the easy guys and diluting down the downsides to the point that we have wow is space. How is wanting to keep the parts of EVE that make it a tough game and give it it's unique flavour not taking an interest. I get that you like him, but that doesn;t mean that we all have to, and it certainly doesn't mean his opinions are more valuable or more correct that anyone else's. Since his most recent claim to fame is abusing his position on the CSM to get rid of a single player he didn't like, his blog going into the trash is no loss to the game. It's just a shame all of his characters aren't following. But I know right, my opinion differs to yours so I'm just a troll and/or have no interest in EVE. This 100% Nah, not even 1% right. Congrats on the selective quoting in leaving out Prince Kobol's original question and my larger reply. I guess context doesn't matter to you in the slightest. But hey, this is EVE O GD afterall - the home of trolls and blowhards - my bad for thinking it might just be different in this thread vOv Btw, who the **** are you again and why should I give a damn what a nobody thinks? Speaking of nobodies, who the hell are you?
Nil mortifi sine lucre Never go full Ripard |

D20 Rollings
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:02:00 -
[159] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:D20 Rollings wrote:Lido Seahawk wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
The Tipper Gore of Eve Online.
This is unfair. Tipper Gore is no way, shape, or form, smart enough to play Eve. To compare anyone in this game to that bimbo is an insult against all of us. Take it back! From Wikipedia She attended St. Agnes (now St. Stephen's & St. Agnes School), a private Episcopal school in Alexandria, Virginia, where she excelled in athletics and played the drums for an all-girl band, The Wildcats.[2] She played sports and beat on things. Here in 'merica, that's a celebrity. This really is Infinite Ziona. Hey guys, look who I spotted!
You got me.... |

Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:02:00 -
[160] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Well, I've been following him too and I feel that in the last year he's grown aware that EVE is in serious danger. He moved from being aware that something had to be done, to be enthusiastic about CCP having a plan, to doubting that CCP Seagull could make a change in the stagnating trend, and recently he's been struggling with the evidence that EVE has started decaying. Eve has been decaying for a while, most notably in null. If Seagull caves to the highsec carping brigade there won't be anyone left heavily invested. This is the point critics keep missing. Nullsec has been dying a slow death for years. You have this game. 20% of your players get it right, stay for 4 years, then leave. 80% of your players never get it right, stay for 2 years, and leave. Some claim that the way to improve the game is to make the 20% stay for 6 years rather than 4 (more better PvP) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to get rid of the 80% altogether (but CCP may disagree to downsize) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to lure the 80% into becoming part of the 20% so the split is like 70-30 or 60-40 (that's what CCP is attempting) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to provide the 80% with all they want and screw the 20% (but I never found anyone seriously claiming that) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to lure a new demographic who would rather walk an avatar than fly a spaceship so the game becomes 80+20+40 (but those are mostly dead) Some claim that the way to improve the game is to make the 80% stay for 4 years rather than 2 (more better PvE) EVE is complex and there is no simple solution, and what all the above have in common is that they will rather kill EVE and sabotage each other than let anyone else save the game... Here's a list of MMOs that didn't die after abandoning their existing playerbase and design ethos to chase a new market by copying everyone else:
EVE is in no danger to change its course, frankly. CCP is already doing the right thing (in their view) and it's a matter of life or death to them, so there is no way they will change it.
Of course, I think that they're wrong and should do otherwise, but that just puts me in a large club of armchair game designers...
Whatever the future brings, I will be missing Jester's Trek and Ripard Teg's voice on it. |
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Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
417
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:07:00 -
[161] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:I'm disappointed in you, I believed you might be one of those players that might have taken a greater interest in the game than just who was being braodcast as primary. Assuming you are not just trolling, of course. Wait, so if you don't like Riptard, then you don't take an interest in the game? He is one random guy with one opinion, an opinion which a lot of people tend to disagree with. HE's a fan of making it easy for the easy guys and diluting down the downsides to the point that we have wow is space. How is wanting to keep the parts of EVE that make it a tough game and give it it's unique flavour not taking an interest. I get that you like him, but that doesn;t mean that we all have to, and it certainly doesn't mean his opinions are more valuable or more correct that anyone else's. Since his most recent claim to fame is abusing his position on the CSM to get rid of a single player he didn't like, his blog going into the trash is no loss to the game. It's just a shame all of his characters aren't following. But I know right, my opinion differs to yours so I'm just a troll and/or have no interest in EVE. This 100% Nah, not even 1% right. Congrats on the selective quoting in leaving out Prince Kobol's original question and my larger reply. I guess context doesn't matter to you in the slightest. But hey, this is EVE O GD afterall - the home of trolls and blowhards - my bad for thinking it might just be different in this thread vOv Btw, who the **** are you again and why should I give a damn what a nobody thinks? Speaking of nobodies, who the hell are you?
If you were anybody then ... oh wait, nvm ..... **** off back under your bridge vOv
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18522
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:10:00 -
[162] - Quote
Kinis Deren wrote:If you were anybody then ... oh wait, nvm ..... **** off back under your bridge vOv
I never professed to be anybody; as for my bridge, it's for sale, I'll even throw in a few goats if you wish to purchase it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre Never go full Ripard |

Prince Kobol
1834
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:12:00 -
[163] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:I'm disappointed in you, I believed you might be one of those players that might have taken a greater interest in the game than just who was being braodcast as primary. Assuming you are not just trolling, of course. Ripard Teg, the playing character behind Jester's Trek, was elected onto CSM 8 on a popular ticket that didn't require block votes. Indeed, his popularity was so high that he achieved the position of Vice Chair. Through Jester's Trek, Ripard kept everyone up to date with the goings on of the CSM on a weekly basis - something that has never been done before (afaik) and set a very high bar for CSM9 members to emulate. Through Jester's Trek, Ripard intelligently, diligently & thoroughly covered most aspects of life in EVE Online - he covered lots of the meta goings on, Quotes of the Week, Fit of the Week and produce many new player friendly guides. Jester's Trek wasn't just a blog, it was a magazine and reference document all rolled into one. The man was a blogging machine - he had the ability to post quailty content almost on a daily basis. There was even the occaisional sightings of his alter ego, Garth, who liked to comment on some of the more controversial aspects of the game and wasn't afraid to pull any punches. There was always something for everyone and this is why it will be missed. A lot of what he posted was complete rubbish. Many times he posted about events which was so far removed from the truth it was fantasy. As for the rest, none of it effects anything that happens in game. Nothing in Eve as we know will change. Nobodies play style will change due him no longer blogging. No Alliances will fall, nobody will leave, subs will not dramatically fall, the world will not end. Everything will go as normal. Far more influential players have completely left the game and you know what changed.. nothing. Eve went on as normal. So please spare me the dramatics that some guy who has stopped his blog is a terrible event and we will all be worse off. There are many who have contributed and whose actions have more effect on Eve then Ripard could ever dream of doing. As for his term on the CSM, he even admits that his Blog was created in order to get him elected. Now he has been there and done that his blog no longer serves any purpose. He is no longer relevant. (If he ever was to begin with)
Full quote and still awaiting a reply...... |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3487
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:14:00 -
[164] - Quote
Kinis Deren wrote:Nah, not even 1% right.
Congrats on the selective quoting in leaving out Prince Kobol's original question and my larger reply. I guess context doesn't matter to you in the slightest. But hey, this is EVE O GD afterall - the home of trolls and blowhards - my bad for thinking it might just be different in this thread vOv I responded to the relevant part. Your larger reply was no different. It's clear that in your opinion, Ripard Teg is someone that demands respect and lack of respect for him is in some way indicative of us disliking EVE. Let's face it, you are just upset because you think "Ripard is not 'some random guy'", but the fact of the matter is that he is precisely that. He's just some random guy. His opinion isn't elevated above all others just because you agree with him. I happen to think his carebear hugging desire to convert EVE into space WoW is hugely damaging to the game I've played for years, and his utterly disgraceful abuse of his position as a CSM member for his own personal vendetta strips him of any and all respect he has accrued.
Kinis Deren wrote:Btw, who the **** are you again and why should I give a damn what a nobody thinks? LOL, yes, I'm a nobody, but you aren't, right? And Ripard isn't either? Who decides who is and isn't a nobody? Who decides who's opinion is and isn't relevant? Opinions differ mate, so grow the **** up. If you can't handle the fact that Ripard isn't going to be globally accepted as a god just because you'd like to give him a reacharound, the exit is over there ->. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2810
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:49:00 -
[165] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote: LOL, yes, I'm a nobody, but you aren't, right? And Ripard isn't either? Who decides who is and isn't a nobody? Who decides who's opinion is and isn't relevant? Opinions differ mate, so grow the **** up. If you can't handle the fact that Ripard isn't going to be globally accepted as a god just because you'd like to give him a reacharound, the exit is over there ->.
Nobody you may be, but anyone who spends an appreciable amount of time on these forums knows your name.
***** Karen not so much. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4720
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:50:00 -
[166] - Quote
Kinis Deren wrote: If you were anybody then ... oh wait, nvm ..... **** off back under your bridge vOv
Witness the intellectual might of the sebiestor as it tries feebly to understand such concepts such as the fact other people may disagree with him and are not trolls.
DISBAND. used to be cool
What happened? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6574
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Posted - 2014.06.02 14:06:00 -
[167] - Quote
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
EVE is in no danger to change its course, frankly. CCP is already doing the right thing (in their view) and it's a matter of life or death to them, so there is no way they will change it.
Of course, I think that they're wrong and should do otherwise, but that just puts me in a large club of armchair game designers...
Whatever the future brings, I will be missing Jester's Trek and Ripard Teg's voice on it.
While I disagree with much you apparently believe (I won't be missing that Ripard guy at all), at least you have the sense to admit some very pertinent things that most other people would have lied about.
Like how EVE is business to CCP (a business they have preserved for for longer than very many others in the same business) and about how you are not a game designer (many many others, including Ripard, do act like they think they know how to design a game).
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1640
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Posted - 2014.06.02 14:58:00 -
[168] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Kinis Deren wrote: If you were anybody then ... oh wait, nvm ..... **** off back under your bridge vOv
Witness the intellectual might of the sebiestor as it tries feebly to understand such concepts such as the fact other people may disagree with him and are not trolls. DISBAND. used to be cool What happened? This is what happens when you teach them to read, seriously people, learn how to oppress a culture probably or stay out of the ******* slave trade. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1965
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 14:59:00 -
[169] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Kinis Deren wrote: If you were anybody then ... oh wait, nvm ..... **** off back under your bridge vOv
Witness the intellectual might of the sebiestor as it tries feebly to understand such concepts such as the fact other people may disagree with him and are not trolls. DISBAND. used to be cool What happened? This is what happens when you teach them to read, seriously people, learn how to oppress a culture probably or stay out of the ******* slave trade. properly*
And please don't copy my writing style. -.-'
Hey, I got a new hatemail from Priestess Lin. Another mighty and brave warrior! "try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
What an upstanding human being, isn't she? :) |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4725
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:00:00 -
[170] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote: This is what happens when you teach them to read, seriously people, learn how to oppress a culture probably or stay out of the ******* slave trade.
Who the hell allowed them to breed in the first place "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1965
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:04:00 -
[171] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote: This is what happens when you teach them to read, seriously people, learn how to oppress a culture probably or stay out of the ******* slave trade.
Who the hell allowed them to breed in the first place Your bio needs adaption. It makes every legitimate coward look like a winner too.
Can't be serious about this. "try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
What an upstanding human being, isn't she? :) |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4725
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:05:00 -
[172] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote: Your bio needs adaption. It makes every legitimate coward look like a winner too.
Can't be serious about this.
What? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1965
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:06:00 -
[173] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Solecist Project wrote: Your bio needs adaption. It makes every legitimate coward look like a winner too.
Can't be serious about this.
What? Sig. Edited post, but too late. "try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
What an upstanding human being, isn't she? :) |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4725
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:08:00 -
[174] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Solecist Project wrote: Your bio needs adaption. It makes every legitimate coward look like a winner too.
Can't be serious about this.
What? Sig. Edited post, but too late. Thats what I thought you meant
Still don't understand what you said
What is an illegitimate coward? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1965
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:27:00 -
[175] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Solecist Project wrote: Your bio needs adaption. It makes every legitimate coward look like a winner too.
Can't be serious about this.
What? Sig. Edited post, but too late. Thats what I thought you meant Still don't understand what you said What is an illegitimate coward? I guess I used the word in a wrong way.
Your sig puts the cowards into the same bucket as the smart ones. Not everyone who doesn't fight is a winner, unless you consider cowards and bigmouths as winners too.
The bigger picture. See it. Even if it somehow seems smart not to fight, in the end everybody around knows the person is just a coward.
Not trying is worse than trying and losing.
Lack of spine and dignity doesn't make people winners.
Trying though, does, in the long run. "try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
What an upstanding human being, isn't she? :) |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4725
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:34:00 -
[176] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote: (1)Your sig puts the cowards into the same bucket as the smart ones. (2)Not everyone who doesn't fight is a winner, (3)unless you consider cowards and bigmouths as winners too.
(1) As the sig says, knowing when not to put your hand in a blender is a sign of smarts
(2) My sig doesn't say "everyone who doesn't fight is a winner", it says that knowing when to fight and when not to makes you a winner
(3) I dont consider cowards and bigmouths to be the same thing or even remotely related
Solecist Project wrote:Not trying is worse than trying and losing.
Lack of spine and dignity doesn't make people winners.
Trying though, does, in the long run.
You do not understand "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1641
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:43:00 -
[177] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Kinis Deren wrote: If you were anybody then ... oh wait, nvm ..... **** off back under your bridge vOv
Witness the intellectual might of the sebiestor as it tries feebly to understand such concepts such as the fact other people may disagree with him and are not trolls. DISBAND. used to be cool What happened? This is what happens when you teach them to read, seriously people, learn how to oppress a culture probably or stay out of the ******* slave trade. properly* And please don't copy my writing style. -.-' Hey, I got a new hatemail from Priestess Lin. Another mighty and brave warrior!
Good catch, fixed. And no, Baiting the Roleplayers is a long standing and honorable pastime. The aim is to get one to break character.
And the quote in Ramona's Sig is about knowing the engagement envelope of your ship/fit, you might be mis interpreting it.
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4728
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:54:00 -
[178] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote: And no, Baiting the Roleplayers is a long standing and honorable pastime. The aim is to get one to break character.
And the quote in Ramona's Sig is about knowing the engagement envelope of your ship/fit, you might be mis interpreting it.
Ehhh mostly, but that's not all. But yeah you get it.
Also on this week's "Ramona"...
What's a character?
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Sasha Nyemtsov
Systems Administration and Control
2
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Posted - 2014.06.02 18:04:00 -
[179] - Quote
When a Jester Goes A-Wooing
Take a look at the title of Jester's final blogpost. No, I'll save you the trouble; 'No tank lasts forever'.
Trite, pompous, and sort of...weak? The last rattle, reluctantly cranked from a decidedly worn-out word-engine.
How about this cut, from a few lines further down? '..if enough people want your ship dead, it will die, and all the reps in the world won't help'.
Get it? Sure we do Jester!
When a blogger goes a-blogging about Eve Online, he needs to don his armour and sharpen his sword (thick skin, pen GÇô got it?).
Jester brazenly claims 'I've become something of a symbol', and then complains that, 'the people trying to kill the message have been trying to kill the messenger', without realising that if you are closely identified with a message, nay, you champion it, (Jesus, et al) GÇô you are very likely to become a personal target. Must say, I've not heard of anyone advocating killing Jester though; a slip of the pooped-out pen, no doubt.
Here's another gem; 'I know some of you don't like me'. This is taken from the paragraph in which Jester thanks and shouts out to devs, community members and CCP folks. It's unclear from which group come those who don't like him. Perhaps from each of them. But just read that phrase over to yourselves. 'I know some of you don't like me'..
Not a shred of tank left. Also...
Jester overheated his guns for just too long and, well.... Get it?
Sasha. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13866
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Posted - 2014.06.02 18:14:00 -
[180] - Quote
Oh noes... without the blog... how will the sheeple think?
"for themselves" is not an option.... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Revis Owen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.06.02 18:25:00 -
[181] - Quote
(Fearful cry) No . . . no . . . no! Who will save me now from being tortured by people . . . (less fearful). . . behind these pixels on my screen . . . (softer now) . . . in internet spaceships . . . (more softly) . . . "costing" me pretend money . . . (calmly now) . . . all on a computer I can unplug?
Hopefully, that puts the GAME in perspective for those of you who need it. We don't need, nor want, nannies in the sandbox, and the less we hear from Jester advocating that, the better. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6580
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Posted - 2014.06.02 18:32:00 -
[182] - Quote
I've never read much of the man's blog, just bits here and there when someone would link it. I had no strong feelings one way or another about the poster even after the Erotica1 affair. But now going back and reading what he wrote I get why some people are sayign they won't miss him lol.
One thing he said in that 'final' that always amuses me when i see it, the whole "nostalgia" reaction people have: Quote:Four years ago, EVE players were very much "Us against the world! Woo!" Now we've learned the rest of the world doesn't care and it's become "Us against each other."
Four years ago EVE players were every bit at each others throats as they are now. Hell, if anything, EVE Online is a kinder/gentler place that it's ever been. I see a lot of people saying things like this (ie "when i started playing there wasn't all that much scamming or suicide ganking" and "back in the day you could get a solo pvp fight easy, now solo pvp is dead").
It's not just a game thing. It's just how people are. There is something about aging that makes people forget that in many cases, the past was as crappy as (or crappier than) the present.
I'll be 40 in a few weeks and I met up with some old high school classmates at a bar not long ago. Most of us we Class of '92 but there were some '91s and '93s there too (my high schools alumni association hosts get togethers like this). The 2nd most notable thing about those get togethers is how much talk there is about how great things were back then and how crappy they are now.
( I say 2nd because the 1st most notable thing to experience there is the combined detrimental effects of 22 years time + having kids + getting divorce on what was a group of hot 1992 cheerleaders....... Funny how things go, 22 years ago those 'girls' wouldn't give me the time of day and now their acting like I'm Brad feaking Pitt lol , But I digress).
I stopped going because i was tired of arguing lol. I remember how badly we all wanted to be out of there, how hard it was going to college and getting jobs, even how dangerous it was (ours wasn't the nicest area to grow up in). But 22 years later they are convinced that we lived in some golden age and things (mainly 'young people') are just worse now, despite all the indications that things are better (lower crime and fewer people dying in violent crime in our neighborhoods, lower teen pregnancy rates, fewer people going to prision, more people going to college etc etc).
Many times people don't realize that their perceptions can be and many times are flawed and depend on factors not completely under our control , like aging , like our experiences, so forth and so on. Ripard Teg strikes me as one of these types. He thinks the game or community changed when the more likely event is that his perceptions of things have changed and he's noticing things now that didn't even register in the past.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4743
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Posted - 2014.06.02 18:58:00 -
[183] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:One thing he said in that 'final' that always amuses me when i see it, the whole "nostalgia" reaction people have: Quote:Four years ago, EVE players were very much "Us against the world! Woo!" Now we've learned the rest of the world doesn't care and it's become "Us against each other." Four years ago EVE players were every bit at each others throats as they are now. Hell, if anything, EVE Online is a kinder/gentler place that it's ever been. I see a lot of people saying things like this (ie "when i started playing there wasn't all that much scamming or suicide ganking" and "back in the day you could get a solo pvp fight easy, now solo pvp is dead")..
He clearly wasnt here five years ago if he believed that to be true
Joe Phoenix
That is all "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13871
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:03:00 -
[184] - Quote
By stopping the blog, he is torturing his fanbase.
The circle is complete.
I should write a blog about that. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4743
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 19:04:00 -
[185] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:By stopping the blog, he is torturing his fanbase.
The circle is complete.
I should write a blog about that.
That would be torture for us all ;) "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
28
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 19:06:00 -
[186] - Quote
Haedonism Bot wrote:Ironic that he criticizes the sense of disunity in our community, when he himself bears much of the responsibility for creating it, through his constant attacks against playstyles which aren't his own. Nevertheless, I do respect his willingness to stick his neck out and express unpopular ideas. It shows a degree of e-courage, even though his ideas tended to be unpopular for good reason (because they were terrible). I think he is making the right decision and I applaud him for it. Video games are supposed to be fun, and if this is no longer fun for him then it is time for a change. Still, though, I do feel some obligation to claim victory for the New Order against the greatest champion of bot-aspirancy that EVE has ever known. Victory for James 315! Death to his enemies!
That line is pretty tired. Come up with some original content for once. |

Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:09:00 -
[187] - Quote
Andski wrote:His blog was awful anyway
Profound insight! |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4745
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:14:00 -
[188] - Quote
Bayonnefrog wrote:
That line is pretty tired. Come up with some original content for once.
Cool content there bro, I see you practise what you preach real purdy like.
May I see your Posting Permit? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6667
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:16:00 -
[189] - Quote
Bayonnefrog wrote:Andski wrote:His blog was awful anyway Profound insight!
Says the NPC corp alt... "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2659
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:33:00 -
[190] - Quote
I think it's a little bit sad that this thread has devolved into a "screw you Ripard" fest.
For me I will miss having a place to go to read somebody else's opinions on Eve. Whether I agreed with them or not is almost irrelevant.
I don't think anybody can deny that R/J put out a lot of (blog) content and made a significant impact on the Eve landscape throughout his career, even if you disagreed with it. What he achieved was another piece of the finely woven tapestry of Eve.
At least he could write in coherent sentences. That put him a step above many people in this game.
I always think it lessens the richness of the community when someone stops contributing. Not that I blame him - far from it.
Aaaaaaand relax. |
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Dave Stark
6110
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:36:00 -
[191] - Quote
Jayem See wrote:I think it's a little bit sad that this thread has devolved into a "screw you Ripard" fest.
I don't.
I think it's more sad that people think we should have to fawn over him and say nothing but nice things just because he wrote a few paragraphs every so often on a blog.
It's not like people are pulling out the pitch forks and flaming brands and chasing him out of town. besides, he's better at that kind of thing than us anyway. |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2660
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:41:00 -
[192] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Jayem See wrote:I think it's a little bit sad that this thread has devolved into a "screw you Ripard" fest. I don't. I think it's more sad that people think we should have to fawn over him and say nothing but nice things just because he wrote a few paragraphs every so often on a blog. It's not like people are pulling out the pitch forks and flaming brands and chasing him out of town. besides, he's better at that kind of thing than us anyway.
Fair enough. Am not fawning over him. Just acknowledging someone who put a lot of time and effort into the game. Aaaaaaand relax. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4751
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 19:41:00 -
[193] - Quote
Jayem See wrote: For me I will miss having a place to go to read somebody else's opinions on Eve. Whether I agreed with them or not is almost irrelevant.
Uh... he wasn't the only blog in town
and the rest of GD and I will give you all the opinion you can stomach, no problem at all "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6667
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:43:00 -
[194] - Quote
Jayem See wrote: For me I will miss having a place to go to read somebody else's opinions on Eve. Whether I agreed with them or not is almost irrelevant.
I would then suggest either Bacon's blog, or Feyd's depending on how Hooah you are.
And there is always Minerbumping, which is both very well written and awesomely inspiring. Not to mention uproariously hilarious. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2661
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 19:48:00 -
[195] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jayem See wrote: For me I will miss having a place to go to read somebody else's opinions on Eve. Whether I agreed with them or not is almost irrelevant.
I would then suggest either Bacon's blog, or Feyd's depending on how Hooah you are. And there is always Minerbumping, which is both very well written and awesomely inspiring. Not to mention uproariously hilarious.
I'll quote you rather than Ramona (same point made.)
I read all of the above. I am not here with an axe to grind. I know you feel the need to dispute my post because :forums:
So yeah - crack on celebrating someone stopping contributing to the overall mess. Aaaaaaand relax. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4751
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:51:00 -
[196] - Quote
Jayem See wrote: I read all of the above. I am not here with an axe to grind.
Thats cool, welcome to the party then
Jayem See wrote: I know you feel the need to dispute my post because :forums:
What dispute? Just letting you know other sources of halfbaked opinion are available.
I recommend mine. SP's is good if you like dresses and Unsuccessful does a great line in scathing irony.
Jayem See wrote:So yeah - crack on celebrating someone stopping contributing to the overall mess.
Oh thank god, you are with us after all phew! "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1649
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:52:00 -
[197] - Quote
Jayem See wrote:I think it's a little bit sad that this thread has devolved into a "screw you Ripard" fest.
*deep breath* Well abusing you second hand sofa status to force an issue on your personal agenda by whipping up a particularly vicious frenzy that polarized the community and trivialized serious issues by comparison to digital activities while dragging some poor (if gullible) bloke into the middle of the aforementioned **** storm will likely to have that effect. *gasp*
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2661
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:53:00 -
[198] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jayem See wrote:I think it's a little bit sad that this thread has devolved into a "screw you Ripard" fest.
*deep breath* Well abusing you second hand sofa status to force an issue on your personal agenda by whipping up a particularly vicious frenzy that polarized the community and trivialized serious issues by comparison to digital activities while dragging some poor (if gullible) bloke into the middle of the aforementioned **** storm will likely to have that effect. *gasp*
God-forbid someone does something controversial in Eve  Aaaaaaand relax. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4753
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:57:00 -
[199] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote: some poor (if gullible) bloke into the middle of the aforementioned **** storm will likely to have that effect. *gasp*
He was in my Alliance at the time and we didnt get one single wardec over it **sniff** "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2815
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Posted - 2014.06.02 20:01:00 -
[200] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Bayonnefrog wrote:Andski wrote:His blog was awful anyway Profound insight! Says the NPC corp alt...
Well, Ripard did say he was going to set aside most of his other alts to partake of the 10% of EVE he still enjoyed. Stirring **** on the forums sounds like a winner to me. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2824
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Posted - 2014.06.02 20:03:00 -
[201] - Quote
Jayem See wrote: Just acknowledging someone who put a lot of time and effort into the game.
We're giving old Ripard a better send off than he ever gave the people he had a distaste for. That's for damned sure. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |

Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit Sanctuary Pact
30
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Posted - 2014.06.02 20:06:00 -
[202] - Quote
I liked his blog. Now I am a sad panda (tm). |

Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2014.06.02 20:08:00 -
[203] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Bayonnefrog wrote:
That line is pretty tired. Come up with some original content for once.
Cool content there bro, I see you practise what you preach real purdy like. May I see your Posting Permit?
Lolz. Triple U. Unfunny, uninspiring, and unreadable.
Please continue. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1651
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Posted - 2014.06.02 20:09:00 -
[204] - Quote
Domanique Altares wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Bayonnefrog wrote:Andski wrote:His blog was awful anyway Profound insight! Says the NPC corp alt... Well, Ripard did say he was going to set aside most of his other alts to partake of the 10% of EVE he still enjoyed. Stirring **** on the forums sounds like a winner to me. To be fair, that's still more engaging than 90% of the other online games by a fairly large margin. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2824
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Posted - 2014.06.02 20:11:00 -
[205] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Bayonnefrog wrote:Andski wrote:His blog was awful anyway Profound insight! Says the NPC corp alt... Well, Ripard did say he was going to set aside most of his other alts to partake of the 10% of EVE he still enjoyed. Stirring **** on the forums sounds like a winner to me. To be fair, that's still more engaging than 90% of the other online games by a fairly large margin.
Absolutely. It's all great fun, until it turns into a witch hunt. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4754
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Posted - 2014.06.02 20:12:00 -
[206] - Quote
Bayonnefrog wrote: Lolz. Triple U. Unfunny, uninspiring, and unreadable. Please continue.
Bayonnefrog wrote:...spiring, and unreadable.
Bayonnefrog wrote:unreadable
How can you tell its unfunny and uninspiring if its unreadable?
Also, plenty of others get a hoot out of my yukk-yukks
I guess you just dont know funny like I do
How many sebiestors does it take to install a shower?
As many as you can force into the small secure container at gunpoint!
BA DUM TISH "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1653
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Posted - 2014.06.02 20:17:00 -
[207] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote: How many sebiestors does it take to install a shower?
Depends on how much you pay for them. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
547
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Posted - 2014.06.02 20:27:00 -
[208] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Very very sad news, and a tremendous loss for the Eve community.
Godpseed sir.
Jester? |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4754
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Posted - 2014.06.02 20:29:00 -
[209] - Quote
Caviar Liberta wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Very very sad news, and a tremendous loss for the Eve community.
Godpseed sir. Jester?
Jester "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Next Zunn
Energy Industries Energy Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:07:00 -
[210] - Quote
"I like Jester"
"I don't like Jester"
- The entire thread |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4760
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:08:00 -
[211] - Quote
Jayem See wrote:God-forbid someone does something controversial in Eve 
But....
But..
If no one disagrees with it
Then how can it be
Contraversial at all? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4760
|
Posted - 2014.06.02 21:08:00 -
[212] - Quote
Next Zunn wrote:"I like stuff"
"I don't like stuff"
- All forums
FTFY "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10242
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:31:00 -
[213] - Quote
Domanique Altares wrote:Jayem See wrote: Just acknowledging someone who put a lot of time and effort into the game. We're giving old Ripard a better send off than he ever gave the people he had a distaste for. That's for damned sure. Really? Who'd he send off? Please do tell. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10242
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:35:00 -
[214] - Quote
No seriously though, stop pretending the E1 incident was all Ripard's doing.
If you want to blame someone for it, blame E1 himself. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3091
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:36:00 -
[215] - Quote
Jayem See wrote:I think it's a little bit sad that this thread has devolved into a "screw you Ripard" fest.
For me I will miss having a place to go to read somebody else's opinions on Eve. Whether I agreed with them or not is almost irrelevant.
I don't think anybody can deny that R/J put out a lot of (blog) content and made a significant impact on the Eve landscape throughout his career, even if you disagreed with it. What he achieved was another piece of the finely woven tapestry of Eve.
At least he could write in coherent sentences. That put him a step above many people in this game.
I always think it lessens the richness of the community when someone stops contributing. Not that I blame him - far from it.
It is very sad. I also note that in the past 10 pages that we have witnessed about the same 10 people being asshats posting over and over how much they hated him.
I wonder if those 10 have any affiliation with the westboro baptist group? They have the same level of hatefulness and intelligence. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2831
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:39:00 -
[216] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:No seriously though, stop pretending the E1 incident was all Ripard's doing.
If you want to blame someone for it, blame E1 himself.
I'm not pretending anything. Erotica 1 got himself banned.
Ripard, however, engaged in a completely unnecessary and purposeless witch hunt. Erotica had used quite enough rope to hang himself without Ripard going off and further embarrassing the other player, who ultimately admitted to not feeling all that victimized. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6672
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:39:00 -
[217] - Quote
Even for you, that's out of line, Dinsdale. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2831
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:41:00 -
[218] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Even for you, that's out of line, Dinsdale.
Nah, he'll get what he wants in a page or two. He can't have the reason this thread was locked listed as 'By OP request.' "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3034
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:50:00 -
[219] - Quote
Good riddance. Less slander on the internet is a good thing.
A pity that blog didn't end before it began. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10243
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:53:00 -
[220] - Quote
Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No seriously though, stop pretending the E1 incident was all Ripard's doing.
If you want to blame someone for it, blame E1 himself. I'm not pretending anything. Erotica 1 got himself banned. Ripard, however, engaged in a completely unnecessary and purposeless witch hunt. Erotica had used quite enough rope to hang himself without Ripard going off and further embarrassing the other player, who ultimately admitted to not feeling all that victimized. Okay, yes, that part I can agree with.
If it could have been handled with direct dialogue to GMs, that would have been preferable. I don't know if such a thing was a attempted. I never did because I had no direct evidence, only information that other people had posted. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1656
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:54:00 -
[221] - Quote
Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No seriously though, stop pretending the E1 incident was all Ripard's doing.
If you want to blame someone for it, blame E1 himself. I'm not pretending anything. Erotica 1 got himself banned. Ripard, however, engaged in a completely unnecessary and purposeless witch hunt. Erotica had used quite enough rope to hang himself without Ripard going off and further embarrassing the other player, who ultimately admitted to not feeling all that victimized. That is precisely my issue with him as well.
And dinsdale...bad form. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3506
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:57:00 -
[222] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:It is very sad. I also note that in the past 10 pages that we have witnessed about the same 10 people being asshats posting over and over how much they hated him.
I wonder if those 10 have any affiliation with the westboro baptist group? They have the same level of hatefulness and intelligence. L O L. Never change Dinsdale, your ability to spew garbage is truly spectacular. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2663
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Posted - 2014.06.02 22:06:00 -
[223] - Quote
ITT - lots of people get butthurt by someone who outmaneuvered them in the "metagame"
Works both ways occasionally. Aaaaaaand relax. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4764
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Posted - 2014.06.02 22:08:00 -
[224] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jayem See wrote:I think it's a little bit sad that this thread has devolved into a "screw you Ripard" fest.
For me I will miss having a place to go to read somebody else's opinions on Eve. Whether I agreed with them or not is almost irrelevant.
I don't think anybody can deny that R/J put out a lot of (blog) content and made a significant impact on the Eve landscape throughout his career, even if you disagreed with it. What he achieved was another piece of the finely woven tapestry of Eve.
At least he could write in coherent sentences. That put him a step above many people in this game.
I always think it lessens the richness of the community when someone stops contributing. Not that I blame him - far from it.
It is very sad. I also note that in the past 10 pages that we have witnessed about the same 10 people being asshats posting over and over how much they hated him. I wonder if those 10 have any affiliation with the westboro baptist group? They have the same level of hatefulness and intelligence.
Thats rather unkind.
Ive never said anything so horrible about you :( "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2663
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Posted - 2014.06.02 22:22:00 -
[225] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jayem See wrote:I think it's a little bit sad that this thread has devolved into a "screw you Ripard" fest.
For me I will miss having a place to go to read somebody else's opinions on Eve. Whether I agreed with them or not is almost irrelevant.
I don't think anybody can deny that R/J put out a lot of (blog) content and made a significant impact on the Eve landscape throughout his career, even if you disagreed with it. What he achieved was another piece of the finely woven tapestry of Eve.
At least he could write in coherent sentences. That put him a step above many people in this game.
I always think it lessens the richness of the community when someone stops contributing. Not that I blame him - far from it.
It is very sad. I also note that in the past 10 pages that we have witnessed about the same 10 people being asshats posting over and over how much they hated him. I wonder if those 10 have any affiliation with the westboro baptist group? They have the same level of hatefulness and intelligence. Thats rather unkind. Ive never said anything so horrible about you :(
Please don't repost me linked to a comment like that.
Aaaaaaand relax. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4765
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Posted - 2014.06.02 22:23:00 -
[226] - Quote
Jayem See wrote:
Please don't repost me linked to a comment like that.
Mine or his?
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2666
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Posted - 2014.06.02 22:28:00 -
[227] - Quote
His.
Not a great comment. Aaaaaaand relax. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4766
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Posted - 2014.06.02 22:29:00 -
[228] - Quote
Jayem See wrote:His.
Not a great comment.
Agreed. Ill go back and edit you out
Sorry, didnt mean to offend
EDIT: Done "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1659
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Posted - 2014.06.02 22:29:00 -
[229] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Jayem See wrote:
Please don't repost me linked to a comment like that.
Mine or his? Dinsdale's. There a reason I didn't quote it. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2666
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Posted - 2014.06.02 22:32:00 -
[230] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Jayem See wrote:His.
Not a great comment. Agreed. Ill go back and edit you out Sorry, didnt mean to offend
Ty - appreciated. Aaaaaaand relax. |
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Circumstantial Evidence
122
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Posted - 2014.06.03 00:03:00 -
[231] - Quote
Jester / Ripard is a good, literate writer even if people didn't agree with all the messages.
Every time a literate writer hangs up the pen, EVE dies a little. Because if people aren't writing about you (EVE) then... your (EVE's) mind-share relevance - decreases. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6676
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Posted - 2014.06.03 00:08:00 -
[232] - Quote
Circumstantial Evidence wrote:Jester / Ripard is a good, literate writer even if people didn't agree with all the messages.
Every time a literate writer hangs up the pen, EVE dies a little. Because if people aren't writing about you (EVE) then... your (EVE's) mind-share relevance - decreases.
Psh.
Content is not irrelevant. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2014.06.03 00:51:00 -
[233] - Quote
Liese Shardani wrote:A few people have been envious of Jester's influence for years. They never could stop the signal, but I guess they finally did convince the person producing the signal that the community wasn't worth the effort.
Funny what happens when a target of that much hate removes himself from the situation. The implosion when his detractors have nothing else to do with their time will be spectacular. Pfft...
Melodramatic drivel....The only "spectacular" thing here is my farts...you envious yet? |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4776
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Posted - 2014.06.03 01:25:00 -
[234] - Quote
Circumstantial Evidence wrote:Jester / Ripard is a good, literate writer even if people didn't agree with all the messages.
Every time a literate writer hangs up the pen, EVE dies a little. Because if people aren't writing about you (EVE) then... your (EVE's) mind-share relevance - decreases.
I hope everyone would love/hate me as much if I did start the Ramonamobile, as was suggested to me before
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Circumstantial Evidence
123
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Posted - 2014.06.03 01:29:00 -
[235] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Psh.
Content is not irrelevant. Would you call "Fit of the Week" posts irrelevant? That was probably the most non-political writing he did, good discussion fodder for all EVE players, newbies and pro's alike. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4776
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Posted - 2014.06.03 01:34:00 -
[236] - Quote
Circumstantial Evidence wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Psh.
Content is not irrelevant. Would you call "Fit of the Week" posts irrelevant? That was probably the most non-political writing he did, good discussion fodder for all EVE players, newbies and pro's alike.
Must be opposite day "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2014.06.03 06:38:00 -
[237] - Quote
308 comments so far, of which 99% are positive. The closure of Jester's Trek has set a milestone of unconceivable agreement on something related to EVE. 
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2413
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Posted - 2014.06.03 07:28:00 -
[238] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:It is very sad. I also note that in the past 10 pages that we have witnessed about the same 10 people being asshats posting over and over how much they hated him.
I wonder if those 10 have any affiliation with the westboro baptist group? They have the same level of hatefulness and intelligence. L O L. Never change Dinsdale, your ability to spew garbage is truly spectacular.
This is why I suspect he may be a goon alt, set up so that the rest of the goons have something to post about  This is not a signature. |

Dave Stark
6120
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Posted - 2014.06.03 07:57:00 -
[239] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No seriously though, stop pretending the E1 incident was all Ripard's doing.
If you want to blame someone for it, blame E1 himself. I'm not pretending anything. Erotica 1 got himself banned. Ripard, however, engaged in a completely unnecessary and purposeless witch hunt. Erotica had used quite enough rope to hang himself without Ripard going off and further embarrassing the other player, who ultimately admitted to not feeling all that victimized. Okay, yes, that part I can agree with. If it could have been handled with direct dialogue to GMs, that would have been preferable. I don't know if such a thing was attempted. I never did because I had no direct evidence, only information that other people had posted.
previous bonus rooms of E1s had had GM intervention. if i'm not mistaken (which, i may be) the GMs reimbursed all of the lost SP after constant podding when the owner of the account apparently blamed it on his brother.
http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/11/my-brother-did-it-part-2.html wrote:Heavy Rayne petitioned CCP, claiming his brother had accessed his account and gotten himself podded. CCP didn't return the money/assets that had been transferred to Erotica 1, but despite it being against the rules to share accounts, CCP was surprisingly receptive to the "my brother did it" excuse. The Heavy Rayne API revealed that CCP restored all of the lost skillpoints to the Heavy Rayne character! I think E1 made a thread in c&p about it too, but it's not in his first 35 pages of posting history unlike that link being on page 1 of google.
until ripard started the witch hunt, ccp seemed perfectly ok with what he was doing. E1 getting banned only happened because ripard kicked up a fuss about it. or conversely, it only took E1 that long to get banned because CCP didn't bother enforcing their own rules. whichever you'd rather. it still remains that CCP knew exactly what E1 was doing, and let him carry on with it. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2413
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Posted - 2014.06.03 08:05:00 -
[240] - Quote
If indeed it is the case that Jester managed to get Ero banned on a personal whim, then to be honest, I am mightily impressed.
It was the ultimate gank really, and Jester should be congratulated not damned for his action.
Of course, we all know that Ero got Ero banned. This is not a signature. |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1779
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Posted - 2014.06.03 08:12:00 -
[241] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If indeed it is the case that Jester managed to get Ero banned on a personal whim, then to be honest, I am mightily impressed.
It was the ultimate gank really, and Jester should be congratulated not damned for his action.
Of course, we all know that Ero got Ero banned. The only thing he achieved was to push it underground.
The player is still playing and bonus rooms are still running.
There's just much less information on them now and much less warning material available to players that believe ISK doubling could be legit.
Not a great outcome really. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Gregor Parud
555
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Posted - 2014.06.03 08:17:00 -
[242] - Quote
This thread is full of butt hurt Erotica/CODE groupies and alts, it's hilarious. Sad to see Jester's quitting (to some degree) but on the up side; taking a break and (partially) burning a few bridges is the best way to recuperate from a burn out. You can't ever quit EVE but it sure is wholesome to go cold turkey once in a while.
Just like pruning membership to get rid of the unwanted, having a good look at what you're actually (mostly out of habit) doing and getting rid of the activities that aren't giving you what you're looking for (or drain too much energy) is good. |

DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
283
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Posted - 2014.06.03 08:29:00 -
[243] - Quote
Just great.
Now I have to find someone new to send the carebears to when they get upset that I blew up their mining barge after they get all angry and demand I replace their ship.
Before this I could just say "Ripard Teg handles all cases of bullying and will replace your ship and give you ISK, just contact him for replacement."
Now I have to find someone new to run my ship replacement program. Anyone up to the job? |

Dave Stark
6120
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Posted - 2014.06.03 08:36:00 -
[244] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:This thread is full of butt hurt Erotica/CODE groupies and alts, it's hilarious. considering it was the only noteworthy thing that he ever did; what else were we meant to discuss in a ripard thread? |

Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
285
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Posted - 2014.06.03 09:07:00 -
[245] - Quote
Andski wrote:His blog was awful anyway
Jester did a lot the the EVE playerbase. What have you ever contributed apart from snide one-liners? Don't Panic.
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Prince Kobol
1855
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Posted - 2014.06.03 09:27:00 -
[246] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote:Andski wrote:His blog was awful anyway Jester did a lot the the EVE playerbase. What have you ever contributed apart from snide one-liners?
What did he do?
Lots of people keep saying he was an ambassador or that he did lots for the EVE Player base but they never explain exactly what he did.
So please tell everybody, what did he do that helped / aided / enriched / Improved our game? |

Dave Stark
6122
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Posted - 2014.06.03 09:38:00 -
[247] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:Andski wrote:His blog was awful anyway Jester did a lot the the EVE playerbase. What have you ever contributed apart from snide one-liners? What did he do? Lots of people keep saying he was an ambassador or that he did lots for the EVE Player base but they never explain exactly what he did. So please tell everybody, what did he do that helped / aided / enriched / Improved our game?
he lowered the player count by at least 1 making it easier to get in/out of jita! |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3511
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Posted - 2014.06.03 09:48:00 -
[248] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:until ripard started the witch hunt, ccp seemed perfectly ok with what he was doing. E1 getting banned only happened because ripard kicked up a fuss about it. or conversely, it only took E1 that long to get banned because CCP didn't bother enforcing their own rules. whichever you'd rather. it still remains that CCP knew exactly what E1 was doing, and let him carry on with it. This. Many times over.
The suggestion that CCP was unaware, and Riptard brought it to their attention, which all the Riptard fanboys like to believe is nonsense. CCP knew and CCP intervened in some aspects, but always allowed the bonus rooms to continue. Then Ripard starts up a witch hunt, throwing around ludicrous accusations of torture, which even the victim himself disputes, and it forces CCP to step in to stop the bad press regardless of the facts. It's like when a celebrity is accused of a crime they didn't commit and they settle it out of court. They didn't do anything, but the bad press from the accusation alone would be more damaging.
In the same way, CCP did nothing for over a year, even when there's clear evidence of their involvement from GMs and even comments from a dev or two in threads. Clearly the only thing that made them act was Riptard making outrageous accusations and wildly publicising them while in a position of power. He abused his position to force CCP to take action against an individual he personally disliked. Disgusting. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Gregor Parud
555
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Posted - 2014.06.03 10:10:00 -
[249] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Dave Stark wrote:until ripard started the witch hunt, ccp seemed perfectly ok with what he was doing. E1 getting banned only happened because ripard kicked up a fuss about it. or conversely, it only took E1 that long to get banned because CCP didn't bother enforcing their own rules. whichever you'd rather. it still remains that CCP knew exactly what E1 was doing, and let him carry on with it. This. Many times over. The suggestion that CCP was unaware, and Riptard brought it to their attention, which all the Riptard fanboys like to believe is nonsense. CCP knew and CCP intervened in some aspects, but always allowed the bonus rooms to continue. Then Ripard starts up a witch hunt, throwing around ludicrous accusations of torture, which even the victim himself disputes, and it forces CCP to step in to stop the bad press regardless of the facts. It's like when a celebrity is accused of a crime they didn't commit and they settle it out of court. They didn't do anything, but the bad press from the accusation alone would be more damaging. In the same way, CCP did nothing for over a year, even when there's clear evidence of their involvement from GMs and even comments from a dev or two in threads. Clearly the only thing that made them act was Riptard making outrageous accusations and wildly publicising them while in a position of power. He abused his position to force CCP to take action against an individual he personally disliked. Disgusting.
Ok so Icarna happened and CCP fully well knew they weren't going to put effort into EVE itself for 18 months. According to your... logic the people who started raging and shooting monuments about it were the problem and we should have just let CCP (the lumbering, blind and mostly incompetent hulk) do as they wanted.
Never raise your voice people, your owners and leaders know what's best for you. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6684
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Posted - 2014.06.03 10:18:00 -
[250] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote: Never raise your voice people, your owners and leaders know what's best for you.
Being deliberately obtuse just lets the rest of us know that you're losing. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
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Marsha Mallow
872
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Posted - 2014.06.03 10:22:00 -
[251] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:I hope everyone would love/hate me as much if I did start the Ramonamobile, as was suggested to me before I'm thinking of starting a blog. Not to write anything, because I can't be bothered. I'll just stick up a space for people to post their sob stories then ask for their stuff. Title something like "EvE Counselling Service" with the tagline "Feel violated / harassed / emotional? GOOD. Stuff to me, there's the door". Then I can get people to yell to the Marshamobile.
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:308 comments so far, of which 99% are positive. The closure of Jester's Trek has set a milestone of unconceivable agreement on something related to EVE.  Of course the comments will be overwhelmingly positive on the blog. Even critics - if they are reasonable - don't particularly like to see players burn out and start restricting their interraction. Only the most petty will go on there and remark negatively. It's not 308 positive comments here though is it, and GD only represents a fraction of the playerbase. We know Ripard is popular based on his CSM election results. So is the Mittani & Gevlon to certain groups so not sure what that proves, other than that a variety of people can gain support regardless of their position.
Pay attention to this comment, it suggests Ripard managed to annoy some members of CCP in a similar way to people here. I wonder how.
Quote:To the game developers, community members, and just flat folk at CCP, thank you! We didn't always agree and I know some of you don't like me, but everything I said was said out of love and respect for your game and your work. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3515
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Posted - 2014.06.03 10:27:00 -
[252] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Ok so Icarna happened and CCP fully well knew they weren't going to put effort into EVE itself for 18 months. According to your... logic the people who started raging and shooting monuments about it were the problem and we should have just let CCP (the lumbering, blind and mostly incompetent hulk) do as they wanted.
Never raise your voice people, your owners and leaders know what's best for you. People raising their voice is one thing. A single member of the CSM abusing his position of power is another. Bear in mind that the incarna situation you are talking about involved thousands of players pushing for a change. The Riptard situation was a single CSM member stiring up the wrath of a bunch of his diehard followers, to eject a player he personally hated from the game. You need a basic education if you can't spot the distinction between the two. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Prince Kobol
1858
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Posted - 2014.06.03 10:37:00 -
[253] - Quote
You see, I disliked what E1 was doing however it was plain to me that CCP were well aware of what was going on and were okay with it.
Most people who knew anything about E1 knew what he was doing.
It was nothing new.
The easiest way to deal with somebody like E1 is simply not to play his game. If nobody plays his game then it stops, it was that simple.
If people chose to play his game then more fool them.
Then comes along Riptard and uses his position on the CSM to create a carefully planned storm by making number of well over the top incendiary comments to maximised the outrage to get 1 person he did not like banned.
Whether you liked E1 or not, the fact is Riptard abused his position on the CSM to settle a personal vendetta. Some may say CCP didn't have to do anything to E1 but considering the amount of outrage being expressed and that it had appeared on a few external gaming news sites, CCP had no choice.
Riptard put CCP in a no win situation.
So yeah, boo hoo that somebody who abused his position on the CSM to get 1 person banned has stopped his crappy blog.
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Dave Stark
6124
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Posted - 2014.06.03 10:39:00 -
[254] - Quote
it's apples and oranges.
you can't compare game development to enforcement of rules, the two simply don't marry up. |

Gregor Parud
555
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Posted - 2014.06.03 10:55:00 -
[255] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Ok so Icarna happened and CCP fully well knew they weren't going to put effort into EVE itself for 18 months. According to your... logic the people who started raging and shooting monuments about it were the problem and we should have just let CCP (the lumbering, blind and mostly incompetent hulk) do as they wanted.
Never raise your voice people, your owners and leaders know what's best for you. People raising their voice is one thing. A single member of the CSM abusing his position of power is another. Bear in mind that the incarna situation you are talking about involved thousands of players pushing for a change. The Riptard situation was a single CSM member stiring up the wrath of a bunch of his diehard followers, to eject a player he personally hated from the game. You need a basic education if you can't spot the distinction between the two.
Yes, CSM members have full control over what CCP does and thinks, also he's the only CSM member so he alone gets to say where CCP goes. There's not other CSM member who, if necessary, could oppose his position and at no point does CCP have the option to ignore what that single CSM member has to say.
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Prince Kobol
1860
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:11:00 -
[256] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Ok so Icarna happened and CCP fully well knew they weren't going to put effort into EVE itself for 18 months. According to your... logic the people who started raging and shooting monuments about it were the problem and we should have just let CCP (the lumbering, blind and mostly incompetent hulk) do as they wanted.
Never raise your voice people, your owners and leaders know what's best for you. People raising their voice is one thing. A single member of the CSM abusing his position of power is another. Bear in mind that the incarna situation you are talking about involved thousands of players pushing for a change. The Riptard situation was a single CSM member stiring up the wrath of a bunch of his diehard followers, to eject a player he personally hated from the game. You need a basic education if you can't spot the distinction between the two. Yes, CSM members have full control over what CCP does and thinks, also he's the only CSM member so he alone gets to say where CCP goes. There's not other CSM member who, if necessary, could oppose his position and at no point does CCP have the option to ignore what that single CSM member has to say.
Unfortunately we will never the full truth of what happened between Riptard and CCP in regards to E1 because of the NDA.
One can presume that he approached CCP and the CSM over the matter and both parties decided that no action was needed.
Riptard then in a fit of self importance decided that he would take matters in his own hand and started his personal crusade against to get 1 person banned knowing that at the time with his position on the CSM the blog would get more coverage then usual.
Of course he may of never approached CCP and the other CSM members over the matter but I do find that difficult to believe.
Either way the second he posted his blog it ceased to be a matter between CCP and the CSM. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:13:00 -
[257] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote: Yes, CSM members have full control over what CCP does and thinks, also he's the only CSM member so he alone gets to say where CCP goes. There's not other CSM member who, if necessary, could oppose his position and at no point does CCP have the option to ignore what that single CSM member has to say.
You have now switched from being deliberately obtuse to using considerable hyperbole. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3516
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:14:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Yes, CSM members have full control over what CCP does and thinks, also he's the only CSM member so he alone gets to say where CCP goes. There's not other CSM member who, if necessary, could oppose his position and at no point does CCP have the option to ignore what that single CSM member has to say. Lol, seriously guy, is this what you are going with? Of course CSM members can disagree with CCP, but they have a direct line of communication with which to do so. What I haven't seen a surviving CSM member do is ignore all protocol and start hurling around wild accusations, making them as public as possible and getting all their little fanboys to jump up and down about. If he wanted CCP to act he should have stated his case to CCP, not forced them into action by publicly announcing from his position of power "CCP allows torture" and other completely absurd accusations.
Can you seriously not see the difference between what he did and what any other normal CSM member does when they disagree with CCP (you know, take it up directly with CCP)? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
286
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:26:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No seriously though, stop pretending the E1 incident was all Ripard's doing.
If you want to blame someone for it, blame E1 himself. I'm not pretending anything. Erotica 1 got himself banned. Ripard, however, engaged in a completely unnecessary and purposeless witch hunt. Erotica had used quite enough rope to hang himself without Ripard going off and further embarrassing the other player, who ultimately admitted to not feeling all that victimized. Okay, yes, that part I can agree with. If it could have been handled with direct dialogue to GMs, that would have been preferable. I don't know if such a thing was attempted. I never did because I had no direct evidence, only information that other people had posted.
Most likely that if Ripard hadn't become involved, CCP would have brushed it all under the carpet. As is their habit. Don't Panic.
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Prince Kobol
1860
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:31:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No seriously though, stop pretending the E1 incident was all Ripard's doing.
If you want to blame someone for it, blame E1 himself. I'm not pretending anything. Erotica 1 got himself banned. Ripard, however, engaged in a completely unnecessary and purposeless witch hunt. Erotica had used quite enough rope to hang himself without Ripard going off and further embarrassing the other player, who ultimately admitted to not feeling all that victimized. Okay, yes, that part I can agree with. If it could have been handled with direct dialogue to GMs, that would have been preferable. I don't know if such a thing was attempted. I never did because I had no direct evidence, only information that other people had posted. Most likely that if Ripard hadn't become involved, CCP would have brushed it all under the carpet. As is their habit.
How can CCP brush something which we already knew about under the carpet?
It wasn't like E1 was hiding what he was doing. Hell he was talking about in game, all over various forums, he even got kicked from his alliance because he was **** posting about what he was doing.
Lots of people knew a long time before Riptarg got all angry about it, it just most people couldn't care including CCP and the CSM.
So again I ask you, how can CCP sweep something which was already in the public domain under the carpet? |
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Dave Stark
6127
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:35:00 -
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why would you even need to brush a scam under the carpet? they're ten a penny. this is eve. |

Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
286
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:38:00 -
[262] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No seriously though, stop pretending the E1 incident was all Ripard's doing.
If you want to blame someone for it, blame E1 himself. I'm not pretending anything. Erotica 1 got himself banned. Ripard, however, engaged in a completely unnecessary and purposeless witch hunt. Erotica had used quite enough rope to hang himself without Ripard going off and further embarrassing the other player, who ultimately admitted to not feeling all that victimized. Okay, yes, that part I can agree with. If it could have been handled with direct dialogue to GMs, that would have been preferable. I don't know if such a thing was attempted. I never did because I had no direct evidence, only information that other people had posted. Most likely that if Ripard hadn't become involved, CCP would have brushed it all under the carpet. As is their habit. How can CCP brush something which we already knew about under the carpet? It wasn't like E1 was hiding what he was doing. Hell he was talking about in game, all over various forums, he even got kicked from his alliance because he was **** posting about what he was doing. Lots of people knew a long time before Riptarg got all angry about it, it just most people couldn't care including CCP and the CSM. So again I ask you, how can CCP sweep something which was already in the public domain under the carpet?
And yet CCP allowed it all to continue...
Until Ripard got involved. Don't Panic.
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Dave Stark
6127
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:39:00 -
[263] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote:And yet CCP allowed it all to continue...
Until Ripard got involved.
along with every other scam in the game. |

Prince Kobol
1860
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:46:00 -
[264] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
Until Ripard got involved.
Exactly the point. Nobody had an issue until Riptard made it his personal mission to get E1 banned.
CCP had no choice other then to ban him because of the **** storm Riptard caused with his massively over top blog.
Riptard used his position on the CSM to get somebody banned. |

