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tiberiusric Comply Or Die Retribution. 179	Posted - 2014.06.03 07:27:00 - [1] - Quote I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here? I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc. Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster. troll away or not
Karen Avioras Unsung Heroes Spaceship Samurai 750	Posted - 2014.06.03 07:33:00 - [2] - Quote Why dont you start a crusade against them instead of whining?
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 3661	Posted - 2014.06.03 07:33:00 - [3] - Quote Nothing will happen until they get to the sov overhaul. Then we will get a few new ice belts. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2837	Posted - 2014.06.03 07:36:00 - [4] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster. I agree. CCP should pass legislation to pressure the financial outlets of New Eden to make available outrageous low interest loans to these renter corps and alliances, so that they can purchase the pilots and infrastructure necessary to hold sov. After all, sov ownership is a fundamental right that should be available to everyone. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh
Jack Morrison Sinister Spinster Advent of Fate 143	Posted - 2014.06.03 07:46:00 - [5] - Quote Yes, stuff can i haz ? "This is nothing more than a rumor with no basis of fact. Hope that's enough of a confirmation for you guys. :)" Coolstorybro
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4950	Posted - 2014.06.03 07:47:00 - [6] - Quote AFK cloaking will fix this. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
KnowUsByTheDead 1768	Posted - 2014.06.03 07:48:00 - [7] - Quote Start a corp. Recruit. Grow. Take Sov. Stop Complaining. ??????? Profit? Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Adrie Atticus The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans 116	Posted - 2014.06.03 08:01:00 - [8] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster. Go take the sov, PL won't mind.
Amyclas Amatin Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 299	Posted - 2014.06.03 08:05:00 - [9] - Quote KnowUsByTheDead wrote: Start a corp. Recruit. Grow. Take Sov. Stop Complaining. ??????? Profit? What about the part about being stung by bees? Do you have a plan to deal with that? For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today.
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 717	Posted - 2014.06.03 08:06:00 - [10] - Quote PSA how to make a hot thread: Click new topic Type in topic: Eve is becoming:_______ Whine in body click post get popcorn

Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10815	Posted - 2014.06.03 08:16:00 - [11] - Quote It's not as if it's untrue 3 of the 4 top alliances by systems held are renter alliances. PBLRD, NA. and B0T combined are nearly equal in membership to the 3 largest PvP alliances. This is worse than technetium. Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 994	Posted - 2014.06.03 08:17:00 - [12] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here? I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc. Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster. troll away or not CCP did something about it, they nerfed moongoo value, so that systems were more valuable to empires as living quarters than they were as empty buffer space around very-important-towers (tm). Why is it good for nullsec (a) rise in population (b) rise in corporation units that are sized for small gang warfare, that are not deployed to strategic objectives, and thus are not fleeted up in strategic sized units. ie its likely that a good 5 man crew will get a fight or at least intercept some unwary traffic in Vale, without much fear that the CFC will order a cleanup on aisle 9 and eject you with 100 ships when you finally made someone angry by shooting the wrong afktar. In fact they only come when you start with the SBUs or their goo towers, they don't do local security. One imagines that careful observations of NA regions would also locate regions that provide content for small gangs. I do think this is an intermediate phase for the game, a phase where the average bear has the opportunity to lose his or her fear of null, and if you are a risk averse highsec bear, this may be the best time ever to try nullsec life.
