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tiberiusric
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Posted - 2014.06.03 07:27:00 -
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I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png
The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here?
I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc.
Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.
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tiberiusric
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:33:00 -
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thanks all for at least for the most part keeping this an interesting topic. Apart from the silly 'go get them out and fight for it' comments, i dont need to say how stupid that statement is.
However its not just about renting as a mechanic, im fine with that, i mean i used to fly with NC. and co and understand what a great reimbursment program they have. But i believe that if you own sov then you should have to utilise the resources in there to gain your ISK etc. Create your very own economy to let your alliance survive, The issue i have is that its got the point that say N3/NC/PL can merely control lots and lots of space with just the threat of having a zillion capitals to stop ANYONE ever taking it. The situation only gets worse because gaining trillions of isk allows you to create an unstoppable force. and no matter how many people say 'go fight for it' realistically its not going to happen is it. in fact unless you are CFC the other culprit its near impossible. If you own space then you should live in it, be part of it, grow it, and yes maybe rent some space out. but not hundreds of systems! Now i dont blame the alliances for doing this, if you could why wouldnt you, but this is surely killing nullsec? Yes people may say well youre populating it, well not really. What happened to the real economies, the fights etc. There is nothing left to fight for its all renters. Its cold war time and i dont see it ever changing now.
We now have clearly 2 sides CFC and N3 and everything is now about taking regions purely for isk and rental not to live and grow etc.. Worse than the chinese server. Are we getting to the end game in nullsec?
Personally i would make all nullsec NPC nullsec and get people actually living in nullsec.
If that didnt happen then I would like to see CCP completely move NPC nullsec away from sov. Like perhaps around low sec regions, that would create some interesting content. At the moment not only do these coalitions not live in sov they stay in the npc regions and exploit all the good missions, faction content etc.
I know some people wont agree, but think about it, its only heading in one direction -
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tiberiusric
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:35:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:OP you dont get it.
The massive amount of RMT going on because of rentals is generating a few dozen dudes thousands of dollars in cash.
Alliance heads, CCP, they are all farming dollars out of it on the side. DEVs maybe not directly, but they probably get a cut in envelopes on the side, to keep situation stable, almost certainly.
There is a saying in russian for this: -é-â-+-+ -¦-¦-¦-+-+ -ü-é-Ç-+-ç-î. And they arent going to give up this cash cow. Not the alliance leaders, not others.
Simple as that.
oh i agree with you, doesnt make it right though does it. When people leave because its got to end game, not alot of those people will be buying isk will they. |

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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:50:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Malcanis pretty much nailed it in one.
Yes, he put into two paragraphs what would actually need to entail a number of smaller issues to be addressed at the same time to be fully successful.
My point of view is basically we need to:
1: SHARPLY reduce the ability to easily move capitol fleets, either through time, logistics cost/complexity, range reduction, or likely a combination of all of these things.
2: SHARPLY reduce the ability to easily move large fleets of sub caps via the same methods.
3: Change SOV and/or game mechanics to render caps inferior to sub caps when it comes to taking Sov, making hard hitting and fast moving sub caps fleets more of a danger to SOV than Cap fleets. Further changes to SOV mechanics (specifically timers) to allow timezone participation yes, but remove the ability to use it as a long term delaying tactic.
4: Holding large area's of space should get more profitable the larger those area's are, however they should also become far more difficult to effectively hold... with a distinct emphasis on the later.
5; It should be far easier for a small entity defending a single system than for a large entity to defend countless systems.
The end goal should be for it to be actually very easy to take a system or two (and perhaps easier to hold them) from a large entity. Bigger does not have to mean better.
Even if you lose that system you can easily go take another one until eventually the larger entity tires of retaking space they really don't need (and possibly can no longer afford the time to defend).
Multiple smaller area's of control, and multiple smaller scale engagements, are far far better than what we have now.
I almost feel this is 'after the horse has bolted' its a cold war, so it doesnt matter neither side are bothered about attacking each other on a grand scale at the moment. So getting to each other quicker being nerfed is probably a good thing as it helps protects their assets they now have. You can see it on the map N3 have the south, CFC have the North and both getting richer and bigger everyday, almost like fat cats.
What happens when there is nothing left to take (which is pretty much where we are now). Neither side will attack each other, so thats it then. End game for nullsec.
And even if one side did attack, and one won, what do you think will happen to the other regions? yep all turned to rental space.
God just get rid of standings and go back to having it in your bios - that was the fun days :)
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Posted - 2014.06.03 19:40:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:I find it hilarious how some people think the only way to take down a huge alliance is through firepower. Does no one remember how BoB was finally taken down?
I find it even more funny you think it's that easy. Even if one did get disbanded then that would leave one super power that will just make the enemies space into even more rental estate
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Posted - 2014.06.03 20:18:00 -
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Galadriel Vasquez wrote:answer - no.
i guess youll be still saying that when PL take provi and make it a rental place  |

tiberiusric
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Posted - 2014.06.04 12:49:00 -
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Lifelongnoob wrote:renting suits a lot of player's game styles
not everyone has time to play to constant timers and some players like to just rat / plex exploration sites or do industry stuff.
if the big super blocs want to make easy isk for doing feck all except defend a timer every now and again fair play to them as it makes sense.
renter pays for use of system and gets infrastructure defense from it's landlord.
it is upto the renter to defend his or her assets against roaming gangs but if their pos/sov structures are attacked it means a timer which the super bloc's will fight to defend cos they sometimes get gudfites or super kills from it.
it is a fair deal. safer from invasion but still risky vs roaming gangs. keeps the renter on it's toes
I think you are missing the point slightly |

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Posted - 2014.06.04 15:57:00 -
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Strat Plan wrote:Sato Page wrote:OP should AFK cloaky camp some low true sec ratting system. Screw that. Just go there and ninja rat without paying rent.
Ok let's get back on topic, ta..
I do feel that perhaps it's too late. CAN would have to do something radical to make it change and I don't think they are prepared to. Which could actually be there downfall but given these 2 coalitions holds a large majority of eve subscriptions and vets with multiple accounts I can't see them shaking things up.
Removing the grind of taking so would certainly help, meaning I hubs etc could be taken down quickly without the reinforce mode.
But I think alliances should be restricted to.the amount of sov they own perhaps.
It would be really interesting to hear more ideas on what could make this better but still make nulls fun and dynamic |

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Posted - 2014.06.05 14:13:00 -
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Jaiimez Skor wrote:Anyone remember a time before technetium, when -A- rented 90% of the south, nothing new here, move along, CCP will make some new way of alliances funding themselves and renting will stop, then CCP will nerf that, and we'll go back to renters.
Errmmm i dont think it was quite anywhere near 90% |
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