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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 12:08:00 -
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Yup well done on spotting this lucrative exploit.
That is indeed what it is.
I dont hold any malice toward you well done.
Its just another example of someone not thinking in the offices of OCP.
It would have been oh so simple to make this required item part of the random mission generation.
So a random item was picked..
Ho hum there u go..
I guess i better start looking more closley to see if i can spot any exploits..
If you cant fight em join em thats what i say ..
Im putting in an application to Tech as soon as i log bakc on
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 12:21:00 -
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Oh available to all...
No its been cornered..
Now people know whats going on they will undercut each other.
Smashin.
Still an exploit..
An exploit as i see it is something that is in the game helps players and was unintended.
So unless this was intended its an exploit.
Full marks to the guy who posted the FIRST post saying YIIN was exploiting
Cos he was 
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 12:51:00 -
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Yup .. Untill the next big "free market" Exploit
I look at it this way .. Im on lvl 1 Agents.
All you wonderfull guys have just been playing longer.
When i get to the position you gus have passed it will cost me dear.
I do not think this was intended as part of the agent missions system.
Ok its been modified by players.
Was it supposed to be is my point.
I think not.
Exploits/money bugs like this should be squashed as they arise.
After all your not being asked to make the implants.. Just do a job.
People work hard to follow the agents missions now they will have to find extra money.
What if they dont have enough money at the time to buy the things ..
Too bad huh..
No i can see your point and dont disagree with players taking advantage of this BUT it must be seen as an exploit by DEVS and fixed.
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 12:45:45
"Oh available to all...
No its been cornered.."
... It was available to everyone with a working brain; for that matter, still is.
Am sorry if this is a requirement some find too difficult to pass.
"Now people know whats going on they will undercut each other."
Yes; the price of superconductors will go down, just like the prices of implants themselves. Given you're crying the prices of superconductors are at the moment too high and 'exploitive', how's them going down a bad thing, again?
"Still an exploit.."
No, pure and simple. Being able to spot business opportunity and taking advantage of it before others do is good market sense and nothing more.
LOL keep your knickers on.
Jeez
People are allowed their own oppinions you know
Whining about my oppinion wont change it.
And please try to attack the correct person i havent said anything about how high prices are.
Agent missions should not rely on market forces.
Its inconcievable that an agent mission should fail because a player cannot get something because of pc interference.(ie he does not have the money)
Im so tempted to hark on about your selfishness and ignorance but i wont.
That would just inflame you new hights of Flamery.
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 13:10:00 -
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Still an exploit..
An exploit as i see it is something that is in the game helps players and was unintended.
So unless this was intended its an exploit.
Anything that wasn't intended is an exploit? I hate to resort to flaming so early in the morning but you are a fool.
Unintended side effects, player innovations, clever tactics and new strategies for gaining an advantage are the things that make online gaming interesting and fun.
If you want a game whose only features are set out in the manual that comes with it, may I suggest 'Chutes and Ladders'?
An 'exploit' is something which takes advantage of a bug in the code or a loophole in the rules to gain an unfair advantage over other players. This is not a bug, it's not a loophole - and considering EVERYONE had a fair chance to figure this out and take the time to find what SCs were on the market, it's definitely not unfair.
That time of the month?
Im sure you feel Flaming is an elogant pastime.
I dont.
Do you really believe that this is a loophole.
The Agent missions are part of the games main mechanics. Doing this can affect a players ability to complete the mission.
Can you not see that that is unacceptable?
People work HARD to get to the point where an agent is offering something of value and because of an error Pc can screw it up for them?
Nahh it sucks Get a grip use you head.
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 13:32:00 -
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Do you really believe that this is a loophole.
No, it's not a loophole. That's exactly my point. It's a perfectly valid, legal and straightforward method for using a player-based economy driven by supply and demand.
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The Agent missions are part of the games main mechanics.
Yah? Well so is the Market; players have recognized an opportunity to combine a demand created by Agent missions with a supply provided by the Market - and turn the situation to their advantage.
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Doing this can affect a players ability to complete the mission.
Can you not see that that is unacceptable?
No, not at all. I expect to have my ability to do things affected by other players - that's why I play online games.
I could hunt you down and blow your ship up - that would "affect your ability to complete missions." Does that make it an exploit? No, it is part of the game as well.
I can see that you are no open to others views.
This is not a "true market" so dont talk about it as such.
It is TOTALLY controlled by the game mechanics.
Trade items were designed to be moved from point a to point b to make a profit.
This isnt what is happening..
If what you are doing was correct the the sale prices for these items would be in line withe the values u resell them at.
FFS get a grip ..
This is a game and can is controlled when people see things that are so stupid it isnt real they post these comments in the hopes that a DEV will correct the problem.
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:15:00 -
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"LOL keep your knickers on.
Jeez
People are allowed their own oppinions you know
Whining about my oppinion wont change it."
*shrugs* Am sorry you can't tell 'whining' from pointing out you are, imo, wrong. Expressing your opinion may cause others to disagree with you, you know.
"And please try to attack the correct person i havent said anything about how high prices are."
Indeed; you are merely complaining people are exploiting the situation and make others fail agent missions due to lack of money to purchase the necessary goods....