KnowUsByTheDead 1768	Posted - 2014.06.03 08:19:00 - [13] - Quote Amyclas Amatin wrote: What about the part about being stung by bees? Do you have a plan to deal with that? I could care less that CFC/Goons control the sov map. I think they are a good group of dudes, including TNT, which I was once part of, before I decided I loathed structure grinding in the Tribute War. Realistically, there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it. Hence a smartass response, and the only advice you can give, with the mechanics in the game. Part of me has hope, for the sake of hilarity, that Mittens and Co. have used the CFC as a sort of "reverse-safari" coalition, and purposely failcascade the donut before it becomes a reality, lol. Because, frankly, the fallout would be total anarchy and amazingly hilarious. But coming onto the forums and complaining about renting certainly isn't going to change anything. Especially with the existence of a search function. And the fact it has been covered about a billion times now. vOv Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 717	Posted - 2014.06.03 08:31:00 - [14] - Quote Andski wrote: It's not as if it's untrue 3 of the 4 top alliances by systems held are renter alliances. PBLRD, NA. and B0T combined are nearly equal in membership to the 3 largest PvP alliances. This is worse than technetium. well i wouldnt expect a massive alliance/coalition to have a small renting alliance. They kinda grow in proportion to their landlord, seeing as how they are responsible for defending that space.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 450	Posted - 2014.06.03 08:35:00 - [15] - Quote I understand people may have issues with power projection. But I don't understand why people have issues with the renting system. If you want nullsec ISK, rent a system. Pay a bill instead of having to grind and defend your own sov. If you want nullsec PVP, kill renters. Surely the renting system provides more (and easy) targets? The increased number of low-to-nullsec wormholes coming in Kronos should make this even easier.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10815	Posted - 2014.06.03 08:36:00 - [16] - Quote Tauranon wrote: CCP did something about it, they nerfed moongoo value, so that systems were more valuable to empires as living quarters than they were as empty buffer space around very-important-towers (tm). Why is it good for nullsec (a) rise in population (b) rise in corporation units that are sized for small gang warfare, that are not deployed to strategic objectives, and thus are not fleeted up in strategic sized units. ie its likely that a good 5 man crew will get a fight or at least intercept some unwary traffic in Vale, without much fear that the CFC will order a cleanup on aisle 9 and eject you with 100 ships when you finally made someone angry by shooting the wrong afktar. In fact they only come when you start with the SBUs or their goo towers, they don't do local security. One imagines that careful observations of NA regions would also locate regions that provide content for small gangs. I do think this is an intermediate phase for the game, a phase where the average bear has the opportunity to lose his or her fear of null, and if you are a risk averse highsec bear, this may be the best time ever to try nullsec life. On the other hand, small gang warfare is irrelevant to the bigger picture. A coalition doesn't collapse because some ratters got blown up or because they lost roaming gangs to gate camps or logoff traps. 0.0 has greater access, sure, but not many people want to play feudalism in space other than botters, independent supercapital builders and multiboxing ratters. Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Dave Stark 6120	Posted - 2014.06.03 08:40:00 - [17] - Quote Well what else do you do when you own 5 houses? you can only live in one of them.
Kaahles Jion Keanturi 32	Posted - 2014.06.03 08:51:00 - [18] - Quote The problem here is called power creep. The problem with "fixing" that is, it's not one single change that is required. You need a whole series of changes in order to manage/stop power creep after a certain point in order to prevent it from becoming a major pain in the arse. Sov mechanics, power projection and ease of logistics are only three of the many things that need to change but a huge set of changes in that direction is very unlikely. Just look at the massive outcry over the recent JF changes, which could have tackled the ease of logistics issue. In the end it didn't really do anything and there is still a massive amount of whining and raging because of it.
Prince Kobol 1855	Posted - 2014.06.03 09:32:00 - [19] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here? I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc. Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster. troll away or not I love these kind of posts. The same people who spout EVE is great because it s a sandbox, if you don't like go back to WoW but as soon as there is something they do not like they are "CCP Must fix x, y or z" You can not have a Sandbox if every time there is something you do not like you go crying to CCP. If you do not like Something then do something about it other then "CCP Blah blah blah" Hell you haven't even suggested how things could be changed.
