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Galk
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Posted - 2006.06.09 13:19:00 -
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Missions would be a start.
If you could tell me how there not single player exclusive, id love to hear it.....
Considering how 'you' and many others diss them to hell and back for being exactly that...
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.06.09 13:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Galk
Originally by: Avon
However, you can not have an exclusively single player aspect in Eve, it just won't work.
Weird, iv'e being playing eve over 3 years now, and the game is full of single player aspects.
List them.
List all the parts of this game which are exclusively single player.
1) Loggin in / out ( does that count as 2 )
2) The n00b tutorials. especially the carry the single item from a to b
Bah the list is endless ....... 
But Avon is right - To accomodate all playing styles would be to make Eve into a jack of all trades and master of none.
Opinion Only
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Al Thorr
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.06.09 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Principal
EVE severely lacks entertainment value. Instead it most of the time expects us to entertain ourselves. That's not what some people want.
Rent a movie.
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Victoria Principal
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Posted - 2006.06.09 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Take a guess how many hours a week I actually get to play Eve?
I work full-time, and spend a lot of my free time with my wife and kids.
You are making excuses.
How old is your character? What corp/alliance are you in? How popular are you there? What's your total accumulated wealth in ISK and assets? What's your knowledge of game mechanics? Any alts? I might be wrong, but you seem to be a poor example in this case.
If you actually managed to get where you are playing just a several hours per week, as you seem to suggest, then I'm very impressed. I don't see how I'd be able to manage that, though.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.09 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Principal
Originally by: Avon
Take a guess how many hours a week I actually get to play Eve?
I work full-time, and spend a lot of my free time with my wife and kids.
You are making excuses.
How old is your character? What corp/alliance are you in? How popular are you there? What's your total accumulated wealth in ISK and assets? What's your knowledge of game mechanics? Any alts? I might be wrong, but you seem to be a poor example in this case.
If you actually managed to get where you are playing just a several hours per week, as you seem to suggest, then I'm very impressed. I don't see how I'd be able to manage that, though.
Over 3 years old.
BNC / Band of Brothers
Very popular, if the price is right.
Total in isk and assets? A few billion I guess.
Very good knowledge of game mechanics.
Alts - yes. (Although I hardly see how it makes a difference)
How did I manage to get where I am?
Basically, by doing all the things you want to avoid.
Work with friends, takes some risks, reap the rewards.
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Guth
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Posted - 2006.06.09 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov
Please stop spamming "can I have your stuff" - as it *IS* spam.
Gah, but its such a tradition  
A tradition that should die. A horrible horrible death if I could chose..
I really hate the "we dont care about your points, we just wanna insult you by asking to have your stuff" attitude this single line of a reply gives. It adds nothing to a thread, and is even more insulting that "Dont let the door hit you on the way out", as it says the same but also implies that its good that the person quits, so you can get his stuff.. (a general "you" Dark Shakiri, not you specifically.. Im sure you got enough stuff hehe)
On the topic though: I agree with the OP. Like Avon says, EVE shouldnt suit everyone. It should however be a viable option to those who dont want to put their lives on hold to partake in the fun of EVE. Often that seems the case 
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Mangold
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Posted - 2006.06.09 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Principal
Originally by: Avon
Eve doesn't suit everyone, nor should it.
Probably not. But it somehow doesn't feel right that EVE suits griefers with lots of free time on their hands very well, yet largely fails to do so for those I described.
Utter BS imho. I don't have that many hour online and I'm doing fairly good anyway. The setup with skills and isk is much better than other mmorgs.
You really should join a corp/alliance and team up with other players. There is almost always something happening when I log on.
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Nefrin Maldoes
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Posted - 2006.06.09 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek
its an empty refrigerator box. YOU chose wether its a peice of junk to be thrown out, a castle, a secret hideout, or a rocket ship.
Or a Minmatar ship.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.06.09 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 09/06/2006 16:20:26
Originally by: Nefrin Maldoes
Seriously tho, I don't get why so many people want to get into Massive Multiplayer Online games and then do everything Solo . . . .
My first thought when someone starts complaining about not being able to solo everything is "isk farmer" but that's just me. It's a game. It's a massive game. It's a Massive MULTIPLAYER Online game. There are other online games out there where you can everything you want solo, perhaps EVE isn't just for you. :(
It depends what is meant by Solo.
