You should consider faction drones. More HP than T2 (plus the Guristas bonus makes them tough to kill before they get scooped again). Good tracking and almost T2 DPS after the changes.

+ they are fairly cheap - compared to augmented and integrated drones.

I underlined the part I am curious about, wouldnt most min/maxers want the augmented for the obvious dps bump? and Integrated are ****.

t2 for worm because a huge bonus to a small amount of hp is still small.
augs for gila, because 500% bonus is pretty sweet.
Gecko for Snake assuming it is still at least the same damage as 2x ogres.

I underlined the part I am curious about, wouldnt most min/maxers want the augmented for the obvious dps bump? and Integrated are ****.

you might as well sell them before the bottom falls out on all gurista ships. they are junk now bandwith that low there`s no point in flying them anymore. I can field 5 lights with every navy ship I have the only pirate ship that can is the rattlesnake and it`s not worth it.

you might as well sell them before the bottom falls out on all gurista ships. they are junk now bandwith that low there`s no point in flying them anymore. I can field 5 lights with every navy ship I have the only pirate ship that can is the rattlesnake and it`s not worth it.

you might as well sell them before the bottom falls out on all gurista ships. they are junk now bandwith that low there`s no point in flying them anymore. I can field 5 lights with every navy ship I have the only pirate ship that can is the rattlesnake and it`s not worth it.

I don't understand why everyone is whining. 1400dps on my Rattlesnake right now. with my Gecko doing more damage than some of my fully fit ships. The Gila has a 500% drone bonus for christs sake.

1400 paper dps.

When you account for the lost damage due to lost missile volleys (since their speed got reduced, more likely to waste volleys) and gecko travel time, I suspect that 1400 number drops a lot lower.

I agree. The Gecko is a, interestingly enough, highly overrated Drone. Omni damage is interesting in PvP in some cases, not every case though. If you're shooting against someone's highest resistance, you can argue you don't deal damage at all at this specific type of resistance. E.g. every hitted 80%+ resistance will decrease the damage of the Gecko by 25%. And after 2 Resistances the damage drops significantly. However, Cruise-Rattles with Rigor II and Flare II or Rapid Heavy-Rattles with Range/Rigor rigs will hit, maybe with decreased damage - but still: Sentry + Cruise / RHM Rattles dish out some beastly dps with a nice application for just the cost of maybe twice the hull. And the Hull isn't that Expensive.

However, Worms and Gilas are somewhat overpowered. Don't get me wrong, i'm not bragging about their power. But still, a Drone-Frig with more Passive Tank and more DPS than an Assault Frig and a 800 DPS cruiser with rapid light missiles. I don't know, it feels broken. On the Other hand, the Worm might be a interesting Low-SP ship since the damage and the HP of the Drones is the racial bonus, which makes the Guristas ships quite good, even with just a Frig-Skill of 2 or Cruiser skill of 2.
In PvP Fleets though - the Gila and the Worm are, imho (and i flew them in a Corp-Fleet) are broken.

I understand enough to know that before the patch players used these ships in pvp and pve a lot different then they are going to now the worm for instance wasen`t used with combat drones it was used with ecm or webbing or even warpscraming drones that`s gone. the gila I can`t say on the pvp part never seen it used in pvp in pve though I do know players liked to carry all different classes of drone from lights to sentry also gone. and the rattlesnake hahaha if anyone is using that in pvp please post there killmail I bet its a good laugh. I do understand trying to make these ships more class specific but giving absurd bonuses and limiting the number of drones at the same time isn`t a good way to expand there use.

I understand enough to know that before the patch players used these ships in pvp and pve a lot different then they are going to now the worm for instance wasen`t used with combat drones it was used with ecm or webbing or even warpscraming drones that`s gone. the gila I can`t say on the pvp part never seen it used in pvp in pve though I do know players liked to carry all different classes of drone from lights to sentry also gone. and the rattlesnake hahaha if anyone is using that in pvp please post there killmail I bet its a good laugh. I do understand trying to make these ships more class specific but giving absurd bonuses and limiting the number of drones at the same time isn`t a good way to expand there use.

1400 paper dps.

When you account for the lost damage due to lost missile volleys (since their speed got reduced, more likely to waste volleys) and gecko travel time, I suspect that 1400 number drops a lot lower.

If you're shooting at something that isn't tackled, it's likely not going to take too much damage anyways, and even if it is the person will just warp off. If you're in tackle range, you don't give a **** about missile velocity or "wasted volleys" because the travel time is pretty well non-existent at web/scram range.

And as for your Gecko travel time complaint, you can always use Sentries. You still get 7.5 effective Sentries just like before patch. You get the added benefit of being able to assign more of them too, and they volley for more and are harder to remove. Add some RHML's, HML's, or even RLML's (missile damage bonus, use whatever you want) and you can shred enemy tackle, Cruisers, anything you want to fit to kill. Who even needs a flight of 5 lights if you have 5 bonused RLML's?

Funny, I don't remember having to ever tackle NPCs to prevent them from running off.

I am a little surprised that people aren't realizing that you can have 2.5x as much damage assisted to a single person when using Rattlesnakes...or five times as much when using Geckos.

all I can say is.. for the past year I had been a dedicated rattlesnake pilot.
I loved the long range of the missiles, I used to have 166km range!
used to be able to carry a full compliment of drones of my choosing.
the day I completed long range targeting V to get my locking range further than my missiles, I find my missile range is now reduced to 111km? which is under my drone control range and usually beyond where my MJD takes me..
in other words, the style of game play I have been training for many months is gone now. Honestly, I have barely played more than a few mins since then, it felt like it pulled the rug out from under me and I haven't regained the will to bother yet.
my RS DPS came up so slightly its not even worth mentioning. I fail to see how others seem to comment that it was a positive thong in any way.
I think the only players that see this as a good rebalance are those who do not fly a rattler.