... Sorry, on second thought i guess i really don't get what your point might be. Elaborate, please?.. :s
"Im so tempted to hark on about your selfishness and ignorance but i wont."
Dearie, but you just did; except you have no guts to do it outright, and no leg to stand on considering you're fresh to the agent missions yourself.
... And of course, since i have no part whatsoever in this whole superconductor business, 'tis quite a silly complaint on your part. But that's another story...
Responding to my points is valid and usefull.
You do so with bile and arrogance.
So what
Its not my fault you mix up lots of peoples opinions into one you can understand and apply it to my posts.
Its not my fault you cant make your self understood without all the extra's that impede proper discussion.
Perhaps I should join in.
Nope its beneath me.
You are not listening to what i and others are saying.
Jo
can i acall you Jo..
No. well who gives a ****.
This is an exploit.
the thing at the end of the line on the last sentace is a full stop.
If this was "Real" which it isnt then the stuff you buy at extremly low prices would not stay at extremly low price.
Its because this isnt "real" that it does.
Can you understand that.
Take it one line at a time.
Dont be shy with your incendury response.
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:46:00 -
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As i have said before, some level 2 agents Give superconductors out for missions, one of mine gives me 30 for one mission!
Memory implants are supposed to be rare.
On a side note, i have a large stock of super-conductors i could be willing to part with, as well as 4 memory implants ;)
All depends if im offered a good price.
Capitalism is good 
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:48:00 -
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As i keep saying i dont care that people are getting rich ..
Not arsed.
I care about game mechanics and this = spanner
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:56:00 -
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As i keep saying i dont care that people are getting rich ..
Not arsed.
I care about game mechanics and this = spanner
Why, i just bought up 89 Superconductors for 75k each
Try looking a bit further afield.
Its good that some things are rare, buying 5 superconductors for 3-5m aint too bad, considering you can sell the implant for 15-25m
Not a bad profit for such a small investment :)
Well done 
like i said a spanner.
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Gadgets on 25/09/2003 16:13:47
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Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 16:01:06
"If this was "Real" which it isnt then the stuff you buy at extremly low prices would not stay at extremly low price.
Its because this isnt "real" that it does.
Can you understand that.
Take it one line at a time.
Dont be shy with your incendury response.
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OK dearie; you think small steps are the way to go, maybe you are right. So here goes:
player-driven economy.
players, the people participating in this game.
players buy and sell the goods at prices they deem acceptable.
price is shaped by demand. (and supply, but let's keep thing simple)
if the item is in demand, people are willing to pay more to get the item and the price goes up.
if there is not enough people willing to pay the price, the price of the item goes down.
things being "real" or "not real" does not matter as long as the rules of "not real" are based on "real".
hope this helps.
... Oh, and contrary to your belief i do listen to what you're saying. I simply disagree with you because imo your arguments are weak. :s
HEHE ok lets totally ignore supply.
So when you say players buy and sell stuff you talkin outa ya ass.
Players buy stuff from the numb NPC guys who dont react to te market increase in prices ..
WHOOOO
Please stop embarising yourself
U dumb ass!!!!!
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:11:00 -
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Bored now..
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:28:00 -
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"HEHE ok lets totally ignore supply.
U dumb ass!!!!!"
There's infinite supply trickling in at steady rate. With everyone having the same chance to acquire goods from it.
Does it change the picture much?..
... btw, i thought you're posing to be one that gets unfairly flamed, but doesn't stoop to the level himself? Hope falling off that high horse didn't hurt... :s
So sorry
Did you want to keep to intelligent flaming...
Sly remarks.
ok
Like the last post states IM BORED with this
IM not going to get anywhere since all you do is ignore what people are saying.
I dont care that you are making a lot of money.
I dont care that you percieve this as a normal market process.
I dont care that others are finding it hard to get in on the money.
I care that this is something that is happening and shouldn't
Its a flaw in design.
Can you not even accept that.
if you accept that then you have to accept that it is an exploit.
Now likw i said im bored with this its like hitting your head on a particularily thick brick wall
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:37:00 -
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Bang BAng Boing Bang
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:39:00 -
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:42:00 -
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Why thanks
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.26 08:08:00 -
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Now likw i said im bored with this its like hitting your head on a particularily thick brick wall
I'm guessing a common occurance for this guy judging by his posts.
Yes it is i get bored with selfish people real fast.
Unfortunatly forums are stuffed full of that sort of person.
Looking for exploits and easy ways to screw the other guy.
Reading the forums you can see "sets" of people from thier responses and threads.
The number of people who actually read and digest the information is quite small.
Its as if the skip parts of the information just looking for argument.
Or picking on one point which is realy irrelivent to the discussion.
If you read my posts you will have noticed that there are only a few mostly relating to the m2 joke.
I see this thing here as a similar problem.
Agent missons are here for solo players to progress. They are now being systematically nurfed.
How people can say thats ok i dont know ..
Unless of course they have absolutlty no interest in the agent missions other than making themselves a quik buck.
It gaulls me that the mechanics of the game can be twisted by greedy players and more importantly the situation is not being fixed
If this is how the eve universe will continue i will have to become like the people i dislike in order to progress.
A pirate perhaps.
This is why i am bored.
And yes it is like banging your head on a brick wall.
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