Those people that never talk to other players and only sell things at whatever price is first offered are a little odd but a lot of so called 'solo' players are just people that tend not to be in a gang or working with someone toward a goal.
People who trade are not playing solo in my book - not if they're any good at it. Even miners aren't playing solo unless they've found a deserted system somewhere that only they know about.
In my book it is only weird playing Eve and avoiding human interaction in all its forms..but that's actually quite difficult to do especially since I'd class forum whoring as part of the game. As long as someone is interacting with other players at some way they are benefiting from this being an MMORPG.
The point of an MMORPG is that you have to respond to the actions of human beings rather than bots and it's very hard to play Eve without encountering the results of some human's decision.
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.06.09 16:37:00 -
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been trying hard to wrk out what the OP is actually trying to say.
it is entirely possible to play EVE as a solo player. some aspects of the game such as higher level plexes and running a POS are probably unobtainable but it doesn't stop anyone enjoying and partaking in missions, mining, trading, manufacturing or PvP.
what EVE doesn't do, which is what the OP is probably finding difficult to understand, is spoonfeed you and "tell" u what to do. u dont have a clear linear set of goals like other games do.
in EVE you have to set your own goals, u have do decide what u want to do and then go and get on with it. for me thats the beauty of this game and why i have played it for longer than any other game whilst still retaining enthusiasm for it.
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Yarrmageddon
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Posted - 2006.06.09 18:26:00 -
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Quote:
Thank God CCP is run by games players and not economists, huh?
So quoted for ******* truth.
Only thing they need to learn is not to fix working things and they're perfect ^^
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Roxanna Kell
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Posted - 2006.06.09 18:35:00 -
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jsut wait for kali this will cahnge , there would be factional warfare, trust me ou will be entretained
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Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2006.06.09 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
LIEEEES! I have to say I quite like Toffee...
That was the first time ever I actually had coke spurting from my nose. Am happy I didn't electrocute myself.
That would have to be one of the saddest ways to go ever. Laughing at a joke and electrocuting yourself by squirting your drink onto your comps power supply in the process.
Er, anyways. Stuff.
On topic: Gotta agree with Avon on this one, and the cup analogy works quite well.
I wanted to say more about this, but for some reason I already forgot what exactly, so I'll shut up before I say something too dumb.
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Zanthe
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Posted - 2006.06.09 19:32:00 -
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Well being a solo player, and I have been a solo player for the 2 some years my account is old(and yes I only have 1 account). And playing when my schedule fits it in, you can do very well in Eve. I frequently go into 0.0 space, sometimes to pvp sometimes to hunt NPC's. Othertimes just to go. I run missions, trade, and even to a little manufactoring. In short I do a little bit of everything Eve has to offer, except Fleet battles no interest in that. You don't need a corporation to do any of those things. Are things more enjoyable in a corp or gang, that depends completely on the people making up said corp or gang.
Of the 100s or 1000's of hours I have played Eve I have grouped maybe 2% of that time. And see no reason to make the game easier/harder for either set of players.
anyway thats my two isk.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.06.09 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: The Goblin
Avon, It should try to accomodate everyone.
If you want to play WoW, play WoW.
EVE is not for everyone, never has been....
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Draizel
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Posted - 2006.06.09 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek
persistent state virtual world's (what MMO's are meant to be, like EVE) are not something that entertains you.
its something that provides you a device with which to entertain yourself.
its a sandbox. not a movie.
its a pile of legos. not a "game".
its an empty refrigerator box. YOU chose wether its a peice of junk to be thrown out, a castle, a secret hideout, or a rocket ship.
But you can only climb into your fort after 3 months of looking at it, staring at it, dreaming up all the many ways you'll customize it....
Then that time is up, you've amassed a small fortune to buy this item, and you are handed your cardboard box.
But something's wrong...you've grown up a bit and learned that it is just a cardboard box...and that, upon closer inspection, it has holes in it.
So you were decieved this first time, no matter. Another object has the child in you leaping joyously. Lego blocks. Surely if you control these you'll have untold amounts of fun, and it will only take you a little under a year to be allowed to touch them.
