So:

1) Use income from renter empire to fortify and defend nullsec sphere of interest, including building cap fleets of immeasurable power projection potential.

2) Use increased military might to extend empire by negotiating/strongarming immediate neighbors into NAPs/renter alliances. Increases renter income over time.

3) Make - possibly time limited - NAPs with any power block large enough to be a credible threat to your renter empire.

4) Enforce / demand mandatory fleet participation levels of friendly PvP coalition 'partners', yet don't enforce this except during times of dire need / risk from (the) other major nullsec power block(s).

5) Use renter income to implement SRP among your own core alliance in place of mandatory fleet participation policies, possibly even allowing common line soldiers to directly profit from any PvP losses. Ensures high 'core' fleet participation in case of dire need (IE. any major battle, which actually matters).

6) Use renter income to fund suicide/harassment campaigns of independent PvE players living in HiSec, directly or indirectly (Burn Jita, Miniluv, COREdot...). Serves several purposes:
- Entertaining your own PvP line members during periods of nullsec peace.
- Making it harder for your own members to 'defect' back to HiSec due to their low sec status 'earned' during HiSec ganking campaigns.
- 'Enticing' the HiSec 'pubbies' to join your legions of PvE renter slaves. Over time more renter slaves means increased renter income.

7) Goto 1. Rinse. Repeat.

If this is accurate, then over time we should see an increased level of HiSec harassment, as the disposable income and logistics resources available to The Lord of the Flies increase in proportion to the number of renter peons. Eventually this could make an independent existence in Empire unsustainable. Consider the current number of gankers active in HiSec at any given time is probably less than a few hundred or so.

I feel like Dinsdale now.

I have to say I am loving the amount of blame Goons for this renting culture..

Goons were basically the last to jump on the renting bandwagon

Seriously though, jam as much firepower and tonnage into one Amarr-owned system as you can and demand that the system be ceded to you.

Set a precedent.

Make the False Emperor take you seriously

And fight the 120 rr super fleets with sticks and stones!

I sometimes multitask 5 nyx and a erebus... howabout you?

Money as always, we only want dodixie, jita, amarr, rens, and hek. James can have the rest.

We already did, remember that RVB are us, according to accurate sources like Gevlon Goblin.

Choke highsec gates with wrecks and corpses

Yours or theirs it makes no difference

Make them understand you cannot be ignored

You were around during Burn Jita?

You were around during Burn Jita?

Strategicly wise not but they were the first and gained the most from dominion expansion... or do you rlly find it coiincedance that they were given Deklein (best true sec, most tech moons) from TCF just weeks before the expansion launch?...

In fact, if renting of space is offensive to you, and you believe in strong alliances making use of space for their own members, Deklein is actually a prime example of exactly the conditions you want to see occur across the whole galaxy - an alliance controlling its own space, and having it utilised by its own members.

The solution is to stop having concord sov bills for sov and make it free. This combined with the introduction of about 20 to 30 new null sec region should make it more interesting. If an alliance is able to have a decent SRP without having the needs to rent out 4 or 5 regions, they will not rent out those regions, Very simple.

Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction.

The reason the large rental empires came into fashion were the moongoo nerfes. When an organisation (and null sec alliances are very well organised, we not talking rambling high sec corps in their charming amateurism here) is faced with a nerf to their income, they will have to find something to compensate. Renting is that compensation. Nerfing other stuff has a similar effect: This leads to more organisation, and leads to more stagnation.

The solution is to stop having concord sov bills for sov and make it free. This combined with the introduction of about 20 to 30 new null sec region should make it more interesting. If an alliance is able to have a decent SRP without having the needs to rent out 4 or 5 regions, they will not rent out those regions, Very simple.

With a bunch of new regions and no incentive on taking them because an alliance has enough money from industry and moon mining alone, newer organisations can move into the gap.

Expected consequences

Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space
In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals
Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec
Coalitions will be marginally less stable
Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)

The solution is to stop having concord sov bills for sov and make it free. This combined with the introduction of about 20 to 30 new null sec region should make it more interesting. If an alliance is able to have a decent SRP without having the needs to rent out 4 or 5 regions, they will not rent out those regions, Very simple.

With a bunch of new regions and no incentive on taking them because an alliance has enough money from industry and moon mining alone, newer organisations can move into the gap.

I agree.

CCP should pass legislation to pressure the financial outlets of New Eden to make available outrageous low interest loans to these renter corps and alliances, so that they can purchase the pilots and infrastructure necessary to hold sov. After all, sov ownership is a fundamental right that should be available to everyone.

I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me.

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The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here?

I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc.

Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.

troll away or not

And what is ccp's rush to change things? Most if not all of the employees of CCP are members of said overload alliances. Why would they ruin their income?

If you want to own space, and intend to hold it past the next time someone does the "just deploying for goodfights...err, hang on, you weren't supposed to win any fights or stop fighting, you've done it now, we are gonna grind everything!", you need Supercapitals. And not just having lots is enough, as the Russians found out - you need to have an apocalyptic locust swarm of several hundred of the things, available at a moments notice, in every time zone. If not, your "large enough" supercapital fleet is going to be picked apart by cursory drops, and ravaged by defections to the winning side, until you might as well not bothered having any in the first place.

Guerilla's looking to overthrow a regime don't attack the capital or its main armies. They blow up railroadtracks, fueldepots etc. It destabilizes. You can do that you know? The fight against these dictatorial regime's can be your story.

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symptome devided accourdanly devidable, miniversion monopaly merly a symptome desighn inplenmentation. Therefor intervinance.

Billy, is that you?

I agree.

CCP should pass legislation to pressure the financial outlets of New Eden to make available outrageous low interest loans to these renter corps and alliances, so that they can purchase the pilots and infrastructure necessary to hold sov. [
b]After all, sov ownership is a fundamental right that should be available to everyone.[/b]

I think you know better than that, Ramona. Billy may be lacking in the finer points of grammar, but his posts do usually contain a point.

In a better world where people share everything.. yeah maybe. But this is New Eden.