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Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 02:55:00 -
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I am seeking investors that would like to invest into my corporation. I am trying to build a legitament buisness that not only benifits me but makes my investors money as well.
here how it works...
I created a corporation to have access to the shares as a placeholder of value.
I then gave them a value of 1 mill ISK per share. and opening 490 shares to investors. (510 owned by me)
lets say you want to invest in my coporation so you buy 100 shares for 100 mill ISK. (corporation now worth 610 mill(510 me 100 investor#1)
I take the ISK from the shares and invest it into the market to earn more ISK ( I am a stay at home dad so watching market orders all day is a non issue for me)
I will message you a report of the value of the corporation every few days (2-4).
lets say in 2 weeks the value of the corporation goes from 660 mill to 1.2 billion.
at any point you can email me and say you want to sell off your stocks back to me.
at a 1.2 billion ISK net worth, that means each share is worth 1,967,213.11
if you sold me back all 100 shares, you would get back 196,721,311 mill ISK netting you 96,721,311 mill ISK in profit.
you can also hold on to the shares for months if you would like and cash in on your investment later down the road if you are not in need of it. Think of it as a bank account that earns you money.
This is my business oppertunity that I am trying to start up, if you are a potential investor and would like to invest into my corporation and let me earn you ISK, then please PM me for current share rate.
Current rate per share is set at $226,000 per share with 490 shares avalible. Corporation worth $115,000,000
Let me make the ISK for you! |
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
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Posted - 2014.06.04 03:14:00 -
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Great idea. What happens when you are finished running the business and investors still hold shares? How will approach this?
TAUTX Bank: 12.5% of profits paid to investors monthly. More info: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=322582&find=unread |
Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 03:17:00 -
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If I stop doing buisness, the investors will be payed for the value of their current shares.
so if current value is 1.1 mill per share, every investor will get 1.1 mill per share for all the shares they own
plus a long apology email for why I would have to stop running the buisness |
Bayaz Sharvas
Amarr Brewery Co.
Nerfed Alliance Go Away
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Posted - 2014.06.04 03:32:00 -
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what i dont understand is that ur character is 2 weeks old and ur corp is 0 days old. Why would anyone invest in such a young bank/character? |
Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 03:47:00 -
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This is true. While I am new to eve and I just created my corp today. Everyone has to start somewhere and I shouldnt be knocked down because my character is only 2 weeks old and my corp being 0 days old. I have managed to turn 5,000 ISK into 200 million in 2 weeks.
I also thought that at opening shares up at a low 226k per share would help ensure that I am not trying to scam anyone out of their money.
In all, I am just trying to start up a business and make a succesfull one out of it. Everyone has to start somehwere right?
as a trader just starting out, my earning potential is greatly hurt by the little capital that I have, which is why I created this business plan.
my goal is to get at least one investor to prove my business plan works that hopefully then grow it into a big business that has an effect on the game, even if it is a small one. |
Bayaz Sharvas
Amarr Brewery Co.
Nerfed Alliance Go Away
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Posted - 2014.06.04 03:49:00 -
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then why not try for a loan rather then starting a bank? |
Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 03:55:00 -
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Starting a successful bank is a goal for me. Plus investors would make more off of buying shares and selling later rather than just loaning me the money. As for me, I don't get a benefit from 1 over the other |
Michael Bloomberg
Frontiers United
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Posted - 2014.06.04 04:01:00 -
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Quote: 5,000 ISK into 200 million in 2 weeks.
Great, at the rate of a 40,000% profit as you say, you should be netting in a few billion in no time. I see no reason such an entrepreneur as yourself would even need assistance. |
Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 04:07:00 -
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the idea of starting a banking business is cool to me. I mean you have to admit its a good plan, no?
the whole idea is to get into more market areas faster than what I am currently going, sure I could have a few bill in no time, but everyone has billions, I want trillions. can't blame a guy for shooting for the stars.
I had a cool idea and I am trying to pursue it |
Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 04:24:00 -
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Michael Bloomberg wrote:Quote: 5,000 ISK into 200 million in 2 weeks. Great, at the rate of a 40,000% profit as you say, you should be netting in a few billion in no time. I see no reason such an entrepreneur as yourself would even need assistance.
and to be clear, its a 40,000% growth, not profit correct? as 40,000% profit would most likely be unheard of? |
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
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Posted - 2014.06.04 05:04:00 -
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Are you willing to submit to a full api key audit? How will you prove the actual value of your corporation to investors, other than your word? Will shares ever decrease in value?
TAUTX Bank: 12.5% of profits paid to investors monthly. More info: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=322582&find=unread |
Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 05:16:00 -
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I would be willing to do a full api key audit, without giving personal info of course.
the value of the corporation will be the ISK in the corp / number of shares owned.
shares will never decrease in value, they will only increase.