Gregor Parud
555
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:51:00 -
[265] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Yes, CSM members have full control over what CCP does and thinks, also he's the only CSM member so he alone gets to say where CCP goes. There's not other CSM member who, if necessary, could oppose his position and at no point does CCP have the option to ignore what that single CSM member has to say. Lol, seriously guy, is this what you are going with? Of course CSM members can disagree with CCP, but they have a direct line of communication with which to do so. What I haven't seen a surviving CSM member do is ignore all protocol and start hurling around wild accusations, making them as public as possible and getting all their little fanboys to jump up and down about. If he wanted CCP to act he should have stated his case to CCP, not forced them into action by publicly announcing from his position of power "CCP allows torture" and other completely absurd accusations. Can you seriously not see the difference between what he did and what any other normal CSM member does when they disagree with CCP (you know, take it up directly with CCP)?
Or perhaps what Erotica did WAS out of line and far beyond what is acceptable, and CCP didn't really fully understand the situation until it was pointed out. But that view would of course not fit your bias.
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Dave Stark
6127
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:53:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Or perhaps what Erotica did WAS out of line and far beyond what is acceptable, and CCP didn't really fully understand the situation until it was pointed out. But that view would of course not fit your bias.
you mean until ripard pointed out that it was "like torture" to which the victim quite publicly denied? doesn't fit the view due to the facts of the situation, not because of bias. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:54:00 -
[267] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote: Or perhaps what Erotica did WAS out of line and far beyond what is acceptable, and CCP didn't really fully understand the situation until it was pointed out. But that view would of course not fit your bias.
Does it fit yours?
Do you think the wardecs and aggression and bad poasting by all sides in this debacle was worth it?
Was Ripard a good person for causing this then backing away from the responisbility?
Whether you support or decry him, it can't be denied that he caused even more friction between those who like the freedom of the game as it is and those who wish it to be changed to something more sedate and controlled.
And rather than seek to salve that, he walked away. "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:57:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Or perhaps what Erotica did WAS out of line and far beyond what is acceptable, and CCP didn't really fully understand the situation until it was pointed out. But that view would of course not fit your bias. you mean until ripard pointed out that it was "like torture" to which the victim quite publicly denied? doesn't fit the view due to the facts of the situation, not because of bias.
Said Dave Stark, since forever the troll of GD.
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People have been whining, creating blogs and whatnot for years (since EVE's inception) about scams, HTFU, war decs, "griefing" and emergent gameplay of any nasty nature. Propaganda alts have since forever been used to create a story, alter the narrative and then push an agenda.
This time there was a valid reason for it because what Erotica did WAS out of line, completely and utterly. CCP learned about the details and saw it for what it was, and acted on it. HTFU. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:00:00 -
[269] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Or perhaps what Erotica did WAS out of line and far beyond what is acceptable, and CCP didn't really fully understand the situation until it was pointed out. But that view would of course not fit your bias. you mean until ripard pointed out that it was "like torture" to which the victim quite publicly denied? doesn't fit the view due to the facts of the situation, not because of bias. Said Dave Stark, since forever the troll of GD.
oh i'm sorry, i was unaware that posting facts was "trolling". since trolling is against the forum rules, i highly suggest you report my post. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6690
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:12:00 -
[270] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote: Or perhaps what Erotica did WAS out of line and far beyond what is acceptable, and CCP didn't really fully understand the situation until it was pointed out. But that view would of course not fit your bias.
Scamming. Disney songs. Laughing at the other guy.
Please tell me which part, or combination thereof, of those things is out of line. I am hoping it's the Disney songs, because I make my ransoms sing opera songs so I'd be in the clear.
If it's laughing at the other guy, I am hosed. I primarily play this game to amuse myself, after all. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
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Gregor Parud
556
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:21:00 -
[271] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Gregor Parud wrote: Or perhaps what Erotica did WAS out of line and far beyond what is acceptable, and CCP didn't really fully understand the situation until it was pointed out. But that view would of course not fit your bias.
Scamming. Disney songs. Laughing at the other guy. Please tell me which part, or combination thereof, of those things is out of line. I am hoping it's the Disney songs, because I make my ransoms sing opera songs so I'd be in the clear. If it's laughing at the other guy, I am hosed. I primarily play this game to amuse myself, after all.
Come on, you're not that stupid. I shouldn't have to point it out.
The second it was made a public shaming is the second it was pulled out of the ingame context (where there's little to no restrictions in regards to scamming and toying with tools) and brought into RL harassment and bullying.
You're fine to scam, toy, murder, troll and harass the in game character, just don't be "that guy" and pull it into RL. If you have any questions about how that can back fire on you I suggest you ask Mittani about that. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3517
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:23:00 -
[272] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Or perhaps what Erotica did WAS out of line and far beyond what is acceptable, and CCP didn't really fully understand the situation until it was pointed out. But that view would of course not fit your bias. So in you mind, even though it was completely public knowledge, including the recordings, and even though CCP had dealt with several petitions that we know of (including rolling back an SP loss for a character who said his brother did it, and even though CCP devs have even commented on threads dedicated to exactly that behavior, they somehow didn't know about it until Riptard brought it up.
The reason I reject that view is that it's utterly ridiculous, it has nothing to do with bias. In fact, if you actually go and read up, you'll find that I'm not a fan of Erotica 1's bonus room buy a long shot, in fact I was quite vocal in my objection to it and in support of it being deemed "too far" by CCP. Go ahead, check, eve-search doesn't lie. So please explain to me where my bias lies.
What I objected to in this instance was CCP not only going against what they had previously done, but doing so because they were buckling to pressure from Riptards outrageous accusations, then further retroactively banning Erotica 1 for something they had previously not defined as against the rules, then not clarifying if a rule had changed, for not banning the other players involved in the exact same thing and finally but certainly not of least importance, ignoring the actual victim of the case. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6691
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:24:00 -
[273] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote: Come on, you're not that stupid. I shouldn't have to point it out.
The second it was made a public shaming is the second it was pulled out of the ingame context (where there's little to no restrictions in regards to scamming and toying with tools) and brought into RL harassment and bullying.
You're fine to scam, toy, murder, troll and harass the in game character, just don't be "that guy" and pull it into RL. If you have any questions about how that can back fire on you I suggest you ask Mittani about that.
So it was the Disney songs, gotcha.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Gregor Parud
556
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:26:00 -
[274] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Or perhaps what Erotica did WAS out of line and far beyond what is acceptable, and CCP didn't really fully understand the situation until it was pointed out. But that view would of course not fit your bias. So in you mind, even though it was completely public knowledge, including the recordings, and even though CCP had dealt with several petitions that we know of (including rolling back an SP loss for a character who said his brother did it, and even though CCP devs have even commented on threads dedicated to exactly that behavior, they somehow didn't know about it until Riptard brought it up. The reason I reject that view is that it's utterly ridiculous, it has nothing to do with bias. In fact, if you actually go and read up, you'll find that I'm not a fan of Erotica 1's bonus room buy a long shot, in fact I was quite vocal in my objection to it and in support of it being deemed "too far" by CCP. Go ahead, check, eve-search doesn't lie. So please explain to me where my bias lies. What I objected to in this instance was CCP not only going against what they had previously done, but doing so because they were buckling to pressure from Riptards outrageous accusations, then further retroactively banning Erotica 1 for something they had previously not defined as against the rules, then not clarifying if a rule had changed, for not banning the other players involved in the exact same thing and finally but certainly not of least importance, ignoring the actual victim of the case.
Lots of stuff is first handled by GM's applying the rules as they see fit (or not, as sometimes may be the case), after which someone not satisfied with the answer brings it to the attention of the higher ups. Be it Internal Affairs, Kugu, "devs we have on MSN", a threadnaught, perhaps some Jita monument shooting, a blog or sometimes even a CSM member.
So what?
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Gregor Parud
556
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:27:00 -
[275] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Gregor Parud wrote: Come on, you're not that stupid. I shouldn't have to point it out.
The second it was made a public shaming is the second it was pulled out of the ingame context (where there's little to no restrictions in regards to scamming and toying with tools) and brought into RL harassment and bullying.
You're fine to scam, toy, murder, troll and harass the in game character, just don't be "that guy" and pull it into RL. If you have any questions about how that can back fire on you I suggest you ask Mittani about that.
So it was the Disney songs, gotcha.
No but you're fine to stay ignorant and dumb. Always handy to know which ppl not to take serious. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6695
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:29:00 -
[276] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Gregor Parud wrote: Come on, you're not that stupid. I shouldn't have to point it out.
The second it was made a public shaming is the second it was pulled out of the ingame context (where there's little to no restrictions in regards to scamming and toying with tools) and brought into RL harassment and bullying.
You're fine to scam, toy, murder, troll and harass the in game character, just don't be "that guy" and pull it into RL. If you have any questions about how that can back fire on you I suggest you ask Mittani about that.
So it was the Disney songs, gotcha. No but you're fine to stay ignorant and dumb. Always handy to know which ppl not to take serious.
Well, if you're going to insist on making enormous category errors with every post... "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3517
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:31:00 -
[277] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:The second it was made a public shaming is the second it was pulled out of the ingame context (where there's little to no restrictions in regards to scamming and toying with tools) and brought into RL harassment and bullying.
You're fine to scam, toy, murder, troll and harass the in game character, just don't be "that guy" and pull it into RL. If you have any questions about how that can back fire on you I suggest you ask Mittani about that. I always love this argument. You claim it's that it was in real life, and that's what made it harassment, but is that really true? If I were to meet you at fanfest and ask you to sing me a song, would that be harassment? At what point would your responsibility to simply walk away? I'm not saying that there isn't a line that takes it too far and that there no responsibility from the scammer to stop, but at the same time the line isn't just "it was on teamspeak", and there's a certain level of responsibility that should always remain with the "victim".
And lets face it, if there is a new rule (which CCP have not confirmed) it's unenforceable. They have no ability to audit a third party service, and even if there was a recording, if the scammer didn't post it in a way that is verifiable as them, there's no proof it was them on the recording. All that has changed from this is that people running these scams will not publicly associate themselves with it, so if there is an level of abuse it will be well hidden. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3517
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:33:00 -
[278] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Lots of stuff is first handled by GM's applying the rules as they see fit (or not, as sometimes may be the case), after which someone not satisfied with the answer brings it to the attention of the higher ups. Be it Internal Affairs, Kugu, "devs we have on MSN", a threadnaught, perhaps some Jita monument shooting, a blog or sometimes even a CSM member.
So what? lol, and you can't see the distinction? Seriously? Dropping out of school was a bad idea buddy.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Dave Stark
6135
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:34:00 -
[279] - Quote
If i weren't so lazy, i'd run for csm and make a blog just to get gregor banned. The best part is, he'd be fine with it. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6696
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:36:00 -
[280] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote: And lets face it, if there is a new rule (which CCP have not confirmed) it's unenforceable. They have no ability to audit a third party service, and even if there was a recording, if the scammer didn't post it in a way that is verifiable as them, there's no proof it was them on the recording. All that has changed from this is that people running these scams will not publicly associate themselves with it, so if there is an level of abuse it will be well hidden.
I can confirm that since the incident, not only have more than a few of us ramped up our campaigns, but that we've gotten better at it to boot. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
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Gregor Parud
556
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:37:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:The second it was made a public shaming is the second it was pulled out of the ingame context (where there's little to no restrictions in regards to scamming and toying with tools) and brought into RL harassment and bullying.
You're fine to scam, toy, murder, troll and harass the in game character, just don't be "that guy" and pull it into RL. If you have any questions about how that can back fire on you I suggest you ask Mittani about that. I always love this argument. You claim it's that it was in real life, and that's what made it harassment, but is that really true? If I were to meet you at fanfest and ask you to sing me a song, would that be harassment? At what point would your responsibility to simply walk away? I'm not saying that there isn't a line that takes it too far and that there no responsibility from the scammer to stop, but at the same time the line isn't just "it was on teamspeak", and there's a certain level of responsibility that should always remain with the "victim". And lets face it, if there is a new rule (which CCP have not confirmed) it's unenforceable. They have no ability to audit a third party service, and even if there was a recording, if the scammer didn't post it in a way that is verifiable as them, there's no proof it was them on the recording. All that has changed from this is that people running these scams will not publicly associate themselves with it, so if there is an level of abuse it will be well hidden.
It was a construction with the full purpose and intent to create a scenario where a person would be pushed, bit by bit, into a situation where he'd break down in public (VERY public, not just "our teamspeak") and would go ape ****. Was he an idiot for doing so? sure. But that doesn't excuse the ones responsible for it. Keep it in game and just about everything is allowed and should be allowed, it's part of the game and HTFU applies. If someone can't see the difference between in game and RL and pulls silliness onto a real life stage and pulls bullshit like that then he crossed the line.
I'm VERY much for "HTFU, deal with it" but at the same time I'm not some autist sociopath who can't see the difference between ingame and RL. |

Dave Stark
6135
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:39:00 -
[282] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:The second it was made a public shaming is the second it was pulled out of the ingame context (where there's little to no restrictions in regards to scamming and toying with tools) and brought into RL harassment and bullying.
You're fine to scam, toy, murder, troll and harass the in game character, just don't be "that guy" and pull it into RL. If you have any questions about how that can back fire on you I suggest you ask Mittani about that. I always love this argument. You claim it's that it was in real life, and that's what made it harassment, but is that really true? If I were to meet you at fanfest and ask you to sing me a song, would that be harassment? At what point would your responsibility to simply walk away? I'm not saying that there isn't a line that takes it too far and that there no responsibility from the scammer to stop, but at the same time the line isn't just "it was on teamspeak", and there's a certain level of responsibility that should always remain with the "victim". And lets face it, if there is a new rule (which CCP have not confirmed) it's unenforceable. They have no ability to audit a third party service, and even if there was a recording, if the scammer didn't post it in a way that is verifiable as them, there's no proof it was them on the recording. All that has changed from this is that people running these scams will not publicly associate themselves with it, so if there is an level of abuse it will be well hidden. It was a construction with the full purpose and intent to create a scenario where a person would be pushed, bit by bit, into a situation where he'd break down in public (VERY public, not just "our teamspeak") and would go ape ****. Was he an idiot for doing so? sure. But that doesn't excuse the ones responsible for it. Keep it in game and just about everything is allowed and should be allowed, it's part of the game and HTFU applies. If someone can't see the difference between in game and RL and pulls silliness onto a real life stage and pulls bullshit like that then he crossed the line. I'm VERY much for "HTFU, deal with it" but at the same time I'm not some autist sociopath who can't see the difference between ingame and RL.
it was also a construction they were free to walk away from at any time they chose to do so. |

Gregor Parud
556
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:43:00 -
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"a scenario where a person would be pushed, bit by bit, into a situation where he'd break down in public"
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3518
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:44:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:It was a construction with the full purpose and intent to create a scenario where a person would be pushed, bit by bit, into a situation where he'd break down in public (VERY public, not just "our teamspeak") and would go ape ****. Was he an idiot for doing so? sure. But that doesn't excuse the ones responsible for it. Keep it in game and just about everything is allowed and should be allowed, it's part of the game and HTFU applies. If someone can't see the difference between in game and RL and pulls silliness onto a real life stage and pulls bullshit like that then he crossed the line.
I'm VERY much for "HTFU, deal with it" but at the same time I'm not some autist sociopath who can't see the difference between ingame and RL. So bumping a miner for 2 hours, a situation they literally cannot escape, that isn't designed to make the player, and not the character, go into fits of rage so it can be publicly posted everywhere? But asking a guy to sing in a teamspeak server with easy access to a "disconnect" button is torture?
If they showed up at the guys house and tied him up and demanded he sing, that's torture.
Let me just clarify something as well. It's "RL" in your eyes because it's teamspeak right? so even though they refer to him by character name, because it's not in game, it's real life and therefore it's over the line. So what would be you opinion if the *exact same conversation* took place over eve-voice instead? Would that be OK? That's in-game, so not real life, right?
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:45:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:"a scenario where a person would be pushed, bit by bit, into a situation where he'd break down in public"
that they were still free to walk away from whenever they chose. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10249
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:46:00 -
[286] - Quote
Gotta love the audacity of people who claim that "CCP had no choice but to ban E1."
Yeah okay, cause CCP is definitely known for being a company that caves to player outrage that they feel is unwarranted. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Tricia Killnu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:47:00 -
[287] - Quote
So who's bias is more biased yours or theirs?
Or maybe your all biased of being biased.
Makes sense to me.
I am biased to this bias of my own FYI Sometimes you just have to realized you undocked and you suck. . . |

Gregor Parud
560
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:48:00 -
[288] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Gotta love the audacity of people who claim that "CCP had no choice but to ban E1."
Yeah okay, cause CCP is definitely known for being a company that caves to player outrage that they feel is unwarranted.
Exactly.
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Gregor Parud
560
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:50:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:It was a construction with the full purpose and intent to create a scenario where a person would be pushed, bit by bit, into a situation where he'd break down in public (VERY public, not just "our teamspeak") and would go ape ****. Was he an idiot for doing so? sure. But that doesn't excuse the ones responsible for it. Keep it in game and just about everything is allowed and should be allowed, it's part of the game and HTFU applies. If someone can't see the difference between in game and RL and pulls silliness onto a real life stage and pulls bullshit like that then he crossed the line.
I'm VERY much for "HTFU, deal with it" but at the same time I'm not some autist sociopath who can't see the difference between ingame and RL. So bumping a miner for 2 hours, a situation they literally cannot escape, that isn't designed to make the player, and not the character, go into fits of rage so it can be publicly posted everywhere? But asking a guy to sing in a teamspeak server with easy access to a "disconnect" button is torture? If they showed up at the guys house and tied him up and demanded he sing, that's torture. Let me just clarify something as well. It's "RL" in your eyes because it's teamspeak right? so even though they refer to him by character name, because it's not in game, it's real life and therefore it's over the line. So what would be you opinion if the *exact same conversation* took place over eve-voice instead? Would that be OK? That's in-game, so not real life, right?
I'll let you figure that out for yourself, it's not that difficult.
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Tricia Killnu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:51:00 -
[290] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Gotta love the audacity of people who claim that "CCP had no choice but to ban E1."
Yeah okay, cause CCP is definitely known for being a company that caves to player outrage that they feel is unwarranted.
Whats this you say?
That maybe this is what CCP chose to do after looking at the entire situation not just one part?
MADNESS I tell you. Sometimes you just have to realized you undocked and you suck. . . |
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Dave Stark
6138
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:51:00 -
[291] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Gotta love the audacity of people who claim that "CCP had no choice but to ban E1."
Yeah okay, cause CCP is definitely known for being a company that caves to player outrage that they feel is unwarranted.
kinda went past "player outrage" when gaming sites picked up on the story that they knew nothing about and pretty much reposted because things like "cyber bullying" generate website hits like car crashes draw crowds of rubberneckers. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3518
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:52:00 -
[292] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Gotta love the audacity of people who claim that "CCP had no choice but to ban E1."
Yeah okay, cause CCP is definitely known for being a company that caves to player outrage that they feel is unwarranted. It was less player outrage and more bad publicity. A player they had elevated to a position of power was posting accusations about torture (an absolute insult to real victims of torture by the way). Obviously being in the position he was in lends itself to being picked up by real media outlets, so rather than risk any potential bad publicity they chose to slap on a ban and not make a big deal out of it. It's pretty much the same thing as I described earlier, it's like a settlement out of court from a celebrity innocent of a given crime. Sometimes it's easier just to avoid the bad press even if it is not based in fact.
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Serene Repose
1362
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:53:00 -
[293] - Quote
Aye. Sad to see Jester go. I got a lot of useful information from his site over the years. He's irreplaceable.
NO! We're not trying to SHAME you into keeping the site, Jester. *sniffle* Perish the thought, and thanks for all the effort you put into it. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3518
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:53:00 -
[294] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:I'll let you figure that out for yourself, it's not that difficult. LOL So in other words you can't answer it because whichever way you go you'll look like an asshat, because you've backed yourself into a corner by spewing horseshit.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10249
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:54:00 -
[295] - Quote
Yeah, unacceptable behavior does have a tendency to generate bad press. Is that really a surprise? "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3518
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:55:00 -
[296] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, unacceptable behavior does have a tendency to generate bad press. Is that really a surprise? As does perfectly acceptable behavior being described in outrageous ways by people in a position of power. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Gregor Parud
565
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:56:00 -
[297] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:I'll let you figure that out for yourself, it's not that difficult. LOL So in other words you can't answer it because whichever way you go you'll look like an asshat, because you've backed yourself into a corner by spewing horseshit.
Not at all, it's because you make dumb statements that any 12 yearold with an IQ of over 85, while not being a sociopath, could figure out. I'd just end up repeating myself anyway.
Perhaps you I should use language more suited to you;
LOL UMAD? |

Dave Stark
6138
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:00:00 -
[298] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:LOL UMAD? i have a feeling this is why people aren't taking you very seriously. you've made several wild assertions and been refuted by evidence several times, then you resort to "u mad?"
you can do better than this, i'm sure. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6697
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:00:00 -
[299] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, unacceptable behavior does have a tendency to generate bad press. Is that really a surprise? As does perfectly acceptable behavior being described in outrageous ways by people in a position of power.
Which is why I make mine sing opera. No one can possibly get in a huff about that.
Next on the block, "Habanera" from Carmen. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Gregor Parud
565
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:02:00 -
[300] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:LOL UMAD? i have a feeling this is why people aren't taking you very seriously. you've made several wild assertions and been refuted by evidence several times, then you resort to "u mad?" you can do better than this, i'm sure.
No, in this case with clowns like you portray yourself to be it is indeed the acceptable and proper response. |
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Dave Stark
6140
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:04:00 -
[301] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:LOL UMAD? i have a feeling this is why people aren't taking you very seriously. you've made several wild assertions and been refuted by evidence several times, then you resort to "u mad?" you can do better than this, i'm sure. No, in this case with clowns like you portray yourself to be it is indeed the acceptable and proper response.
again with personal attacks rather than any kind of evidence or moderately thought out argument. |

Prince Kobol
1868
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:04:00 -
[302] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Gotta love the audacity of people who claim that "CCP had no choice but to ban E1."
Yeah okay, cause CCP is definitely known for being a company that caves to player outrage that they feel is unwarranted.
Considering I have said a number of times CCP had no choice I will answer.
If it stayed on the Eve Forums then sure, CCP didn't have to do anything however it didn't.
First it was a prominent member of the CSM who created the blog which unfortunately gave it more attention then it ever warranted..
Secondly a number of 3rd party gaming websites picked up the story so it become something more then just a normal Eve scam.
Thirdly in today's world where Cyber Bullying is a massive problem and a hot topic no gaming company wants to be associated with. The incident which Riptard highlighted and the way it was reported was talked about in the vain as Cyber Bully / Harassment.
When you put those things together you have a choice, ban 1 player who many will admit went to far and was doing something which many people would not agree with, whilst at the same time make a stand saying to all outside press that they do not support any in game harassment or Cyber bullying or will not let their product become a vehicle to find vulnerable and stupid people to harass and bully outside of their product, or do nothing.
So yeah, CCP really didn't have a choice.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3519
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:06:00 -
[303] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:I'll let you figure that out for yourself, it's not that difficult. LOL So in other words you can't answer it because whichever way you go you'll look like an asshat, because you've backed yourself into a corner by spewing horseshit. Not at all, it's because you make dumb statements that any 12 yearold with an IQ of over 85, while not being a sociopath, could figure out. I'd just end up repeating myself anyway. Perhaps you I should use language more suited to you; LOL UMAD? lol, well if it's so easy, it won't be that hard to explain then. You want to draw an arbitrary distinction by saying "this is RL, this is not", when behaviour is the same in both situations and both situations are in character. You do this because you don't really know why you care so strongly about one and not the other. And the reason for that is that your position is weak. Realistically the only thing that makes one set of behaviour acceptable and another unacceptable is intent, not whether or not it happens on teamspeak. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Gregor Parud
565
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:08:00 -
[304] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Gotta love the audacity of people who claim that "CCP had no choice but to ban E1."
Yeah okay, cause CCP is definitely known for being a company that caves to player outrage that they feel is unwarranted. Considering I have said a number of times CCP had no choice I will answer. If it stayed on the Eve Forums then sure, CCP didn't have to do anything however it didn't. First it was a prominent member of the CSM who created the blog which unfortunately gave it more attention then it ever warranted.. Secondly a number of 3rd party gaming websites picked up the story so it become something more then just a normal Eve scam. Thirdly in today's world where Cyber Bullying is a massive problem and a hot topic no gaming company wants to be associated with. The incident which Riptard highlighted and the way it was reported was talked about in the vain as Cyber Bully / Harassment. When you put those things together you have a choice, ban 1 player who many will admit went to far and was doing something which many people would not agree with, whilst at the same time make a stand saying to all outside press that they do not support any in game harassment or Cyber bullying or will not let their product become a vehicle to find vulnerable and stupid people to harass and bully outside of their product, or do nothing. So yeah, CCP really didn't have a choice.
Or perhaps the perfect **** storm happened BECAUSE it was out of line even within EVE's settings, not because someone made a blog out of it?
Not logical? No? |

