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Mephice
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:22:00 -
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If you invite a friend and elect to receive a plex card once they have gone active then use that plex's to activate another account and keep using plexe's to activate accounts. (Presuming that all of the accounts are yours allowing you to access the 3 buddy per month per account) You will end up with an infinite amount of the Cerebral accelerators that sell for 400Million isk in contracts. it also allows you to have an infinite amount of characters 51 days old which can be sold on the eve character bazaar.
I see this as exploitation if you never intended to pay for any of the accounts cleared. More sophisticated players may even be able to use different IP addresses and further mask their scheme. This is unfair to the players that pay and the players that play to make isk and keep their accounts active. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:36:00 -
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Maybe. But consider three things. First, no matter how many accounts you make, you end up with a net effect of 0 PLEX gained (you use one on the first account, you get another, you use it on the next account, you get another, etc).
Second, consider the velocity of the Cerebral Accelerator market. There is a very small number of people who actually need one (just accounts younger than 30d and collectors). If you're doing this constantly, you will very quickly saturate the market with them driving down the prices.
Third, this is a lot of work making new accounts for what ends up being relatively little gain. (And even more still if you're skilling the accounts to sell). |
Mephice
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:46:00 -
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Those are facts to consider but the bottom line is, I can prosper greatly from this which means that it is possible for others to do the same weather they choose to or not. I have never heard of a rule limiting the amount of accounts any person can have but the reword is intended to attract new players and income for the company. Miss using this would be outside of the intent of the creators and could be exploitation.
If CCP say Go ahead then Lord God Almighty! I'm going to have a lot of those God Damn Things!, but like I said. I pay a lot of money and I would prefer they be limited to their original intent.
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Pelador Rova
Blackstar Privateer Consortium
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:51:00 -
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Whereas interestingly the current price of the accelerator has diminished to 75mil on contracts.
And out of the 65 contracts the highest asking price is 225 mil |
Mephice
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:53:00 -
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I would doubt that i was the first to figure this out. The question is, is this fair to the other players? |
Mephice
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:56:00 -
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Is there an Unfair advantage in having unlimited accounts up to 51 days old without playing and access to these assets. And is this fair to CCP. I'm Sure they didn't make this possible so I could kill a few hours pumping the server full of accounts for my own amusement. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:12:00 -
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Mephice wrote:I would doubt that i was the first to figure this out. The question is, is this fair to the other players?
Yes, because anyone can do it. I don't see how this is actually an issue because it's WAY more effort than it's worth (otherwise everyone would already be doing it). And, sure, go ahead and make a whole bunch of 51d alts, have fun micromanaging all of the core skills for them. |
Tahna Rouspel
BWE Special Forces
Rage Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:24:00 -
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I guess this would be very useful for a bot user. |
Goodgodyourface
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:33:00 -
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OP, I like how you think you're some kind of special snowflake for 'coming up' with this. In reality, you're basing your little scheme on several assumptions:
1.) That the Cerebral Accelerator demand will remain high enough for you to keep reselling them at the cost necessary to maintain this rate (as pointed out, it already doesn't)
2.) That the demand for 51d-old characters on the Char Bazaar will remain high enough for you to keep selling them (it won't, there are only so many casual players you can catch with saying "Look, character with core skills trained up! Buy him to get a quick start to your game!" and anyone who is a dedicated player making alts will do just what you are right now.) |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:38:00 -
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It's worth remembering that transferring a character costs $20 or 2 x PLEX. Will you make more than 1B ISK for the sale of a 51 day character?
Yes, there are some issues with the cerebral accelerator, but none of them game-breaking. A very well planned skill queue can see that character becoming quite potent in a frigate or destroyer. People might actually have fun while using their 20% boosted combat pilot! Perish the thought!
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Mephice
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Posted - 2011.11.25 18:00:00 -
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Can I get some DEV input on this. A yay or nay. There is more complications that I haven't mentioned here that I am reluctant to take advantage of because of the unfair advantage factor. I would prefer that is be disallowed myself but I'm not going to be left behind if it is ok and be the only one that doesn't take advantage of this. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.25 18:05:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Maybe. But consider three things. First, no matter how many accounts you make, you end up with a net effect of 0 PLEX gained (you use one on the first account, you get another, you use it on the next account, you get another, etc).