I would imagine that there is a way to set up an api key that only shows corp wallet value, that I could send to all investors so they can monitor the value of the corp for themselves, but I don't think that would include the ISK that is sitting in market buy/sell orders?
so there might be a trust factor that plays into it as far as total amount the corp is worth? The only way for me to build that trust up is to maybe get a small investor first? unless there is a way to have the api key show buy/sell orders as well |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2014.06.04 05:38:00 -
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I'd like a full API key please.
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Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 05:43:00 -
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as far as full API goes, what all do you need to see? |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2014.06.04 05:55:00 -
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Full generally means everything.
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Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 06:39:00 -
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api sent via mail |
Paul VonBel
VonBel
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Posted - 2014.06.04 11:50:00 -
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Also requesting full API.
Are you a market trader? Do you want to chat with other traders? Then join my ingame chat channel: VonBel Trading |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2014.06.04 11:56:00 -
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send me an API and i will check it over tonight. when i get home from work. cheers |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2014.06.04 12:01:00 -
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what is their to stop you just creating more shares their for reduceing the price on the shares as a hole. |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2014.06.04 12:02:00 -
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also sorry for multipul posts.
Are you just station tradeing ? their for no risk to items being lost in transport or are you planning to move items to make better rate of profit ? |
CaptainHellfire
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.04 13:14:00 -
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Sorry to be so direct, but did you for sure think your idea through?
You basically offer an investment where the investor receives 100% of the revenue from his share back?
Whats in for you? If you say: double the total amount of money, you personally only get the doubled amount of your 115mio self-investment.
Why even bother taking somebody else's 100 mio as well to double? why not try to have a higher turnover with only your money.
What I mean, in the current form you have absolutely no benefit from additional money. you don't even take a percentage of the win that you make on the external investment.
Sounds like the perfect investment.
And then there is a general rule in Eve. If something sounds to good, its most likely a scam.
Can you elaborate more precisely why you are ready to manage external funds without personal benefit? |
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
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Posted - 2014.06.04 15:47:00 -
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I would like to invest in you, but I want to clear some things up first. I'll look over the full api later tonight. I'm assuming my returns will only be seen if I cash out my shares? Will there be any other perks or monthly returns I can expect?
I would also like more precise clarification on where the price of shares comes from in the future. Is it a portion of the corp wallet, plus all of the isk investors purchased shares with?
TAUTX Bank: 12.5% of profits paid to investors monthly. More info: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=322582&find=unread |
Governor McMorris
McMorris Inc.
McMorris and Associates
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Posted - 2014.06.04 17:49:00 -
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I'm also very interested in making an investment.
Please get in touch ASAP.
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Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:30:00 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:also sorry for multipul posts.
Are you just station tradeing ? their for no risk to items being lost in transport or are you planning to move items to make better rate of profit ?
station trading, as far as new shares would go, if i did create any new shares they would be at the same price as the old shares.
so the value of the corp goes up instead of the shares prices diluting to where the share holders would lose money.
either way I would not increase shares unless the shareholders approved |
Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:37:00 -
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CaptainHellfire wrote:Sorry to be so direct, but did you for sure think your idea through?
You basically offer an investment where the investor receives 100% of the revenue from his share back?
Whats in for you? If you say: double the total amount of money, you personally only get the doubled amount of your 115mio self-investment.
Why even bother taking somebody else's 100 mio as well to double? why not try to have a higher turnover with only your money.
What I mean, in the current form you have absolutely no benefit from additional money. you don't even take a percentage of the win that you make on the external investment.
Sounds like the perfect investment.
And then there is a general rule in Eve. If something sounds to good, its most likely a scam.
Can you elaborate more precisely why you are ready to manage external funds without personal benefit?
this is why I retain 51% of the shares, so in order for the share holders shares to increas in value, mine have to increase as well ( yes I am buying shares with my money at same price as investors)
the huge benifit for me is having enough money to have a bigger cycle of orders turning around, so instead of having 20 market orders, I have the money for 40, eccentually doubling my daily market orders, there for making money at a faster rate than what I would without investors.
its kinda like the new update for barges, you dont get more yield, you yield faster. |
Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:48:00 -
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Koniforous wrote:I would like to invest in you, but I want to clear some things up first. I'll look over the full api later tonight. I'm assuming my returns will only be seen if I cash out my shares? Will there be any other perks or monthly returns I can expect?
I would also like more precise clarification on where the price of shares comes from in the future. Is it a portion of the corp wallet, plus all of the isk investors purchased shares with?
if all share holders agree, I am sure that I can set up a vertain point that you get a return over time than having to sell.
for instance I could pay out to share holders once over a certain amount per share? Would have to come up with a minimum the shares couldnt go below so I retained a decent capital.
example... once shares hit 2 mill in value, I pay out anything over 1 mill, so you get 1 mill in return per share, thus making all shares back at 1 mill again. but at least you would see ISK without having to sell?
to answer your second question, all the money from the shareholders, including me, is in the corp wallet, I will use the corp wallet for investing into the market.
the value will come from the total value in the corp / number of shares owned.