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Sosus Red
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Posted - 2006.06.09 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sosus Red on 09/06/2006 20:35:15
Originally by: Nefrin Maldoes
Edited by: Nefrin Maldoes on 09/06/2006 15:59:43
Originally by: Kel Shek
Seriously tho, I don't get why so many people want to get into Massive Multiplayer Online games and then do everything Solo . . . .
My first thought when someone starts complaining about not being able to solo everything is "isk farmer" but that's just me. It's a game. It's a massive game. It's a Massive MULTIPLAYER Online game. There are other online games out there where you can everything you want solo, perhaps EVE isn't just for you. :(
MMOG= Massively multiplayer online Game. Multiplayer means more than one player. It does not mean everyone is forced to play on a team with other players and advance the goals of the CEO.
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Hephaesteus
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Posted - 2006.06.09 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Hephaesteus on 09/06/2006 20:51:20
If CCP move lvl 4 agents to low sec i'll quit Eve and find another MMO that suits my taste. Forcing people into low sec is bull**** you just have to look at the map to see where 90/95% of the players are.
If that becomes the case CCP can shove Eve where the sun dont shine.
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2006.06.09 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: The Goblin
Avon, It should try to accomodate everyone.
I think WoW is the game for you.
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Minsc
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Posted - 2006.06.09 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Principal
Originally by: Avon
Take a guess how many hours a week I actually get to play Eve?
I work full-time, and spend a lot of my free time with my wife and kids.
You are making excuses.
How old is your character? What corp/alliance are you in? How popular are you there? What's your total accumulated wealth in ISK and assets? What's your knowledge of game mechanics? Any alts? I might be wrong, but you seem to be a poor example in this case.
If you actually managed to get where you are playing just a several hours per week, as you seem to suggest, then I'm very impressed. I don't see how I'd be able to manage that, though.
Hey I can answer that too
3 years old,
10 man corp,
all real life friends so I hope they like me,
total accumulated personal wealth, a little over a billion...maybe,
knowledge of game mechanics would be pretty high but I'm far from knowing everything about the game.
No alts, 1 account and I live in a 0.2 system in a pirate infested region in empire. I can only ever play maybe a couple hours a week but I have no problem supporting myself and my corp even though I spend most of my time soloing.
If you don't think you can make it in lowsec that is a limitation that you have put entirely on yourself. Many people can and do live successfully out in lowsec without problems, even in pirate infested areas like my home.
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Laramon Questor
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Posted - 2006.06.09 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Principal
Originally by: Avon
Take a guess how many hours a week I actually get to play Eve?
I work full-time, and spend a lot of my free time with my wife and kids.
You are making excuses.
How old is your character? What corp/alliance are you in? How popular are you there? What's your total accumulated wealth in ISK and assets? What's your knowledge of game mechanics? Any alts? I might be wrong, but you seem to be a poor example in this case.
If you actually managed to get where you are playing just a several hours per week, as you seem to suggest, then I'm very impressed. I don't see how I'd be able to manage that, though.
1) About a year and a half
2) CEO of my own corp, no alliance
3) I'm not popular at all if you ask me, but my friends adore me
4) About 3billion
5) Not top tier, but a good working understanding of game mechanics
6) Yes
7) Yes, you're wrong. Most of the info you asked from Avon are available next to his posts. BoB members aren't idiots, just some people think they are.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.06.10 04:24:00 -
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This thread just made me think of a great scene in the movie Gladiator. The one where he walks into the arena solo against five other gladiators and just kills them all quick and efficient. Then he throw his sword into the crowd and shouts,
"Are you not entertained?! .... Are you not entertained? ... Is this not why you are here?"
Then he spits on the ground and walks off as the crowd goes wild.
The whole "I avoid all PvP and don't find Eve entertaining" thing in the OP just seemed to fit with that scene perfectly, or is it just me.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.06.10 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Principal
***snip a bunch of other stuff***
Think Half-Life, for example.
Then go play that, or the hundreds of other games that are like it (not that they're bad).
You have one game, ONE, among hundreds that is different and you want to make it just like all the others.
Eve should be celebrated for its uniqueness, not made into a copy of a dime-a-dozen every other game out there.
Seriously, if you want to play a game that spoon-feeds you everything go and play any one of the many excellent examples of them. Enjoy Eve for its differences when you want a more cerebral experience than just doing what you're told.