Second, consider the velocity of the Cerebral Accelerator market. There is a very small number of people who actually need one (just accounts younger than 30d and collectors). If you're doing this constantly, you will very quickly saturate the market with them driving down the prices.
Third, this is a lot of work making new accounts for what ends up being relatively little gain. (And even more still if you're skilling the accounts to sell).
That's actually not bad for someone who just wants infinite gametime for nothing, and absolute boon to botters, especially those who set bots on courier missions in Bestowers. Plex = gametime, and you gain infinite gametime. |
Mephice
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Posted - 2011.11.25 18:54:00 -
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So far every one of you has missed my main point of concern. I am reluctant to mention it because it would undermine tremendous effort I have all ready put into the game. I don't like the idea of free spy alts, 51 free days of game play, the ability to infiltrate enemy corps, unlimited cerebral accelerators or any other advantage that the character would give you but there is one more thing that REALLY bothers me ALOT. This would be worth my time to spend 1,000 hours creating 100,000 accounts only to delete them hours later. That's my problem and I don't want to do it because it doesn't sound like fun. But I can't let someone else take the advantage and miss out myself. That's why I would like a lil DEV input to potently fix this problem and let me get back to playing or give me notice that I'm ganna need to stock up of coffee... |
Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2011.11.25 19:39:00 -
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File a petition. That should be much quicker than asking here. |
HELLBOUNDMAN
Brothers Through Rebellious Actions
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Posted - 2011.11.25 19:45:00 -
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You cannot activate a new account with a plex from what I understand.
Meaning, for every account you create, you have to pay 20 dollars to activate the account before you can use the plex, and before you can receive the plex on the character you used to invite.
So how about instead of getting the same benefit for being so complicated, just buy the plexes and sell them on the market.
Oh, and what you're suggesting may actually be less profitable, since the prices of plexes on the market have been going up recently. |
Mephice
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Posted - 2011.11.25 19:49:00 -
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At one point I tested this and it worked. That is my concern because activating an account requires payment or a plex. |
HELLBOUNDMAN
Brothers Through Rebellious Actions
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Posted - 2011.11.25 19:53:00 -
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Mephice wrote:At one point I tested this and it worked. That is my concern because activating an account requires payment or a plex.
From what I understood you had to specifially pay for the first month, which is 20 bucks, but that may have changed. |
Mephice
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Posted - 2011.11.25 19:57:00 -
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Has anyone tested this recently?
It used to be clearly written in the account information that cretin things were not allowed until the account is activated by payment OR plex. |
Bienator II
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.25 20:07:00 -
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those things are easy to detect for CCP. Since the buddy program isn't used as intended in this case, its up to CCP what happens with you if you do that long enough. (or with the buddy program at large, e.g the removal of plex as reward)
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Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY
Tribal Conclave
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Posted - 2011.11.25 21:05:00 -
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I tested, You can activate accounts via PLEX ( without paying the 18 dollars) and you get the 30 days or the new plex...
BUT... this is good to introduce new players to EVE... If you call a friend and you are a OLD player with some plexes in your's stations you can call him with buddy program and then give him a plex.... he will activate it and get the 51 days Non-trial account...
I did it twice... and now they prefer to pay instead of using plexes... not a bad deal for ccp... since my friends botter me instead of a GM  |
Mephice
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Posted - 2011.11.25 21:18:00 -
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I Absolutely agree that is it a good idea but, I want to see something in place to prohibit exploitation. Such as a player that creates accounts that he never intends to pay for. |
Mephice
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.11.27 19:01:00 -
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Well I'm just going to put it out there. The most bothersome thing about these free active accounts it the holiday and anniversary gifts from CCP. A onetime gift that is intended to be rare and collectable is now at the discretion of a player to harvest freely. I collect many of these items and it occurred to me that I could have an unlimited amount of anything I wanted making them nearly worthless. It also allows a player to flood the contracts market with scams which will eventually generate free income and undermine the player driven market. |
Mephice
Duke Nukem Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.02 07:56:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3221
"As with all item giveaways, we intend these items to be a nice bonus for people actively playing EVE. Therefore, we will be vigilant in monitoring creative attempts to farm these items, and take action on a case to case basis."