Pine Marten Viziam Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.06.03 09:46:00 - [20] - Quote How can you fight alliances with trillions of isk that grows by tens if not hundreds of billions of isk a week and no short supply of supercarriers and titans without supers and titans of your own? You don't. Unless CCP changes the way 0.0 and SOV operates (I don't see how because the whole system of renting is done OOG) then the way 0.0 is, is the way it will always be. And what is ccp's rush to change things? Most if not all of the employees of CCP are members of said overload alliances. Why would they ruin their income?

Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1397	Posted - 2014.06.03 09:49:00 - [21] - Quote Karen Avioras wrote: Why dont you start a crusade against them instead of whining? Because what he is complainign is that the current system makes too hard to contest that and too easy to keep control and defend a region you do not even live close by. The game woudl really get more interesting (peopel that played in 0.0 up to the great bob war time know how it was more interesting) if defending a space would need you to be actively at that space. Reducing power projection massively is one step. Making sov system based on the economic (and other) activities and not te compeltely artificial hub system is another step. I for once, think the old POS at moons method was far more interesting. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Mithandra Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep 15	Posted - 2014.06.03 09:51:00 - [22] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here? I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc. Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster. troll away or not Eve is about holding what you have, and beating people around the head who try taking it from you. If an entity can take a system or systems or region over, and then wishes to rent it out that's fine. The Malthusian check comes in when someone else eyes that region. Is the original renter strong enough to defend the region? If not the renters start to move out, the region goes in to flux wars break out and new overlords appear, and the renters flood back in. How is that NOT eve in all its glory?
Kiandoshia Tetragorn SpaceMonkey's Alliance 1742	Posted - 2014.06.03 09:53:00 - [23] - Quote Imagine if the truesec of a system went down (or up I guess) and ice and asteroid belts became less frequent, the more a system is being 'worked' and then it slowly recovers as activity drops....
Remiel Pollard The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals 3285	Posted - 2014.06.03 10:10:00 - [24] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: Will CCP ever do anything about this? Every time someone asks CCP to do something that is entirely within the control of players, what they are actually doing is losing EVE. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. [email protected]
Adira Nictor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2014.06.03 10:23:00 - [25] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here? I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc. Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster. troll away or not Start a corp, we must fight this injustice, I will be happy to join up and help you take back these large areas of 0.0 and make sure others get to enjoy them as well, without renting, but by putting effort into holding their sov.
Silky Cyno School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 31	Posted - 2014.06.03 10:43:00 - [26] - Quote Its the cold war again.
Pine Marten Viziam Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.06.03 10:49:00 - [27] - Quote Adira Nictor wrote: tiberiusric wrote: I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here? I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc. Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster. troll away or not Start a corp, we must fight this injustice, I will be happy to join up and help you take back these large areas of 0.0 and make sure others get to enjoy them as well, without renting, but by putting effort into holding their sov. And where will you be getting your supers from and in such supply that the overlords actually view you as a threat? Wont happen. Nothing will ever change. If anything, get worse. I believe this is why ccp has never made new regions available, since they will just be claimed for their moongoo and then rented out. whats the point in that? Not worth new regions imo. Situation sucks as is. Elite: Dangerous all the way.
Xenuria Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet Market and Contract PVP 863	Posted - 2014.06.03 10:59:00 - [28] - Quote Andski wrote: It's not as if it's untrue 3 of the 4 top alliances by systems held are renter alliances. PBLRD, NA. and B0T combined are nearly equal in membership to the 3 largest PvP alliances. This is worse than technetium. Hey, uh... I think you should look at your corp. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1986	Posted - 2014.06.03 11:00:00 - [29] - Quote Because the whole game is just nullsec. Yeah, right. Stupid. How does one empty the signature?
embrel BamBam Inc. 170	Posted - 2014.06.03 11:03:00 - [30] - Quote Karen Avioras wrote: Why dont you start a crusade against them instead of whining? assume he'd do that successfully, don't you think the day would come where he simply had to rent out part of his newfound empire in order to be able to compete with the other superpowers in Eve. Guess, renting is kind of a game theoretical equilibrium.



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