Miko, you need to post with your pirate alt so we can honor you with bounties.

+1 OP.

Well done for giving it a go and your all, without experience. No better way than throwing yourself in the deep end.

I am pleased to see you took some of the advice given to you in your last thread. Too many people ignore good advice.

I have no idea where the sun came from.

Nice story, thanks for posting it

*Makes note to never to fly a Scythe.

And another like for your wonderful story.

Hey guys,

Just a quick backstory, I have played Eve a bit here and there, but I have never once taken part in PvP. I knew nothing about it. You have 3 char slots in eve but may only train one character at a time, unless you pay more money. (this system works very very well, all skills are based on real time). So i decided to do something i thought, at the time was going to be.. a disaster...

P V P

I don't know why i did this, I was bored and I wanted something fun to do. So I created a character, with no help from anyone or anything, and decided I was now, a pirate. I followed my storyline quest a bit, got a good ship through it, and all the fittings i needed. I made a few million Isk and I was ready to head out to the unknown of space and hopefully shoot down a scrub a dub dub.

This changed everything.

I went to a system, where there was no security at all, ships were free to kill, loot, steal, cheat, pillage anything they desired (pretty friggen cool). I found a system that was quite busy at the time, I warped into the station, checked things out. Wanted to see how many people where there, how many criminals. Its very important to be very thorough and safe in EvE. I decided to pick off a ship about the size of my own, but probably (but who cares) way stronger then myself. I scanned him down. I warped in on him. I locked his ship down so he couldn't fly away from me, or warp out. I began to fire on him, he returned fire, and then...

I blew up.

This led to a good fight chat in general, where I talked about why I was 1 day old and in 0.0 space trying to become a pirate, I told them that there is no better way to find out if you can swim, then swimming for your life.

Next thing i knew, I was in their corp. I was already part of a pirate crew. I was pumped, I read this mail they sent me as I joined.

It was long... as ****

I followed every word, i read every guide and spreadsheet they sent me to. It took a couple hours, It was hard to stick to, but I was determined to give this a shot. Soon after, I was setup in low sec space, never to return to the lights of security systems again. I was now a real pirate.

The post had some long lengthy speech about how ambition was the best way to learn to pvp from the best. It had one section that told me to jump into a fleet, and go fly with them to learn.

I was going to do this. I could handle it.

I hoped

I join a fleet, its about 10pm. I'm nervous, they are already talking words i never have heard. Abbreviations I had no idea what they were. This was...

overwhelming.

I decided to stick with it, **** it i knew i was getting shot down out here. That's why i'm here.

We get the call to warp into our first encounter. Were about 30 ships strong.

We warp

I don't know what is about to happen.

I get in, there is another 30-40 ships waiting for us.

THINGS EXPLODE... Everyone is shouting, were shooting ships down. Everyone is calling out targets, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING. I hear a call "target logics" So i immediately jump on a Scythe and I scramble and web it.

I start to shoot it.

I'm still alive..

There is now 60 or 70 ships flying around, and i'm actually doing something. and best of all, I'M ALIVE.

I shoot down a ship (Clearly not alone)... my first ship.. my first flight.. wow this rocks.. but im still so very lost...

Hours later, were hunting down fleets of ships. I've got a kill or 2 under my belt. Damn this is cool. We lose a scout in a gate camp. Were down to logics.. and one frigate. The call is made.. for a new +1

That's me...... how... the hell...

I'm like SCREW IT. I'm doing this, I ask simple fast questions, I said This is my 2nd day, I don't know what i'm doing, but If you tell me what to do, and you trust me, I will get it done.

The call is a go..

I'm now warping blind into every system we go to. i'm the bait ship, maybe that's for the best.

We jump into a gate, there's 20 ships on the other side, I warp away to a planet as fast as i can, The call is made to jump the gate and engage.

Were in another fire fight. I'm taking down another Scythe (i'm good at this part now, I'm fully confident in my ability to target scythe's). We fight, i'm shot down... I am starting to lose hope right away. We disengage the enemy, slightly beaten.

We dock up, get new ships and head back out to gank them right away. We engage again. This time, I am a lot more careful.

I lock down a ship, Assisted kill ( thats a thing right? I'm proud of it dammit)

Another ship, Assist

A pod floating in space, being pushed around... Targeted, Locked down.. Kill

We fight them for a while, chasing the stragglers. Then we start to break apart, We have now been at it for 4 hours. Big ships dock up and go home. Were left with a handful of ships. We all get a gang of frigates.