And there you have it. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:25:00 -
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Mephice wrote:Well I'm just going to put it out there. The most bothersome thing about these free active accounts it the holiday and anniversary gifts from CCP. A onetime gift that is intended to be rare and collectable is now at the discretion of a player to harvest freely. I collect many of these items and it occurred to me that I could have an unlimited amount of anything I wanted making them nearly worthless. It also allows a player to flood the contracts market with scams which will eventually generate free income and undermine the player driven market.
Its not harvested freely, like the accelerator you have to have an active account to obtain them.
Both these items are significantly valued under the 100 isk amount. So therefore doesn't equate to free plexing. And therefore doesnt generate a mobius loop of infinate accounts.
Scams exist regardless of new items. For your point to be valid you would have to remove all scamming from the game. Of which CCP have a policy of allowing it as part of the player experience.
So where is the problem, logically I dont see one. Ever read the story of the "boy who cried wolf"?
Quote:"As with all item giveaways, we intend these items to be a nice bonus for people actively playing EVE. Therefore, we will be vigilant in monitoring creative attempts to farm these items, and take action on a case to case basis."
And there you have it.
We have what? Most of us where happily aware that CCP keeps tabs on the economy.
And as you have mentioned CCP are watching it and they have qualified economics staff dedicated to these things. So even if they did become problematic and there was a valid reason to be concerned then I'm sure they would intervene. They have given "reassurances" to that in their messages. I'm suprised you beleive CCP aren't aware to these potentital issues if anything.
Been trying to think why you have so much "angst" about it really, and all I can think is it's due to the supply of the cerebral accelerator that provides a boost to learning for newer players for 30 days thats become standard recently. I may be wrong of course. If it is then your obviously passionate about the game, but I'd question wether it was a healthy connection since is the small amount of SP provided in addition really that much to get so worked up about you can't see reason about it? |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:32:00 -
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I have no idea if this exploitation is real or not but let me get this straight.
You discovered this somehow....acknowledged that if it does work like this that it is an exploit....and then decided to publish this information on a public forum that any eve player can read and take advantage of?
If this exploit is real, you should be banned for stupidity and/or promoting an exploit. |
Akara Ito
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:39:00 -
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Mephice wrote:Well I'm just going to put it out there. The most bothersome thing about these free active accounts it the holiday and anniversary gifts from CCP. A onetime gift that is intended to be rare and collectable is now at the discretion of a player to harvest freely. I collect many of these items and it occurred to me that I could have an unlimited amount of anything I wanted making them nearly worthless. It also allows a player to flood the contracts market with scams which will eventually generate free income and undermine the player driven market.
The funny part is: if you go ahead and farm those items they wont be worth much.
And most of the items that CCP hands out end up beeing worth less than 20m.
Most people dont create accounts for 20m and if they do, they wont get 20m at the end.
Yes it means that "unique" items are slightly less unique, but it shouldnt have all that much of an impact unless somebody creates 100k accounts. |
Mephice
Duke Nukem Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:41:00 -
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It's clear that most of you can't or don't read and/or don't comprehend anything I say. I lost most of you with the second word in the title.
I do however find it amusing how confrontational and aggressive some of you are towards other players. It's like you're trying to verbally PvP on the forums themselves. And, if you can read then read the last thing I posted.
It is considered and Exploit so don't do it.
Now please, stop posting and let this thread die... |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.05 13:34:00 -
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Mephice wrote:It's clear that most of you can't or don't read and/or don't comprehend anything I say. I lost most of you with the second word in the title.
See this guys? He's smarter than us. He knows what a paradox is and we don't. Though apparently he's too stupid to realize that hes perpetuating a supposed exploit by making this thread. |
Mephice
Duke Nukem Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.05 16:33:00 -
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Or keep the thread alive, whatever. I'm unsubscribing to it. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.05 17:42:00 -
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Mephice wrote:Or keep the thread alive, whatever. I'm unsubscribing to it.
You should request it gets deleted, as its existence perpetuates any exploit that it denotes. |
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