Originally by: Panzer Goddess
I podded wrangler, and all I got was this lousy forumban.
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The Goblin
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Posted - 2006.06.10 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Fuujin
Originally by: The Goblin
Avon, It should try to accomodate everyone.
I think WoW is the game for you.
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: The Goblin
Avon, It should try to accomodate everyone.
If you want to play WoW, play WoW.
EVE is not for everyone, never has been....
So EVE shouldnt try to accomodate my play style but it should accommodate your own?
Considering I have been playing longer then you two and I signed up specifically because CCP advertised that I could 'Go it Alone' I think I have as much right to expect something for the time and money I have contributed to the game as anyone else does.
If they had said, 'or go it alone but dont be suprised if we use you to get up and running and then abandon you in favour of a pack of carebears and cowards that cant do anything without a gang' then I probably wouldnt have signed up.
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Wolfways
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Posted - 2006.06.10 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Wolfways on 10/06/2006 13:14:07
Being a new player maybe i've missed something, but can someone explain to me what solo players cannot do that groups can? (Other than fight tougher/more numerous enemies of course)
Btw, i don't know why people are scared of low sec space. In the past few weeks i've spent alot of time in low sec running cargo missions and i've seen two "reds", only one of which attacked me and i made it through the jumpgate before i lost any armour. Low sec is empty!
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The Goblin
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Posted - 2006.06.11 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: The Goblin on 11/06/2006 03:38:55
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Torin
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Posted - 2006.06.11 08:38:00 -
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While many may disagree with the original poster, there is a thread of validity to his arguement. Despite how you feel, there is a "gray area" within Eve where more solitary and new players are lacking content, content that has a great opportunity to offer a deeper backstory to Eve, a greater deal of immersion, and further avenues for roleplaying that many people would love to see.
A solo player may enjoy playing a MMO simply for the immersion, satisfied with the idea that pvp interactions are out there and available to the player. However, they may not want to always invest the time in engaging beyond solo play. Others may simply be timid about the experience. Whatever the case, they deserve the right to pursue what makes them happy. Just as other players with conflicting ideas deserve the right to play as they wish. I think Eve operates very well within this sphere of conflict.
While the poster fails to grasp one of the basic designs of Eve, a breathing universe that is as much player driven as possible, I do think CCP is aware that more solo content and more High sec. content will help retain a greater player base. Eve is a huge playground. I think CCP is smart enough to fashion Eve (and has the capabilities to do so) with both styles in mind, the PvP and the more solitary style player. Doing so creates a larger player base which allows all of us to ultimately benefit from.
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2006.06.11 09:41:00 -
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Well said. There is easily room for both modes and while some things should and will remain the domain of the group (POS, Capital Ships, Fleet Combat) anything that can be used by a solo player without hurting the game (such as T2 support drones) should be available to us.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.06.11 10:05:00 -
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There is a lot that can be done solo in Eve, almost everything. You just won't be as good as people who team up which really is fair enough.
Coming up (hopefully Kali) we will have faction warfare which you can sign on for as an individual. However there will be an element of teamwork and social interaction so that probably won't solve the OPs issue. There will also be PvP.
Exploration sounds interesting and I can see that being soloable. However I would be very suprised if you didn't end up having to go into low sec at some point.
Considering PvP is everywhere in Eve from Jita ganks to fleet battles in the Blind I simiply don't thnik Eve is going to suit anyone so conflict aversive. Eve without PvP would be like Chess where you can't take any pieces. All the pawns would get to the middle of the board and you give up. Like in Eve when you get to the edge of high sec and decide, shall I fire up the weapons or just quit the game?
You can mission run on your own, you can go ratting on your own, you can build stuff on your own and you can mine on your own. You can't claim space or build cap ships but why would you need to if it's just you?
The best content in Eve is player driven, if you choose to avoid other players then you miss the best content. Simple. Play Eve for what it is or play something more to your taste. To play a game you don't like because of what it is and complain about it is just silly. Very very silly.
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Calisto Cody
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Posted - 2006.06.11 10:17:00 -
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myself i am a mostly solo player, i cba always to do joint missions, but i do when i feel in the mood. in the meantime i have my corpies to chat with, eve is what you make it
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