Now everyone is at my size, and now i know what i'm doing... sortof, I feel good.

We go out, picking on solo or small gangs of ships. Dog fighting till about 7am. I have no idea where the sun came from all i know is that I was so far gone, i had just had.
..
The best night of gaming, in my life.

15 years of online gaming. Today changed it all.

So, you had HOURS AND HOURS to spend just having a few fights? Wow, it is true that not having a life is good for your EVE...

So, you had HOURS AND HOURS to spend just having a few fights? Wow, it is true that not having a life is good for your EVE...

So, you had HOURS AND HOURS to spend just having a few fights? Wow, it is true that not having a life is good for your EVE...

This post should be titled "Why we play Eve. Come and join in."

Thanks for making me want to go explode more often, it's appreciated.

good to know we have new blood who loves to pewpew, and welcome to EvE

I hope i had never wasted the first 3 months carebearing in HS, too

a cheater

I start to seriously doubt you're a noob in EVE.

This thread is the best.

What a great read!

I love one line that you wrote so much that i put it in my sig.

Truer words were never spoken.

Reading the OP (great story btw) I found myself thinking: Wouldn't it be awesome if EVE had Halo-style sounds. "Double kill!!" "Triple kill!!" "Holy ****!"

Best post that I have read on these forums in the past six months. I'm bookmarking this to be able to send to friends that don't understand this game.

Shiptastic... coined here folks.

I'm loving all the attention btw. Keep it coming, talk more about me.

Okay.
You're not legit, well maybe, but definitely not trustworthy.

Too bad.

Too much positive attention in a too short amount of time
plus the fact that you love this attention and actively ask for more,
plus your need of expressing yourself,
plus the hint that you mostly care about yourself.

People should ask themselves what happens when you don't receive this attention anymore.

No... not trustworthy.

There are definitely fat turtles. A roommate of mine had a fellow I named Sumo. The underside of his turtle shell had a bulge so whenever he'd rest on a rock under a heat lamp he would wobble. The funniest thing is when he was hunting he was super fast. The fishies would always underestimate him because it would look like he's dragging himself along (he'd rarely swim), but one snap of his neck.. and dead fish in his jaws.

Interesting fellow. He had a meltdown and started facing away from people eventually.

All i'm going to say is get over it, and most people care mostly about themselves, this post is my story, and my post, who else would it be about?

Anywho, choose to believe me or not, makes no difference to me. Thanks though for coming to bring another negative response to my posts, stay and make a fool of yourself if you wish.

Great read. Great attitude.

You get the first bounty ive put on anyone.

OP... freaking rad isn't it? :D

Man.... i'm only 4 months or so in but have a lot of roams under my belt now. Your post made me remember my first couple of engagements and you told the story well... took me back a bit.

Hell, I still get all jazzed up on the warp in to an encounter. :P

I like that story. I gave it a like. Would have done more, but that's the best one can do in the forums.

I can imagine there's a few people shocked that I like the story (if they're aware how I rant against PvP in general and ganking in particular).

I especially like how the OP found people who actually helped learn the system and have fun. If I had gotten such help when I started, I probably wouldn't be so against PvP, but I still would hate ganking.

So i'm currently flying a Drake doing L3's but I want to move up to solo L4's unless someone here has a good mission corp for a caldari pilot, In which case let me know :) . Or just a large friendly corp in general.

It seems like the raven is one of the better ships. Thats a lot of money I don't have yet, so just keep grinding L3's till I can afford to buy and fit it?

I'm open to ideas on how to make more ISK as well.

Don'y fly the Raven for another few months. Seriously. You may be space rich and a pirate and all that but ..... you are asking to get eaten flying a BS too soon.


The Drake is a classical example of a ship you will use for the rest of your space life. It's literally amazing even after being hit with the nerf bat

I have made little to no money so far. hense why i was looking for a good way to make isk at this point. Should i just stick with the Drake and do L3s? Thats what i'm getting from the post.

I dont plan to do low sec missions either, but I dont plan on getting into a raven tomorrow, im just gearing for the future.

Loved reading that.

I'm also a bit worried. 2 days old you say?

I better check the insurance on my ships...

Cheers. Add a bounty on my alts head too while your at it. Lets see how high i can get through this post!

Ignacio Daimon!