Big Lynx
Cause For Concern Easily Excited
447
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:08:00 -
[305] - Quote
When does Gevlon pull the plug of his blog?
goodbye jester! |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6698
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:10:00 -
[306] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:
Or perhaps the perfect **** storm happened BECAUSE it was out of line even within EVE's settings, not because someone made a blog out of it?
Not logical? No?
Disney songs really are going too far. I entirely agree.
Opera songs for CSM 10. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Prince Kobol
1868
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:11:00 -
[307] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Gotta love the audacity of people who claim that "CCP had no choice but to ban E1."
Yeah okay, cause CCP is definitely known for being a company that caves to player outrage that they feel is unwarranted. Considering I have said a number of times CCP had no choice I will answer. If it stayed on the Eve Forums then sure, CCP didn't have to do anything however it didn't. First it was a prominent member of the CSM who created the blog which unfortunately gave it more attention then it ever warranted.. Secondly a number of 3rd party gaming websites picked up the story so it become something more then just a normal Eve scam. Thirdly in today's world where Cyber Bullying is a massive problem and a hot topic no gaming company wants to be associated with. The incident which Riptard highlighted and the way it was reported was talked about in the vain as Cyber Bully / Harassment. When you put those things together you have a choice, ban 1 player who many will admit went to far and was doing something which many people would not agree with, whilst at the same time make a stand saying to all outside press that they do not support any in game harassment or Cyber bullying or will not let their product become a vehicle to find vulnerable and stupid people to harass and bully outside of their product, or do nothing. So yeah, CCP really didn't have a choice. Or perhaps the perfect **** storm happened BECAUSE it was out of line even within EVE's settings, not because someone made a blog out of it? Not logical? No?
What was out of line..
Something which had be going on for months if not longer?
Something which even the CCP Devs knew happening?
Something which E1 was telling everybody who would listen, even those who didn't want to know and kicked him out of his alliance what he was doing?
Also.. what is EVE Settings?
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10250
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:12:00 -
[308] - Quote
And also your claim that Sohkar could have just easily walked away doesn't really stand up to inspection. The difference between the Bonus Room and every other scam in EVE is the premise, which furthermore happened to be true at least in some cases, that successful completion would allow the participant (i.e. the mark) to regain all of their lost possessions, ISK, and then some bonus. It's a carrot and stick approach, furthermore compounded by the fact that the "rules" could be adjusted at any time by E1 and his companions. Repetitively coercing someone to do something that they find extremely unpleasant and humiliating for no purpose other than your own enjoyment certainly qualifies as psychological harassment. That is a violation of the very first listed item in the EVE Terms of Service. The severity of this harassment warranted the permanent ban. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Gregor Parud
565
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:12:00 -
[309] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:I'll let you figure that out for yourself, it's not that difficult. LOL So in other words you can't answer it because whichever way you go you'll look like an asshat, because you've backed yourself into a corner by spewing horseshit. Not at all, it's because you make dumb statements that any 12 yearold with an IQ of over 85, while not being a sociopath, could figure out. I'd just end up repeating myself anyway. Perhaps you I should use language more suited to you; LOL UMAD? lol, well if it's so easy, it won't be that hard to explain then. You want to draw an arbitrary distinction by saying "this is RL, this is not", when behaviour is the same in both situations and both situations are in character. You do this because you don't really know why you care so strongly about one and not the other. And the reason for that is that your position is weak. Realistically the only thing that makes one set of behaviour acceptable and another unacceptable is intent, not whether or not it happens on teamspeak.
- kill someone in a car accident you couldn't have foreseen - kill someone in an accident that where your actions contributed to the situation (drunk driving, driving way too fast, doing silly stuff) - kill someone in self defense with your gun - kill someone in cold blood with your gun
I'd say that intent and personal responsibility will play a big part in the community's perception and, more importantly, the judge & jury's decision. don't you think? |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10250
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:13:00 -
[310] - Quote
So actually yes, you're right, their own terms of service didn't really give them a choice. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Dave Stark
6140
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:15:00 -
[311] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Or perhaps the perfect **** storm happened BECAUSE it was out of line even within EVE's settings, not because someone made a blog out of it?
Not logical? No?
no, that's not logical.
due to the fact that this wasn't the first bonus room, nor were the contents of the bonus room unseen or in any way unique. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6604
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:16:00 -
[312] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:
Or perhaps the perfect **** storm happened BECAUSE it was out of line even within EVE's settings, not because someone made a blog out of it?
Not logical? No?
How can doing something EVE is famous for and that CCP has actively encouraged (or did we all just imagine all that talk of Tears and 'htfu' coming from CCP) possibly be out of line?
What I saw was a group of grown men playing an online game and talking to each other over the internet. Just like 'cyber-bullying' is BS (as someone who experienced a relatively minor amount of real bullying as a kid in the 1980s, I know for a fact grown folks can't be bullied over something you can turn off at will) , so was CCP's response to this event.
What CCP should have down was said "meh, life is harsh, don't like it don't come here" (consistent with their actions in the past) and let that be the end of it. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10250
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:17:00 -
[313] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, unacceptable behavior does have a tendency to generate bad press. Is that really a surprise? As does perfectly acceptable behavior being described in outrageous ways by people in a position of power. Well I guess that's a good thing that didn't happen, then.
It was described in outrageous ways, yes. Torture it was not. Harassment and abuse, sure. That's more than enough. I'll chalk it up to Ripard not knowing how to use words that properly describe what he means. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10250
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:17:00 -
[314] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:How can doing something EVE is famous for and that CCP has actively encouraged (or did we all just imagine all that talk of Tears and 'htfu' coming from CCP) possibly be out of line? EVE has never actively encouraged harassment. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Gregor Parud
565
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:18:00 -
[315] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:
Or perhaps the perfect **** storm happened BECAUSE it was out of line even within EVE's settings, not because someone made a blog out of it?
Not logical? No?
How can doing something EVE is famous for and that CCP has actively encouraged (or did we all just imagine all that talk of Tears and 'htfu' coming from CCP) possibly be out of line? What I saw was a group of grown men playing an online game and talking to each other over the internet. Just like 'cyber-bullying' is BS (as someone who experienced a relatively minor amount of real bullying as a kid in the 1980s, I know for a fact grown folks can't be bullied over something you can turn off at will) , so was CCP's response to this event. What CCP should have down was said "meh, life is harsh, don't like it don't come here" (consistent with their actions in the past) and let that be the end of it.
No, the GAME is harsh, that's the difference.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6604
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:18:00 -
[316] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:How can doing something EVE is famous for and that CCP has actively encouraged (or did we all just imagine all that talk of Tears and 'htfu' coming from CCP) possibly be out of line? EVE has never actively encouraged harassment.
Good thing harassment is impossible in this setting. I arrest people for harassment, you obviously don't know what that word means.
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Dave Stark
6143
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:19:00 -
[317] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:How can doing something EVE is famous for and that CCP has actively encouraged (or did we all just imagine all that talk of Tears and 'htfu' coming from CCP) possibly be out of line? EVE has never actively encouraged harassment. people whining about cloaky campers disagree. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6700
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:20:00 -
[318] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote: It was described in outrageous ways, yes. Torture it was not. Harassment and abuse, sure. That's more than enough. I'll chalk it up to Ripard not knowing how to use words that properly describe what he means.
Since this is EVE, the old adage is reversed.
Never chalk up to stupidity what you can attribute to malice. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Prince Kobol
1869
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:20:00 -
[319] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:And also your claim that Sohkar could have just easily walked away doesn't really stand up to inspection. The difference between the Bonus Room and every other scam in EVE is the premise, which furthermore happened to be true at least in some cases, that successful completion would allow the participant (i.e. the mark) to regain all of their lost possessions, ISK, and then some bonus. It's a carrot and stick approach, furthermore compounded by the fact that the "rules" could be adjusted at any time by E1 and his companions. Repetitively coercing someone to do something that they find extremely unpleasant and humiliating for no purpose other than your own enjoyment certainly qualifies as psychological harassment. That is a violation of the very first listed item in the EVE Terms of Service. The severity of this harassment warranted the permanent ban.
Or quite simply he could of never got involved in E1 to begin with.
Look I am not defending E1 and I am glad he was banned, however he should not of been banned because of somebody on the CSM decided to start a personal vendetta and use their position to create a blog which was full of language designed to cause the most amount of outrage as possible.
CCP knew what he was doing long before Riptard ever made his blog and whilst they might of not been fine with it, the main issues happened outside of the game on 3rd party applications.
CCP were right not to ban him for those actions as it is outside there remit.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6604
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:21:00 -
[320] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:
Or perhaps the perfect **** storm happened BECAUSE it was out of line even within EVE's settings, not because someone made a blog out of it?
Not logical? No?
How can doing something EVE is famous for and that CCP has actively encouraged (or did we all just imagine all that talk of Tears and 'htfu' coming from CCP) possibly be out of line? What I saw was a group of grown men playing an online game and talking to each other over the internet. Just like 'cyber-bullying' is BS (as someone who experienced a relatively minor amount of real bullying as a kid in the 1980s, I know for a fact grown folks can't be bullied over something you can turn off at will) , so was CCP's response to this event. What CCP should have down was said "meh, life is harsh, don't like it don't come here" (consistent with their actions in the past) and let that be the end of it. No, the GAME is harsh, that's the difference.
And playing the game is a life choice. If you can't handle it, why choose to play in it? Why choose to download teamspeak if you get upset at words?
Or does actually knowing yourself and acting accordingly require too much personal responsibility for you types?
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Prince Kobol
1869
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:22:00 -
[321] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, unacceptable behavior does have a tendency to generate bad press. Is that really a surprise? As does perfectly acceptable behavior being described in outrageous ways by people in a position of power. Well I guess that's a good thing that didn't happen, then. It was described in outrageous ways, yes. Torture it was not. Harassment and abuse, sure. That's more than enough. I'll chalk it up to Ripard not knowing how to use words that properly describe what he means.
Riptard knew exactly what he was doing which is what makes it all the more worse. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10250
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:22:00 -
[322] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:How can doing something EVE is famous for and that CCP has actively encouraged (or did we all just imagine all that talk of Tears and 'htfu' coming from CCP) possibly be out of line? EVE has never actively encouraged harassment. Good thing harassment is impossible in this setting. I arrest people for harassment, you obviously don't know what that word means. You would arrest for specific forms that you can easily identify and document. Don't make the mistake of thinking that this makes you qualified to determine that something definitively isn't harassment, merely that it makes you qualified to determine that something warrants an arrest. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10250
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:23:00 -
[323] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Riptard knew exactly what he doing which is what makes it all the more worse. Really now? Because if he did that would be a first. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Prince Kobol
1869
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:23:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:How can doing something EVE is famous for and that CCP has actively encouraged (or did we all just imagine all that talk of Tears and 'htfu' coming from CCP) possibly be out of line? EVE has never actively encouraged harassment. Good thing harassment is impossible in this setting. I arrest people for harassment, you obviously don't know what that word means. You would arrest for specific forms that you can easily identify and document. Don't make the mistake of thinking that this makes you qualified to determine that something definitively isn't harassment, merely that it makes you qualified to determine that something warrants an arrest.
Which part was the whole E1 thing was harassment? |

Prince Kobol
1869
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:25:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Riptard knew exactly what he doing which is what makes it all the more worse. Really now? Because if he did that would be a first.
lmao.. I know right but yeah, he knew what he was doing hence the use of language and then his sudden and furious back peddling to distance himself as much as he could when he realised most people did not see him as the saviour of Eve he though he would be pronounced to be. |

Dave Stark
6143
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:25:00 -
[326] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Riptard knew exactly what he doing which is what makes it all the more worse. Really now? Because if he did that would be a first. I'm sure even ripard is aware what happens when you start a witch hunt. Even i wouldn't be rude enough to assert that he's that brain dead. |

Gregor Parud
565
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:25:00 -
[327] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:you types?
Lol. I ganked, baited, pirated and ransomed folks before you started playing. But that doesn't mean I don't understand the difference between in game actions against in game characters, and taking it all out of context pulling it into RL. |

BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
296
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:25:00 -
[328] - Quote
Andski wrote:let's face it jester's trek readers have about as much independent thought as climate change deniers
I thought the new buzzword was 'Climate Chaos'? And we only have like 480 days to live (according to the French)
Anyway...
'Climate Denier' is a term created by statists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.
Seems that you and Jester's have more in common than you think.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3521
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:26:00 -
[329] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:And also your claim that Sohkar could have just easily walked away doesn't really stand up to inspection. The difference between the Bonus Room and every other scam in EVE is the premise, which furthermore happened to be true at least in some cases, that successful completion would allow the participant (i.e. the mark) to regain all of their lost possessions, ISK, and then some bonus. It's a carrot and stick approach, furthermore compounded by the fact that the "rules" could be adjusted at any time by E1 and his companions. Repetitively coercing someone to do something that they find extremely unpleasant and humiliating for no purpose other than your own enjoyment certainly qualifies as psychological harassment. That is a violation of the very first listed item in the EVE Terms of Service. The severity of this harassment warranted the permanent ban. Well Sohkar disagrees with you.
Also, what you've pretty much described there is every scam ever. People are tricked out of their stuff, sometimes even given back small amounts to encourage them to invest further. It's like isk doublers, they'll double your 1 mil, then you chuck in half a billion and you've suddenly violated some imaginary rule. Then you go back to them again, and they encourage you to try again but follow the rules and you can make it all back, honest... All the time the victim doesn't walk away the scammer will continue. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6605
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:27:00 -
[330] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:How can doing something EVE is famous for and that CCP has actively encouraged (or did we all just imagine all that talk of Tears and 'htfu' coming from CCP) possibly be out of line? EVE has never actively encouraged harassment. Good thing harassment is impossible in this setting. I arrest people for harassment, you obviously don't know what that word means. You would arrest for specific forms that you can easily identify and document. Don't make the mistake of thinking that this makes you qualified to determine that something definitively isn't harassment, merely that it makes you qualified to determine that something warrants an arrest.
Proving that you don't know what you are talking about.
I get it, you don't like this erotica1 person for whatever reason. That doesn't change the very simple facts of the matter. Grown men. internet. Choices and responsibility. And the fact that the 'victim' disagrees with your assessment of the event in question.
You have every right to be wrong about it (and you are, again seemingly because of personal dislike), I simply don't understand why you'd choose to be.
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3295
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:29:00 -
[331] - Quote
BuckStrider wrote:Andski wrote:let's face it jester's trek readers have about as much independent thought as climate change deniers I thought the new buzzword was 'Climate Chaos'? And we only have like 480 days to live (according to the French) Anyway... 'Climate Denier' is a term created by statists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons. Seems that you and Jester's have more in common than you think.
'Climate Denier' is an accurate descriptor for a scientifically illiterate layman who thinks they know science better than scientists and rejects the science behind climate change. There are a few factors at play here, not the least of which is cognitive dissonance laced with some oil-industry-funded propaganda wrapped up in a pretty 'sciency' ribbon, but this is all beside the point. What you did, just now, is confirm you are a Jester's Trek reader. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10253
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:29:00 -
[332] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Which part was the whole E1 thing was harassment? Why don't you tell me? After all you already agreed that he should have been banned, so either he did something bannable according to you or you're just being vindictive. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10253
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:30:00 -
[333] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Proving that you don't know what you are talking about. Because being a cop makes you an authority on everything. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6605
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:32:00 -
[334] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Proving that you don't know what you are talking about. Because being a cop makes you an authority on everything.
Never said that. i said you don't know what harassment is. You've proven this yourself.
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Prince Kobol
1870
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:34:00 -
[335] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Which part was the whole E1 thing was harassment? Why don't you tell me? After all you already agreed that he should have been banned, so either he did something bannable according to you or you're just being vindictive.
I said I am glad he was banned but not for the reason he was banned for or the circumstances. I know it doesn't help your argument but there it is.
I fully admit that I do not like him but then I never created a blog saying that he should be banned because he never did anything in game that would warrant a banning.
Again, which part are classing as harassment?
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10253
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:36:00 -
[336] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Proving that you don't know what you are talking about. Because being a cop makes you an authority on everything. Never said that. I said you don't know what harassment is. You've proven this yourself.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/harassment
Quote:harassment n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
46
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:37:00 -
[337] - Quote
Love how forums have become a bonus-room for all that E1-groupies. They went all in for him and they'll never get him back :> |

Dave Stark
6147
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:39:00 -
[338] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Proving that you don't know what you are talking about. Because being a cop makes you an authority on everything. Never said that. I said you don't know what harassment is. You've proven this yourself. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/harassmentQuote:harassment n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious.
the "systematic and/or continued" part invalidates any of the bolded areas.
there was nothing systematic or continued about what E1 did, it was a single bonus room. |

Prince Kobol
1873
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:41:00 -
[339] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Proving that you don't know what you are talking about. Because being a cop makes you an authority on everything. Never said that. I said you don't know what harassment is. You've proven this yourself. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/harassmentQuote:harassment n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious.
Which part of what you have quoted applies to what E1 did?
Again which part of what E1 did do you class as harassment? |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3521
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:41:00 -
[340] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, unacceptable behavior does have a tendency to generate bad press. Is that really a surprise? As does perfectly acceptable behavior being described in outrageous ways by people in a position of power. Well I guess that's a good thing that didn't happen, then. It was described in outrageous ways, yes. Torture it was not. Harassment and abuse, sure. That's more than enough. I'll chalk it up to Ripard not knowing how to use words that properly describe what he means. Since this behaviour was well known to the whole community and CCP, and nothing was ever done, event when it was petitioned by some, that pretty much fits the definition of acceptable.
Then Ripard being in a position of power did in fact describe this behaviour as torture, pretty much a guarantee to generate bad press. in fact if you read url=http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/the-bonus-round.html]his blog[/url] and you search for the word "torture" you'll find torture (and torturer) is referred to 10 times in the body of that post alone. So yes, behaviour that was being and had previously been accepted was described as torture to generate bad press to force a change. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
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Prince Kobol
1874
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:44:00 -
[341] - Quote
Ab'del Abu wrote:Love how forums have become a bonus-room for all that E1-groupies. They went all in for him and they'll never get him back :>
Has nothing to do with that.
What it has to do is that because of Riptard's personal vendetta against 1 player, he abused his position on the the CSM by creating a inflammatory blog knowing that it would gain attention to get a player banned for something which happened out of game.
If he was so proud of what he did why did he do everything he could to distance himself form the **** storm he caused? |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3523
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:44:00 -
[342] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:- kill someone in a car accident you couldn't have foreseen - kill someone in an accident that where your actions contributed to the situation (drunk driving, driving way too fast, doing silly stuff) - kill someone in self defense with your gun - kill someone in cold blood with your gun
I'd say that intent and personal responsibility will play a big part in the community's perception and, more importantly, the judge & jury's decision. don't you think? Yes... that was pretty much my point, and in fact it's not just the perception, the actual charge will be different between those. So thanks I guess. So then where is this imaginary "RL" line?
Gregor Parud wrote:No, the GAME is harsh, that's the difference. So here we go again. So the GAME is harsh, but teamspeak is not the game, right (you know, even though peiople join as their characters and such)? So if the same conversation took place on eve-voice it would be acceptable because that IS the GAME, correct? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Prince Kobol
1874
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:47:00 -
[343] - Quote
Let me put it this way, because of what CCP did can we now petition and ask for people to be banned because they used language that would get you banned in game on TS? |

Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
46
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:47:00 -
[344] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, unacceptable behavior does have a tendency to generate bad press. Is that really a surprise? As does perfectly acceptable behavior being described in outrageous ways by people in a position of power. Well I guess that's a good thing that didn't happen, then. It was described in outrageous ways, yes. Torture it was not. Harassment and abuse, sure. That's more than enough. I'll chalk it up to Ripard not knowing how to use words that properly describe what he means. Since this behaviour was well known to the whole community and CCP, and nothing was ever done, event when it was petitioned by some, that pretty much fits the definition of acceptable. Then Ripard being in a position of power did in fact describe this behaviour as torture, pretty much a guarantee to generate bad press. in fact if you read url=http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/the-bonus-round.html]his blog[/url] and you search for the word "torture" you'll find torture (and torturer) is referred to 10 times in the body of that post alone. So yes, behaviour that was being and had previously been accepted was described as torture to generate bad press to force a change.
It was tolerated, not accepted. Speaking of using the right words ... |

Prince Kobol
1874
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:48:00 -
[345] - Quote
Ab'del Abu wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, unacceptable behavior does have a tendency to generate bad press. Is that really a surprise? As does perfectly acceptable behavior being described in outrageous ways by people in a position of power. Well I guess that's a good thing that didn't happen, then. It was described in outrageous ways, yes. Torture it was not. Harassment and abuse, sure. That's more than enough. I'll chalk it up to Ripard not knowing how to use words that properly describe what he means. Since this behaviour was well known to the whole community and CCP, and nothing was ever done, event when it was petitioned by some, that pretty much fits the definition of acceptable. Then Ripard being in a position of power did in fact describe this behaviour as torture, pretty much a guarantee to generate bad press. in fact if you read url=http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/the-bonus-round.html]his blog[/url] and you search for the word "torture" you'll find torture (and torturer) is referred to 10 times in the body of that post alone. So yes, behaviour that was being and had previously been accepted was described as torture to generate bad press to force a change. It was tolerated, not accepted. Speaking of using the right words ...
No, it was accepted as he was never banned or ever received a warning. |

Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
130
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:55:00 -
[346] - Quote
Like the OP, I'm disappointed and saddened to see Jester end his blog. You could tell that he was struggling with burn out the last several months. Easily understandable with the amount of work he put into trying to make Eve a better place. I wish that he'd taken a 3 month hiatus to recharge his batteries before making a decision.
I suspect that much of his frustration stemmed from serving on the CSM. He may have found that his ability to improve the game ran into a hard wall with the true powers within CCP.
The Erotica episode was Jesters attempt to force CCP to bend to his point of view by using his bully pulpit to rally the Eve membership and game media. Who doesn't think that Jester tried to accomplish the same thing in the privacy of the CSM many times?
I believe Jester goal was to expand the membership base by making Eve more welcoming to new players who decide to stay for a while. A goal we should all have! However, even Jester came to realize that achieving that goal while completely antagonizing a portion of the existing membership base isn't the right strategy. I suspect that's why he stopped his series of articles before his planned grand finale article. And I think that's why he went out of his way to be supportive of a wide variety of candidates for CSM 9.
After the CSM changed hands, Jester was left with his frustrations about new player retention, the viability of small gang warfare & how to make Eve a better place.
TL;DR: And because he has been so influential, he ended up in the place: "If you can't say anything nice - don't say anything at all"
Hopefully his mantle will be picked up by others who see the fun and potential and awesomeness in Eve and know how to inspire that in others. Or maybe Jester will find it again some day.
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
46
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:57:00 -
[347] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It was described in outrageous ways, yes. Torture it was not. Harassment and abuse, sure. That's more than enough. I'll chalk it up to Ripard not knowing how to use words that properly describe what he means.
Since this behaviour was well known to the whole community and CCP, and nothing was ever done, event when it was petitioned by some, that pretty much fits the definition of acceptable. Then Ripard being in a position of power did in fact describe this behaviour as torture, pretty much a guarantee to generate bad press. in fact if you read url=http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/the-bonus-round.html]his blog[/url] and you search for the word "torture" you'll find torture (and torturer) is referred to 10 times in the body of that post alone. So yes, behaviour that was being and had previously been accepted was described as torture to generate bad press to force a change. It was tolerated, not accepted. Speaking of using the right words ... No, it was accepted as he was never banned or ever received a warning.
Prove it Your description fits the definition of tolerance, not acceptance. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6610
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:00:00 -
[348] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Proving that you don't know what you are talking about. Because being a cop makes you an authority on everything. Never said that. I said you don't know what harassment is. You've proven this yourself. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/harassmentQuote:harassment n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious.
So now you can't read English.
I bolded the part you missed. Just like in the real world, a one time ill advised sex joke at work isn't 'sexual harassment' without showing a pattern of similar activity directed at the same person (or affecting the same person even if that person isn't the target), what happened in the event in question CANNOT be harassment since it happened once.
Thank you for again proving what I said right: you don't know what you are talking about. Your use of the word harassment is wrong even according to the source you just quoted. you have every right to continue playing the fool , but it's getting silly. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6610
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:02:00 -
[349] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote: the "systematic and/or continued" part invalidates any of the bolded areas.
there was nothing systematic or continued about what E1 did, it was a single bonus room.
Darn you for saying it 1st lol.
I imagine that what you will now get from James is some variation of this .
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3523
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:02:00 -
[350] - Quote
Ab'del Abu wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It was described in outrageous ways, yes. Torture it was not. Harassment and abuse, sure. That's more than enough. I'll chalk it up to Ripard not knowing how to use words that properly describe what he means.
Since this behaviour was well known to the whole community and CCP, and nothing was ever done, event when it was petitioned by some, that pretty much fits the definition of acceptable. Then Ripard being in a position of power did in fact describe this behaviour as torture, pretty much a guarantee to generate bad press. in fact if you read url=http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/the-bonus-round.html]his blog[/url] and you search for the word "torture" you'll find torture (and torturer) is referred to 10 times in the body of that post alone. So yes, behaviour that was being and had previously been accepted was described as torture to generate bad press to force a change. It was tolerated, not accepted. Speaking of using the right words ... No, it was accepted as he was never banned or ever received a warning. Prove it  Prove what? That he was never banned or received a warning? Prove that he was given one. I've actually spoken to the guy (you know, rather than just read Ripards blog and accept it as fact, I made sure to get as many sides of the story from first hand sources as I could), and he's never received a warning or ban for it. He's received 1 unrelated warning for a scam which got deemed as an exploit while he was running it, but that's all.
Lets face it though, there's no way to "prove it" as such, but the fact that GMs and CCP devs responded in the threads about the bonus room and Erotica 1 continue to post in them pretty much proves it beyond a reasonable doubt. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10256
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:04:00 -
[351] - Quote
The worst part of this argument is that I've unwittingly defended Ripard.
I still feel that what E1 did was morally questionable at best (and I put pretty much everything else people do in this game at morally acceptable, including scamming and ganking, but with the exception of most EULA things like botting, RMT). But I will concede that the setting (out-of-game voice chat) was such that the application of the game's rules was not appropriate. I guess I really would not want to be banned for something that I said on comms either, regardless of how actionable this may or may not be within the scope of the game itself.
So I'm bowing out of this discussion. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10256
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:06:00 -
[352] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Dave Stark wrote: the "systematic and/or continued" part invalidates any of the bolded areas.
there was nothing systematic or continued about what E1 did, it was a single bonus room.
Darn you for saying it 1st lol. I imagine that what you will now get from James is some variation of this . That's really tempting and emotionally it's what I want to do in arguments like this but I try to be more open than that. So you get the above message. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
47
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:06:00 -
[353] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:Love how forums have become a bonus-room for all that E1-groupies. They went all in for him and they'll never get him back :> Has nothing to do with that. What it has to do is that because of Riptard's personal vendetta against 1 player, he abused his position on the the CSM by creating a inflammatory blog knowing that it would gain attention to get a player banned for something which happened out of game. If he was so proud of what he did why did he do everything he could to distance himself form the **** storm he caused?
Pretty sure he failed to change EVE as CSM, so he used (!= abused) his influence as blogger to create a shitstorm. Get your arguments straight.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6610
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:09:00 -
[354] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dave Stark wrote: the "systematic and/or continued" part invalidates any of the bolded areas.
there was nothing systematic or continued about what E1 did, it was a single bonus room.
Darn you for saying it 1st lol. I imagine that what you will now get from James is some variation of this . That's really tempting and emotionally it's what I want to do in arguments like this but I try to be more open than that. So you get the above message.
Damnit To Hell with you and your reasonableness, come back here and argue till someone pulls the plug on the internet damn it.
GRRR........
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10259
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:10:00 -
[355] - Quote
Also harassment just seems to be one of those concepts that's extraordinarily difficult to quantify. So I'm not going to keep arguing about that either because we're not going to come to an agreement either way. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3524
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:13:00 -
[356] - Quote
Ab'del Abu wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:Love how forums have become a bonus-room for all that E1-groupies. They went all in for him and they'll never get him back :> Has nothing to do with that. What it has to do is that because of Riptard's personal vendetta against 1 player, he abused his position on the the CSM by creating a inflammatory blog knowing that it would gain attention to get a player banned for something which happened out of game. If he was so proud of what he did why did he do everything he could to distance himself form the **** storm he caused? Pretty sure he failed to change EVE as CSM, so he used (!= abused) his influence as blogger to create a shitstorm. Get your arguments straight. If he wasn't a CSM member, his opinions wouldn't have been hawk-eyed by gaming websites the like to the degree it was. When you have a person in a position of power publicly throwing around words like "torture" to push their own agenda, that is abuse of their position. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2413
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:16:00 -
[357] - Quote
CCP came to the conclusion that they did not want Ero's custom for their own reasons, the notion that Ripard in any way forced their hand or 'persuaded' CCP to act in a way they would not otherwise have done, is to credit Ripard with more influence than any single player has, and is an insult to CCP as a company.
Those who think CCP only acted at the prompting of Ripard, should take the only honorable course of action and quit the game in protest.
I quite enjoyed reading his blog even if I did not always agree with his views.
Mind you, Gevlon's blog is great fun to read. This is not a signature. |

Dave Stark
6150
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:21:00 -
[358] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:CCP came to the conclusion that they did not want Ero's custom for their own reasons, the notion that Ripard in any way forced their hand or 'persuaded' CCP to act in a way they would not otherwise have done, is to credit Ripard with more influence than any single player has, and is an insult to CCP as a company.
Those who think CCP only acted at the prompting of Ripard, should take the only honorable course of action and quit the game in protest.
I quite enjoyed reading his blog even if I did not always agree with his views.
Mind you, Gevlon's blog is great fun to read.
except that doesn't really make sense when ero had been doing nothing more than his business as usual, until ripard blogged about it.
i sincerely doubt it was coincidence that ero got banned shortly after the blog post. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6702
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:22:00 -
[359] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:The worst part of this argument is that I've unwittingly defended Ripard.
I still feel that what E1 did was morally questionable at best (and I put pretty much everything else people do in this game at morally acceptable, including scamming and ganking, but with the exception of most EULA things like botting, RMT). But I will concede that the setting (out-of-game voice chat) was such that the application of the game's rules was not appropriate. I guess I really would not want to be banned for something that I said on comms either, regardless of how actionable this may or may not be within the scope of the game itself.
So I'm bowing out of this discussion.
That was my primary objection to the witch hunt in the first place. I am rather profane on comms at times, as I am sure many of us here are guilty of the same thing as well.
If we can supposedly be banned for things that do NOT take place in the game, that is a very short step from something I don't think anyone here wants to see.
And the other alternative is equally unpalatable. If I outright LIE about someone, blow things enormously out of proportion, and then spread that version of events to the media at large, CCP may have to ban that person regardless of the truth of the matter.
So yeah, screw Ripard Teg. If he was burned out on the game, the least he could do was bow with whatever shred of dignity his carebear apologist ass could muster. Instead of starting the game's biggest mud slinging fight to date. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3524
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:22:00 -
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Indeed it is, but it's pretty much beside the point. The point isn't about whether Erotica 1 should or shouldn't have been banned, it was about the way it was pushed and the ramifications of that. If CCP had taken a petition from a victim and deemed it harassment and dished out a ban, or even if a CSM member had brought it up in house and CCP had dished it out, it would have been accepted.
The problem is that Riptard forced their hand by stiring up bad publicity with overly exaggerated buzzwords. Further to that, the banning was retroactive, so it's like "oh, what you did yesterday was fine yesterday but today it's not fine anymore so BAN BAN BAN!". And it's also about what that means going forward. The line appears to have not been moved, so everything that was previously accepted should in theory be accepted going forward, but what happens next time a CSM member chooses to start a witch hunt against someone they hate? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2413
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:25:00 -
[361] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:CCP came to the conclusion that they did not want Ero's custom for their own reasons, the notion that Ripard in any way forced their hand or 'persuaded' CCP to act in a way they would not otherwise have done, is to credit Ripard with more influence than any single player has, and is an insult to CCP as a company.
Those who think CCP only acted at the prompting of Ripard, should take the only honorable course of action and quit the game in protest.
I quite enjoyed reading his blog even if I did not always agree with his views.
Mind you, Gevlon's blog is great fun to read. except that doesn't really make sense when ero had been doing nothing more than his business as usual, until ripard blogged about it. i sincerely doubt it was coincidence that ero got banned shortly after the blog post.
If what you say is true (and I do not for one moment think it is) then Ripard realy did win Eve Online. This is not a signature. |

Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
47
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:27:00 -
[362] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:Love how forums have become a bonus-room for all that E1-groupies. They went all in for him and they'll never get him back :> Has nothing to do with that. What it has to do is that because of Riptard's personal vendetta against 1 player, he abused his position on the the CSM by creating a inflammatory blog knowing that it would gain attention to get a player banned for something which happened out of game. If he was so proud of what he did why did he do everything he could to distance himself form the **** storm he caused? Pretty sure he failed to change EVE as CSM, so he used (!= abused) his influence as blogger to create a shitstorm. Get your arguments straight. If he wasn't a CSM member, his opinions wouldn't have been hawk-eyed by gaming websites the like to the degree it was. When you have a person in a position of power publicly throwing around words like "torture" to push their own agenda, that is abuse of their position.
People have voted him into that position for him to speak his mind. If he deems E1's behavior a form of torture, a statement many a people and definitions clearly seem to agree with, I would fully expect of a responsible elected representitive to make this case. It would appear CCP's decision (+ the full CMS's approval) of the ban would prove him right.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
111031
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:29:00 -
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It's astonishing, and a bit unnerving, the number of people on this forum who claim to be able to know just exactly what Jester was thinking. People here have listed at least 30 things "that he did...and exactly why he did them". All you can know is what he has written. All else is conjecture and speculation.
To me, this is as nuts as the folks who claim to know what God is thinking. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Dave Stark
6151
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:30:00 -
[364] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:CCP came to the conclusion that they did not want Ero's custom for their own reasons, the notion that Ripard in any way forced their hand or 'persuaded' CCP to act in a way they would not otherwise have done, is to credit Ripard with more influence than any single player has, and is an insult to CCP as a company.
Those who think CCP only acted at the prompting of Ripard, should take the only honorable course of action and quit the game in protest.
I quite enjoyed reading his blog even if I did not always agree with his views.
Mind you, Gevlon's blog is great fun to read. except that doesn't really make sense when ero had been doing nothing more than his business as usual, until ripard blogged about it. i sincerely doubt it was coincidence that ero got banned shortly after the blog post. If what you say is true (and I do not for one moment think it is) then Ripard realy did win Eve Online.
i'm not going to pretend it's the truth and i know better than everyone else, but i just find that it's significantly harder to believe that ccp would ban some one for doing what they're known to have been doing with no change to that player's activities rather than them doing it due to external pressure. Especially when we consider the chronology of the events. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2413
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:30:00 -
[365] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It's astonishing, and a bit unnerving, the number of people on this forum who claim to be able to know just exactly what Jester was thinking. People here have listed at least 30 things "that he did...and exactly why he did them". All you can know is what he has written. All else is conjecture and speculation.
To me, this is as nuts as the folks who claim to know what God is thinking.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6703
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:31:00 -
[366] - Quote
Ab'del Abu wrote: People have voted him into that position for him to speak his mind. If he deems E1's behavior a form of torture, a statement many a people and definitions clearly seem to agree with, I would fully expect of a responsible elected representitive to make this case. It would appear CCP's decision (+ the full CMS's approval) of the ban would prove him right.
That argument falls apart fairly easily when it is mentioned that, if Ripard Teg was actually acting in honesty, then he completely ignored the actual "victim" of this, not only failing to even speak to him but ignoring it when the victim himself contradicted his wild statements.
Ergo, it was not in honesty, and was done to push his agenda. Which fits in nicely since banning scamming, ganking, and pushing a whole bunch of other carebeary things is all **** he has actually said. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1198
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:32:00 -
[367] - Quote
I'm surprised by the number of people being mean, these articles were very nice!
7o Ripard, thank you for making the blog I red the most in 2013-14. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. Beware the french guy!
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Dave Stark
6151
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:35:00 -
[368] - Quote
Altrue wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people being mean, these articles were very nice!
7o Ripard, thank you for making the blog I red the most in 2013-14.
nobody is being mean.
the absence of people fawning doesn't mean that everyone is being mean. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3524
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:36:00 -
[369] - Quote
Ab'del Abu wrote:People have voted him into that position for him to speak his mind. If he deems E1's behavior a form of torture, a statement many a people and definitions clearly seem to agree with, I would fully expect of a responsible elected representitive to make this case. It would appear CCP's decision (+ the full CMS's approval) of the ban would prove him right. OK, so if a CSM member doesn't like you, they can stir up bad press about you too then, until CCP ban you? You consider that acceptable because we voted them into power?
And you think the method for CSM memebrs to communicate their concerns with CCP is to blog about it in ludicrous terms and stir up a shitstorm?
Oh and just FYI, deeming it a form of torture is an insult to people who are legitimate victims of torture. It's like how a **** victim would feel if you said that someone winking at you is ****. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6707
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:38:00 -
[370] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Altrue wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people being mean, these articles were very nice!
7o Ripard, thank you for making the blog I red the most in 2013-14. nobody is being mean. the absence of people fawning doesn't mean that everyone is being mean.
In fairness, I am definitely being mean. I think the man is a dishonest, despicable piece of dirt, and his constituents, such as they are, have more in common with a sock with buttons sown on it than actual thinking, reasoning beings. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6612
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:40:00 -
[371] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Altrue wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people being mean, these articles were very nice!
7o Ripard, thank you for making the blog I red the most in 2013-14. nobody is being mean. the absence of people fawning doesn't mean that everyone is being mean. In fairness, I am definitely being mean. I think the man is a dishonest, despicable piece of dirt, and his constituents, such as they are, have more in common with a sock with buttons sown on it than actual thinking, reasoning beings.
I wish you'd stop holding back so much and tell us how you really feel!

Oh and +1
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Dave Stark
6153
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:40:00 -
[372] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Altrue wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people being mean, these articles were very nice!
7o Ripard, thank you for making the blog I red the most in 2013-14. nobody is being mean. the absence of people fawning doesn't mean that everyone is being mean. In fairness, I am definitely being mean. I think the man is a dishonest, despicable piece of dirt, and his constituents, such as they are, have more in common with a sock with buttons sown on it than actual thinking, reasoning beings.
exception that proves the rule.
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
48
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:41:00 -
[373] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:People have voted him into that position for him to speak his mind. If he deems E1's behavior a form of torture, a statement many a people and definitions clearly seem to agree with, I would fully expect of a responsible elected representitive to make this case. It would appear CCP's decision (+ the full CMS's approval) of the ban would prove him right. OK, so if a CSM member doesn't like you, they can stir up bad press about you too then, until CCP ban you? You consider that acceptable because we voted them into power? .
They are very welcome to try. I don't think I qualify for a ban just for the occasional ganking of miners in w-space ;)
Lucas Kell wrote:Oh and just FYI, deeming it a form of torture is an insult to people who are legitimate victims of torture. It's like how a **** victim would feel if you said that someone winking at you is ****.
LOL, sure. Someone that lost a couple limbs to torture might think differently about a little waterboarding to. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4809
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:42:00 -
[374] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:People have voted him into that position for him to speak his mind. If he deems E1's behavior a form of torture, a statement many a people and definitions clearly seem to agree with, I would fully expect of a responsible elected representitive to make this case. It would appear CCP's decision (+ the full CMS's approval) of the ban would prove him right. OK, so if a CSM member doesn't like you, they can stir up bad press about you too then, until CCP ban you? You consider that acceptable because we voted them into power? And you think the method for CSM memebrs to communicate their concerns with CCP is to blog about it in ludicrous terms and stir up a shitstorm? Oh and just FYI, deeming it a form of torture is an insult to people who are legitimate victims of torture. It's like how a **** victim would feel if you said that someone winking at you is ****.
Elected representatives are allowed to change to the definition of torture?
Oh wait, in some countries they regularly do that
To allow it.
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Dave Stark
6153
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:43:00 -
[375] - Quote
Ab'del Abu wrote:They are very welcome to try. I don't think I qualify for a ban just for the occasional ganking of miners in w-space ;) it does if they feel tortured. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6707
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:45:00 -
[376] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:They are very welcome to try. I don't think I qualify for a ban just for the occasional ganking of miners in w-space ;) it does if they feel tortured.
Or if a sitting CSM member says they do. Even if they don't. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Liese Shardani
Hedion University Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:50:00 -
[377] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:there was nothing systematic or continued about what E1 did, it was a single bonus room.
Umm, by E1's own admission, there were dozens or as many as hundreds of Bonus Rooms, each of them hours in length. Several recordings are easy to find on SoundCloud.
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Dave Stark
6153
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:54:00 -
[378] - Quote
Liese Shardani wrote:Dave Stark wrote:there was nothing systematic or continued about what E1 did, it was a single bonus room. Umm, by E1's own admission, there were dozens or as many as hundreds of Bonus Rooms, each of them hours in length. Several recordings are easy to find on SoundCloud.
yes, with just as many participants. by the definition given, no single participant was "harassed" irrespective of how many participants there were. |

Serene Repose
1363
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:24:00 -
[379] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:. Further to that, the banning was retroactive, so it's like "oh, what you did yesterday was fine yesterday but today it's not fine anymore so BAN BAN BAN!". And it's also about what that means going forward. The line appears to have not been moved, so everything that was previously accepted should in theory be accepted going forward, but what happens next time a CSM member chooses to start a witch hunt against someone they hate? Funny. You, perhaps, sought a preemptive ban? This E1 person, whether anyone wishes to believe it or not, participated in some rather bizarre, if not psychologically disturbed behavior. Anyone who's bothered to familiarize themselves with LAW - the law where the player resides, Icelandic law where CCP resides, the over-arching federal laws of all nations involved (as I've said before) much to your SURPRISE you'll find a lot more in there than "harassment".
And, you will find that incident with "E1" (as he is affectionately called) walked all over several of these laws. That it was brought to CCP's attention belatedly matters not to the law enforcement apparatus of the world. That it was brought to their attention and they took no action makes CCP complicit, and I'll tell you a little secret. None of you would be at the barricades supporting CCP should their rights be trampled. It's laughable to think CCP staff should pay fines or go to jail to appeal to YOUR idea of fairness, justice and propriety.
In fact, reading over this thread, most of the participants haven't got clue one about the actual subject matter, and are busy arguing whether Chicken Little was actually hit with a piece of sky...or maybe it was something else. The real world welcomes you any time you all wish to make an appearance. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6716
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:27:00 -
[380] - Quote
@Serene Repose:
Which country bans making people sing Disney songs? Or laughing at them? Or stealing their video game money?
I mean, it'd be really nice to know which international laws I might be breaking by laughing at someone. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18597
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:31:00 -
[381] - Quote
Liese Shardani wrote:Dave Stark wrote:there was nothing systematic or continued about what E1 did, it was a single bonus room. Umm, by E1's own admission, there were dozens or as many as hundreds of Bonus Rooms, each of them hours in length. Several recordings are easy to find on SoundCloud. Yet CCP failed to do anything about Erotica's antics, over a considerable length of time, until a member of the CSM decided to start a witch hunt with an inflammatory blog post that personally attacked another player.
That implies Erotica's, admittedly distasteful, actions were allowed or at least tolerated by CCP; at least until Ripard decided to publicly call him a despicable, vile, evil human being and accuse him of torture. He didn't even deign to contact the "victim" in this fiasco to ask how he felt about what happened, especially with regards to the so called torture.
Intellectual dishonesty and self serving tabloid journalism are terms that spring to mind, not things I like or want to see from a CSM member.
Nil mortifi sine lucre Never go full Ripard |