I will be mining on the side for my own personal wallet, so hope that eases you that I wont be taking money from the corp for my own purchases |
CaptainHellfire
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:29:00 -
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Keanu Revis wrote:this is why I retain 51% of the shares, so in order for the share holders shares to increas in value, mine have to increase as well ( yes I am buying shares with my money at same price as investors)
the huge benifit for me is having enough money to have a bigger cycle of orders turning around, so instead of having 20 market orders, I have the money for 40, eccentually doubling my daily market orders, there for making money at a faster rate than what I would without investors.
its kinda like the new update for barges, you dont get more yield, you yield faster.
I am sorry to point out, that I think you are makeing a logical miscalculation at this point!
while yes, you have twice the "flowthrough", you also have to maintain twice the volume to achieve a certain percentuall profit. Thus tata... you are at 2 / 2, which equals 1. the only thing that is not equal is the time it takes you to update orders, thus makeing you either more inefficient in playing the mindnumbing 0.01isk game or takeing you twice the time for said act.
The common logical sense says: 20 orders that sell 1 item per hour at a set margin make the same "per investment profit" as do 40 orders that sell 1 item per hour at the same margin.
double the investment, double the volume but the same margin in the end. logic can be sadening. |
Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:54:00 -
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CaptainHellfire wrote:Keanu Revis wrote:this is why I retain 51% of the shares, so in order for the share holders shares to increas in value, mine have to increase as well ( yes I am buying shares with my money at same price as investors)
the huge benifit for me is having enough money to have a bigger cycle of orders turning around, so instead of having 20 market orders, I have the money for 40, eccentually doubling my daily market orders, there for making money at a faster rate than what I would without investors.
its kinda like the new update for barges, you dont get more yield, you yield faster. I am sorry to point out, that I think you are makeing a logical miscalculation at this point! while yes, you have twice the "flowthrough", you also have to maintain twice the volume to achieve a certain percentuall profit. Thus tata... you are at 2 / 2, which equals 1. the only thing that is not equal is the time it takes you to update orders, thus makeing you either more inefficient in playing the mindnumbing 0.01isk game or takeing you twice the time for said act. The common logical sense says: 20 orders that sell 1 item per hour at a set margin make the same "per investment profit" as do 40 orders that sell 1 item per hour at the same margin. double the investment, double the volume but the same margin in the end. logic can be sadening.
yes, I get what you are saying, and while that logic is true so is mine.
by owning 51% of the company, I make 51% of all profits from market orders, where investors only make 49% divided amoung them, now it would be more logical for me to increase my share to 55% to make it worth it for me and I might do that now that you have brought it up. But thats the cool part about shares. If it wasnt a good idea, real world business wouldnt be doing it.
if you ever watch shark tank? 10% of a million is always more than 100% of a thousand |
CaptainHellfire
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.04 20:03:00 -
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Keanu Revis wrote:by owning 51% of the company, I make 51% of all profits from market orders
Exactly, you invested 51% of the initial, you hold 51% of the shares and you make 51% of the profit.
If you invest 100% of your own money, you hold 100% of the shares and you make 100% of the profit.
It boils down to the exact same number, believe me.
Its not like 10% of a million compared to 100% of a thousand
its 51% of 200mio
or 100% of 102mio
run the numbers: mathematics dont lie. |
Keanu Revis
Fargo Regional Trading
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Posted - 2014.06.04 20:27:00 -
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CaptainHellfire wrote:Keanu Revis wrote:by owning 51% of the company, I make 51% of all profits from market orders Exactly, you invested 51% of the initial, you hold 51% of the shares and you make 51% of the profit. If you invest 100% of your own money, you hold 100% of the shares and you make 100% of the profit. It boils down to the exact same number, believe me. Its not like 10% of a million compared to 100% of a thousand its 51% of 200mio or 100% of 102mio run the numbers: mathematics dont lie.
yes, this is true. im not disagreeing with you.
with 102 mill, lets say you buy 50 items sell them at 40% profit, once sold you buy the same 50 but margin drops to 30% by the time you get to sell them.
or with 200 mill you buy all 100 (same) items up front and sell them at 40% profit before the margin drops to 30%
thus giving you 10% more margin on those 50 items.
thats where I make my money.
there are too many deals that margins drop before I can buy then sell then buy again and sell again, where if I had the money up front I could have gotten good margins on the whole lot.
is that explained any better?
im not trying to argue with you cause you are right on your logic, 51% is always 51%, but I dont think you know where I am coming from, and it could be to my poor ability to explain it to you?
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