Hey guys,

Just a quick backstory, I have played Eve a bit here and there, but I have never once taken part in PvP. I knew nothing about it. You have 3 char slots in eve but may only train one character at a time, unless you pay more money. (this system works very very well, all skills are based on real time). So i decided to do something i thought, at the time was going to be.. a disaster...

P V P

I don't know why i did this, I was bored and I wanted something fun to do. So I created a character, with no help from anyone or anything, and decided I was now, a pirate. I followed my storyline quest a bit, got a good ship through it, and all the fittings i needed. I made a few million Isk and I was ready to head out to the unknown of space and hopefully shoot down a scrub a dub dub.

This changed everything.

I went to a system, where there was no security at all, ships were free to kill, loot, steal, cheat, pillage anything they desired (pretty friggen cool). I found a system that was quite busy at the time, I warped into the station, checked things out. Wanted to see how many people where there, how many criminals. Its very important to be very thorough and safe in EvE. I decided to pick off a ship about the size of my own, but probably (but who cares) way stronger then myself. I scanned him down. I warped in on him. I locked his ship down so he couldn't fly away from me, or warp out. I began to fire on him, he returned fire, and then...

I blew up.

This led to a good fight chat in general, where I talked about why I was 1 day old and in 0.0 space trying to become a pirate, I told them that there is no better way to find out if you can swim, then swimming for your life.

Next thing i knew, I was in their corp. I was already part of a pirate crew. I was pumped, I read this mail they sent me as I joined.

It was long... as ****

I followed every word, i read every guide and spreadsheet they sent me to. It took a couple hours, It was hard to stick to, but I was determined to give this a shot. Soon after, I was setup in low sec space, never to return to the lights of security systems again. I was now a real pirate.

The post had some long lengthy speech about how ambition was the best way to learn to pvp from the best. It had one section that told me to jump into a fleet, and go fly with them to learn.

I was going to do this. I could handle it.

I hoped

I join a fleet, its about 10pm. I'm nervous, they are already talking words i never have heard. Abbreviations I had no idea what they were. This was...

overwhelming.

I decided to stick with it, **** it i knew i was getting shot down out here. That's why i'm here.

We get the call to warp into our first encounter. Were about 30 ships strong.

We warp

I don't know what is about to happen.

I get in, there is another 30-40 ships waiting for us.

THINGS EXPLODE... Everyone is shouting, were shooting ships down. Everyone is calling out targets, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING. I hear a call "target logics" So i immediately jump on a Scythe and I scramble and web it.

I start to shoot it.

I'm still alive..

There is now 60 or 70 ships flying around, and i'm actually doing something. and best of all, I'M ALIVE.

I shoot down a ship (Clearly not alone)... my first ship.. my first flight.. wow this rocks.. but im still so very lost...

Hours later, were hunting down fleets of ships. I've got a kill or 2 under my belt. Damn this is cool. We lose a scout in a gate camp. Were down to logics.. and one frigate. The call is made.. for a new +1

That's me...... how... the hell...

I'm like SCREW IT. I'm doing this, I ask simple fast questions, I said This is my 2nd day, I don't know what i'm doing, but If you tell me what to do, and you trust me, I will get it done.

The call is a go..

I'm now warping blind into every system we go to. i'm the bait ship, maybe that's for the best.

We jump into a gate, there's 20 ships on the other side, I warp away to a planet as fast as i can, The call is made to jump the gate and engage.

Were in another fire fight. I'm taking down another Scythe (i'm good at this part now, I'm fully confident in my ability to target scythe's). We fight, i'm shot down... I am starting to lose hope right away. We disengage the enemy, slightly beaten.

We dock up, get new ships and head back out to gank them right away. We engage again. This time, I am a lot more careful.

I lock down a ship, Assisted kill ( thats a thing right? I'm proud of it dammit)

Another ship, Assist

A pod floating in space, being pushed around... Targeted, Locked down.. Kill

We fight them for a while, chasing the stragglers. Then we start to break apart, We have now been at it for 4 hours. Big ships dock up and go home. Were left with a handful of ships. We all get a gang of frigates.

Now everyone is at my size, and now i know what i'm doing... sortof, I feel good.

We go out, picking on solo or small gangs of ships. Dog fighting till about 7am. I have no idea where the sun came from all i know is that I was so far gone, i had just had.
..
The best night of gaming, in my life.

15 years of online gaming. Today changed it all.

Congrats. You are winning EvE.

This.

This is how Eve should be enjoyed! Keep up the great work!