Dave Stark
6162
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:34:00 -
[382] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:That implies Eroticas, admittedly distasteful, actions were allowed, or at least tolerated by CCP; at least until Ripard decided to publicly call him a despicable, vile, evil human being and accuse him of torture. He didn't even deign to contact the "victim" in this fiasco to ask how he felt about what happened, especially with regards to the so called torture. can't let the people involved have a say, that'd bias the bias. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4815
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:35:00 -
[383] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote: there were dozens or as many as hundreds of Bonus Rooms That implies Eroticas
Plural
spooky "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Vyl Vit
649
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:36:00 -
[384] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:@Serene Repose:
Which country bans making people sing Disney songs? Or laughing at them? Or stealing their video game money?
I mean, it'd be really nice to know which international laws I might be breaking by laughing at someone. Serene's the wrong one to ask. The real question is, what do you know about the subject? Apparently, not a whole lot. Don't embarrass yourself trying to look clever, or impeccably logical. Inform yourself.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
111032
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:37:00 -
[385] - Quote
Altrue wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people being mean, these articles were very nice!
7o Ripard, thank you for making the blog I red the most in 2013-14.
Seriously.
As if all other bloggers are filled with The Truth. Honestly, they almost all have their own selfish, personal "agendas". But where are the complaints about them ??? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18597
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:37:00 -
[386] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: there were dozens or as many as hundreds of Bonus Rooms That implies Eroticas Plural spooky Missed an apostrophe or two, dammit 
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Vyl Vit
649
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:39:00 -
[387] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:@Serene Repose:Which country bans making people sing Disney songs? Or laughing at them? Or stealing their video game money? I mean, it'd be really nice to know which international laws I might be breaking by laughing at someone. Serene's the wrong one to ask. The real question is, what do you know about the subject? Apparently, not a whole lot. Don't embarrass yourself trying to look clever, or impeccably logical. Inform yourself. Good try Sir Vit! They're going to insist on beating this dead horse till it's molecular structure has dissipated. What is amusing is, some people don't care how stupid they look. That may be because...they're STUPID!
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4815
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:39:00 -
[388] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: there were dozens or as many as hundreds of Bonus Rooms That implies Eroticas Plural spooky Missed an apostrophe dammit  Are you sure? How do you know, right now, hundreds if not THOUSANDS of Erotica clones arent continuing to run the Boners Room empire beneath our very feet!? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
364
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:41:00 -
[389] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:@Serene Repose:Which country bans making people sing Disney songs? Or laughing at them? Or stealing their video game money? I mean, it'd be really nice to know which international laws I might be breaking by laughing at someone. Serene's the wrong one to ask. The real question is, what do you know about the subject? Apparently, not a whole lot. Don't embarrass yourself trying to look clever, or impeccably logical. Inform yourself. Good try Sir Vit! They're going to insist on beating this dead horse till it's molecular structure has dissipated. What is amusing is, some people don't care how stupid they look. That may be because...they're STUPID! It doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself, Vyl. This is psychosis in progress.
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6614
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:41:00 -
[390] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Altrue wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people being mean, these articles were very nice!
7o Ripard, thank you for making the blog I red the most in 2013-14. Seriously. As if all other bloggers are filled with The Truth. Honestly, they almost all have their own selfish, personal "agendas". But where are the complaints about them ???
Other bloggers have nothing to do with this. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6721
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:41:00 -
[391] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Altrue wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people being mean, these articles were very nice!
7o Ripard, thank you for making the blog I red the most in 2013-14. Seriously. As if all other bloggers are filled with The Truth. Honestly, they almost all have their own selfish, personal "agendas". But where are the complaints about them ???
You're kidding, right? First of all, we're not talking about them, we're talking about Riptard.
Secondly, people cry and howl about mynnna damn near every day! All because of what his alliance ticker says.
As opposed to Riptard, where people are disagreeing with what he says and does. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18597
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:42:00 -
[392] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:@Serene Repose:Which country bans making people sing Disney songs? Or laughing at them? Or stealing their video game money? I mean, it'd be really nice to know which international laws I might be breaking by laughing at someone. Serene's the wrong one to ask. The real question is, what do you know about the subject? Apparently, not a whole lot. Don't embarrass yourself trying to look clever, or impeccably logical. Inform yourself. Good try Sir Vit! They're going to insist on beating this dead horse till it's molecular structure has dissipated. What is amusing is, some people don't care how stupid they look. That may be because...they're STUPID! You should remember to change alts when sock puppeting your own posts 
Nil mortifi sine lucre Never go full Ripard |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3531
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:43:00 -
[393] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Funny. You, perhaps, sought a preemptive ban? This E1 person, whether anyone wishes to believe it or not, participated in some rather bizarre, if not psychologically disturbed behavior. Uh no, funnily enough I expect to see a reactive ban. So a player feels they are harassed, petitions it, CCP agrees and applies a ban. In this instance, CCP had been aware, since they commented on previous posts about it. The "victim" had not reported it, as he didn't want a ban as he agreed that no rule was broken. So what, like 6 weeks after the event a ban is applied because a CSM member started a hate campaign? If Ripard wanted to make a culture change and get CCP to enforce a rule going forward, fair enough, but that's not what he wanted, he wanted this one person banned because he hated him personally.
Serene Repose wrote:Anyone who's bothered to familiarize themselves with LAW - the law where the player resides, Icelandic law where CCP resides, the over-arching federal laws of all nations involved (as I've said before) much to your SURPRISE you'll find a lot more in there than "harassment".
And, you will find that incident with "E1" (as he is affectionately called) walked all over several of these laws. That it was brought to CCP's attention belatedly matters not to the law enforcement apparatus of the world. That it was brought to their attention and they took no action makes CCP complicit, and I'll tell you a little secret. None of you would be at the barricades supporting CCP should their rights be trampled. It's laughable to think CCP staff should pay fines or go to jail to appeal to YOUR idea of fairness, justice and propriety. L O L OK space lawyer, tell me all about the Icelandic legal system and how it relates to asking someone to sing songs on voice comms. I mean firstly it would not legally constitute harassment unless it was sustained and the victim was pursued (instead of in this case where the victim refused to leave), and secondly CCP have absolutely no responsibility for what happens on a 3rd party service, and no legal liability for same.
Serene Repose wrote:In fact, reading over this thread, most of the participants haven't got clue one about the actual subject matter Yes, you've made that readily apparent. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6721
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:43:00 -
[394] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:@Serene Repose:
Which country bans making people sing Disney songs? Or laughing at them? Or stealing their video game money?
I mean, it'd be really nice to know which international laws I might be breaking by laughing at someone. Serene's the wrong one to ask. The real question is, what do you know about the subject? Apparently, not a whole lot. Don't embarrass yourself trying to look clever, or impeccably logical. Inform yourself.
Serene was the one claiming to know about all these laws that people are supposedly walking all over by being mean in a videogame.
So yeah, I'd like her to back up her bullshit claim, if that's ok with you. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1177
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:45:00 -
[395] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:@Serene Repose:Which country bans making people sing Disney songs? Or laughing at them? Or stealing their video game money? I mean, it'd be really nice to know which international laws I might be breaking by laughing at someone. Serene's the wrong one to ask. The real question is, what do you know about the subject? Apparently, not a whole lot. Don't embarrass yourself trying to look clever, or impeccably logical. Inform yourself. Good try Sir Vit! They're going to insist on beating this dead horse till it's molecular structure has dissipated. What is amusing is, some people don't care how stupid they look. That may be because...they're STUPID!
Did you just comment on your own quote in the third person? Hmmm...
Don't mind me, folks, I'm just cruising this thread for potential wartargets, while I compose an article for my blog about how Serene Repose's terrible posting constitutes torture.
 www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
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Dave Stark
6162
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:45:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Altrue wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people being mean, these articles were very nice!
7o Ripard, thank you for making the blog I red the most in 2013-14. Seriously. As if all other bloggers are filled with The Truth. Honestly, they almost all have their own selfish, personal "agendas". But where are the complaints about them ??? which ones started a witch hunt to get another player banned? |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3535
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:48:00 -
[397] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:@Serene Repose:Which country bans making people sing Disney songs? Or laughing at them? Or stealing their video game money? I mean, it'd be really nice to know which international laws I might be breaking by laughing at someone. Serene's the wrong one to ask. The real question is, what do you know about the subject? Apparently, not a whole lot. Don't embarrass yourself trying to look clever, or impeccably logical. Inform yourself. Good try Sir Vit! They're going to insist on beating this dead horse till it's molecular structure has dissipated. What is amusing is, some people don't care how stupid they look. That may be because...they're STUPID! lol, alt fail. You lose. Bye Bye, thanks for playing.
By the way "Don't embarrass yourself trying to look clever", or you know, trying to alt-comment on your own posts to give them validation. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
903
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:49:00 -
[398] - Quote
Riptard made the choice to use his position as a blogger and CSM to get E1 banned. After this he lost both. Everything else is just speculation.
It's over and things will keep going. It's not the end! |

Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
48
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:50:00 -
[399] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:People have voted him into that position for him to speak his mind. If he deems E1's behavior a form of torture, a statement many a people and definitions clearly seem to agree with, I would fully expect of a responsible elected representitive to make this case. It would appear CCP's decision (+ the full CMS's approval) of the ban would prove him right. OK, so if a CSM member doesn't like you, they can stir up bad press about you too then, until CCP ban you? You consider that acceptable because we voted them into power? And you think the method for CSM memebrs to communicate their concerns with CCP is to blog about it in ludicrous terms and stir up a shitstorm? Oh and just FYI, deeming it a form of torture is an insult to people who are legitimate victims of torture. It's like how a **** victim would feel if you said that someone winking at you is ****. Elected representatives are allowed to change to the definition of torture? Oh wait, in some countries they regularly do that To allow it.
tell me two things:
1.) where did I say anyone would be allowed to define things in an arbitrary fashion? 2.) how was "the definition" changed by ripard? |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18598
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:50:00 -
[400] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Altrue wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people being mean, these articles were very nice!
7o Ripard, thank you for making the blog I red the most in 2013-14. Seriously. As if all other bloggers are filled with The Truth. Honestly, they almost all have their own selfish, personal "agendas". But where are the complaints about them ??? which ones started a witch hunt to get another player banned? Dave I am disappoint, you missed a great opportunity to link a Monty Python scene there.
Nil mortifi sine lucre Never go full Ripard |
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
637
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:50:00 -
[401] - Quote
Just because I donGÇÖt get caught speeding doesnGÇÖt mean I am not guilty of speeding when I break the speed limit.
You canGÇÖt put CCP in a position that they have to react and then get butthurt when they do because you continue to tip toe to the line and then finally fall over that line.
Every one needs to be held accountable for their actions and answer for those actions. |

Serene Repose
1365
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:51:00 -
[402] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:@Serene Repose:Which country bans making people sing Disney songs? Or laughing at them? Or stealing their video game money? I mean, it'd be really nice to know which international laws I might be breaking by laughing at someone. Serene's the wrong one to ask. The real question is, what do you know about the subject? Apparently, not a whole lot. Don't embarrass yourself trying to look clever, or impeccably logical. Inform yourself. Good try Sir Vit! They're going to insist on beating this dead horse till it's molecular structure has dissipated. What is amusing is, some people don't care how stupid they look. That may be because...they're STUPID! You should remember to change alts when sock puppeting your own posts  Edit : Irony overload when it comes to looking stupid. Or you should be advised we play as a group and are on this forum at the same time for our own amusement. And, hey, here you are still posting to the psychotic thread! Yeah, and more than a little TeamSpeak involved...get a clue will yah? I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6723
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:53:00 -
[403] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Or you should be advised we play as a group and are on this forum at the same time for our own amusement. And, hey, here you are still posting to the psychotic thread! Yeah, and more than a little TeamSpeak involved...get a clue will yah?
So, how 'bout those international laws you kept telling me about?
Care to link a case precedent about how stealing videogame money is illegal? Or maybe singing Disney songs?
How about it? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18598
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:56:00 -
[404] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:@Serene Repose:Which country bans making people sing Disney songs? Or laughing at them? Or stealing their video game money? I mean, it'd be really nice to know which international laws I might be breaking by laughing at someone. Serene's the wrong one to ask. The real question is, what do you know about the subject? Apparently, not a whole lot. Don't embarrass yourself trying to look clever, or impeccably logical. Inform yourself. Good try Sir Vit! They're going to insist on beating this dead horse till it's molecular structure has dissipated. What is amusing is, some people don't care how stupid they look. That may be because...they're STUPID! You should remember to change alts when sock puppeting your own posts  Edit : Irony overload when it comes to looking stupid. Or you should be advised we play as a group and are on this forum at the same time for our own amusement. And, hey, here you are still posting to the psychotic thread! Yeah, and more than a little TeamSpeak involved...get a clue will yah? WTF has that got to do with someone making themselves look like a fool by forgetting to change alts when trying to embiggen himself 
You could at least attempt to make your replies to the post you quoted relevant 
Nil mortifi sine lucre Never go full Ripard |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4815
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:57:00 -
[405] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You could at least attempt to make your replies to the post you quoted relevant 
No, she just switched alts this time when she shouldnt
Never not post drunk lol "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Dave Stark
6168
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:57:00 -
[406] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Just because I donGÇÖt get caught speeding doesnGÇÖt mean I am not guilty of speeding when I break the speed limit.
You canGÇÖt put CCP in a position that they have to react and then get butthurt when they do because you continue to tip toe to the line and then finally fall over that line.
Every one needs to be held accountable for their actions and answer for those actions.
that analogy might work, if ccp weren't aware of erotica's actions. however, due to GM intervention in previous bonus rooms.... they clearly were aware. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6723
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:59:00 -
[407] - Quote
Embiggen is a perfectly cromulent word. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
364
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:01:00 -
[408] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:@Serene Repose:Which country bans making people sing Disney songs? Or laughing at them? Or stealing their video game money? I mean, it'd be really nice to know which international laws I might be breaking by laughing at someone. Serene's the wrong one to ask. The real question is, what do you know about the subject? Apparently, not a whole lot. Don't embarrass yourself trying to look clever, or impeccably logical. Inform yourself. Good try Sir Vit! They're going to insist on beating this dead horse till it's molecular structure has dissipated. What is amusing is, some people don't care how stupid they look. That may be because...they're STUPID! You should remember to change alts when sock puppeting your own posts  Edit : Irony overload when it comes to looking stupid. Look, another frickin' know-it-all internet dweeb! Oh, posting to the Bandwidth Swallowing Thread of Psychosis. Move along. Nothing here. Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |

Liese Shardani
Hedion University Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:02:00 -
[409] - Quote
IIshira wrote:Riptard made the choice to use his position as a blogger and CSM to get E1 banned.
Lost both? Huh? He didn't run for CSM 9, and his term with CSM 8 was ending. He shut down his blog.
I don't see how you get that he lost anything out of that.
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Vyl Vit
649
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:04:00 -
[410] - Quote
Haedonism Bot wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:@Serene Repose:Which country bans making people sing Disney songs? Or laughing at them? Or stealing their video game money? I mean, it'd be really nice to know which international laws I might be breaking by laughing at someone. Serene's the wrong one to ask. The real question is, what do you know about the subject? Apparently, not a whole lot. Don't embarrass yourself trying to look clever, or impeccably logical. Inform yourself. Good try Sir Vit! They're going to insist on beating this dead horse till it's molecular structure has dissipated. What is amusing is, some people don't care how stupid they look. That may be because...they're STUPID! Did you just comment on your own quote in the third person? Hmmm... Don't mind me, folks, I'm just cruising this thread for potential wartargets, while I compose an article for my blog about how Serene Repose's terrible posting constitutes torture.  Edit : Irony overload when it comes to looking stupid. C'mon baby let the good times roll.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6723
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:06:00 -
[411] - Quote
While it was funny to see you trip up so badly, I have reported you for alt posting.
It's also rather telling that you don't think your pathetic opinions can stand on their own merit. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18599
|
Posted - 2014.06.03 16:07:00 -
[412] - Quote
Pok Nibin wrote:Look, another frickin' know-it-all internet dweeb! How does pointing out that Vyl Vit forgot to change alts make me another frickin' know-it-all internet dweeb? Grow up.
That just about describes the area contained between your ears, try actually reading what people post before vomiting your completely unrelated drivel onto our screens.
Nil mortifi sine lucre Never go full Ripard |

Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
287
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:10:00 -
[413] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Liese Shardani wrote:Dave Stark wrote:there was nothing systematic or continued about what E1 did, it was a single bonus room. Umm, by E1's own admission, there were dozens or as many as hundreds of Bonus Rooms, each of them hours in length. Several recordings are easy to find on SoundCloud. Yet CCP failed to do anything about Erotica's antics, over a considerable length of time, until a member of the CSM decided to start a witch hunt with an inflammatory blog post that personally attacked another player. That implies Erotica's, admittedly distasteful, actions were allowed or at least tolerated by CCP; at least until Ripard decided to publicly call him a despicable, vile, evil human being and accuse him of torture. He didn't even deign to contact the "victim" in this fiasco to ask how he felt about what happened, especially with regards to the so called torture. Intellectual dishonesty and self serving tabloid journalism are terms that spring to mind, not things I like or want to see from a CSM member.
So one single bully got some long overdue payback, and people are still crying about it?
H T F U!! Don't Panic.
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Quinn Hatfield
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:16:00 -
[414] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Liese Shardani wrote:Dave Stark wrote:there was nothing systematic or continued about what E1 did, it was a single bonus room. Umm, by E1's own admission, there were dozens or as many as hundreds of Bonus Rooms, each of them hours in length. Several recordings are easy to find on SoundCloud. Yet CCP failed to do anything about Erotica's antics, over a considerable length of time, until a member of the CSM decided to start a witch hunt with an inflammatory blog post that personally attacked another player. That implies Erotica's, admittedly distasteful, actions were allowed or at least tolerated by CCP; at least until Ripard decided to publicly call him a despicable, vile, evil human being and accuse him of torture. He didn't even deign to contact the "victim" in this fiasco to ask how he felt about what happened, especially with regards to the so called torture. Intellectual dishonesty and self serving tabloid journalism are terms that spring to mind, not things I like or want to see from a CSM member. So one single bully got some long overdue payback, and people are still crying about it? H T F U!! Erotica getting banned isn't the problem, I think that the bonus room was OTT but I would never have expected CCP to ban somebody who was doing something that has been done for years simply because a CSM rep decided to climb onto his high horse and go all McCarthy on his ass.
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Serene Repose
1365
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:18:00 -
[415] - Quote
No. Wait. Just because he said he said he said doesn't mean he said what we think he said he said. I for one think everyone should say what they say they say, instead of parading themselves about pretending they said something entirely different. Lord knows there's enough intrusion on our internet rights to say whatever bovine scatology comes into our heads, and gee, me without my mother to make me go out and mow the yard or something productive like that, I might find myself sitting at a keyboard with an overwhelming sense of self-importance that rivals that of Alexander the Great and Napoleon combined, ranting on about things I have no clue about oblivious to the fact that the mere activity of this is equivalent to digital nail-biting on a scale that would make the entire neurosis ward of a state hospital enviable just from the sheer magnitude of the content.
Aside from that set of very simple and easy to understand facts, it must be further stated that stating things further in an endless cycle of textual blizzardry that makes the internet groan under the weight of the bandwidth which must be marshaled to accommodate it has to bring me, somehow, into the light of the great collective of internet history and lore - so much so that I may find myself with a compilation of my posts in a permanent "legends of generating content" exhibit in the first credible internet museum that doesn't require an ID check, credit card number and anti-viral package just to access.
My hope for the future lies in, considering all the electronic angles afforded by unbridled computer engineers plying their trade from within masses of basements of huge, glass and steel buildings dotting the globe like some sort of inefficient bird dung spill, the mere fact that with a keyboard, an appliance even an illiterate chimpanzee can purchase from a local store, and an electrical connection that is probably way too much a month for me to pay for since I refuse to work and blame it on the government, (thanks mom) with her cable hookup guaranteed to exist due to a cultural addiction to inane streams of pixels with laugh tracks attached, I can sit here and type the most idiotic things that leap to mind and because they appear in this very neat format on some website someone created using methods of which I have only a mythological understanding bordering on a pagan religion and it makes me seem SO very important. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |

Dave Stark
6170
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:18:00 -
[416] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote:So one single bully got some long overdue payback, and people are still crying about it?
H T F U!!
you could do this wonderful thing called "reading" before the next wonderful thing known as "posting".
then you'd know that no, that's not what we're talking about. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6727
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:21:00 -
[417] - Quote
Serene Repose, I am still waiting for those international laws people are walking all over by being mean in a videogame.
I mean, surely you weren't just lying through your crooked teeth? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Vyl Vit
649
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:22:00 -
[418] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:No. Wait. Just because he said he said he said doesn't mean he said what we think he said he said. I for one think everyone should say what they say they say, instead of parading themselves about pretending they said something entirely different. Lord knows there's enough intrusion on our internet rights to say whatever bovine scatology comes into our heads, and gee, me without my mother to make me go out and mow the yard or something productive like that, I might find myself sitting at a keyboard with an overwhelming sense of self-importance that rivals that of Alexander the Great and Napoleon combined, ranting on about things I have no clue about oblivious to the fact that the mere activity of this is equivalent to digital nail-biting on a scale that would make the entire neurosis ward of a state hospital enviable just from the sheer magnitude of the content.
Aside from that set of very simple and easy to understand facts, it must be further stated that stating things further in an endless cycle of textual blizzardry that makes the internet groan under the weight of the bandwidth which must be marshaled to accommodate it has to bring me, somehow, into the light of the great collective of internet history and lore - so much so that I may find myself with a compilation of my posts in a permanent "legends of generating content" exhibit in the first credible internet museum that doesn't require an ID check, credit card number and anti-viral package just to access.
My hope for the future lies in, considering all the electronic angles afforded by unbridled computer engineers plying their trade from within masses of basements of huge, glass and steel buildings dotting the globe like some sort of inefficient bird dung spill, the mere fact that with a keyboard, an appliance even an illiterate chimpanzee can purchase from a local store, and an electrical connection that is probably way too much a month for me to pay for since I refuse to work and blame it on the government, (thanks mom) with her cable hookup guaranteed to exist due to a cultural addiction to inane streams of pixels with laugh tracks attached, I can sit here and type the most idiotic things that leap to mind and because they appear in this very neat format on some website someone created using methods of which I have only a mythological understanding bordering on a pagan religion and it makes me seem SO very important. I agree entirely with every word you say, Serene. However, I'd like to add one thing. I want a purple one! Thanks for your brutal honesty! Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
364
|
Posted - 2014.06.03 16:25:00 -
[419] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Serene Repose wrote:No. Wait. Just because he said he said he said doesn't mean he said what we think he said he said. I for one think everyone should say what they say they say, instead of parading themselves about pretending they said something entirely different. Lord knows there's enough intrusion on our internet rights to say whatever bovine scatology comes into our heads, and gee, me without my mother to make me go out and mow the yard or something productive like that, I might find myself sitting at a keyboard with an overwhelming sense of self-importance that rivals that of Alexander the Great and Napoleon combined, ranting on about things I have no clue about oblivious to the fact that the mere activity of this is equivalent to digital nail-biting on a scale that would make the entire neurosis ward of a state hospital enviable just from the sheer magnitude of the content.
Aside from that set of very simple and easy to understand facts, it must be further stated that stating things further in an endless cycle of textual blizzardry that makes the internet groan under the weight of the bandwidth which must be marshaled to accommodate it has to bring me, somehow, into the light of the great collective of internet history and lore - so much so that I may find myself with a compilation of my posts in a permanent "legends of generating content" exhibit in the first credible internet museum that doesn't require an ID check, credit card number and anti-viral package just to access.
My hope for the future lies in, considering all the electronic angles afforded by unbridled computer engineers plying their trade from within masses of basements of huge, glass and steel buildings dotting the globe like some sort of inefficient bird dung spill, the mere fact that with a keyboard, an appliance even an illiterate chimpanzee can purchase from a local store, and an electrical connection that is probably way too much a month for me to pay for since I refuse to work and blame it on the government, (thanks mom) with her cable hookup guaranteed to exist due to a cultural addiction to inane streams of pixels with laugh tracks attached, I can sit here and type the most idiotic things that leap to mind and because they appear in this very neat format on some website someone created using methods of which I have only a mythological understanding bordering on a pagan religion and it makes me seem SO very important. I agree entirely with every word you say, Serene. However, I'd like to add one thing. I want a purple one! Thanks for your brutal honesty! You know, it's genius like this that makes me wish I'd completed more school than just the fat pencil part! Thanks so much for an informative reading on the current state of affairs.
(Thanks, again Jester for a decent, and informative website. Sorry to see it go. Judging by the intelligence of this herd of asshats, and haters, I can see where the shine may have been taken off just a little. Good luck to you, mah man.) Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6616
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:26:00 -
[420] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:No. Wait. Just because he said he said he said doesn't mean he said what we think he said he said. I for one think everyone should say what they say they say, instead of parading themselves about pretending they said something entirely different. Lord knows there's enough intrusion on our internet rights to say whatever bovine scatology comes into our heads, and gee, me without my mother to make me go out and mow the yard or something productive like that, I might find myself sitting at a keyboard with an overwhelming sense of self-importance that rivals that of Alexander the Great and Napoleon combined, ranting on about things I have no clue about oblivious to the fact that the mere activity of this is equivalent to digital nail-biting on a scale that would make the entire neurosis ward of a state hospital enviable just from the sheer magnitude of the content.
Aside from that set of very simple and easy to understand facts, it must be further stated that stating things further in an endless cycle of textual blizzardry that makes the internet groan under the weight of the bandwidth which must be marshaled to accommodate it has to bring me, somehow, into the light of the great collective of internet history and lore - so much so that I may find myself with a compilation of my posts in a permanent "legends of generating content" exhibit in the first credible internet museum that doesn't require an ID check, credit card number and anti-viral package just to access.
My hope for the future lies in, considering all the electronic angles afforded by unbridled computer engineers plying their trade from within masses of basements of huge, glass and steel buildings dotting the globe like some sort of inefficient bird dung spill, the mere fact that with a keyboard, an appliance even an illiterate chimpanzee can purchase from a local store, and an electrical connection that is probably way too much a month for me to pay for since I refuse to work and blame it on the government, (thanks mom) with her cable hookup guaranteed to exist due to a cultural addiction to inane streams of pixels with laugh tracks attached, I can sit here and type the most idiotic things that leap to mind and because they appear in this very neat format on some website someone created using methods of which I have only a mythological understanding bordering on a pagan religion and it makes me seem SO very important.
Gawd dayum, and I thought I had to much time on my hands... |
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Grunanca
Doughboys Shadow Cartel
240
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:26:00 -
[421] - Quote
flakeys wrote:who's jester ?
And why is it a loss for the community when he is unknown for most? |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18599
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:27:00 -
[422] - Quote
Pok Nibin wrote: (Thanks, again Jester for a decent, and informative website. Sorry to see it go. Judging by the intelligence of this herd of asshats, and haters, I can see where the shine may have been taken off just a little. Good luck to you, mah man.)
Speaking of the intelligence of asshats....
Nil mortifi sine lucre Never go full Ripard |

Dave Stark
6170
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:30:00 -
[423] - Quote
Part of me actually feels sorry for ripard, all of the effort he put in to his blog and his legacy will be "the guy that started a witch hunt". |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2415
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:31:00 -
[424] - Quote
That Ripard posted in his blog about the bonus room scam and for some folk to then conclude from this that CCP then, and only then, felt that they had to deal with it, is rather like my doing a rain dance just before a storm and folk concluding that I was the cause of the storm.
I did not care about the scam part of the bonus room, nor getting the mark to sing songs etc, if the mark was daft enough to do these things, Ero and friends were smart enough to let him.
The part I did object to, and considered to be beyond the pale, was where Ero and his buddies made fun of the fact that the mark had a slight speech impediment.
But that is just my personal take on the matter.
Folk who support Ero, should quit the game until CCP reinstate him with suitable compensation in lost skill points etc.
The five or so of you will not be missed. This is not a signature. |

Dave Stark
6170
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:44:00 -
[425] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:That Ripard posted in his blog about the bonus room scam and for some folk to then conclude from this that CCP then, and only then, felt that they had to deal with it, is rather like my doing a rain dance just before a storm and folk concluding that I was the cause of the storm.
I did not care about the scam part of the bonus room, nor getting the mark to sing songs etc, if the mark was daft enough to do these things, Ero and friends were smart enough to let him.
The part I did object to, and considered to be beyond the pale, was where Ero and his buddies made fun of the fact that the mark had a slight speech impediment.
But that is just my personal take on the matter.
Folk who support Ero, should quit the game until CCP reinstate him with suitable compensation in lost skill points etc.
The five or so of you will not be missed.
getting ero back in to the game is irrelevant, the precedent has already been set. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2415
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:53:00 -
[426] - Quote
Dear Dave, I agree, the precedent is that CCP finds some behaviour to be beyond the pale and are prepared to ban some folk for some behaviours.
Sounds good to me. This is not a signature. |

Gregor Parud
567
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:54:00 -
[427] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:That Ripard posted in his blog about the bonus room scam and for some folk to then conclude from this that CCP then, and only then, felt that they had to deal with it, is rather like my doing a rain dance just before a storm and folk concluding that I was the cause of the storm.
I did not care about the scam part of the bonus room, nor getting the mark to sing songs etc, if the mark was daft enough to do these things, Ero and friends were smart enough to let him.
The part I did object to, and considered to be beyond the pale, was where Ero and his buddies made fun of the fact that the mark had a slight speech impediment.
But that is just my personal take on the matter.
Folk who support Ero, should quit the game until CCP reinstate him with suitable compensation in lost skill points etc.
The five or so of you will not be missed. getting ero back in to the game is irrelevant, the precedent has already been set.
Well, you can always quit if you don't like what CCP did.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3535
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:55:00 -
[428] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Folk who support Ero, should quit the game until CCP reinstate him with suitable compensation in lost skill points etc.
The five or so of you will not be missed. Why would we do that, so you can have the rainbow filled carebear game you so desire? Why don;t the few of you that hated Erotica 1 just head of to hello kitty online. We'll stay here with the "victim" who agreed that Erotica 1 did not break the rules.
A better idea though is to scam more, gank more, awox more, laugh and say "HTFU" more to every noob that enters the game. Strictly keeping to the rules, push every carebear to the point of tears then link them CCP HTFU song. At the end of the day, the only reason some people wanted E1 out is because he was a scammer and they had been scammed and thought "hey, this is a way to get our own back", so the best way to deal with those people is to make it worse than before.
All that said, there's nearly zero chance that E1 isn't back in the game already. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3538
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:57:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Well, you can always quit if you don't like what CCP did. Yeah, because if you don't like the way something is being done, you should run away, right? The mind of a teary eyed carebear is so simple.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2501
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:02:00 -
[430] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote: A lot of what he posted was complete rubbish. Many times he posted about events which was so far removed from the truth it was fantasy.
As for the rest, none of it effects anything that happens in game. Nothing in Eve as we know will change. Nobodies play style will change due him no longer blogging. No Alliances will fall, nobody will leave, subs will not dramatically fall, the world will not end.
Everything will go as normal.
Far more influential players have completely left the game and you know what changed.. nothing. Eve went on as normal. So please spare me the dramatics that some guy who has stopped his blog is a terrible event and we will all be worse off.
There are many who have contributed and whose actions have more effect on Eve then Ripard could ever dream of doing.
As for his term on the CSM, he even admits that his Blog was created in order to get him elected. Now he has been there and done that his blog no longer serves any purpose.
He is no longer relevant. (If he ever was to begin with)
This. The highsec pubbie rapture is a myth no matter how many times you shout about it every time CCP attempts to balance the game it will always be a myth. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2415
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:05:00 -
[431] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Folk who support Ero, should quit the game until CCP reinstate him with suitable compensation in lost skill points etc.
The five or so of you will not be missed. Why would we do that, so you can have the rainbow filled carebear game you so desire? Why don;t the few of you that hated Erotica 1 just head of to hello kitty online. We'll stay here with the "victim" who agreed that Erotica 1 did not break the rules. A better idea though is to scam more, gank more, awox more, laugh and say "HTFU" more to every noob that enters the game. Strictly keeping to the rules, push every carebear to the point of tears then link them CCP HTFU song. At the end of the day, the only reason some people wanted E1 out is because he was a scammer and they had been scammed and thought "hey, this is a way to get our own back", so the best way to deal with those people is to make it worse than before. All that said, there's nearly zero chance that E1 isn't back in the game already.
I do not, nor have I ever posted that I favour one sec of the game over another in terms of game balance
I have never asked or suggested that any sec space be altered or amended in any way shape or form.
I do not, nor have I ever hated Ero, I have posted that I found him to be mildly amusing at times and mildly annoying at times.
I did not ask that, or suggest that he be banned from the game.
You really should think before you post dearie.
Still, just posting words to the effect of, "but I'm hard innit" does not require any thinking on your part. This is not a signature. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6731
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:05:00 -
[432] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote: A better idea though is to scam more, gank more, awox more, laugh and say "HTFU" more to every noob that enters the game. Strictly keeping to the rules, push every carebear to the point of tears then link them CCP HTFU song. At the end of the day, the only reason some people wanted E1 out is because he was a scammer and they had been scammed and thought "hey, this is a way to get our own back", so the best way to deal with those people is to make it worse than before.
This the route I took.
And I make sure that every. last. one. of them knows exactly why. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4817
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:07:00 -
[433] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: A better idea though is to scam more, gank more, awox more, laugh and say "HTFU" more to every noob that enters the game. Strictly keeping to the rules, push every carebear to the point of tears then link them CCP HTFU song. At the end of the day, the only reason some people wanted E1 out is because he was a scammer and they had been scammed and thought "hey, this is a way to get our own back", so the best way to deal with those people is to make it worse than before.
This the route I took. And I make sure that every. last. one. of them knows exactly why.
This pleased me so much I nearly smiled
Thats torture
Reported "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1674
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:12:00 -
[434] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Well, you can always quit if you don't like what CCP did. That is Clearly and Thoroughly not the point and you know it gregor. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

Jack Lennox
Killing With a Smile
137
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:20:00 -
[435] - Quote
Oh noes we're losing a blogger. Too bad there's about 129042180 others out there. Been ganked? Robbed? Space feelings hurt?-á Now there's something you can do! Fill out a Customer Service Comment Card!-á EIther that or contact everyone's favorite Space Detective for an instant ban! |

Dave Stark
6178
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:34:00 -
[436] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Dave, I agree, the precedent is that CCP finds some behaviour to be beyond the pale and are prepared to ban some folk for some behaviours.
Sounds good to me.
not sure if you're being obtuse, or if you're actually that dense. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1676
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:38:00 -
[437] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Dave, I agree, the precedent is that CCP finds some behaviour to be beyond the pale and are prepared to ban some folk for some behaviours.
Sounds good to me. not sure if you're being obtuse, or if you're actually that dense. Its that old "LALALALALALAICANTHEARYOULALLALALALA" Defense, just ignore it. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

Dave Stark
6178
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:43:00 -
[438] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Dave, I agree, the precedent is that CCP finds some behaviour to be beyond the pale and are prepared to ban some folk for some behaviours.
Sounds good to me. not sure if you're being obtuse, or if you're actually that dense. Its that old "LALALALALALAICANTHEARYOULALLALALALA" Defense, just ignore it.
that wasn't the point being made and he knows it (i hope). |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
637
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:44:00 -
[439] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Just because I donGÇÖt get caught speeding doesnGÇÖt mean I am not guilty of speeding when I break the speed limit.
You canGÇÖt put CCP in a position that they have to react and then get butthurt when they do because you continue to tip toe to the line and then finally fall over that line.
Every one needs to be held accountable for their actions and answer for those actions. that analogy might work, if ccp weren't aware of erotica's actions. however, due to GM intervention in previous bonus rooms.... they clearly were aware. Being aware and being forced to act are to different things. Had it only been a one time thing then they may not felt the need to act. If it is as you suggest and they were aware and felt action was required based of past history.
E1 broke the rules one time to many and forced CCP to get involved.
I never have understood why people never accept responsability for what they do. "NOT MY FAULT"
Just because E1 got away with it in the past doesn't mean it should have continued.
Now you know where the line is and dont step over it unless you want your peepee wacked.
Dont have to like it but we need to accept it or find another game. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2847
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:45:00 -
[440] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Well, you can always quit if you don't like what CCP did. Yeah, because if you don't like the way something is being done, you should run away, right? The mind of a teary eyed carebear is so simple.
Sounds kind of like Ripard's philosophy on EVE. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2847
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:47:00 -
[441] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: A better idea though is to scam more, gank more, awox more, laugh and say "HTFU" more to every noob that enters the game. Strictly keeping to the rules, push every carebear to the point of tears then link them CCP HTFU song. At the end of the day, the only reason some people wanted E1 out is because he was a scammer and they had been scammed and thought "hey, this is a way to get our own back", so the best way to deal with those people is to make it worse than before.
This the route I took. And I make sure that every. last. one. of them knows exactly why. This pleased me so much I nearly smiled Thats torture Reported
I'll make sure and forward this information to the CSM Anti-Carebear Activities Committee, as well. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |

Dave Stark
6179
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:53:00 -
[442] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Just because E1 got away with it in the past doesn't mean it should have continued. yes, it should have.
either what he was doing was acceptable, and fine to carry on with. or it was not, and he should have been banned from the outset.
it shouldn't be a case of "it's fine until some one starts a witch hunt". |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6747
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:04:00 -
[443] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote: it shouldn't be a case of "it's fine until some one starts a witch hunt".
Which, unfortunately, is the situation we are still left with. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3544
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:09:00 -
[444] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I do not, nor have I ever posted that I favour one sec of the game over another in terms of game balance
I have never asked or suggested that any sec space be altered or amended in any way shape or form.
I do not, nor have I ever hated Ero, I have posted that I found him to be mildly amusing at times and mildly annoying at times.
I did not ask that, or suggest that he be banned from the game.
You really should think before you post dearie.
Still, just posting words to the effect of, "but I'm hard innit" does not require any thinking on your part. lol, yeah, you're just a neutral bystander, suuuuure you are. You may not have stated your thoughts explicitly, but you made you position in this very clear. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1676
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:10:00 -
[445] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote: it shouldn't be a case of "it's fine until some one starts a witch hunt".
Which, unfortunately, is the situation we are still left with. What, like that one IZ started "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2416
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:10:00 -
[446] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Just because E1 got away with it in the past doesn't mean it should have continued. yes, it should have. either what he was doing was acceptable, and fine to carry on with. or it was not, and he should have been banned from the outset. it shouldn't be a case of "it's fine until some one starts a witch hunt".
I should imagine that Ripard is very flattered that you credit him with so much influence and power over CCP.
I know I would be  This is not a signature. |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
626
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:13:00 -
[447] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Just because E1 got away with it in the past doesn't mean it should have continued. yes, it should have. either what he was doing was acceptable, and fine to carry on with. or it was not, and he should have been banned from the outset. it shouldn't be a case of "it's fine until some one starts a witch hunt". I should imagine that Ripard is very flattered that you credit him with so much influence and power over CCP. I know I would be  Then what was the point of his article other than to create bad blood in the community? I personally believe that CCP would have banned Ero anyways with or without Ripard's interference, but that just makes the whole thing worse. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |

Dave Stark
6185
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:14:00 -
[448] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Just because E1 got away with it in the past doesn't mean it should have continued. yes, it should have. either what he was doing was acceptable, and fine to carry on with. or it was not, and he should have been banned from the outset. it shouldn't be a case of "it's fine until some one starts a witch hunt". I should imagine that Ripard is very flattered that you credit him with so much influence and power over CCP. I know I would be 
you'd be flattered if anyone thought of you as anything more than a bumbling fool. don't be flattered. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6747
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:14:00 -
[449] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote: it shouldn't be a case of "it's fine until some one starts a witch hunt".
Which, unfortunately, is the situation we are still left with. What, like that one IZ started 
On himself, you mean. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2417
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:23:00 -
[450] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I do not, nor have I ever posted that I favour one sec of the game over another in terms of game balance
I have never asked or suggested that any sec space be altered or amended in any way shape or form.
I do not, nor have I ever hated Ero, I have posted that I found him to be mildly amusing at times and mildly annoying at times.
I did not ask that, or suggest that he be banned from the game.
You really should think before you post dearie.
Still, just posting words to the effect of, "but I'm hard innit" does not require any thinking on your part. lol, yeah, you're just a neutral bystander, suuuuure you are. You may not have stated your thoughts explicitly, but you made you position in this very clear.
You have the advantage over me good sir, my degree was in History, not Mind Reading  This is not a signature. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1477

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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:30:00 -
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Having scanned this thread and having done a rough estimation on the time investment that would be involved in cleaning it up (i.e. removing all rule breaking posts and those quoting them), added to the fact that most of the thread is a rehash of various volatile discussions that have taken place previously on this forum, it gets a lock. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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