Miko, I decided to send you a little gift. Please don't advertise the character sent it. that's my in-game toon and I don't want it known on the forums

Well played.
I really enjoyed reading that.

Thank you, I enjoyed writing it.

Tank the Drake correctly and you will be able to run L4's in it. Just be careful running extravaganza. and make a choice of HAM versus HM. If you go HAM you need something to swat those pesky webbing rats.

not legit? When did I try to get anything out of anyone? No one is asking you to hang around here. I love the people I have met here so far. If there comes a time when i'm actually trying to scam something out of someone, then you can spew your nonsensical bull-fruit.

I have also openly posted my character and my pvp toon. Why the heck do i care. I want to meet these people and if its in the cards, get blown up by them all. Maybe, JUST maybe i'll get to blow one of them up, or maybe at least put up a good fight.

Just because your in a game where people cheat and steal (hate to tell you but this is just as likely in the real world) doesn't mean everyone having a good time is out to do the same.

Lighten up, unclench your cheeks.

Definately an alt.

Definitely jelly. Did you need a hug?

This is great.

I made this toon almost a year a go to get in FW and PVP, and it's only been within the last few months that I've started to get my pirate legs and get more kills than losses.

I wish I could have started out just as you did.

Congrats!!!!!!

Troll OP or not, if we could get more newbros out of highsec before they get swallowed up by the sheeple mentality we might get more new player retention.

+1 would read again.

Troll OP or not, if we could get more newbros out of highsec before they get swallowed up by the sheeple mentality we might get more new player retention.

+1 would read again.

If staying in hisec and away from PvP provided as many tools and mechanics to generate your own content as PvP does, EVE would be in the millions of subscribers.

Rather than hope that 1 in a thousand noobs "gets it" on his own (assuming this thread is not a troll), CCP would be smart to ensure that whatever noobs got on their own, it was a right thing to do.

I have NEVER based anywhere except high sec. I do not PvP, join player corps, mine in low sec or null sec, or buy plex (on a scholarship budget). I do not 'multi-box' or 'afk mine'.

I mine in high sec, build what I can, buy what I want.

Now, with just over a year of playing EvE, I have over 100 ships and 4 billion isk. These assets are now on a new toon building skills for use.

I know other players have more ships/isk, but I am satisfied with my success so far and don't plan to change. I even sent Miko 500 million isk for that excellent OP.

My whole point is staying is high sec and mining CAN work if you're patient. I got my patience from being a Over-The-Road trucker for 19 years. That patience is not very common. If CCP wants to retain new players, they need to realize new player need some idea they can actually succeed without having to join a player corp.

The player corps in this game abuse noobs and convince them to go to other games

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Yes, of course it works... for a couple of years. Then you will have several accounts, will be running a POS or doing advanced PI stuff, will have collected several BPOs and will be chuggin along, happy to have achieved your goals. Then, one day, you will wonder what else is left to do, where does your mastery of hisec take you next.

Then EVE will backstab you and once you're on the ground, staring at the ceiling in disbelief as life and hope abandon you, she will pee in your face and shout: "PvP, a-hole! You should had been exploding ships all the time as there is nothing else left to do and I'd rather die than give you anything worth your time, effort and money... You Disgusting Useless CAREBEAR!!!"

Which translated into developer lingo, is: "now you should leave your comfort zone, meet other people and kill them to explore the other tools provided by the sandbox".

Preferably from day 1.

Preferably by making friends first at Something Awful if your goal is nullsec.

That, or buy the same Lucky Ticket as the OP...

first of all, I'm only running one account and don't plan to run a second.

second, I am comfortable in my comfort zone and will leave the game before leaving high sec unless miners can be armed.

third, null sec is not my goal (neither is low sec)

last, CCP has already been trying to force me out of high sec and I couldn't care less.

What is this obsession with pvp? I mean, I heartily congratulate the OP on embracing Eve and for having a great time, and I enjoyed reading the story.

Personally - and I don't care what the haters will say - I'd love someone to come with a noob story and say "I got myself a covops and traversed the universe in search of adventures and riches and loved it" and for the community to respond with - awesome, glad to hear it.

People keep mentioning low player rentention and suggesting it has to do with being wardecced or that they aren't properly eased into pvp.

My view - and a personal experience - is that most people come from PVE mmos and when they encounter the visually beautiful Eve they think they are going to experience the best PVE of their gaming lifetime. After completing the training missions the biggest cry you hear is ...so what now? Well go join a gank corp and blow some ships up, is the reply. Hmmm, isn't that a little soulless? A tad dull?

What would maintain new player rentention and boost numbers is PVE - lots of it, deep lore, factions actually mean something, each player faction having unique attributes....well, I've talked about this before, the list is endless. I imagine most - and I've talked to quite a few - who abandon Eve after a few days/weeks go back to PVE-centric mmos.

I love EvE - and I love the unique aspects, including the danger of being ganked and all the pvp related stuff. don't mind it at all. Just a little tired of all those who shout - now this guy "gets it". Well I get it - but pvp does not interest me. I continue playing because eve is the most intelligent and visually stunning game around - but I only keep playing with the hope that PVE will one day become a primary focus.

Agreed all the way up to "the hope that PVE will one day become the primary focus." That would detract so much from the very essence of EVE. I hope one day that people will just stop sneering at other people's choice of gameplay. Probably too much to hope for.

Not to mention the suckers who fell for it. It's one of the cleverest, most elegant trolls I've seen in the forums.

What is this obsession with pvp? I mean, I heartily congratulate the OP on embracing Eve and for having a great time, and I enjoyed reading the story.

Personally - and I don't care what the haters will say - I'd love someone to come with a noob story and say "I got myself a covops and traversed the universe in search of adventures and riches and loved it" and for the community to respond with - awesome, glad to hear it.

People keep mentioning low player rentention and suggesting it has to do with being wardecced or that they aren't properly eased into pvp.

My view - and a personal experience - is that most people come from PVE mmos and when they encounter the visually beautiful Eve they think they are going to experience the best PVE of their gaming lifetime. After completing the training missions the biggest cry you hear is ...so what now? Well go join a gank corp and blow some ships up, is the reply. Hmmm, isn't that a little soulless? A tad dull?

What would maintain new player rentention and boost numbers is PVE - lots of it, deep lore, factions actually mean something, each player faction having unique attributes....well, I've talked about this before, the list is endless. I imagine most - and I've talked to quite a few - who abandon Eve after a few days/weeks go back to PVE-centric mmos.

I love EvE - and I love the unique aspects, including the danger of being ganked and all the pvp related stuff. don't mind it at all. Just a little tired of all those who shout - now this guy "gets it". Well I get it - but pvp does not interest me. I continue playing because eve is the most intelligent and visually stunning game around - but I only keep playing with the hope that PVE will one day become a primary focus.

But you must remember. The demographic that plays online games the most is the 12-18 year old male.

Well, the market is full with PvE titles, whose developers can't develop them fast enough to cope with the passive consumption of such PvE content. If it takes a motnh to make a dungeon and a week to minmax it, there is no way developers can keep the pace with players.

When CCP was developing EVE, they were aware that they couldn't afford to develop the game themselves, not as they wanted it. Thus they made a game that was more of a toolbox than a ride.

This way, players would generate the content consumed by other players, and it was a briliant idea.

It has worked for 10 years in a row.

But it had an Achilles heel, one which went largely unnoticed for years as things looked pretty.

That weak spot was PvE. Players couldn't generate PvE, in no way. And EVE's PvE was abysmally bad. Yet despite that, PvE was the main reason why people played EVE, and paid CCP for it.

So as EVE grew itself a fame as the game where player generated PvP was epic, the game was actually being paid because of the terrible and universally frowned upon PvE.

Until CCP attempted to expand the gameplay, fix the old engine, sort some critical isues and many more things all at once.

Incarna flopped and CCP no longer worked on PvE. Fixing the existing game -fixing the PvP- was more pressing. Not gettign new content nor the promsie for it, PvEr stopped joining the game. CCP resold the game to existing PvPr and accounts per player rose as activity stagnated.

And now... activity is going down. PvP claim that *they* are leaving the game, but let's be real: PvErs always outnumbered PvPrs.

CCP can't just start developing PvE content so it's consumed as usual. They need PvE that is generated by the players so the large playerbase they used to enjoy can come back and play EVE their way -trusting NPCS rather than risk being victmized by players. But that will have to wait until PvP is expanded in 2015... and it is uncertain how many people will be left by then, both ingame and at CCP.

Thank your for this post!
It made me feel so much younger.

It is exactly this kind of ethusiasm that makes Eve so special! Hope you will continue to have good times like this.
Most important you already learned the major point of Eve: Eve is about HOW to loose your ships and enjoy loosing it!

Fly dangerous,
Khardia

Found myself stupidly grinning as I was reading this. Well played, mate!